Nazi spaceship

[Persia]

A new sci-fi film about Nazis has reignited a debate in Germany about Hitler's development of UFOs.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/8139811/Nazi-spaceship-film-sparks-UFO-debate.html

[Eldorado]

You'll note the movie is a Sci-Fi Comedy.

[Hazzard]

A Finnish(!) sci-fi comedy. From the guys that brought us Star Wrek.

Naah.

[Persia]

Wrong section... sorry .

[bee]

From OP link..

The PM report quotes eyewitnesses who believe they saw a flying saucer marked with the Iron Cross of the German military flying low over the Thames in 1944.

Oh I don't know....maybe 'flying Saucers' are easy to make?

Antigravity and all that jazz.

But they won't tell us...because we'd all want one.....

[supervike]

I've been waiting for that movie for years!

[bee]

Wrong section... sorry .

I don't think this is the wrong section.

There is more than, just about the film in the article.

[booNyzarC]

It looks like it could be entertaining. Speaking of Nazi flying saucers, I wonder how Drunkenparrot is coming along with that project he was working on.

[bee]

It looks like it could be entertaining. Speaking of Nazi flying saucers, I wonder how Drunkenparrot is coming along with that project he was working on.

I didn't know Drunkenparrot was a Nazi.....

[Coffey]

Why would they have spent so much effort trying to get the Horten stealth Jet out onto the battlefield (well in the air) if they where doing this as well? Seems unrealistic to me. The Nazi's did have plans for some insane stuff though, check these out:

The Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte Link.

Artists impression:

And the Landkreuzer P. 1500 Monster Link.

Image:

Comparison of the two with other BIG tanks:

Can you imagine if these ever made it to the battlefield.

[booNyzarC]

Why would they have spent so much effort trying to get the Horten stealth Jet out onto the battlefield (well in the air) if they where doing this as well? Seems unrealistic to me. The Nazi's did have plans for some insane stuff though, check these out:

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Can you imagine if these ever made it to the battlefield.

Cool pics Coffey.

I'm glad we managed to take them out before they could bring this stuff against us.

[SolarPlexus]

Speaking of Nazi flying saucers, I wonder how Drunkenparrot is coming along with that project he was working on.

lulz that was ages ago... you can probably forget about it

[digitalartist]

I do like how the word present in the beginning is upside down.

[Paxus]

[Classified Document]

The Nazi's dip there spoons in friggin everything!

[xXHellkittiesXx]

Nazis...lol.

[marcos anthony toledo]

Both Joseph P. Farrell and Henry Stevens written about this in their books Reich of the Black Sun and Hitler's Flying Sausar's two great books.

[ohio state buckeyes]

This theory just doesn't hold up. Maybe Hitler wanted "ufos" but they were not that advanced or he would have won the war.

If ufo are american developed from Nazi technology and kept secret then thats a major story too.

[Drunkenparrot]

It looks like it could be entertaining. Speaking of Nazi flying saucers, I wonder how Drunkenparrot is coming along with that project he was working on.

lulz that was ages ago... you can probably forget about it

Salutations, my apologies for not posting anything yet. I've dug through a good amount of what's available and need to put everything I have together in a coherent post.

Its a bit of a herculean task as to properly address all of the rumor, myth and innuendo that surrounds the Nazi saucer story one needs to address a myriad of related subjects ( The Thule and Vril nonsense, the foo fighter phenomena, the chain of rumors that gave birth to modern version of the story etc.)

If anyone is interested here is the bibliography I have been working from, please forgive my shorthand describing the links...

Edit: A bit of technical difficulty with the attatchment. I copied and pasted from notepad and keep getting an error that says " You must enter a post"?

Its only 10k in size, Any ideas?

2nd Edit: Fixed, notepad document attatched below

NaziSaucer.txt

Edited November 18, 2010 by Drunkenparrot

[booNyzarC]

Salutations, my apologies for not posting anything yet. I've dug through a good amount of what's available and need to put everything I have together in a coherent post.

Its a bit of a herculean task as to properly address all of the rumor, myth and innuendo that surrounds the Nazi saucer story one needs to address a myriad of related subjects ( The Thule and Vril nonsense, the foo fighter phenomena, the chain of rumors that gave birth to modern version of the story etc.)

If anyone is interested here is the bibliography I have been working from, please forgive my shorthand describing the links...

Edit: A bit of technical difficulty with the attatchment. I copied and pasted from notepad and keep getting an error that says " You must enter a post"?

Its only 10k in size, Any ideas?

2nd Edit: Fixed, notepad document attatched below

NaziSaucer.txt

Very nice Drunkenparrot! Appreciate the update, I'm seriously looking forward to your finished product and the bibliography you've put together is excessively comprehensive. You do awesome work man.

[DONTEATUS]

A Finnish(!) sci-fi comedy. From the guys that brought us Star Wrek.

Naah.

And If you look closely you can just make out the Long Tooth picks holding all those saucers together!

UFOswed balls anyone?

[Drunkenparrot]

Very nice Drunkenparrot! Appreciate the update, I'm seriously looking forward to your finished product and the bibliography you've put together is excessively comprehensive. You do awesome work man.

Thank you for the compliment. I do very much enjoy the banter and exchange of information and ideas with the members of this forum.

There is always something new or previously overlooked on my part adding a new twist.

