Dead birds keep falling from the sky

[Sakari]

Sakari, look at the video. Many of these Blackbirds were upside down on the road directly within the community, indicating that these particular individuals probably died ABOVE the road. If fireworks were in that area that night, then they would have been VERY close to the houses that evening, and probably above the road. Witnesses would also have come forward stating that fireworks were heard rather than "loud sounds".

You have 10,000 plus ( could have been 20,000 ) freaked out birds ( look at riots , people getting trampled ) flying around in a craze...They will be running into each other and falling from the sky.....

There are witnesses , one of them is the Sheriff....I would go back and copy /paste the information , but people are crying about seeing the same information on here... ( ok you people , see why I do that now? )

I can not figure out why some people can not see the facts ( bird and fish kills happen ,not un common , data shows this ).....I guess my biggest one is the Arkansas one.

You are a bird watcher....I can not see how you do not see that one either, especially you.

Can you not say for this scenario , that it is so obvious?

Roosting Blackbirds and Starlings roosting at night ( normally a quiet area )....Roosting by buildings , poles , trees , obstacles.10,000 + ( + could be 20,000 , 30,000 )....Some idiot goes out and sets his " tubes " ( shoot mortors out of them ) very close to the roosting birds , or at least the trajectory of the birds , not necessarily right under them....Not sure if you have seen the 2 and 3 inch mortors , but they are basically the same as City Firework Displays...

It is dark now and quiet...." let's git r dun "....Shoot 10 to 12 mortors ( witnesses even say 10 to 12 loud booms ) , these are sold in packages of 6 , 10 , and 12....I shoot them off every Year , almost blew my leg off last year.

You can not tell me that roost is not going to freak out in a panic and fly as fast as possible , in a stressful manner , without thinking clearly of where they are going?....

Now add in it is dark , these birds do not fly at night , and have to now......Now others start shooting off their bottle rockets and such , mass chaos for the birds....

" quick this way , oh no , this way , Oh God it won't stop "......

I compare this to a riot , mass crowd running aimlessly , people getting trampled , running into fences , running into each other , knocking them down , breaking bones,and killing each other in the process.( and humans are smarter than birds )....

Than add in the broken wings , chests , beaks...Blunt force trauma caused by hitting solid objects....And witnesses hearing and seeing them hit walls , basketball backboards , telephone poles....And they were hitting each other.

Options :

A cloaked UFO

Wonder Womans Plane

Man made structures and tree's.

I just do not understand the Conspiracy Theories , or lack of seeing the obvious....

" Occams Razor " folks.... " one should not increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything."

As for the number of kills being recorded , look at History and facts....It has happened , does happen , and will continue to happen.With the Poisoning we do , it will most likely get worse for that cause......

Thing is , this is not un-common , and not matter how much information given , some people refuse to see this.

Can those people tell me why they are ignoring the facts given to show this please?....Did you not read it , search for it , or just refuse to believe it?

As a Bird enthusiast , can you share with everyone how many Bird Deaths there are in New York alone hitting huge sky scrapers in the middle of the day?.....

Edited January 7, 2011 by Sakari

[DigitalSentinal]

Stop raining on my parade. I want my UFO invasion!

[Sakari]

Stop raining on my parade. I want my UFO invasion!

Hey , I would like that also , we agree on that too

Hell , if I believed a Apocolypse was coming ,I would welcome that also....Too many Humans on this planet , 3/4 of the topics here show that

Not sure you saw my "edited" version of reply....

Can you share with everyone how many birds die from hitting Sky Scrapers in the US ( I said New York Earlier ) alone?...In the middle of the day?....Big Giant Buildings with no Fireworks

[DigitalSentinal]

Hey , I would like that also , we agree on that too

Hell , if I believed a Apocolypse was coming ,I would welcome that also....Too many Humans on this planet , 3/4 of the topics here show that

Not sure you saw my "edited" version of reply....

