Feds oppose CA Prop 19 to legalize pot.

[zenfahr]

I was not trying to make any type of comment on the Dupont legend.

I was trying to make the point that hemp and pot are different, yet they are still yoked together in the fight. And that a large portion of our nation either already has pro hemp and/or pot legislation on the state books, or are considering such legislation.

Being yoked together as they are, I'm not sure why there is so much fuss over pot and hemps fight is pretty much unremarked upon.

Everyone is all, OMG prop 19... anyone hear of HR 314? It's from Michigan. HR 314 is a resolution that asks the federal government to distinguish the difference between industrial hemp and marijuana. BTW, HR 1866 is what the federal government has going on about hemp.

Or HB 6480? That would create a law allowing farmers to be licensed by the state of Michigan to grow and process Industrial Hemp without having to get the permit required by the DEA.

Washington has HB 1177 ... Oregon folks are working on OCTA 2012 at this time... I guess the argument will start all over again in a couple years... New Hampshire is mulling HB 1652

It seems the Dupont Legend is not really a legend at all. It is one of many reasons the drug was made illegal. I did a bit of research to find out what actually led to the criminalization of the drug. I think you might like to check out this site. It explains many of the reasons the plant was outlawed.

[questionmark]

It seems the Dupont Legend is not really a legend at all. It is one of many reasons the drug was made illegal. I did a bit of research to find out what actually led to the criminalization of the drug. I think you might like to check out this site. It explains many of the reasons the plant was outlawed.

Hemp cultivation was never outlawed, as long as it was harvested before it blooms. You can use the hemp to make textiles and ropes at that point but it contains no THC. That is why the Nylon-Dupont connection is a legend.

It seems the Dupont Legend is not really a legend at all. It is one of many reasons the drug was made illegal. I did a bit of research to find out what actually led to the criminalization of the drug. I think you might like to check out this site. It explains many of the reasons the plant was outlawed.

Hemp cultivation was never outlawed, as long as it was harvested before it blooms. You can use the hemp to make textiles and ropes at that point but it contains no THC. That is why the Nylon-Dupont connection is a legend.

[AROCES]

I know that reactionaries think I am a marxist... but I am not.

See, conservative= want to conserve the good

reactionary = wants to go back to a time past.

Until you come up with something better.

Liberals though wants change regardless of outcome, just what feels good.

Education is a perfect example, every year Billions more are needed to keep fixing it.

And yet the Libs keeps insisting their system, Those responsible for it's failures were given better pay and retirement thinking this time they will do better with better pay.

Go figure.

Edited October 22, 2010 by AROCES

[Agent X]

And conservatives are always resistant to change especially from those godless liberal atheistic bastiches.

[questionmark]

And conservatives are always resistant to change especially from those godless liberal atheistic bastiches.

Not quite, conservatives (and I can say that from myself) always prefer the known evil over the good to come. Reactionaries want to go back to yesterday's known evil to avoid today's known evil.

[AROCES]

Not quite, conservatives (and I can say that from myself) always prefer the known evil over the good to come. Reactionaries want to go back to yesterday's known evil to avoid today's known evil.

Liberalism/Socialism are not good to come, but a failure that some like yourself will forever promote.

Talk about yesterday's failure, or evil?

Edited October 22, 2010 by AROCES

[preacherman76]

Personaly, I think people should be free. If smoking pot makes people happy, so be it. Who the hell is this federal government to tell people what they can and cant put in thier body.

[rashore]

Hemp cultivation was never outlawed, as long as it was harvested before it blooms. You can use the hemp to make textiles and ropes at that point but it contains no THC. That is why the Nylon-Dupont connection is a legend.

Hemp cultivation was never outlawed, as long as it was harvested before it blooms. You can use the hemp to make textiles and ropes at that point but it contains no THC. That is why the Nylon-Dupont connection is a legend.

That's not entirely accurate. Hemp cultivation was pretty much outlawed when the feds clumped it together with the rest of the cannabis family under the controlled substance act.

