Armistice Day: protesters burn poppy

[itsnotoutthere]

Maybe you shouldn't listen to what "they" say from now on.

Perhaps you're right, i should stop watching the news,.

[Shanks91]

I wonder if they relised when they brought all thoses poppy's that all the money went to the British legion, Hahaha Brits get the last laugh idiots.

[RamblingRebel]

The religion of peace...you gotta love em eh!

AKUMA Why is the EDL on that terrorist list you got? What atrocities have they ever commited?

[maca02]

America are great at the whole terrorism malarkey. I think the people that happened to be muslim and terrorists get a bit jealous.

yeah and the provos & loyalists no doubt

[Cradle of Fish]

Its nota symbol its the dead your respecting the dead for the 2 minute silence or by wearing a rose. this is about all the wars not just iraq

Are we talking all the wars in Britains history, or all the wars since WW1? Because either way they've all just been imperialistic BS with the sole exception of World War Two.

[maca02]

Are we talking all the wars in Britains history, or all the wars since WW1? Because either way they've all just been imperialistic BS with the sole exception of World War Two.

fish,NO, the poppy is worn to remember the fallen, please google poppy appeal, you may get a grasp of

what rememberence day is about, better yet go and ask an ANZAC hero, what its all about,

but please dont try and score cheap political points.

[itsnotoutthere]

The religion of peace...you gotta love em eh!

AKUMA Why is the EDL on that terrorist list you got? What atrocities have they ever commited?

Yes that kinda confused me as well, but if that's his logic then perhaps he should've added the UAF, UNITE,& The Socialist workers party too

[StoneAgeQueen]

yeah and the provos & loyalists no doubt

Yeah you got that right. So much for the peace process eh? Thanks Mr Blair for letting them all out of prison! :angry2:

[ploppy]

yeah and the provos & loyalists no doubt

Even though all killing and terrorism is wrong, I have to say that personally I have a ranking list. And UK terrorists like IRA ect are right there at the top of the worst, scummiest, most pointless gobsheens.

[RamblingRebel]

...And UK terrorists like IRA ect are right there at the top of the worst...

You sure you're from Irelandé?

[Space Commander Travis]

You sure you're from Irelandé?

What? If one comes from ireland one has to support murderer freedom fighters, do they?

Edited November 13, 2010 by 747400

[Space Commander Travis]

Are we talking all the wars in Britains history, or all the wars since WW1? Because either way they've all just been imperialistic BS with the sole exception of World War Two.

yes, and of course, all those who were killed all joined up willingly to promote the cause of imperialistic BS, didn't they? That's the point, see, which I was saying earlier about how these protestors are missing the point; it commemorates those who were killed in these wars, many of whom did not go out of sheer enthusiasm to promote the imperialstic project, not glorifying the wars themselves or the politicians who were responsible for them.

[ploppy]

You sure you're from Irelandé?

Huh, I'm from Ireland. The IRA are from Northern Ireland, a state of the Unite Kingdom.

We're different countries for god sake, they're nothing to do with Ireland/Republic!!

[Shanks91]

Even though all killing and terrorism is wrong, I have to say that personally I have a ranking list. And UK terrorists like IRA ect are right there at the top of the worst, scummiest, most pointless gobsheens.

Well said mate, the IRA don't evn have a potical cause anymore basically a Bigot anti-British society of laughable losers, there just murders plain and simple its insulting to terroist to call them terroists, theres only 300 IRA members left whitch shows you they are on the verge on anilation, so whats the point in anyone in Ireland supporting them, and also they've lost the other whelming support of the Northern Irish people, there finished Thank God.

[StoneAgeQueen]

Even though all killing and terrorism is wrong, I have to say that personally I have a ranking list. And UK terrorists like IRA ect are right there at the top of the worst, scummiest, most pointless gobsheens.

Absolutely. They blew up my friend and his family when he was four years old. They had just got home from a family holiday in Disneyland. My family was greatly affected in other ways by them too which I won't discuss here. They ruined my childhood basically. Nobody supports them here any more. Even at the height of the troubles they were only supported by jobless thugs living in council estates looking for a cause to believe in. They killed more Catholics than the loyalist paramilitaries put together, who are also scum in case anyone doesn't know.

