All Ghost Hunting Reality shows are Fake

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Jay and Grant have been shown to be hucksters probably more than any other show. I don't trust anything they present as evidence.

I'm probably more of a skeptic on here than most of the members, but i still haven't seen any real evidence that they've FAKED anything.

[Grape Soda]

Strangely enough, that video itself has been debunked by a audio visual specialist. It was just the way the he patted the jacket that the fabric was pulled. Nothing mysterious intended.

i'm confused to this reply. are you saying some AV specialist debunked the debunk video, or the specialist debunked the actual halloween episode clip in question?

as far as i'm concerned, the video that Sakari linked is proof that grant staged that whole incident......i dunno anyone who suspiciously holds their had at their side like that for 15 minutes without moving it.....especially when "something" tugs at the hood of their jacket.

as far as the the OT: i've said this on countless threads about this same topic....money talks. ghost hunting shows are hip right now, and networks are paying good money to investigation teams; legitimate or otherwise. the simple fact that EVERYTIME these investigators for any of these shows goes out to "do research" they find some "awesome evidence". anyone that has ever gone on an investigation can attest to 99.9% of the time...nothing happens. yet all of these shows are batting 100% accuracy. i call tomfollery.

[Grape Soda]

I'm probably more of a skeptic on here than most of the members, but i still haven't seen any real evidence that they've FAKED anything.

i guess this post just answered my previous post.....sigh.

seriously? you're more of a skeptic than most members here and you don't think GH fakes anything? uh, you've only been a member for 3 weeks!!! (and you already have over 325 posts...WTF?) how can you claim to be more of a skeptic than most member here, when you haven't even been around long enough to know how any of the long standing members (not that i'm claiming to be a long standing member) stand on various topics? and if you are "probably more of a skeptic on here than most of the members" how can you not call into question "ghost hunters" and every other entertainment "paranormal investigation" show as a fraud for the almighty US dollar?

[scepticalbeliever]

That just it. I don't hate the shows. Paranormal State didn't go out and make a reality show, they were approached I believe. They were doing it way before they were a show.

People making a buck off the paranormal craze. Well that isn't new, during the era of spiritism, there have been those making a buck and probably before that. There have always been those who make a buck off fear, the Church is the biggest culprit.

I understand why they have to fake the evidence. I believe most go on these quests to find stuff and it can be unreliable. For instance, I'll bring up Amityville again. We've all heard all these strange things happened there, say the ghost hunters went to investigate because the new owners were suffering from something, and they documented everything they experienced. So the Ghost Hunters go and investigate this house, and bring the camera and crew and read some of the documentation, interview the owners, they re tell their tales of their experiences, its all set, the cameras are rolling they're in there with lights out, and nothing happens, the ratings wouldn't be so good. People may accept one or two shows like that but if it continued, they'd stop watching, the show would be cancelled.

Because the Ghost Hunters didn't experience anything that was documented or told to them, can they conclude it wasn't real.

Two weeks before Halloween, I was sitting at my computer shopping on amazon, and my door swung wide open. Now, I remember closing the door all the way and locking it, not that it had a habit of swinging open just out of security, I guess, I don't live in a crime ridden area, but growing up my mother always locked the house when she went to bed, and I guess because I know that was normal, I guess its just ingrained. Am I scared to leave the door unlocked no, its just one of those things. My father is the opposite, he's the type that will come home for lunch and if the house is empty he will leave the front door wide open, and if its warm weather, he'll also leave the sliding glass doors wide open and the garage door. This is in the day time. And he'll go to sleep with all the doors wide open. Many a fight betwen my mother and him about that but things did't change.

The door swung slowly wide open, like someone was opening it. I know I locked the door, and I know the door latchy thing caught so how did the soor open?

Was it a paranormal experience. Maybe. Did I convince myself that I closed and locked the door but in reality, was distracted and only thought I closed and locked the door because I'm used to doing it? Possibility. Its chilly so all windows were closed so not chance of a draft, I don't think. But it happened to me.

I have no evidence it happened, but I'm just telling you it happened. So you come over here and you wait in the room for the door to unlock itself and open and it doesn't. Does it mean it didn't happen? I didn't record it, and even if I did, you could say I tied a string to it somehow and made the door open. I can't convince you it happened, but it did.