Can you share with everyone how many birds die from hitting Sky Scrapers in the US ( I said New York Earlier ) alone?...In the middle of the day?....Big Giant Buildings with no Fireworks

LOL...you are forgetting one crucial point that makes ALL the difference, and it is the same reason why birds fly into windows:

The windows reflect their surroundings - especially skyscraper ones since companies hire teams to clean them regularly. Birds flying into them do so not because they have poor eyesight or their flight abilities are wonky. They fly into them because the windows reflect their surroundings so well that the birds think they're flying THROUGH the surrrounding window panes rather than into them.

Heck. I walked into a window this year for the same reason. And guess what - I also woke up from some fireworks this New Year's and didn't run into the kitchen and die.

And now back to our imminent UFO invasion!

By the way, "Apocalypse" is Greek in origin, meaning "Lifting of a veil" or "revelation". if you don't believe that there is a lifting of a veil of secrecy in the world going on right now, that's your prerogative but Wikileaks alone proves that idea to be valid.

Things ARE being revealed...

Edited January 7, 2011 by DigitalSentinal

[Sakari]

LOL...you are forgetting one crucial point that makes ALL the difference, and it is the same reason why birds fly into windows:

The windows reflect their surroundings - especially skyscraper ones since companies hire teams to clean them regularly. Birds flying into them do so not because they have poor eyesight or their flight abilities are wonky. They fly into them because the windows reflect their surroundings so well that the birds think they're flying THROUGH the surrrounding window panes rather than into them.

Heck. I walked into a window this year for the same reason. And guess what - I also woke up from some fireworks this New Year's and didn't run into the kitchen and die.

And now back to our imminent UFO invasion!

My point was daytime they hit things , so being scared by loud explosions at night not so crazy....Ok , than how about...

Wind Turbines , Brick Buildings , Radio Antennas , windows on houses ( 36 inch by 42 inch window with 20 foot x 30 foot walls around them ), the ground,each other , planes .....

My Motorcycle and Me riding down Los Altos drive in Sparks,Nevada......Yes , at least 11 times I know of , Dove.....Dead Dove all the time there , speed limit 35 ( most did 25 and under , kids around )....Dove would fly right out in front of cars , sides of cars ( one hit passenger door ) motorcycles ,etc...Like they were suicidle.....No other birds did this.....Vision differences?

Edited January 7, 2011 by Sakari

[jaymalteser]

its the aflockolypse people.

Yes thats its new name!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1344345/Animal-death-mystery-Jackdaws-Sweden-fish-Brazil-New-Zealand-crabs-England.html

Im convinced there are government "shills" prestent on this web site and others, whose principal aims is to keep the sheeple calm.

They are very good at what they do as indeed the politicians are! Look at what a bunch of liars they all are and what they get away with on a regular basis.

Now I dont know what is causing this but it could be some unintentional by-product of government experiments or something much much worse and the government doesnt want mass panic.

I will not accept official government explanations when it is on such a world wide scale such as this.

Im sure we will be discussing future "accidents" in the future.

[DigitalSentinal]

[Sakari]

Yes thats its new name!

http://www.dailymail...bs-England.html

Im convinced there are government "shills" prestent on this web site and others, whose principal aims is to keep the sheeple calm.

They are very good at what they do as indeed the politicians are! Look at what a bunch of liars they all are and what they get away with on a regular basis.

Now I dont know what is causing this but it could be some unintentional by-product of government experiments or something much much worse and the government doesnt want mass panic.

I will not accept official government explanations when it is on such a world wide scale such as this.

Im sure we will be discussing future "accidents" in the future.

Im convinced there are government "shills" prestent on this web site and others >>>>>>>>

Hey , no offense ( I think ) , but you call people who see facts as " Sheeple "? and post replies like that?.....

I can't speak for anyone else , but if I were un-decided on this topic , and saw that my options of whom to believe or feel are " dependable ".....I would have read that reply and made a very quick decision.

That is a reply that just has so much evidence to back it up it is scary....

I'll fill ya in on a secret , but don't say it came from me

There was a Black Op's in and around Arkansas....35 Agents with Jet Packs and Tennis Rackets.( took months of training )....The guy that lit the fireworks , he was in on it also....

That's all I can say bout that......

Serious note :

Start posting Documents and facts , and Witnesses to show how the Government killed these birds.