[StoneAgeQueen]

Huh, I'm from Ireland. The IRA are from Northern Ireland, a state of the Unite Kingdom.

We're different countries for god sake, they're nothing to do with Ireland/Republic!!

It's ridiculous the amount of times I've had to explain that to people.

[RamblingRebel]

The IRA are from Northern Ireland are they? You're saying Micheal Collins was British? Why do I keep reading in my local paper here in the Republic that they are arresting people with arms stashes/bomb making equipment just down the road? The problem is on both sides of the border! You can't blame these eegits just on the British!

[StoneAgeQueen]

The IRA are from Northern Ireland are they? You're saying Micheal Collins was British? Why do I keep reading in my local paper here in the Republic that they are arresting people with arms stashes/bomb making equipment just down the road? The problem is on both sides of the border! You can't blame these eegits just on the British!

Yeah that's true they are active around the border areas too

There are so little of them left, I wish the police could just take them out. they know who they all are, their hands are tied though.

[itsnotoutthere]

God i love this guy.

[ploppy]

The IRA are from Northern Ireland are they? You're saying Micheal Collins was British? Why do I keep reading in my local paper here in the Republic that they are arresting people with arms stashes/bomb making equipment just down the road? The problem is on both sides of the border! You can't blame these eegits just on the British!

This is where people get it really wrong. They're two different things.

The IRA was originally the Irish Republican Army, the national army of the country, derived from the IRB ( Irish Republican Brotherhood). So you've got the United States Army, we 'had' the IRA.

The IRA of today is a totally DIFFERENT lot of people simply using the term as a means of justifying themselves.

It's as if I joined the KKK and killed and ate the most Aryan looking babies. I may call myself the KKK but I'm clearly nothing to do with them and they would be ashamed

So yes the terrorist IRA are British, we have nothing to do with them. We are our own country that have a state nbelonging to another attached to us. You wouldn't say Germany and France are the same country and they're joined at the hip too.

So I'm not blaming the British, but if people want to blame someone, don't blame the Irish. We a different fecking place! I'll just go and blame a random Japanese man for running over my cat 3 years ago, when in reality it was the Scottish neighbour who lived beside me.

I should copy and paste this post, the amount of times I have to recite it and to people who should know their own history. It's frustrating to be confused with other people, especially people that commit such atrocities.

Edited November 14, 2010 by ploppy

[Shanks91]

This is where people get it really wrong. They're two different things.

The IRA was originally the Irish Republican Army, the national army of the country, derived from the IRB ( Irish Republican Brotherhood). So you've got the United States Army, we 'had' the IRA.

The IRA of today is a totally DIFFERENT lot of people simply using the term as a means of justifying themselves.

It's as if I joined the KKK and killed and ate the most Aryan looking babies. I may call myself the KKK but I'm clearly nothing to do with them and they would be ashamed

So yes the terrorist IRA are British, we have nothing to do with them. We are our own country that have a state nbelonging to another attached to us. You wouldn't say Germany and France are the same country and they're joined at the hip too.

So I'm not blaming the British, but if people want to blame someone, don't blame the Irish. We a different fecking place! I'll just go and blame a random Japanese man for running over my cat 3 years ago, when in reality it was the Scottish neighbour who lived beside me.

I should copy and paste this post, the amount of times I have to recite it and to people who should know their own history. It's frustrating to be confused with other people, especially people that commit such atrocities.

Thanks I'll give this to my Yank friend who ha no idea of the "way" the different countries and states of The British Isles identify them selves, tar.

[Blackwhite]

I doubt the IRA would like to hear you referring to them as British.

[Blackwhite]

This is extreme and pretty mad, but at the same time people who have simply said "I don't support troops or wear poPpys to commemorate the previous wars of the world" ect get an unwarranted backlash. No everyone has to or does have respect or admiration for soldiers or wars and that isn't the worst thing in the world.

Being Irish you therefore don't know what it's like to have a proper army. That means you don't know what it's like to have hundreds of troops being killed every year in a faraway land in a war that many of the troops don't agree with (although, because I know right from wrong, I think both of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were entirely justified).

The British, unlike the Irish, therefore have an event every 11th November where we have a minute's silence at 11am to remember the thousands of British troops who have died in service of their country since WWI. And we also have Rememrance Sunday (which is today) which is held on the nearest Sunday to 11th November in which ceremonies to remember and respect our war dead are held all over the country and thousands of veterans march past the Cenotaph in London watched by crowds of thousands.