The point of the shows, the audience wants to be satisfied with evidence, whether that evidence is faked or real. I also started thinking that maybe they want people to know they fake it so those who are really impressionable don't become too alarmed by the show and harm themselves in fear that there may be a ghost lurking in their house and end up in a lawsuit. That has crossed my mind.

I personally believe in spirits and entities, because I experienced it first hand, wide awake, doing normal routine things. I can't convince you of that experience because you weren't there, nor will I invite you over and rig my house up to re enact the experiences to convince you either.

The pariah of Paranormal State is Chip. I know people like him he has his own show called psychic kids. But there is just something not right about him, I also get the impresson Ryan gets annoyed with him alot.

One of the biggest myths is you can't cross spirits over, they have to do it themselves. You can tell them to leave your property, they have to obey that just like we have to obey if someone no longer wants us in the house, however, the Bible does answer this when Jesus explained that when a spirit is cast out, it wonders the desert seeking a new home, and if it can't find one, it comes back. You can tell it to leave, but it will try to come back.

And I re read some of my earlier posts and noticed all the type os sorry about that, my mind thinks faster than my finger can hit the keys. LOL.

[scepticalbeliever]

One of the my bigges gripes about the shows is that its done in the dark, with all the lights out and the infra red cameras. When most people experience their experiences sitting down for a meal or gathering in the family room with lights on.

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Grape Soda

First of all, i can see what you're saying about the time that i've been on but what's the point you're making about my post count? I've been on here less than a month and have made more posts than you have and you've been on for over a year. If you're saying that i have so many posts on here because i talk about the paranormal so much, you might want to look at my posts first.

What i meant is that the "debunk video" has been debunked.

You bring up money as a factor. The GH teams don't make much money on the shows themselves. They get money by the use of their likenesses and convention appearances. They still all have regular jobs. They'd still be getting roughly the same amounts of money if they left the show.

On the question of their evidence, i never said i agree with what they consider evidence. Something that sounds like a footstep could be rubble falling on the floor (if it's an old location) or some other more explainable occurance. But they do go about trying to debunk stories more than most teams out there and they've used the same investigation techniques that they used before the show was created. The bottom line is that they don't deliberately go out and FAKE evidence, as in they don't create fictional EVP's or have a special effects company create fake ghost footage. If that were the case, those FX companies would have to be cited in the credits under law, and there is none.

[Grape Soda]

Grape Soda

First of all, i can see what you're saying about the time that i've been on but what's the point you're making about my post count? I've been on here less than a month and have made more posts than you have and you've been on for over a year. If you're saying that i have so many posts on here because i talk about the paranormal so much, you might want to look at my posts first.

What i meant is that the "debunk video" has been debunked.

You bring up money as a factor. The GH teams don't make much money on the shows themselves. They get money by the use of their likenesses and convention appearances. They still all have regular jobs. They'd still be getting roughly the same amounts of money if they left the show.

On the question of their evidence, i never said i agree with what they consider evidence. Something that sounds like a footstep could be rubble falling on the floor (if it's an old location) or some other more explainable occurance. But they do go about trying to debunk stories more than most teams out there and they've used the same investigation techniques that they used before the show was created. The bottom line is that they don't deliberately go out and FAKE evidence, as in they don't create fictional EVP's or have a special effects company create fake ghost footage. If that were the case, those FX companies would have to be cited in the credits under law, and there is none.

me calling you out on your post counts and being here for only three weeks has nothing to do with your belief or lackthereof in the paranormal. i was calling you out on claiming to be "more skeptic than most members here" when i doubt you've interacted with most of the more active members in this forum. those members being VERY skeptical. this isn't a pi$$ing contest, dude. i just don't see why you should claim skeptic supremacy, being a noob to these particular forums.

as to the "jacket tug debunk" debunk; "the folds of the fabric in the coat" aside.....how could anyone react in such an unnatural manner to having there hoodie pulled....not once but 3 times? grant's hand NEVER leaves his waistline. he's not batting about his head, he doesn't flail both of his arms, he doesn't throw both hands up in disbelief as any rational human reaction would call for. for the ENTIRE duration of that footage, the dude's right hand is kept right at his waistline. NOT in his jeans pocket. not in his jacket pocket. it NEVER moves from that position. NOT ONCE. that, to me, screams FAKED!