Only by special allowance from the feds in combination with some states laws is there currently any hemp cultivation or testing. It's only been in the last decade or so that the feds have started to separate hemp from other cannabis types again by way of the Industrial Hemp Farming Act. A farmer growing an acre of hemp in a state with no allowance of hemp cultivation and without special permission from the DEA will still get nailed just as much as growing an acre of high THC cannabis, even if the plants are not even starting to bloom yet. Hemp does indeed contain very low levels of THC (less than 1%, "pot" runs 3-10%+). That's the main reason it's treated the way it is by the feds and state governments. They want to make sure the THC levels are as low as they are supposed to be. Even all hemp goods imported are inspected to make sure they have no trace amounts of THC left in them.

And the Dupont legend. I don't think it is entirely legend, nor do I think it is the major factor that some cannabis history makes it out to be. I would not be surprised to find that the politicians and big money men were as snug in each others pockets then as they seem to be now. But there was much more going on than just a guy wanting the government contract on rope.

There were a lot of social fears too. One of more Anslingers more famous quotes is "There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others." A sad but accurate reflection of the social climate at the time.

And don't forget that alcohol prohibition was lifted just a few years before... What to do with all those LEO positions and agencies created during prohibition? Just send them home? Nope, keep them at their task, just give them something new to go after. Shoot, if people could use corn smut they way they use pot.. It might be that today our fields would be filled with hemp, and corn a controlled substance

There were a lot of factors that made cannabis a no no back then... Just like there are a lot of factors that are making it more of a yes today.

[danielost]

Miss that is kinda scary! I never even thought of doing something like that!

then i guess you never thought of drinking mouthwash. by the way the last time i had a beer i was 3 years old.

[zenfahr]

Dang Daniel three years old?!! wow. No I never thought of using mouthwash either. My friends and I were more into soccer or basketball than anything else.

Sad you had a beer at that age, did someone feed it to you, or did you just walk in and find it on the table?

[danielost]

Dang Daniel three years old?!! wow. No I never thought of using mouthwash either. My friends and I were more into soccer or basketball than anything else.

Sad you had a beer at that age, did someone feed it to you, or did you just walk in and find it on the table?

yes step dad, i dont remember how many times when he was around. i just remember getting sick and putting my face in it afterwords.

[zenfahr]

That Sucks Daniel.

[fireIIC]

Is this really degenerating into a bash fest? Let's stick to the facts.

Marijuana doesn't kill.

The laws surrounding the drug are more harmful than the drug itself.

People make their own decisions. We are not mindless victims of circumstance.

I know many whole families that smoke cannabis. They are responsible tax paying citizens who believe in their government. They feed, protect, and love their children. You wouldn't even know that they smoke. I have seen pot increase the quality of life in many individuals.

Most of the responses are uneducated ignorant reponses. Things don't ruin your life. YOU ruin YOUR OWN life. Get it through your head that we are responsible for our own actions. People nowadays don't want to take blame for their own actions. We would just rather blame something else. It wasn't our fault!

Get over yourselves...

Edited October 23, 2010 by fireIIC

[lightly]

Does alcohol addiction or tobacco makes you go to more potent drugs?

Yes. I think they do. What percentage of Heroin , Cocaine/Crack , or Meth (all of which can kill you instantly) addicts first drug use was smoking cigarettes and or, drinking alcohol? What percentage of people first tried dangerous addictive drugs while they were judgement impaired / Drunk? Alcohol is a "potent" substance.

[questionmark]

Alcohol is a "potent" substance.

Alcohol is an addictive drug. So is nicotine. That is not a potent substance.

[lightly]

Alcohol is an addictive drug. So is nicotine. That is not a potent substance.

true and true... but,, alcohol is not a potent substance? ... take another BIG drink... how about now?

AROCES, on 19 October 2010 - 11:32 AM, said:

Does alcohol addiction or tobacco makes you go to more potent drugs?

