The Gods were actually Aliens?

[questionmark]

Yes. But was Adam alien or human?

If you read Genesis - this sounds a little crazy- But god creating man and then creating woman sounds a hell of a lot like engineering.

Look at genesis in a literal sense - apply a logic to it and stop reading it like its farfetched myth. Is it possible that adam and eve were engineered by God? and by god i mean extra terrestrials.

Random thought - Genesis - Gene - genes - gene - isis?

To start with the Genesis has not been named after genes but is the Greek word for origin, or where all comes from. It got that name when the Torah was translated into Greek from the first word in it: בְּרֵאשִׁית meaning "In the beginning"

Now, we have a perfectly explainable alternative to anybody creating anything called science, where the origins of all until the "creation" of the universe are perfectly described without the need of any brain m********ion.

[The Puzzler]

I visit the ant hill in my backyard. Should those ants be able to travel to the moon?

That's a pretty extreme comparison so no, I wouldn't expect so, but humans are not ants.

[The Silver Thong]

Good point! Lol but man that line might open a floodgate of adherents that will misinterpret your logical conclusion for their own means.

[Harte]

We have been told that the cradle of civilisation lay in the great city of Babylon.

Now i think it is of great interest to look into the beliefs of the babylonians and the closely related sumerians. Believe it or not, the Babylonians had their own Bible so to speak worshipping the Great Triad: Anu,Ea and Enlil. These 'Gods' are said to have descended from Heaven and traversed to and from it. They were said to have come from another world.

Actually, no, they are not "said to" have done any such thing, nor were they "said to have" come from another world. Not by the Sumerians or Babylonians, anyway.

The only people that say this are fringe writers out to make a buck. If you don't mind giving it to them, then why not send me some money as well?

Some of these 'gods' did fornicate with human women, creating a new race, the 'annunaki' who were born with pale skin, blue eyes and light hair.

You have now deviated completely from any ancient Mesopotamian myth or religious belief. Hence, at this point you are making this up.

Grouchily yours,

Harte

[Agent. Mulder]

That's a pretty extreme comparison so no, I wouldn't expect so, but humans are not ants.

Its a perfect one. B

But, if you think primitive humans equate to ET entities capable of travelling the cosmos to reach isnt too extreme, than thats ok.

Were ants to them though. Pretty sound statement.

[FurthurBB]

Yes. But was Adam alien or human?

If you read Genesis - this sounds a little crazy- But god creating man and then creating woman sounds a hell of a lot like engineering.

Look at genesis in a literal sense - apply a logic to it and stop reading it like its farfetched myth. Is it possible that adam and eve were engineered by God? and by god i mean extra terrestrials.

Random thought - Genesis - Gene - genes - gene - isis?

That is not possible because then you run into the same problem with not enough genes to support any decent sized civilization.

[Qoais]

Wouldn't god be alien to us no matter what?

Why? If he's our father, as the Bible says how would he be alien except of course if you figure he's maybe lived by himself for so long he's morphed into something we wouldn't recognize!!! Evolved that is - into something else and here we'd be, all these millions of years later, stunned that we have only .00000001% of his DNA. You know what I'm sayin' don't you Cormac!!! It's just a little dig. So I guess if we believe the Bible, we'd recognize him, and if we believe in evolution, we wouldn't :D At least if you're an evolutionist that believes in God for starters.

On the other hand, I have a daughter that's pretty alien to me. I just can't figure her out no matter how hard I try.

[cormac mac airt]

Why? If he's our father, as the Bible says how would he be alien except of course if you figure he's maybe lived by himself for so long he's morphed into something we wouldn't recognize!!! Evolved that is - into something else and here we'd be, all these millions of years later, stunned that we have only .00000001% of his DNA. You know what I'm sayin' don't you Cormac!!! It's just a little dig. So I guess if we believe the Bible, we'd recognize him, and if we believe in evolution, we wouldn't :D At least if you're an evolutionist that believes in God for starters.

On the other hand, I have a daughter that's pretty alien to me. I just can't figure her out no matter how hard I try.

That's assuming a supernatural entity, by whatever name, would even have DNA.

On a side note: Children and grandchildren are always alien.

cormac

[SolarPlexus]

The 'gods' are inter-dimensional rather than inter-stellar ...

Edited October 22, 2010 by SolarPlexus

[SlimJim22]

It is the world that we have created that has become quite alien imo.

I'm thinking of getting Sykes' Seven Daughters of Eve. Can you recommend any good articles that are not too complex and ideally looks at it from an anthropoligical point of view?

I know there was probably a lot more clanmothers than the original seven and these are the ancestors of Europe, right? Well what does this say? I don't know all the facts and hope you will enlighten me on some but is the evidence for a matriarchal society. Is the evidence saying that the mother was the centre of the tribe rather than a world where one man has many wives? Maybe he did in some cases but it could be that the mother was the head regardless.