[Grape Soda]

and one more thing.....

as far as money is concerned: not only do they have the ghost hunters show, ghost hunters international show, and ghost hunters academy show. they ALSO have the ghost hunters kit for sale online for $100 and the more advanced ghost hunters acadamy ghost hunting kit for $225. lets also factor in the money they make off basic merchandising. i mean, t-shirts and hoodies and stickers.

to think that when the film crew just happens to be onsite when they are unclogging some toilet in their rotterrooter uniforms and they suddenly get a call from ghostbusters HQ is just naive. they are making more than enough money selling themselves on SYFY(which is a LAME name....the network is and always will be SCI-FI)they don't really need to be plumbers. they have guest spots on other shows as well....destination truth. they get paid handsomely for that as well. i seriously doubt all of this TV work and attention is done for freaking charity.

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me calling you out on your post counts and being here for only three weeks has nothing to do with your belief or lackthereof in the paranormal. i was calling you out on claiming to be "more skeptic than most members here" when i doubt you've interacted with most of the more active members in this forum. those members being VERY skeptical. this isn't a pi$$ing contest, dude. i just don't see why you should claim skeptic supremacy, being a noob to these particular forums.

as to the "jacket tug debunk" debunk; "the folds of the fabric in the coat" aside.....how could anyone react in such an unnatural manner to having there hoodie pulled....not once but 3 times? grant's hand NEVER leaves his waistline. he's not batting about his head, he doesn't flail both of his arms, he doesn't throw both hands up in disbelief as any rational human reaction would call for. for the ENTIRE duration of that footage, the dude's right hand is kept right at his waistline. NOT in his jeans pocket. not in his jacket pocket. it NEVER moves from that position. NOT ONCE. that, to me, screams FAKED!

Well, i was actually kicked off another paranormal site for being too skeptical and i've communicated with many of the regulars on here regularly.

But, that's your opinion. You have no evidence of that. You say you THINK it's fake because you THINK there's a string. For a person who criticizes someones evidence gathering techniques, i don't see you doing much debunking on your own. There's really too many maybe's to start screaming fraud at this point. The guy does this stuff on a regular basis, MAYBE he's used to controlling that reflex to jump and flail his arms. Don't forget that they investigate old locations all the time and part of that job is to walk through cobwebs and low hanging wires in the dark, so he's probably alot more used to having a feeling of something pulling his clothes than most people. Besides, don't you think that if they were really at risk of revealing something like that, they'd cut away to something else? It was a live shoot with live editing. I spent 3 years in college doing live editing, i'm not saying i'm a pro but, it's really not hard to say "cut to camera 2" and doing it immediately.

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and one more thing.....

as far as money is concerned: not only do they have the ghost hunters show, ghost hunters international show, and ghost hunters academy show. they ALSO have the ghost hunters kit for sale online for $100 and the more advanced ghost hunters acadamy ghost hunting kit for $225. lets also factor in the money they make off basic merchandising. i mean, t-shirts and hoodies and stickers.

to think that when the film crew just happens to be onsite when they are unclogging some toilet in their rotterrooter uniforms and they suddenly get a call from ghostbusters HQ is just naive. they are making more than enough money selling themselves on SYFY(which is a LAME name....the network is and always will be SCI-FI)they don't really need to be plumbers. they have guest spots on other shows as well....destination truth. they get paid handsomely for that as well. i seriously doubt all of this TV work and attention is done for freaking charity.

As for this.

First of all, they don't get more money per show. That was SyFy's decision because of the shows reputation.

Why do you think the camera crew just so happens to be with them when they get the call? That's because the camera crew follows them where ever they go. In a given week, they can have thousands of hours of footage from multiple cameras, which takes three months to get to the tv screen. And, like i said, they do get money for likeness use and conventions. They don't do it completely for free but they're far from rich.

[Grape Soda]

Well, i was actually kicked off another paranormal site for being too skeptical and i've communicated with many of the regulars on here regularly.

