Feds oppose CA Prop 19 to legalize pot.

[trancelikestate]

Didn't obama promise to respect california's marijuana laws by keeping the feds off them. At the time he was referring to medical marijuana but why wouldn't this expand into legal marijuana if this is what the state wants? Personally I think state laws should override federal laws anyway, not the other way around.

[trish1997]

seriously, really,

people people know the drug before saying things that make you sound like a goofus..

Pot makes people mellow... laid back, calm... not violent not so disorientated as to drive through a building

coke--meth--crack... this are the ones to be wary of..

I do not smoke pot BUT i do see where booze causes a lot more problems for people than pot does

Edited October 31, 2010 by trish1997

[AROCES]

Make sure you read this a couple times so it sinks into your little, ignorant brain.

Yes, reading alone doesn't qualify me as a cannabis guru. But reading, research, personal experience and knowing the plant and almost everything about it just about qualifies me as one. You sir, are a very, very, very, very one-sided individual, and my guess is that you're going to go through the rest of your life being a stubborn old man, with outdated knowledge and personal views. I'm sincerely sorry for you. Look, we tried to help you learn, but sometimes you just can't fix stupid.

You can let the verbal diarrhea fall out your mouth from here on. But nobody's listening and do you know why? Because you're wrong, and we've proven you're wrong and you're not intelligent enough to admit it.

My ignorant brain?

Who's brain is in constant lala land and floating in the air???

As you can see, the marijuana effect is in your system now, you feel so good about it for you have totally forgotten how it is to be normal.

[AROCES]

seriously, really,

people people know the drug before saying things that make you sound like a goofus..

Pot makes people mellow... laid back, calm... not violent not so disorientated as to drive through a building

coke--meth--crack... this are the ones to be wary of..

I do not smoke pot BUT i do see where booze causes a lot more problems for people than pot does

I think you will have an argument with a drunk or someone who likes to drink on that.

Edited November 1, 2010 by AROCES

[MissMelsWell]

I think you will have an argument with a drunk or someone who likes to drink on that.

Actually you're wrong... people who drink know alcohol is deadly.

I swear to God I have you figured out AROCES. You're really a screaming liberal who is here trolling with the express intent of making conservatives look like idiots aren't ya? You're doing a super duper job. Keep up the good work!

[danielost]

i think its funny the same people who wants the government involved in every aspect of their lives wants the government out of the drugs.

[conspiracybeliever]

Actually you're wrong... people who drink know alcohol is deadly.

I swear to God I have you figured out AROCES. You're really a screaming liberal who is here trolling with the express intent of making conservatives look like idiots aren't ya? You're doing a super duper job. Keep up the good work!

LOL! That's what I've been thinking for a while now.

[The Caspian Hare]

Saw this story today:

Study finds alcohol more dangerous than crack and heroin

Alcohol is more dangerous than illegal drugs like heroin and crack cocaine, according to a new study.

British experts evaluated substances including alcohol, cocaine, heroin, ecstasy and marijuana, ranking them based on how destructive they are to the individual who takes them and to society as a whole.

The current classification of drugs makes no sense.

[MissMelsWell]

Saw this story today:

Study finds alcohol more dangerous than crack and heroin

The current classification of drugs makes no sense.

I read that article as well. But I've always known that. Alcohol is deadly in relatively small amounts--frighteningly so. Heroin is about the same (I think I mentioned that in a previous post actually... that the number of alcohol poisonings per year is just a hair less than the number of heroin overdoses, both being around 5000 a year... and those are only the cases that are reported ). Shocking that one is legal and one is not.

I've personally never known a marijuana addict. Nor do I know anyone who's died from marijuana use either. I know a TON of people who use it recreationally. But no one who expired from it.

And you're right, the current classifications don't make any sense which is one reason the states are getting away with trying to legalize marijuana with very little uproar from the Feds. They KNOW that marijuana isn't a schedule I narcotic and they know it does have medical uses.

Did you know that there are legal trials going on again concerning the use of LSD in clinical psychiatry settings?

LSD while potentially dangerous is a very very strange drug in that it's one of the few that instantly breaks the blood-brain barrier. There's never been a known overdose death directy related to LSD... however, people have of course died from falling or other things due to the highly powerful hallucinigenic effect, but the drug itself isn't known to have an overdose threshhold. I always found that weird. It's such a powerful hallucinigenic that I'd think twice about making something like that legal ... but it might be useful in psychiactric therapy. I guess the trials will show if it is or not.

[David Arruda]

My ignorant brain?