In this case, while digging around for 8th AF action reports I stumbled across a foo fighter reference that when tracked to its source revealed one of my favorite historical authors in one of my favorite books which holds a place of honor on my bookshelf as being responsible.

Martin Caidin's excellent read on the14th October 1943 raid on the ball bearing factories at Schweinfurt titled Black Thursday contains this tidbit...

"As the bombers of the 384th Group swung into the final bomb run after passing the Initial Point, the fighter attacks fell off. This point is vital, and pilots were queried extensively, as were other crew members, as to the position at that time of the German fighter planes. Every man interrogated was firm in his statement that "at the time there were no enemy aircraft above." At this moment the pilots and top turret gunners, as well as several crewmen in the Plexiglas noses of the bombers, reported a cluster of discs in the path of the 384th's formation and closing with the bombers. The startled exclamations focused attention on the phenomenon, and the crews talked back and forth, discussing and confirming the astonishing sight before them.

The discs in the cluster were agreed upon as being silver colored, about one inch thick and three inches in diameter. They were easily seen by the B-17 crewmen, gliding down slowly in a very uniform cluster.

And then the "impossible" happened. B-17 Number 026 closed rapidly with a cluster of discs; the pilot attempted to evade an imminent collision with the objects, but was unsuccessful in this manoeuvre. He reported at the intelligence debriefing that his "right wing went directly through a cluster with absolutely no effect on engines or plane surface."

The intelligence officers pressed their questioning, and the pilot stated further that one of the discs was heard to strike the tail assembly of his B-17, but that neither he nor any member of the crew heard or witnessed an explosion.

He further explained that about twenty feet from the discs the pilots sighted a mass of black debris of varying sizes in clusters of three by four feet.

The SECRET report added: "Also observed two other A/C flying through silver discs with no apparent damage. Observed discs and debris two other times but could not determine where it came from."

No further information on this baffling incident has been uncovered, with the exception that such discs were observed by pilots and crew members prior to, and after, Mission 115 of October 14, 1943. Memorandum of October 24 1943, from Major E.R.T. Holmes, F.L.O., 1St Bombardment Division, Reference FLO/1BW/REP/126, to M.I. 15, War Office, Bombardment Division, London, S.W. (copy to Colonel E.W. Thompson, A-2, Pinetree)"

Here is the tidbit that brought the passage to my attention... Schweinfurt - A Mystery Solved? along with the original document....

Lastly, the authors analysis and conclusion...

Presumably Caidin must have seen a copy of this document from one of the American recipients. The following points seem relevant:

I have tried to check the reference Caidin gives three times now at the PRO, once by using a professional researcher. It does not exist. However the AIR files were all re-numbered at some point prior to them being located at the PRO and it is possible the reference refers to the files' original designation.

It is also possible the reference pertains to the accompanying letter when it was sent to the USA. This is unlikely however, as the memo is stated to have been sent from one UK source to another and then on to the USA. The Rubber stamp clearly states it was received on 17 October, pre-dating Caidin's reference by seven days. But the sheer number of channels through which documents went could be the reason for this confusion, and now the original document has been located I don't think we need get hung up on the original reference any more.

I have found no record of most of the personnel listed. However a Squadron Leader Heath was involved in the UK's investigations of the Scandinavian 'ghost rockets' in 1946.

Besides the above, other than some possibly excusable authorial hype, Caidin has recorded the incident more or less as the document states.

At least we now know Caidin's reference exists! Besides that there is little to say really. The objects reported are intriguing but not completely mystifying. There were many types of flak being used by the Germans in W.W.II and several files in the PRO refer to coloured flak, flak which threw off unusual fragments, and so on. This explanation is made more likely by the fact that the 'F.L.O.' in Caidin's reference stands for 'Flak Liaison Officer', at least suggesting that the Air Ministry were treating it within a flak context.

The objects could also have been some kind of 'window' dropped by the Germans in an attempt to disrupt radar or radio communication among air crew. The explanation as to what the small objects were is now more of a task for the air historian than it is for the ufologist. What is clear from the original account is that the discs, whilst unusual, were clearly not any type of 'craft', under intelligent or purposeful control or dangerous to the air craft or crew. In my opinion these objects do not belong in the category of sightings referred to as 'foo-fighters', both by their physical description and by their behaviour and characteristics. Although often lumped in with foo-fighter reports they are clearly different. This story has been a staple of UFO writers for the past three-four decades. Now we have further clarification and I believe that this particular mystery is more or less laid to rest

Good stuff for both historical aviation and UFO enthusiasts alike.

[Bogeyman]

Being objective cuts both ways......In Nick Cooks 2005 documentary "the secret evidence" he came across what seemed to be a test rig for an anti gravity "saucer" at an ex Nazi top secret base on Polish/Czech border...circa 1944 hers's the clip showing the rig. Look, listen and i'd be interested to know what rational reason people think a test rig this size and shape was built for.

I'm open to reason

Here's the clip

Edited November 19, 2010 by Bogeyman

[fireIIC]

There is actually declassified documents that confirm that the nazis had a "ufo" program.

[booNyzarC]

There is actually declassified documents that confirm that the nazis had a "ufo" program.

Would you care to link to those declassified documents? Or are we to simply take your word for it and go "ooohhh" "ahhhhh"?