I have posted plenty of facts , not opinions.....I would expect the same from " your side "

[Sakari]

I wish I could use Photoshop....That is awesome !....I needed a smile here , not that I have not been smiling .....Very good DS !!!

I think you know I never said they died of heart attaches?....Kind of explained this scenario a 100 times

Now for my post to bring a smile.....Does anyone ever feel like topics like this are going like the video below?.....Not everyone , some of us can " debate " civilly ( DS so far , and others fall into the " can debate just fine " group) ......But still

[DigitalSentinal]

Don't know if I should mention this but everytime I check my stats ( I use Statcounter and two other stat counting services), a large amount of visits originate from Virginia...

[jaymalteser]

Im convinced there are government "shills" prestent on this web site and others >>>>>>>>

Hey , no offense ( I think ) , but you call people who see facts as " Sheeple "? and post replies like that?.....

I can't speak for anyone else , but if I were un-decided on this topic , and saw that my options of whom to believe or feel are " dependable ".....I would have read that reply and made a very quick decision.

That is a reply that just has so much evidence to back it up it is scary....

I'll fill ya in on a secret , but don't say it came from me

There was a Black Op's in and around Arkansas....35 Agents with Jet Packs and Tennis Rackets.( took months of training )....The guy that lit the fireworks , he was in on it also....

That's all I can say bout that......

Serious note :

Start posting Documents and facts , and Witnesses to show how the Government killed these birds.

I have posted plenty of facts , not opinions.....I would expect the same from " your side "

As you said "my side"

There is no sides, Im open minded about all of this but you seem your hell bent on convincing the rest of us that its all normal and nothing to worry about, CANT YOU ACTUALLY CONTEMPLATE THAT MAYBE JUST MAYBE WE ARE BEING MIS FED INFORMATION FROM OUR "GOVERNMENTS"???????????????????

Come on dont be so pompous!

[Sakari]

Don't know if I should mention this but everytime I check my stats ( I use Statcounter and two other stat counting services), a large amount of visits originate from Virginia...

Maybe I am the one?...Watch your backs

Ya , losing a house in Nevada , having a son get addicted to Meth and spend his entire teens and start of adulthood in Prison , moving to Oregon for a short lived job , having a class action lawsuit against said job going on , no job going on , not enough money to pay bills....

Spending to much time on here because lack of jobs to apply for ( and sad to say , nothing else to do right now , takes 10 minutes a day to look and get more depressed..

It's a Hell of a set up , and a excellent way to hide my true Government Job , but hey , sacrifices are needed to keep " the people " down , and " the man " way ahead.....

Tough price to pay , but worth it.

[Talion]

Link

[DigitalSentinal]

Feel the trauma...

[Sakari]

As you said "my side"

There is no sides, Im open minded about all of this but you seem your hell bent on convincing the rest of us that its all normal and nothing to worry about, CANT YOU ACTUALLY CONTEMPLATE THAT MAYBE JUST MAYBE WE ARE BEING MIS FED INFORMATION FROM OUR "GOVERNMENTS"???????????????????

Come on dont be so pompous!

I am not Hell bent , I am upset...

I am upset on the Education going down hill , and the ignorance of the population....That is what I am upset about.

I am not trying to convince anyone , I am posting facts , and documentation.....

Can you seriously say you are open minded and claim the Government has caused fish kills , bird kills ( we will leave the rest of wildlife out for now ) . and then they cover it up by hiring a town full of people to make false claims?.....Kills that go back to the late 60's being documented?........Really?

Ya , your open minded.....Just the opposite , if you can not see the obvious , take in facts , educate yourself , then you are close minded.

You refuse to see the real things , you are so wrapped up with Conspiracy Theories that your mind now refuses to see the obvious.

The obvious answers are not " good enough " for people like you , for some reason you have a need for " far more fantasy like " driven answers to get stimulated.

Psychologists are studying this , really , not kidding.

I am sorry you have gotten to that point , I really am....I can't change it , only you can.