[MissMelsWell]

Alcohol is one of the most deadly drugs on the market. Any idea how many people die from bing drinking ever year? It's a lot. I'm not talking long-time alcoholics who destroy their livers, but people who go out one night and die from alcohol overdose? That number is thought to be around 5000. How many from pot? Oh that would be NONE. The number of people who die from heroin overdose every year is somewhere around 6000. Cocaine overdoses are somewhere in the same numbers as alcohol and heroin.

I dunno, no one dies of marijuana overdose, it's not even possible, so I'm not too worried about it. Legalize it.

Oh, and smoking pot leads ot harder drugs? I disagree actually... now alcohol might do that since people who drink too much tend to find themselves doing things they would normally not do. Pot, pfft, you just don't lose that much control over your judgement the way you do with alcohol.

[Miranda_310]

Sometimes I wish a giant sinkhole would open under DC and swallow it all. The politicians, FBI, CIA, Pentagon.

I couldnt agree more!!!!!

[AROCES]

Personaly, I think people should be free. If smoking pot makes people happy, so be it. Who the hell is this federal government to tell people what they can and cant put in thier body.

Sure, will you sign a promissory note as well that you won't seek government aid or entitlements of any kind?

[AROCES]

Yes. I think they do. What percentage of Heroin , Cocaine/Crack , or Meth (all of which can kill you instantly) addicts first drug use was smoking cigarettes and or, drinking alcohol? What percentage of people first tried dangerous addictive drugs while they were judgement impaired / Drunk? Alcohol is a "potent" substance.

First I ever heard of that then.

Let me guess, you want marijuana to be cheap and available as well.

[AROCES]

Alcohol is one of the most deadly drugs on the market. Any idea how many people die from bing drinking ever year? It's a lot. I'm not talking long-time alcoholics who destroy their livers, but people who go out one night and die from alcohol overdose? That number is thought to be around 5000. How many from pot? Oh that would be NONE. The number of people who die from heroin overdose every year is somewhere around 6000. Cocaine overdoses are somewhere in the same numbers as alcohol and heroin.

I dunno, no one dies of marijuana overdose, it's not even possible, so I'm not too worried about it. Legalize it.

Oh, and smoking pot leads ot harder drugs? I disagree actually... now alcohol might do that since people who drink too much tend to find themselves doing things they would normally not do. Pot, pfft, you just don't lose that much control over your judgement the way you do with alcohol.

An Alcoholic will disagree with you and defend alcohol the way you defend your dope.

[conspiracybeliever]

An Alcoholic will disagree with you and defend alcohol the way you defend your dope.

You mean the way people like you defend prescription drugs? People who "have a prescription" so it's not really getting high is it?

[venqax]

You mean the way people like you defend prescription drugs? People who "have a prescription" so it's not really getting high is it?

The problem is with prescription drugs that people don't have prescriptions for. That's very different. Are you saying people shouldn't get rx drugs because they, too, can be abused?

[conspiracybeliever]

The problem is with prescription drugs that people don't have prescriptions for. That's very different. Are you saying people shouldn't get rx drugs because they, too, can be abused?

I'm saying doctors shouldn't be getting paid to push drugs. They shouldn't be getting paid by these big drug companies to prescribe their drugs. It's not just people who don't have prescriptions. Doctors are getting a commission from the drug companies. They are getting a percentage of what they "sell".

[+DieChecker]

Oh, and smoking pot leads ot harder drugs? I disagree actually... now alcohol might do that since people who drink too much tend to find themselves doing things they would normally not do. Pot, pfft, you just don't lose that much control over your judgement the way you do with alcohol.

You are probably right. It is not pot that leads to harder drugs. It is the A-hole friends that these idiots are hanging out with that are leading to harder drugs. Probably the same people who got them to try pot. When your "friend" has a profit motive that leads to harder drugs. The pot itself is just the bait on the hook for the total idiot A-hole friends of otherwise, just stupid, recreational pot users.