But, that's your opinion. You have no evidence of that. You say you THINK it's fake because you THINK there's a string. For a person who criticizes someones evidence gathering techniques, i don't see you doing much debunking on your own. There's really too many maybe's to start screaming fraud at this point. The guy does this stuff on a regular basis, MAYBE he's used to controlling that reflex to jump and flail his arms. Don't forget that they investigate old locations all the time and part of that job is to walk through cobwebs and low hanging wires in the dark, so he's probably alot more used to having a feeling of something pulling his clothes than most people. Besides, don't you think that if they were really at risk of revealing something like that, they'd cut away to something else? It was a live shoot with live editing. I spent 3 years in college doing live editing, i'm not saying i'm a pro but, it's really not hard to say "cut to camera 2" and doing it immediately.

he may be a "seasoned veteran" in dealing with ghost cobwebs......but to think that after he goes into that side tunnel and ditches the camera....and for the next 15-20 minutes grant NEVER moves his right hand from that part of his jacket.......and he is right handed. he never points at anything or adjusts his clothes. he never scratches his face or brushes his hair. his hand just stays in that exact position for 20 minutes. seriously......that raises ZERO suspicion with you? he falls backwards and his hand doesn't move from his waist position. that is TOTALLY natural.

believe that BS if you want, but i'm not buying that. money talks, bro. money talks.

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he may be a "seasoned veteran" in dealing with ghost cobwebs......but to think that after he goes into that side tunnel and ditches the camera....and for the next 15-20 minutes grant NEVER moves his right hand from that part of his jacket.......and he is right handed. he never points at anything or adjusts his clothes. he never scratches his face or brushes his hair. his hand just stays in that exact position for 20 minutes. seriously......that raises ZERO suspicion with you? he falls backwards and his hand doesn't move from his waist position. that is TOTALLY natural.

believe that BS if you want, but i'm not buying that. money talks, bro. money talks.

You can believe whatever you yourself wants to. I just don't really need to jump to conclusions.

[Agent. Mulder]

You can believe whatever you yourself wants to. I just don't really need to jump to conclusions.

Almost think youve got a bit of a bias going on here, from your previous interactions with them.

Doubt an AV tech debunked that video.

[supervike]

It's just entertainment. I take it as no different that 'David Blaine'. Tricks and illusions to creep me out.

I suppose it is possible there are paranormal events, but why two plumbers with goofy equipment are considered 'experts' is beyond me.

[Rock-Star]

I watch a number of these shows, and I have to say that Paranormal State seems to be the most honest-to-goodness. Not as much in what evidence they do or do not present, but in their intentions. Ryan and his crew honestly just seem to want to help others who believe they are being haunted, and appear to show genuine concern. It does not really seem to be about celebrity. On a side note, I must say that while I lean towards being a believer due to things I have personally experienced, NONE of these shows thus far have shown me ANYTHING that I would take as definitive proof of ghosts. They are entertaining nonetheless.

[sam12six]

As for this.

First of all, they don't get more money per show. That was SyFy's decision because of the shows reputation.

Why do you think the camera crew just so happens to be with them when they get the call? That's because the camera crew follows them where ever they go. In a given week, they can have thousands of hours of footage from multiple cameras, which takes three months to get to the tv screen. And, like i said, they do get money for likeness use and conventions. They don't do it completely for free but they're far from rich.

LOL. You actually believe they have a crew who follow them around while they go about their daily business of snaking toilets rather than just stage the call? That's stupidiculous. Scyfy would save money just by paying Jason and Grant not to fix toilets and record themselves answering their own phones at HQ rather than have a full crew follow them around all day every day waiting for a call that could come anytime (and let's not forget the other camera crew that's stationed at HQ all the time to get the other end of the conversation).

You're not a skeptic. You're just trying to make your arguments more compelling by claiming to be one.

Imagine a fishing show where no fish are caught. How long would it stay on the air? Sure, they could kill a little time talking about tackle and various baits for different conditions, but eventually the lack of fish would raise some question about whether this person who can't catch fish should have a show about the subject.

