body scanners and pat downs

[Wyrdlight]

There are always holes in airport security.

I got a 2 Foot long, 6 inch wide hollow poster tube past Heathrow security and placed behind the pilots seat without it being scanned, sniffed, checked or examined in any way, I could have had ANYTHING in there, if I had bad intentions, it would have been easy to bring down the plane.

Regardless of how tight security is, things will alwasy slip through.

[Neognosis]

they know they'd get SUED for violating the Constitution of the United States of America.

One more time, no they wouldn't, as this does NOT violate your constitutional rights. You can keep saying it does, but it does not change the fact that it does NOT. It is scary how little understanding of "constitutional rights" most people have. Like the tv personality who is dismissed for their opinion who cries that their first amendment rights are being violated... WRONG. Both of you should know better, especially if you graduated from high school.

Let airlines do their own private security? That's a GREAT idea! that way, someone who wants to bomb a plane can experiment and find the airline with the most lax security and use that one. GOOD idea.

Oh, and that young boy who appeared to be searched shirtless on youtube? His FATHER made him take the shirt off, NOT the TSA agent. And his right to privacy most certainly WAS violated, but not by the TSA, by the person who took and then posted the video online.

Nice job.

[ninjadude]

Who did the flag go against?.....Man , that was wrong in so many ways......

It went against Nebraska. two penalties. 30 yards. Wrong wrong.

[ninjadude]

sorry the dems were holding judges hostage, until they got what they wanted. the reps. didnt have a 61 vote in the senate, so they didnt have a blank check like the dems did for the last two years.

just making it up as you go along. YOU said the "dems" created the TSA. Which is incorrect. It has nothing to do with judges or 61 votes.

[ninjadude]

Let airlines do their own private security? That's a GREAT idea! that way, someone who wants to bomb a plane can experiment and find the airline with the most lax security and use that one. GOOD idea.

I know this was sarcasm. They did their own private security before 9/11.

[MissMelsWell]

Thanks Neo, I graduated from college.... I'm good with my understanding of the constitution. You however could use some lessons from Emily Post.

[Neognosis]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/national-opt-day-bust-security-delays-thanksgiving-travelers/story?id=12237056

very amusing.

No significant delays. Apparently the full body scanners are not only tolerated by 99% of the population, they seem to make security go faster.

[Sakari]

http://abcnews.go.co...ory?id=12237056

very amusing.

No significant delays. Apparently the full body scanners are not only tolerated by 99% of the population, they seem to make security go faster.

For a while there , I was starting to think this had a huge following , the kicker for me were the polls.....But now , the facts show me different.

The problem with polls such as this one ( meaning this type of topic), it is not accurate.Obviously people that care about the issue are the ones that will take the time to do the poll , and most of the time , it is people that are upset and want to be heard.When you are happy with something , you do not speak out about , no need to , you are happy with it......Same goes with Product reviews on the internet , you will not see to many " I love this thing " , unless it is a advertisement , but people that are un-happy want to be heard , so you will see the negative reviews......

I am done with this topic , unless something major pops up...After seeing Turkey Day come and go , after talking to a VP of Marketing and Communications at a Airport about this , I have drawn my conclusion that this issue will work itself out , and it seems majority of Americans ( travelers ) are going on with life , and going on Planes....

I know some are upset , and I am sorry they feel that way , you can't argue with Majority when it comes to these matters , you need more numbers.....( I think we need a Revolution , but not enough people support it ,would never happen without that )

Edited November 26, 2010 by Sakari

[danielost]

just making it up as you go along. YOU said the "dems" created the TSA. Which is incorrect. It has nothing to do with judges or 61 votes.

first of all one shouldnt cry about someone making things up as they go when that person is also doing it. you said tsa was created in 1990s wrong

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_Security_Administration

[ninjadude]

you said tsa was created in 1990s wrong

I said no such thing. Are you on your meds?

[Neognosis]

Polls are also very easy to manipulate depending on what results you want.

Do you feel a full body scan is invasive?

vs.

Do you feel a full body scan is invasive enough to delay your travel plans, or discontinue flying for the holidays, opting to drive instead, perhaps?

[danielost]

Really? The TSA was formed in 2009? security was private until 9/11 and the Bush admin and Republican congress. The "dems" had little to do with it.

[danielost]

I said no such thing. Are you on your meds?

im sorry your right you said in 2009, but your still making it up as you go, since that link i gave clearly states it was formed in 2001, as a result of the 9/11 attack. then became part of homeland security in 2003. i have also stated i am against that agency too,

i havent been able to find the link between the democrats and tsa but it is there.