Who's brain is in constant lala land and floating in the air???

As you can see, the marijuana effect is in your system now, you feel so good about it for you have totally forgotten how it is to be normal.

This is David Arruda's friend Nick Kelley, and I'd just like to say you make even the dumbest "dopeys" look like Einstein. In fact I challenge you to honestly do some research before you spew random propaganda that has no scientific basis behind it. You sir, are ignorant plain and simple. You can't see beyond your own beliefs even when there's proof that you're wrong which makes your opinion biased and useless. Congratulations you managed to be useless on an internet forum.

[AROCES]

Actually you're wrong... people who drink know alcohol is deadly.

I swear to God I have you figured out AROCES. You're really a screaming liberal who is here trolling with the express intent of making conservatives look like idiots aren't ya? You're doing a super duper job. Keep up the good work!

Hallucination

It's one effect of dope.

[AROCES]

This is David Arruda's friend Nick Kelley, and I'd just like to say you make even the dumbest "dopeys" look like Einstein. In fact I challenge you to honestly do some research before you spew random propaganda that has no scientific basis behind it. You sir, are ignorant plain and simple. You can't see beyond your own beliefs even when there's proof that you're wrong which makes your opinion biased and useless. Congratulations you managed to be useless on an internet forum.

What happened, Daivd out of words and needed help?

Smoke dope, get high and claim it is scientific blah blah blah. LOL

[danielost]

I read that article as well. But I've always known that. Alcohol is deadly in relatively small amounts--frighteningly so. Heroin is about the same (I think I mentioned that in a previous post actually... that the number of alcohol poisonings per year is just a hair less than the number of heroin overdoses, both being around 5000 a year... and those are only the cases that are reported ). Shocking that one is legal and one is not.

I've personally never known a marijuana addict. Nor do I know anyone who's died from marijuana use either. I know a TON of people who use it recreationally. But no one who expired from it.

And you're right, the current classifications don't make any sense which is one reason the states are getting away with trying to legalize marijuana with very little uproar from the Feds. They KNOW that marijuana isn't a schedule I narcotic and they know it does have medical uses.

Did you know that there are legal trials going on again concerning the use of LSD in clinical psychiatry settings?

LSD while potentially dangerous is a very very strange drug in that it's one of the few that instantly breaks the blood-brain barrier. There's never been a known overdose death directy related to LSD... however, people have of course died from falling or other things due to the highly powerful hallucinigenic effect, but the drug itself isn't known to have an overdose threshhold. I always found that weird. It's such a powerful hallucinigenic that I'd think twice about making something like that legal ... but it might be useful in psychiactric therapy. I guess the trials will show if it is or not.

i agree make em both illegal.

[fireIIC]

Good lord, have you ever even smoked marijuana? You obviously haven't because you have no idea what you are talking about. So shut up and act more educated than 5th grader.

[danielost]

Good lord, have you ever even smoked marijuana? You obviously haven't because you have no idea what you are talking about. So shut up and act more educated than 5th grader.

you dont have to smoke something in order to be around it and see that it is bad.

[AROCES]

i think its funny the same people who wants the government involved in every aspect of their lives wants the government out of the drugs.

Oh no, Socialized dope will be next.

It's all a set up.

[+DieChecker]

Agreed. I've seen the effects on high schoolers. The ones I've seen went from A to B students to dropping out in just a couple months. I understand that we are putting children aside as such a law would not include them. But, the same effect can be seen in adults. They get mellow and enjoy it, then if they have any addictiveness in their personality, they will overuse it and slowly but surely ruin, or at least fail to improve, their live. Relationships will suffer with non-users. Job performance will suffer. Ect...

The issue, as was said above, is education and moderation. The problem being that something well over 50% of Americans have little to no self control. As evidenced by the number of alcholics, gambling addicts, drug addicts, shopping addicts and sex (porn) addicts. If people could just smoke a little pot and be happy with it, that might be fine. But modern man is not wired for moderation. Even in a severe recession, we keep buying, buying, buying... just all kinds of crap. Americans did not cut up their credit cards, they got their limits raised and then complained so the Gov would help lower the interest rates.

I think if pot was legal the percentage of users, say... in California would not just double, or triple, but would be at least ten times as many. Why not? If it was legal, wouldn't not just 1 in 3 high schoolers try it, but every single one? The number of card carrying pot smokers in Oregon is around 33,000 in a state of 3.8 million, or about 1% of the population. If pot was legal how many do you think would openly use it? 5%, 10%, 30%? Wouldn't the effect be similar to when a young person turns 21 and is able to buy liquor? Studies show that this is the most dangerous part of a young persons life due in part to alcohol overuse. Wouldn't pot be similarly overused, if it was legal. These are just questions that I think should be genuinely considered before enacting such a law.