Though the argument that these women were genetically engineered by Enki and Ninkharsag is intriguing we do not need this myth from the sumerians to be read out of context. We have a mother goddess and a trickster character as well as the god of water. Surely we can reason that cults grew up around specific gods and goddesses over the course of civilization. Us human generally adopt deities that are reflective of noble virtues and skills we discover within ourselves. It makes perfect sense that this reflective aspect generates more energy and motivation for the people and why great feats are achievable.

Without the need for aliens aswell. Only thing is that that theoretically if stare into the void long enough something will begin to stare back and begin to control the people. I suspect this could be what happened in babylon when you had people sacrificed to Moloch. Aswell as the alleged sacrifices in Carthage. Don't know what archeological evidence there is to support either but we know sacrifices did happen. It is just one explanation for the evil that men do. The other is that we were made in jars by aliens and set amongst less advanced hominids to battle it out and we're still battling. No doubt you have another more sensible opinion.

[Abramelin]

The 'gods' are inter-dimensional rather than inter-stellar ...

The gods were human representations of the forces of nature.

[questionmark]

The gods were human representations of the forces of nature.

[SolarPlexus]

The gods were human representations of the forces of nature.

So i guess you didnt read Herodotus ...

[questionmark]

So i guess you didnt read Herodotus ...

Like he knew any better.... but here is some food for thought, Yahwe started as measly weather god before being THE GOD of the Jews... and through history of the Christians.

[crystal sage]

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Sitchins Presentation

My talk, ably translated by my Italian editor Tuvia Fogel, included a slide presentation that added a pictorial dimension to the evidence from ancient times in support of Sumerian texts, on which my eight books based the following conclusions:

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We are not alone -- not just in the vast universe, but in our own solar system; There is one more planet in our solar system, orbiting beyond Pluto but nearing Earth periodically; Advanced "Extraterrestrials -- the Sumerians called them Anunnaki, the Bible Nefilim -- started to visit our planet some 450,000 years ago; And, some 300,000 years ago, they engaged in genetic engineering to upgrade Earth's hominids and fashion Homo sapiens, the Adam. In that, they acted as Emissaries for the Universal Creator -- God.

The Dialogue

"We have much to talk about, Msgr. Balducci said to me as he came forward to congratulate me on my presentation; "I have great esteem for your scholarship," he said.

We returned to the hotel for lunch. Our table was surrounded in a semi-circle by my American fans, intent on not missing a word of the forthcoming dialogue. In the hours-long session, Msgr. Balducci outlined the positions he was going to state, from a prepared text, in his talk the next day. While my approach was based on physical evidence, his was a purely Roman Catholic theological-philosophical one, seeking the spiritual aspects. Yet, our conclusions converged.

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Monsignor Balducci is a member of a group which acts as consultants to the Vatican on various matters concerning humans and spirit or demonic contact. As such, the matter of Star Visitor encounters could have fallen within their purview. Thus it is significant that he instead makes careful distinctions, separating Star Visitor contacts from demonic possession. Indeed he suggests that they are probably more evolved and more spiritual than humankind. Balducci even notes the spiritual significance of the emerging general realization of contact by the Star Visitors.

Parallel information from U.S. National Security Council scientist Dr. Michael Wolf , (a member of the NSCs Special Studies Group tasked with managing the UFO phenomenon), as well as from noted author and Vatican expert Father Malachi Martin, suggests that the Vatican is concerned that it will have a major doctrinal updating situation on its hands when Star Visitors contact becomes authoritatively announced by world governments over the next several years.

Parenthetically, it can be observed that this Vatican insiders declarations on Italian national television represent technically the first declaration by a tacit representative of a Major Power government, even if "speaking as an individual", that Star Visitors contact is real and happening, and deserves serious study.

Vatican Astronomer Says Star Visitors' Existence Confirmed in the Bible

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It appears that the Vatican (Catholic Church) is accelerating its Public Acclimation Program to assure its faithful, and anyone else who will listen, that Star Visitors are real, are in the Bible, and are children of God, too.

First the Vatican "let" Monsignor Corrado Balducci go on Italian national television five times to proclaim that the encounters people are having with Star Visitors are real, not a delusion, and not a case of demon possession. Further, that these Star Visitors appear to be more advanced, intellectually and spiritually, than Humans.

Now (April, 2006) another Vatican-sanctioned spokesperson, a Harvard and MIT-trained Ph.D, Jesuit Brother Guy Consolmagno, an expert astronomer at the Vatican Observatory atop Mount Graham, Arizona, has spoken up.

In the current (April, 2006) edition of Harper's Magazine, Consolmagno writes, "There are, unquestionably, nonhuman intelligent beings in the Bible", and gives numerous citations. He also quotes Jesus as saying, "I have other sheep that do not belong to this fold."