Paranormal shows are like that fishing show. ANYONE who makes a living from the paranormal field is paid for results (or to convince people of results). Why is this? Because the entire field (whether you're talking ghosts, bigfoot, or psi balls) has zero measurable, verifiable evidence. If such evidence existed, it would not be paranormal, it would be normal.

No reality show is real. At the least, there are staged scenes ("You guys need to go back to the boat and wade ashore again. The glare screwed up the last shot") and editing. In an environment where you're supposedly showing shadows, minor movement, or small sounds, turning off the lights and adding spooky sound effects does nothing but muddy the water from the viewer's perspective. Now, a skeptic would think the reason for this (in addition to atmosphere) could be to make "tricks" less obvious (but I know you don't).

As someone mentioned before, a real investigation of this sort produces almost nothing (see Ghost Hunters season 1). The recent seasons have been chock full of "evidence".

The investigators have their own personalities and their own flavor of personal experience:

Donna was all about the "vibe" she got from a place.

Brian, I tend to believe was developing some degenerative eye problem due to his constant sighting of shadows nobody else saw.

Steve and Jason have tended to be more in the "something touched me" camp.

Grant is the only one who experiences all of the above. Additionally, in any situation where something moved, 99% of the time Grant is present. I know you're thinking he's activating the latent telekinesis of the disembodied souls, but a skeptic would think maybe he's helping things along more conventionally.

[scepticalbeliever]

LOL. You actually believe they have a crew who follow them around while they go about their daily business of snaking toilets rather than just stage the call? That's stupidiculous. Scyfy would save money just by paying Jason and Grant not to fix toilets and record themselves answering their own phones at HQ rather than have a full crew follow them around all day every day waiting for a call that could come anytime (and let's not forget the other camera crew that's stationed at HQ all the time to get the other end of the conversation).

You're not a skeptic. You're just trying to make your arguments more compelling by claiming to be one.

Imagine a fishing show where no fish are caught. How long would it stay on the air? Sure, they could kill a little time talking about tackle and various baits for different conditions, but eventually the lack of fish would raise some question about whether this person who can't catch fish should have a show about the subject.

Paranormal shows are like that fishing show. ANYONE who makes a living from the paranormal field is paid for results (or to convince people of results). Why is this? Because the entire field (whether you're talking ghosts, bigfoot, or psi balls) has zero measurable, verifiable evidence. If such evidence existed, it would not be paranormal, it would be normal.

No reality show is real. At the least, there are staged scenes ("You guys need to go back to the boat and wade ashore again. The glare screwed up the last shot") and editing. In an environment where you're supposedly showing shadows, minor movement, or small sounds, turning off the lights and adding spooky sound effects does nothing but muddy the water from the viewer's perspective. Now, a skeptic would think the reason for this (in addition to atmosphere) could be to make "tricks" less obvious (but I know you don't).

As someone mentioned before, a real investigation of this sort produces almost nothing (see Ghost Hunters season 1). The recent seasons have been chock full of "evidence".

The investigators have their own personalities and their own flavor of personal experience:

Donna was all about the "vibe" she got from a place.

Brian, I tend to believe was developing some degenerative eye problem due to his constant sighting of shadows nobody else saw.

Steve and Jason have tended to be more in the "something touched me" camp.

Grant is the only one who experiences all of the above. Additionally, in any situation where something moved, 99% of the time Grant is present. I know you're thinking he's activating the latent telekinesis of the disembodied souls, but a skeptic would think maybe he's helping things along more conventionally.

Not to mention they add personal differences in the mix, like the bickering between the tech guys or hurt feelings between the investigators because someone said something.

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Almost think youve got a bit of a bias going on here, from your previous interactions with them.

Doubt an AV tech debunked that video.

I never said i agree with their findings. I'm just saying they don't deliberately fake evidence.

LOL. You actually believe they have a crew who follow them around while they go about their daily business of snaking toilets rather than just stage the call? That's stupidiculous. Scyfy would save money just by paying Jason and Grant not to fix toilets and record themselves answering their own phones at HQ rather than have a full crew follow them around all day every day waiting for a call that could come anytime (and let's not forget the other camera crew that's stationed at HQ all the time to get the other end of the conversation).

You're not a skeptic. You're just trying to make your arguments more compelling by claiming to be one.