[ninjadude]

im sorry your right you said in 2009

No I didn't say in 2009. I asked you a question because you seemed to be claiming it was created during the Obama administration.

[danielost]

No I didn't say in 2009. I asked you a question because you seemed to be claiming it was created during the Obama administration.

i am sorry are you calling me stupid, in that i would think that the democrats who had a 61 vote for a full year would have to worry about what the gop and bush thought.

i stated that the tsa was created in response to the 9/11, why would they wait 8 years to do that.

the tsa was created to give the democrats more votes, they were unionized to give them even more votes. because the majority of government employees vote democrat and the majority of union workers vote democrat.

[MissMelsWell]

Uh,that's kind of insane thinking there Daniel... but if it makes you happy, keep at it. LOL. I got a chuckle, but it would have been funnier if you didn't actually believe that.

*rolls eyes*

Sorry man, the DHS and TSA are ALL on your beloved GW.

[danielost]

Uh,that's kind of insane thinking there Daniel... but if it makes you happy, keep at it. LOL. I got a chuckle, but it would have been funnier if you didn't actually believe that.

*rolls eyes*

Sorry man, the DHS and TSA are ALL on your beloved GW.

i know who started them, and i have been outspoken against the dhs since got started. read some of my older posts on the subject you will note i have been outspoken against them since i started posting on here.

in fact i am the one that started this thread, against those stupid pat downs and scanners. i will probable never fly again.

Edited November 28, 2010 by danielost

[WORKING CLASS AL]

If some jack hole was running his hand ( in a patdown) on the inside of my Wife's leg until " the screener met resistance"...they are gonna get slugged in the eye.

[usmclex]

Yeah! Your a tough guy there, what will slugging a Federal Agent at an airport in front of hundreds of witnesses get you ?

AAAHHHH! Federal Prison Time, Assault on A federal Officer? Think before you open your mouth, thats got to be the

most stupid response ive heard regarding TSA! Let it go man, stop whining about Federal Airport Security, get through,

get felt on for 5 minutes and get on the plane quietly, simple as that, nothing wrong with a little scrotum massage, im so sick

of people whining about security, we should just leave the lanes open i guess, the hell with security right? NOT!!

[Ms. Anita Cigarette.]

are both anti constitutional. they are both searchs without getting a warrent.

the ex-judge on fox just said so too.

we americans have given up too many of our rights it is time to take some back.

there is going to be a national opt out day next wednesday, in which you opt out of the body scanners and allow the pat downs. remember both are unconstitutional.

If it means I can get on the plane & go to my destination, then I'm down for getting my crotch grabbed.

Edited January 4, 2011 by Ms. Anita Cigarette.

[Ms. Anita Cigarette.]

I would like to add a 56 year old woman was recently dragged to the ground & arrested for opposing the security pat down. Mind you, she was a victim of rape & wasn't comfortable with having her breasts grabbed.

"Rape victim arrested for refusing TSA pat down | Raw Story"

"Claire Hirschkind could not receive a body scan because of a pacemaker-type device in her chest and was escorted to a female TSA officer to receive an enhanced pat down.

"I told them, 'No, I'm not going to have my breasts felt,' and she said, 'Yes, you are,'" Hirschkind told KVUE.

After refusing to receive the enhanced pat down, she was arrested.

"The police actually pushed me to the floor, and handcuffed me," she said. "I was crying by then. They drug me 25 yards across the floor in front of the whole security."

[acidhead]

I would like to add a 56 year old woman was recently dragged to the ground & arrested for opposing the security pat down. Mind you, she was a victim of rape & wasn't comfortable with having her breasts grabbed.

"Rape victim arrested for refusing TSA pat down | Raw Story"

"Claire Hirschkind could not receive a body scan because of a pacemaker-type device in her chest and was escorted to a female TSA officer to receive an enhanced pat down.

"I told them, 'No, I'm not going to have my breasts felt,' and she said, 'Yes, you are,'" Hirschkind told KVUE.

After refusing to receive the enhanced pat down, she was arrested.

"The police actually pushed me to the floor, and handcuffed me," she said. "I was crying by then. They drug me 25 yards across the floor in front of the whole security."

land of the free

[Left-Field]

Yeah! Your a tough guy there, what will slugging a Federal Agent at an airport in front of hundreds of witnesses get you ?