It's also at this time of year that millions of British people wear paper poppies to show their respect to the troops. These are now incredibly popular and I've even seen young girls wearing them in their hair. All money raised on them goes to the Royal British Legion.

And none of these events and the wearing of the poppy are a means of celebrating wars. They are a means of showing respect to the hundreds of thousands of British service personnel who have died over the past 100 years in wars that all of them were ordered to fight in whether they wanted to or not.

People don't have to respect soldiers, although I can't understand why people wouldn't when these soldiers are putting their lives on the line for their country.

And, being Irish, you should show respect to the poppy too because, with what is now the Republic of Ireland once being a part of the UK, you most probably have an ancestor who fought in the British Army in the mud and trenches of WWI.

And it is the modern British Army that will come to the Republic of Ireland's aid (even though you weren't of much help during WWII) should it ever be invaded or threatened with invasion. You'll not get much help from the French or Germans.

Edited November 14, 2010 by Blackwhite

[StoneAgeQueen]

I doubt the IRA would like to hear you referring to them as British.

Who cares what they think? They are British, whether they like it or not. They're terrorist scum fighting against democracy.

And I hope you're not including Northern Ireland in your post because if you are, you are wrong. Memorial day and the poppy ceremonies are huge here.

Besides that, my family attended a British Legion poppy event in Dublin one year. My Dad represented the Ulster British legion and laid a poppy wreath in the Irish National war memorial garden. don't forget that quite a few young men from the Republic joined up to fight in the wars on the side of the British.

Edited November 14, 2010 by StoneAgeQueen

[Blackwhite]

America are great at the whole terrorism malarkey. I think the people that happened to be muslim and terrorists get a bit jealous.

I don't see what America has to do with this. This is a thread about the despicable burning of the poppy - a symbol of respect to service personnel only in Britain, Canada and one or two other Commonwealth countries - by a group slimebags, who most probably live in big houses and own flash cars all paid for by the British taxpayer.

And I also won't take advice on the rights and wrongs of military affairs from an Irishwoman. The Republic of Ireland is a country which had a rather shameful World War II under Eamon de Valera.

De Valera, the Republic of Ireland's second Prime Minister, decided that his country would be neutral during WWII as, of course, he didn't like the British that much, even though neutrality did nothing to help put an end Hitler's evil intentions. And many of the Republic of Ireland's politicians were anti-Semites who supported Nazi Germany. They saw "England's difficulty as Ireland's Opportunity." Indeed, de Valera himself (and those Irish Americans who see him as an Irish republican hero should take note) was a noted anti-Semite.

In 1943, the newly-elected Oliver J Flanagan made a speech to Parliament advocating "routing the Jews out of the country."

Jews also had a hard time in trying to claim refuge in Ireland during the War.

Dr. Mervyn O'Driscoll of University College Cork reported on the unofficial and official barriers that prevented Jews from finding refuge in Ireland:

“ Although overt anti-Semitism was not typical, the southern Irish were indifferent to the Nazi persecution of the Jews and those fleeing the third Reich....A successful applicant in 1938 was typically wealthy, middle-aged or elderly, single from Austria, Roman Catholic and desiring to retire in peace to Ireland and not engage in employment. Only a few Viennese bankers and industrialists met the strict criterion of being Catholic, although possibly of Jewish descent, capable of supporting themselves comfortably without involvement in the economic life of the country.

There was some official indifference from the Irish political establishment to the Jewish victims of the Holocaust during and after the war. This indifference would later be described by Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform Michael McDowell as being "antipathetic, hostile and unfeeling".

Post-war, Jewish groups had great difficulty in getting refugee status for Jewish children, whilst at the same time, a plan to bring over four hundred Catholic Children from the Rhineland encountered no difficulties.

The Department of Justice explained in 1948 that:

“It has always been the policy of the Minister for Justice to restrict the admission of Jewish aliens, for the reason that any substantial increase in our Jewish population might give rise to an anti-Semitic problem.

In 1945, de Valera was the only world leader, other than Japan's, to sign a book of condolence on Hitler's death in 1945. This did not make your country particularly popular with the US.

Edited November 14, 2010 by Blackwhite