Imagine a fishing show where no fish are caught. How long would it stay on the air? Sure, they could kill a little time talking about tackle and various baits for different conditions, but eventually the lack of fish would raise some question about whether this person who can't catch fish should have a show about the subject.

Paranormal shows are like that fishing show. ANYONE who makes a living from the paranormal field is paid for results (or to convince people of results). Why is this? Because the entire field (whether you're talking ghosts, bigfoot, or psi balls) has zero measurable, verifiable evidence. If such evidence existed, it would not be paranormal, it would be normal.

No reality show is real. At the least, there are staged scenes ("You guys need to go back to the boat and wade ashore again. The glare screwed up the last shot") and editing. In an environment where you're supposedly showing shadows, minor movement, or small sounds, turning off the lights and adding spooky sound effects does nothing but muddy the water from the viewer's perspective. Now, a skeptic would think the reason for this (in addition to atmosphere) could be to make "tricks" less obvious (but I know you don't).

As someone mentioned before, a real investigation of this sort produces almost nothing (see Ghost Hunters season 1). The recent seasons have been chock full of "evidence".

The investigators have their own personalities and their own flavor of personal experience:

Donna was all about the "vibe" she got from a place.

Brian, I tend to believe was developing some degenerative eye problem due to his constant sighting of shadows nobody else saw.

Steve and Jason have tended to be more in the "something touched me" camp.

Grant is the only one who experiences all of the above. Additionally, in any situation where something moved, 99% of the time Grant is present. I know you're thinking he's activating the latent telekinesis of the disembodied souls, but a skeptic would think maybe he's helping things along more conventionally.

They really do have a crew follow them around, they do it two to three times a week.

Actually, i am a skeptic, but like i said, i don't necessarily accept their findings.

Yes, i'm not saying they NEVER stage stuff. They do stuff like you mention, "start from here and walk through that door" kinda stuff. Like i said, i have SOME evidence with shooting tv shows. All i'm saying is that they don't FAKE evidence. I don't know why everyone is jumping on me.

[Sakari]

One of the my bigges gripes about the shows is that its done in the dark, with all the lights out and the infra red cameras. When most people experience their experiences sitting down for a meal or gathering in the family room with lights on.

I made a topic on that exact thing , it DRIVES ME NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CarbonBlack]

I've never seen any sort of paranormal show where I actually thought they were being legit. There are just levels of fakeness to them that I can tolerate and overlook for entertainment purposes. Most of why I ever like those sorts of shows are for the neat locations they take place in and the back-story.

Maybe soon, though there'll be a legit one. =p My best friend's Dad does little acting gigs as a hobby, for things like music videos or low budget movies done by aspiring film makers and whatnot, so he's got a lot of buddies with similar hobbies. Couple months ago he calls my best friend up and asks her if she'd help one of his friends out who was putting together a 'real paranormal investigation' show that was 'being considered for airing' (we're logical people, though, so we presumed off the bat that it won't be put on TV. She went ahead and agreed to it anyway, though, because we like things like that and it seemed like it'd be interesting), and they hauled her to one of our local haunting hot-spots and locked her in the basement on her own in the dark with a camera for an hour or so. She had some things go down, and reportedly the camera caught some 'pretty crazy ****', but neither of us have seen the recording ourselves yet so we wouldn't be able to say any which way.

[Sakari]

As for this.

First of all, they don't get more money per show. That was SyFy's decision because of the shows reputation.

Why do you think the camera crew just so happens to be with them when they get the call? That's because the camera crew follows them where ever they go. In a given week, they can have thousands of hours of footage from multiple cameras, which takes three months to get to the tv screen. And, like i said, they do get money for likeness use and conventions. They don't do it completely for free but they're far from rich.

3 things :

1 - That video I posted says to decide for ones self....

2 - Where is there a video showing that video I posted is fake?....The one that says to decide for yourself?....The Jacket Pull...

You can watch that , and others , and say it is not a set up?.....Really?....Did anyone catch the very last " tug " , the one that he did not react to?...I find it hard to believe you claim yourself a huge skeptic , when getting evidence that supports 100% that a piece of evidence is fake.