I ask you one last time , I post facts , and documentation to the points I make , you on the other hand only post opinions , and opinions of a group of CT's......Until you can post some facts on how the Government did this , including witnesses , physical evidence , links to reliable sources showing proof , than I will just continue to feel sorry for you , and honestly , just laugh at your replies.

Yes , you have a right to your opinion , but when you can not back up your opinion with facts , the opinion really looks ignorant doesn't it?

[Sakari]

Link

Numerous links back in this topic that explain most , if not all of those kills.....You know , if someone made one of these that goes back to say , around 1920's , it would be un-readable , the map would be completely covered with reports....

[jaymalteser]

Numerous links back in this topic that explain most , if not all of those kills.....You know , if someone made one of these that goes back to say , around 1920's , it would be un-readable , the map would be completely covered with reports....

The list is actually larger.

[theGhost_and_theDarkness]

I read that the deaths were a result of internal hemorrhaging with poison and illness ruled out. Looking at it logically, blackbirds tend to roost in the same places year after year. Not necessarily the same birds, but, generally, the same number within the same general area.. .But a number of the birds had likely been there before. So, if the deaths were related to fireworks you would have to take into consideration that A) this was an extremely daft group of birds, especially if they had been in this area before and exposed to the same general New Year's celebrations before B- Large blackbird roosts are issues in the south. The sky in my city was literally blackened by blackbird's not too long ago. It looked like storm clouds but it was, in fact, birds. Many of the areas with the biggest roosts ALSO had fireworks. Why were the birds in these areas not affected? Could there have been a group of "new-roosters" who were used to more country settings?

Lastly, but not leastly C) The deaths are not limited to New Year's Eve. There have been massive die off of fish and birds around the world. If these were happening in a spread out time period, it wouldn't seem so strange. There are often massive die offs. Die offs such as the Arkansas incident have happened, I believe, 16 times over the past 30 or so years. . .I may be remembering incorrectly, but I believe that's what I read. So, at first, it doesn't seem so out of the blue. Nor do the other die offs seem strange, they happen. What makes it weird is that all these different environmental factors and whatnot that cause these periodical die offs happened in a very short amount of time. And, some of the previous large die offs were due to factors such as poison and illness. In ruling out these issues as a cause, we must also rule out the previous cases which they were involved.

Many of the fish deaths have been attributed to an unusually cold winter. Down here in the gulf, there are numerous reasons for them. After affects of the oil spill which, despite what has been being pushed, is not over. It affected some of the most important estuaries in the gulf, and there is no real way to say what long term affects it will have, and one must keep in mind that the short term affects are still in play.

It does not help that people are creating a sensation out of it. It's strange, yes, stranger than they are playing it off to be. However, because of the media attention, every massive die-off is being reported and added to the list, even when their circumstances are not quite as weird. Taking all of that in it could all be one big coincidence. The oceans are going through changes, apparently, if, in different parts of the world, the die-off component of oxygen depletion is as big of a source as it seems to be. . .What I find strange is that you have all these reports from all over, with explanations which are location specific. It wouldn't be strange, again, if they had not all happened around the same time. Low-oxygen levels in Louisiana at the same time as an unusually cold winter in Maryland and more low oxygen levels in England.

So, I'm actually conflicted. Either these things happen more often than we think (although the Coromandel snapper thing isn't very common from what I know) and we are only hearing about them because, since the bird die off, its become the new conspiracy theory and people are actually keeping track. . .or it is all a huge coincidence. I'm not an end-of-days type of person, so I'm not going to include that. . .but I'm not ruling out some world-wide environmental changes that are manifesting themselves. It's hard not to connect the birds into the picture as there have been non-New Year related die-offs world-wide within the last month or so with similar internal injuries, and in a similar manner. This is why I think the firework explanation is sort of bull. You have a group of birds across the country or the world that died with the same injuries, and on a day when there were no fireworks, and within a very close time range of the other group of birds.

The issue though is that there are some nuts that will try and take advantage of all this attention. I would not doubt it if birds began getting poisoned and whatnot. I'm rather suspicious of the doves in Italy, but I'll hold out my judgement until I hear whether or not they find poison in their system.