AAAHHHH! Federal Prison Time, Assault on A federal Officer? Think before you open your mouth, thats got to be the most stupid response ive heard regarding TSA!

This I agree with (although it may not be the dumbest thing I've heard regarding the TSA). But yea, acting like a tough guy and claiming you'd slug anyone that patted down you, your wife, or anyone else close to you is foolish and will get you nowhere fast. You won't "win" anything taking that approach. And well, hell, it's easy to claim what you'd do on a forum as to what you'd actually do if in said situation. Either way, assaulting someone will only land you in jail.

Let it go man, stop whining about Federal Airport Security, get through, get felt on for 5 minutes and get on the plane quietly, simple as that, nothing wrong with a little scrotum massage, im so sick of people whining about security, we should just leave the lanes open i guess, the hell with security right? NOT!!

Now this - this might actually be the dumbest thing I've read regarding the TSA. "Get felt on", "nothing wrong with a little scrotum massage." Ugh, how embarresing that people would willingly allow such a thing to be done to them just because they want to fly on a plane.

You let them do it at the airport and soon enough you'll be required to get patted down just to by groceries, and your children will need to give-in to having a "scrotum massage" just so they can enter the building where they go to school.

If it means I can get on the plane & go to my destination, then I'm down for getting my crotch grabbed.

That type of mindset they rely upon people having in order for such ridiculous screenings to be put into place to begin with. How many other things are you willing to have your crotch grabbed for before being granted access / approval to participate in any particular activitity?

Edited January 4, 2011 by -Sliver-

[Ms. Anita Cigarette.]

That type of mindset they rely upon people having in order for such ridiculous screenings to be put into place to begin with. How many other things are you willing to have your crotch grabbed for before being granted access / approval to participate in any particular activitity?

Let's see, get my crotch grabbed, or get arrested for not cooperating. Which sounds less uncomfortable?

It's like the epic question Cartman proposes in an episode of South Park.

"Work for you or get my balls cut off. Hmm, let's see..."

I know they rely on us giving up to them, but we have NO choice in certain conditions. Let's say you were with only 1 or 2 officer's & you told them that you didn't feel comfortable being felt up. They would probably be reasonable or accommodating. Not saying they will, but they might consider easing up.

HOWEVER, if you are at a packed airport, in a long line of people waiting to get onboard, & must geta pat down, & NO ONE has said anything, BUT YOU, then you are going to get arrested & dragged thru the terminal, till you are in a private area & are under their complete control!

You could have been on the plane by then, strapping into your seat belt, but no, someone had to complain to the MAN & cause a scene.

Look, I am against this %100, but as an individual, there is nothing we can do against a posse of airport security, even if it is just a group of people complaining!

There is nothing you can do, not I or anyone else.

We have to deal with it & try not to blush.

[Left-Field]

Look, I am against this %100, but as an individual, there is nothing we can do against a posse of airport security, even if it is just a group of people complaining!

I get that (to a certain extent). The thing is, is everyone takes that approach - if everyone just shrugs their shoulders and says "Oh, well..," then nothing changes.

There are a lot of things that are like that. It's been done in the past and has only been done more so in the present day and in years to come. It's getting worse and soon enough it will get to a point where the large majority of people are either asking themselves "How in the world did it get this bad?" (some are already at that point), or they are simply conditioned to accept such wrongs that they are no better than a drone simply doing what they are told. The people in power are hoping we simply become so conditioned to things that soon enough people won't bother voicing their outrage.

I applaud those that actually make a statement against such actions. Whether it will be enough to make a change I don't know, but it's better than being the person who shrugs their shoulders and says, "Oh well..."

I understand your standpoint, because honestly there's a fair chance I'd be one of the people that shrugs my shoulders if placed in the situation we are discussing, but that doesn't mean I feel it's the best course of action in regards to wanting a change to come about.

Who knows, maybe in the moment I'd be likely to shrug it off, but afterwards I'm the type that would write a letter to the appropriate person and / or try to get others together as a group in attempt to bring about a change. Either way, I still applaud those that speak out about something being done to them that isn't right.

There is nothing you can do, not I or anyone else. We have to deal with it & try not to blush.

I disagree with you there. There is something that can be done. Wether people are willing to do what is neccessary to truly bring a change about though is the dilemma.

And I realize you may simply be being playful with that last comment, but it seems it can be said very factually that most are not blushing over the new pat down procedures of the TSA.

Edited January 4, 2011 by -Sliver-