Perhaps the Vatican astronomer's boldest statement is, "And perhaps it's not so far-fetched to see the Second Person of the Trinity not only as the Son of Man but also as a Child of other races ."

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! Balducci provided an analysis of the Star Visitors which he feels is consistent with the Catholic Church's understanding of theology. Monsignor Balducci emphasizes that encounters with the Star Visitors: "1) are NOT demonic, 2) they are NOT due to psychological impairment, 3) they are NOT a case of entity attachment, but 4) these encounters deserve to be studied carefully."«

Edited October 22, 2010 by crystal sage

[crystal sage]

U.F.O DISCLOSURE PROJECT -FULL VERSION

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

A large number of ex high ranking officals including air traffic controllers, ex secret op. officers, commercial pilots, numorous military defence specialists with top secret clearance, people who had access to very sensitive documents

lieutenants, ex commanders in the u.s airforce,

astronauts,etc...

all going before the national press club to discuss what their experiences have been regarding u.f.o's and all are willing to go before congress to testify under oath.. never before has such a group come forward..

this is a must see it is long.. extremely informative and enlightening.

This video was uploaded by centralelements.com

[cormac mac airt]

I know there was probably a lot more clanmothers than the original seven and these are the ancestors of Europe, right?

Sykes seven 'clan mothers' are only some of the more recent heads of the various mtDNA haplogroups which total some 30+ at present. His 7 clan heads are only some of those who are ancestral to Eurasia. And to add to this that NONE of this is evidence for a matriarchal society. These are maternal genetic (via mtDNA) lineages only, and therefore out of necessity do not address the paternal lineages of these self-same clan mothers. Y Chromosomal haplogroups work in much the same way.

cormac

[cormac mac airt]

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Space....the final frontier....these are the voyages OF A THOUGHT....

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And Sitchin is STILL wrong.

cormac

[enlightened_one]

I dont know,

obviously im not a professor or part-time researcher studying all these things.

I mean of course its hard not to be sceptical of aliens once walking here.

But what is up with the Pleiades? Nearly every culture or religion on earth refers to it. Why do the city of teotihucan and the pyrmaids at giza line up with this constellation. Some people say its something to do with equinox's, but im not entirely convinced.

And im not going to completely debunk the theory of ancient aliens either. Has anyone seen Madonna and child by Fontana who was a disciple of Da Vinci?

here's the link - http://www.sprezzatura.it/Arte/Arte_UFO_5_eng.htm

and here's some other interesting pieces on this sight http://lithiumdreamer.tripod.com/ufoart.html

I know this is art but we cant dismiss it.

~Enlightened One~

Edited October 23, 2010 by enlightened_one

[Aus Der Box Skeptisch]

You don't have to debunk it. Keep it in your thoughts, and use it for relevance if the evidence ever surfaces.

I like the thought of aliens. But there are a lot of things I like and don't like. It's categorizing the facts into an intelligible theory that separates wants and likes from facts. And you don't have to worry about how smart you are or how your research may be in it's infancy. You made it here. And ill attest it is honing my skills as we speak. As will yours.

Just glad to have a new member here on UM.

[enlightened_one]

You don't have to debunk it. Keep it in your thoughts, and use it for relevance if the evidence ever surfaces.

I like the thought of aliens. But there are a lot of things I like and don't like. It's categorizing the facts into an intelligible theory that separates wants and likes from facts. And you don't have to worry about how smart you are or how your research may be in it's infancy. You made it here. And ill attest it is honing my skills as we speak. As will yours.

Just glad to have a new member here on UM.

Thanks

[saucy]

I believe it's actually the other way around...the aliens were actually angels and demons and the host of heaven. Just my belief though.

[Harte]

Has anyone seen Madonna and child by Fontana who was a disciple of Da Vinci?

here's the link - http://www.sprezzatura.it/Arte/Arte_UFO_5_eng.htm

and here's some other interesting pieces on this sight http://lithiumdreamer.tripod.com/ufoart.html

I know this is art but we cant dismiss it.

That's pretty funny really, given that the link you posted does exactly that. Dismisses it with a perfectly reasonable and completely well-established explanation of what you see in the painting, along with a dozen or more other paintings showing similar religious iconography.

But, looks like you just like to look at the purty pictures.

Harte

[SolarPlexus]

But what is up with the Pleiades? Nearly every culture or religion on earth refers to it. Why do the city of teotihucan and the pyramids at giza line up with this constellation

Dont you mean Orion's belt?

Orion correlation theory

Edited October 23, 2010 by SolarPlexus

[Aus Der Box Skeptisch]

I can't remember the name so if noone else remembers ill go search it out. But there is another constellation that has recently been discussed other than orion. Supposedly matches up even better. I am not sure about this though as far as a theory. is there another possible reason for placement other than constellations? Just curious. I do understand they likely would have used stars for direction. Just not sure if it has to match up with a constellation.