3 - Ghost Hunters is not a " reality show " , they do not have a camera crew following them around all the time.I highly doubt they work at Roto Rooter anymore , and acting like they do gives them and SCYFY advertisement money.( yes , ,Roto Rooter would pay for advertising for them to do that )...Anyway , some of these things you are posting do not make sense , show a little evidence of these claims please.

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3 things :

1 - That video I posted says to decide for ones self....

2 - Where is there a video showing that video I posted is fake?....The one that says to decide for yourself?....The Jacket Pull...

You can watch that , and others , and say it is not a set up?.....Really?....Did anyone catch the very last " tug " , the one that he did not react to?...I find it hard to believe you claim yourself a huge skeptic , when getting evidence that supports 100% that a piece of evidence is fake.

3 - Ghost Hunters is not a " reality show " , they do not have a camera crew following them around all the time.I highly doubt they work at Roto Rooter anymore , and acting like they do gives them and SCYFY advertisement money.( yes , ,Roto Rooter would pay for advertising for them to do that )...Anyway , some of these things you are posting do not make sense , show a little evidence of these claims please.

Well, truthfully, i don't have the video to prove only because the man that did it just happened to be friends with a college professor i had. I had mentioned to my professor that i've met the GH team a couple times and he brought up how his friend did the analysis which he later sent to me in an email but i have since deleted it. And once again, there is no evidence, it's opinion, and i am a skeptic, but i'm not a critic.

And for the last time, the camera crews do follow them around. They follow them around 2 to 3 days out of the week. And, infact, they do still work for Rotor Rooter, who does pay for advertisement.

But i'm done with this conversation because it's really going nowhere and all i'm doing is repeating myself to people who aren't listening. I'm not really THAT much of a fan of them or the show anyway. I'm just stating facts.

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[Sakari]

Well, truthfully, i don't have the video to prove only because the man that did it just happened to be friends with a college professor i had. I had mentioned to my professor that i've met the GH team a couple times and he brought up how his friend did the analysis which he later sent to me in an email but i have since deleted it. And once again, there is no evidence, it's opinion, and i am a skeptic, but i'm not a critic.

And for the last time, the camera crews do follow them around. They follow them around 2 to 3 days out of the week. And, infact, they do still work for Rotor Rooter, who does pay for advertisement.

But i'm done with this conversation because it's really going nowhere and all i'm doing is repeating myself to people who aren't listening. I'm not really THAT much of a fan of them or the show anyway. I'm just stating facts.

Hey , no offence......Ok , no evidence to back up your first claim on that video , you have a right to your opinion , we all do.

Now , I CAN NOT find anywhere stating they still work for Roto Rooter ( other than pre- 2007 ) .....They may be working , but it would be as " advertisment spokesmen" as I said....They did buy a huge place to renovate as a restaraunt...

The episode opened up with Jason and Grant getting a phone call about a haunted location as they worked their day job as plumbers for Roto-Rooter. OK, I have to ask. After five seasons of this show being successful, does anybody buy for one second that these guys still work as plumbers? I sure don't. Production on this show likely swallows up so much of their time — not to mention all of their travel — that still working with Roto-Rooter seems ridiculous. It's probably still showcased simply as an advertisement by the Roto-Rooter, and it also keeps Jason and Grant in the image of regular, everyday guys with normal jobs.

Sorry for the rant, I just think this is tired and silly. Nobody believes the Roto-Rooter gig anymore, which raises a credibility concern regarding the show. If we can't believe these guys are who they are portrayed to be, how can we believe any paranormal evidence they gather? I guess that's for you to judge.

Do you have anything to show they actually " work " for roto rooter still?....Making calls , not spokes people?

Edited November 17, 2010 by Sakari

[scepticalbeliever]

Ghost Hunters is on tonight. Anyone know what they'll be investigating.

[Reelybored]

Speaking of this Chip fellow, he's going to be around my parts (Poughkeepsie, NY) soon and I was going to go see his talk (or whatever the hell it is that he's doing) just to humor myself. That is, until i found out that you have to buy tickets for $50. haha, that idea quickly went out the window. Best part is that there was a "VIP" package for $100 to go on a ghost hunt with him. Really? I mean if it's not for the money then I really don't know what it's for. No thanks Chippy!