Anyways, that's my ramblings on it.

EDIT- Some of this was probably already covered, but I'm in a hurry and couldn't read through everything

Edited January 7, 2011 by theGhost_and_theDarkness

[Sakari]

The list is actually larger.

So , you are agreeing with me?....Bird and fish kills are common , yes.

I thought the list's I had posted where large enough , but hell , adding to them and making them bigger shows even more how much this happens , has happened , and will continue to happen....This is called normal behavior.....Born , live , die...Nothing strange there.

Can you show me more documentation of fish and bird kills before the late 60's , I thought the Documentation started in the late 60's of this ....But hey , maybe I just read it wrong.

Hey , while I'm responding , look ,I educated myself some more.....Backed up my claims......

• While large-scale bird die-offs are always a concern, they are not that unusual. USGS records list at least 16 events involving more than 1,000 black birds or starlings over the past 30 years. The majority of these cases were poison related, although weather-related trauma was also the cause of some events

• It is not uncommon for large numbers of black birds to roost in a fairly small area. While we do not have any records of birds being startled by loud noise and subsequently dying, there are many reports of migrating birds becoming disoriented at night from fog and other weather related events, or lights on transmission towers, and colliding with trees, towers and other objects.

Additional fireworks in the area may have forced the birds to fly at a lower altitude than normal and hit houses, vehicles, trees and other objects. Blackbirds have poor night vision and typically do not fly at night.

My link

[Talion]

I agree with you 'Sakari',

For some reason the media is hyping up alot of these tragic events that are normal occurances.

Might be the fact of it being a new year and all or the close timing of these events that they have deemed them News Worthy.

[Sakari]

I agree with you 'Sakari',

For some reason the media is hyping up alot of these tragic events that are normal occurances.

Might be the fact of it being a new year and all or the close timing of these events that they have deemed them News Worthy.

Thanks ,

I am not so sure it is the media , so far , the News I have seen on it have all said the same thing I have been posting...But , this is only NBC and ABC.....I really have not seen much on the News about it....Most of the hype is just here , and on Conspiracy / End of the world threads....

Thank You though , did not mean anything bad about your link , was adding to it

[DigitalSentinal]

Millions of fish and thousands of birds dying suddenly around the world, and nothing is abnormal.

I see dead creatures and animals all the time - doesn`t bother me. I think nothing of it.

But when I see large numbers of animals suddenly rearing up - in multiple places around the globe and under mysterious circumstances...I get concerned - regardless of whatever the local and forum experts say.

Edited January 7, 2011 by DigitalSentinal

[jaymalteser]

Millions of fish and thousands of birds dying suddenly around the world, and nothing is abnormal.

I see dead creatures and animals all the time - doesn`t bother me. I think nothing of it.

But when I see large numbers of animals suddenly rearing up - in multiple places around the globe and under mysterious circumstances...I get concerned - regardless of whatever the local and forum experts say.

Yes true.

Im not saying its a polar shift Im open minded.

But its here to consider.

Is it true that the strength of the Earth's magnetic field is decreasing? What's the effect?

At most places there has been a general decrease in the strength over the past century, typically ten percent or so. No one can say with any certainty whether this represents a fluctuation or whether it is a decrease which will eventually lead to a reversal.

Some scientists theorize that some, if not all of the mass extinctions that have wiped out thousands of species of life on Earth might be correlated with magnetic reversals

(1998)

[link to www.scientificamerican.com]

What causes the periodic reversals of the earth's magnetic field?

Have there been any successful attempts to model the phenomenon?In addition, the computer model has produced three spontaneous reversals of the geomagnetic field during the 300,000-year simulation. So now, for the first time, we have three-dimensional, time-dependent simulated information about how magnetic reversals can occur

(1999)

[link to www.scientificamerican.com]

Satellites Spy Changes to Earth's Magnetic FieldThough the process can take nearly 5,000 years, the earth's magnetic field periodically reverses. According to a report published today in Nature, scientists may have detected the beginning of the field's next such reversal.