Here is an interesting article. And it has a Quiz on how much do you know about marijuana.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Election-2010/Tea-Party-Tally/2010/1101/Marijuana-legalization-why-tea-party-might-support-Prop.-19

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2010/1015/Obama-adminstration-Eric-Holder-will-not-stand-idly-by-if-Calif.-voters-legalize-marijuana

Maybe the Californias can get the same Federal Judge that found in favor of gay marriage and put the end to "Don't Ask Don't Tell", to Federally rule that Pot is OK? That might seal that fellows name into the all time Liberal hall of Fame.

[The Caspian Hare]

i agree make em both illegal.

You want to return to prohibition?

[grither]

Oh no, Socialized dope will be next.

It's all a set up.

You are one of the most ignorant, idiotic people I've ever seen, on and off the internet. Congratulations on your stupidity and ignorance. Would you like a medal Aroces? You know nothing about pot or anything else.

[David Arruda]

My ignorant brain?

Who's brain is in constant lala land and floating in the air???

As you can see, the marijuana effect is in your system now, you feel so good about it for you have totally forgotten how it is to be normal.

I think your brain "is in constant lala land and floating in the air"... WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR HERB?!

On a serious note, I've never been so baked that I was as delusional as you.

Hallucination

It's one effect of dope.

HAH, that's so wrong that I'm not even gonna spell it out for you.

What happened, Daivd out of words and needed help?

Smoke dope, get high and claim it is scientific blah blah blah. LOL

Actually, I invited friend Nick over to smoke some dastardly dope and recreate Reefer Madness. Naw, not really, I left this thread open and he didn't think it was right to let your ignoramus ass run rampant on the internet without being shown up either.

Cmon guy, I will prove you wrong every time.

Edited November 2, 2010 by David Arruda

[MissMelsWell]

i agree make em both illegal.

Surely you studied the social and criminal effects of prohibition right? That doesn't work. It's a nice thought with honorable motives, but it's already proven to have been a collassal failure to prohibit alcohol. It's also been a collassal failure keeping marijuana illegal. That's simply a fact. No way around it.

I took that quiz... I did well with the facts, but did less well on their statistics, which are always suspect to put in a quiz. When you start getting into the numbers of people who smoke pot in countries, or how many kids have tried it, you start getting into a fairly subjective area and it's less about facts, and more about polls. i've always hated quizes with questions like that. But, when it came to facts, I aced it.

i think it's interesting that the Christian science monitor seems to think 81% of people in the USA support legalization... i think that's high (no pun intended) I think the real number is probably just over half, possibly even less.

[rashore]

Oh no, Socialized dope will be next.

It's all a set up.

Yep. Evil folks for cannabis

You make me giggle sometimes Aroces. Not sure why you seem so sure that anyone that presents a positive view on cannabis has to be a recreational dope waste of life, but boy, you sure do seem to think that wholeheartedly. Or at least that's how I'm taking it.

Please, give us your sources for the negative view you seem to champion. People have given information showing non-negative or ambiguous information to support their arguments. Please give us the data showing your point of view. It could help us figure out this unexplained mystery

Socialized dope, not sure how to take that. Could you expand on that concept please?

[The Silver Thong]

Yep. Evil folks for cannabis

You make me giggle sometimes Aroces. Not sure why you seem so sure that anyone that presents a positive view on cannabis has to be a recreational dope waste of life, but boy, you sure do seem to think that wholeheartedly. Or at least that's how I'm taking it.

Please, give us your sources for the negative view you seem to champion. People have given information showing non-negative or ambiguous information to support their arguments. Please give us the data showing your point of view. It could help us figure out this unexplained mystery

Socialized dope, not sure how to take that. Could you expand on that concept please?

Oh crap you had to ask him. He's going to go on a rant about universal health care now and say it's a commie thing. His view is not his view it is a view that is told to him with out any personal experience nor education on the topic he refuses to read. It's pointless.

[AROCES]

You are one of the most ignorant, idiotic people I've ever seen, on and off the internet. Congratulations on your stupidity and ignorance. Would you like a medal Aroces? You know nothing about pot or anything else.

You think it bothers me what dope heads think of me?

[fireIIC]

If pot became legal more people wouldn't try it because anyone who wants to smoke can smoke easily. Legalizing would just make it legal, that's it.