He cautions in a commentary accompanying the report that it remains too early to tell if the planet is in the early stage of a polarity reversal. "But the rapidly evolving reversed-flux patches suggest that an attempt at reversal may be under way,"

(2002)

[link to www.scientificamerican.com]

Headed South?

Earth's fading field could mean a magnetic flip soon

(2003)

[link to www.scientificamerican.com]

Hot Spots Unplugged

Long considered fixed founts of molten material from deep within the planet, hot spots now join the list of moving parts.

Implications include textbook rewrites, as well as new views on paleo­climate records and the stability of the entire earth on its spin axis

(2007)

[link to www.scientificamerican.com]

Are the Earth's magnetic poles moving?

How do navigators adjust to this change?

The magnetic poles are far more restless. They move under the influence of the dynamo currents in the Earth's core, as well as electric currents flowing in the ionosphere, the radiation belts and the Earth's magnetosphere.

(2007)

[link to www.scientificamerican.com]

Earth's Core, Magnetic Field Changing Fast, Study Says

"What is so surprising is that rapid, almost sudden, changes take place in the Earth's magnetic field," said study co-author Nils Olsen, a geophysicist at the Danish National Space Center in Copenhagen.

(2008)

[link to news.nationalgeographic.com]

Cluster watches Earth's leaky atmosphere

They discovered that the oxygen ions were being accelerated by changes in the direction of the magnetic field.

(2008)

[link to www.scientificamerican.com]

The earth's magnetic field impacts climate: Danish study

The earth's climate has been significantly affected by the planet's magnetic field, according to a Danish study published Monday that could challenge the notion that human emissions are responsible for global warming:

(2009)

[link to www.terradaily.com]

Russians order Flight Changes, after Massive Magnetic Shift downs Airliners

The reason for this unprecedented warning, these reports state, are the rapid formations of “geomagnetic storms” emanating from the boundaries of the African Tectonic Plate that due to their intensity have caused the loss of two major passenger aircraft during the past month leaving nearly 300 men, women and children dead.

To the catastrophic events occurring within the African Tectonic Plate it has been known for over a year with the reporting of a “new ocean” forming in Ethiopia, and as we can read as reported by Nature News Service:

(2009)

[link to macedoniaonline.eu]

Why is the north magnetic pole racing toward Siberia?

But the NMP(North Magnetic Pole) drifts from year to year as geophysical processes within Earth change. For more than 150 years after Ross's measurement its movement was gradual, generally less than 15 kilometers per year. But then, in the 1990s, it picked up speed in a big way, bolting north–northwest into the Arctic Ocean at more than 55 kilometers per year

(2010)

[link to www.scientificamerican.com]

Global Eruption Rocks the Sun

It was so big, it may have shattered old ideas about solar activity

(2010)

[link to science.nasa.gov]

Terrifying scientific discovery:

Strange emissions by sun are suddenly mutating matter

(2010)

[link to www.projectworldawareness.com]

GLP thread on the subject

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Shift of Earth's magnetic north pole affects Tampa airport

Scientists say the magnetic north pole is moving toward Russia and the fallout has reached -- of all places -- Tampa International Airport

(2011)

[link to www2.tbo.com]

Magnetic North Pole Shifts, Forces Runway Closures at Florida Airport

[link to www.foxnews.com]

what do you think about all this?

Have we now started into the later stages of a polar reversal?

If you have any info that I have not listed, please post and I will update this as we have more information

[Mistydawn]

I caught the tail end of a New s Report tonight about a load of turtle doves falling to the ground dead. Has anone heard this? I didn't get where it happened or why.

[Sakari]

Millions of fish and thousands of birds dying suddenly around the world, and nothing is abnormal.

I see dead creatures and animals all the time - doesn`t bother me. I think nothing of it.

But when I see large numbers of animals suddenly rearing up - in multiple places around the globe and under mysterious circumstances...I get concerned - regardless of whatever the local and forum experts say.

That alone pretty much sum's up any debate you have.....You are saying even with facts showing " Millions of fish and thousands of birds dying suddenly around the world" happens every year , and has will be ignored , or not believed.

Really nothing more to debate on this for you....

Your answer is " I don't care what anyone else says "