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I caught the tail end of a New s Report tonight about a load of turtle doves falling to the ground dead. Has anone heard this? I didn't get where it happened or why.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/8246678/More-than-1000-turtle-doves-fall-from-the-sky-in-Italy-in-latest-mass-bird-death-case.html

Dont worry though its completely normal, nothing to see here!!! :lol:

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That alone pretty much sum's up any debate you have.....You are saying even with facts showing " Millions of fish and thousands of birds dying suddenly around the world" happens every year , and has will be ignored , or not believed.

Really nothing more to debate on this for you....

Your answer is " I don't care what anyone else says "

Yep 9/11 was by al-qaeda

JFK was assasinated (perfectly innocent it was on the news so must be right)

And Bill Clinton "never had any sexual realtions with that woman"

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Yep

http://www.telegraph...death-case.html

Dont worry though its completely normal, nothing to see here!!! :lol:

This is common is it? and lots of dead fish too? Does this really happen so regularly and there has been no documented scientific reason for it? I read on another post that it may just be being highlighted as a kind of thrill-stirrer for the New Year, but really, it's all new News to me!

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I caught the tail end of a New s Report tonight about a load of turtle doves falling to the ground dead. Has anone heard this? I didn't get where it happened or why.

That one is buried back some where here....The results for that kill will not be in for about a week.....But , it looks like :

GeaPress suggests that the blue stains found in mouths of the dead and dying birds in Italy could be the result of poisoning or possibly signs of hypoxia.

This is the " Bandwagon " effect....The Arkansas kill , that was rare ( for the reason it happened ) sparked a bunch of people to start Googling about bird and fish kills...More happen , and people freak out....

What people are not doing ( the news is now , and Biologists have been ) is Googling to see past fish and bird kills , to see if this is common or not......It is.

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I caught the tail end of a New s Report tonight about a load of turtle doves falling to the ground dead. Has anone heard this? I didn't get where it happened or why.

Those were the doves I mentioned in my post. These birds had blue on their beaks. Right now the debate is whether they were poisoned or not. There are only a few things that will cause "blue-beak" naturally, so really there are only two options open. Either a nutcase is agitating the doomsdayers by poisoning birds, or it is hypoxia, which could happen if the birds managed their way up too high in the atmosphere or a few other reasons.

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This is common is it? and lots of dead fish too? Does this really happen so regularly and there has been no documented scientific reason for it? I read on another post that it may just be being highlighted as a kind of thrill-stirrer for the New Year, but really, it's all new News to me!

There has been documented scientific reason for it....I have put numerous links and information stating that.....The link below is a good " short " answer for you.If you need even more facts , go back through my replies...

Since the 1970s, the U.S. Geological Survey's National Wildlife Health Center in Wisconsin has tracked mass deaths among birds, fish and other critters, said wildlife disease specialist LeAnn White. At times the sky and the streams just turn deadly. Sometimes it's disease, sometimes pollution. Other times it's just a mystery.

In the past eight months, the USGS has logged 95 mass wildlife die-offs in North America and that's probably a dramatic undercount, White said. The list includes 900 some turkey vultures that seemed to drown and starve in the Florida Keys, 4,300 ducks killed by parasites in Minnesota, 1,500 salamanders done in by a virus in Idaho, 2,000 bats that died of rabies in Texas, and the still mysterious death of 2,750 sea birds in California.

On average, 163 such events are reported to the federal government each year, according to USGS records. And there have been much larger die-offs than the 3,000 blackbirds in Arkansas. Twice in the summer of 1996, more than 100,000 ducks died of botulism in Canada.

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After re-reading this it occured to me what is happening here....The facts are there that this is common , what is happening is as i stated , people are now Googling similar events , and not seeing the big picture......

From above "In the past eight months, the USGS has logged 95 mass wildlife die-offs in North America" .........

We are going to be replying back in forth for at least 95 die-offs , each found one at a time by someone trying to add fuel to nothing new , for the simple fact people are not seeing all of this.....I have a head ache.

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That one is buried back some where here....The results for that kill will not be in for about a week.....But , it looks like :

This is the " Bandwagon " effect....The Arkansas kill , that was rare ( for the reason it happened ) sparked a bunch of people to start Googling about bird and fish kills...More happen , and people freak out....

What people are not doing ( the news is now , and Biologists have been ) is Googling to see past fish and bird kills , to see if this is common or not......It is.

I actually agree with this to a point.

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Those were the doves I mentioned in my post. These birds had blue on their beaks. Right now the debate is whether they were poisoned or not. There are only a few things that will cause "blue-beak" naturally, so really there are only two options open. Either a nutcase is agitating the doomsdayers by poisoning birds, or it is hypoxia, which could happen if the birds managed their way up too high in the atmosphere or a few other reasons.

This is a problem as well, doomsdayer mongers!

But I guess the blue on the beaks is a indicator.

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There has been documented scientific reason for it....I have put numerous links and information stating that.....The link below is a good " short " answer for you.If you need even more facts , go back through my replies...

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After re-reading this it occured to me what is happening here....The facts are there that this is common , what is happening is as i stated , people are now Googling similar events , and not seeing the big picture......

From above "In the past eight months, the USGS has logged 95 mass wildlife die-offs in North America" .........

We are going to be replying back in forth for at least 95 die-offs , each found one at a time by someone trying to add fuel to nothing new , for the simple fact people are not seeing all of this.....I have a head ache.

OBVIOUSLY there has been deaths of animals throughout history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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OBVIOUSLY there has been deaths of animals throughout history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you argue just to argue?

Now you have switched gears , and you are avoiding my questions I had to you....

So , if it is so obvious , why then were you so sure this was " not normal " ??????????

Do I have you mixed up with someone else that claimed that?If I do , I am sorry about that.

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Do you argue just to argue?

Now you have switched gears , and you are avoiding my questions I had to you....

So , if it is so obvious , why then were you so sure this was " not normal " ??????????

Do I have you mixed up with someone else that claimed that?

what planet are you on?

Its obvious animals have died BUT NOT ON THIS SCALE.

Your such a smart ase

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what planet are you on?

Its obvious animals have died BUT NOT ON THIS SCALE.

Your such a smart ase

Thank you , I consider myself pretty smart.....

You are showing your ignorance again....How many documents do I need to show you that yes , on this scale , and more.....Hell , the quote you got from me even tells you there have been bigger kills on the red winged black birds...

Let me put the part here you so conveniently left out :

On average, 163 such events are reported to the federal government each year, according to USGS records. And there have been much larger die-offs than the 3,000 blackbirds in Arkansas. Twice in the summer of 1996, more than 100,000 ducks died of botulism in Canada.

Start posting facts and not opinions......Or at least try to support your opinions ( wrong ones ) with facts...back them up.

Again , I back up my claims with evidence and facts , you post pure opinions that have no basis at all......Come on , you can try to do better then this , can't you?

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Thank you , I consider myself pretty smart.....

You are showing your ignorance again....How many documents do I need to show you that yes , on this scale , and more.....Hell , the quote you got from me even tells you there have been bigger kills on the red winged black birds...

Let me put the part here you so conveniently left out :

Start posting facts and not opinions......Or at least try to support your opinions ( wrong ones ) with facts...back them up.

Again , I back up my claims with evidence and facts , you post pure opinions that have no basis at all......Come on , you can try to do better then this , can't you?

I find you very annoying and condescending.

I have posted a full list to this forum over 20+ occasio.ns of deaths, a map of the world showing all the deaths for ease of use and you say I just post my opinions.

And various othe links to news stories

I have posted facts!!!

What I cannot cope with is your pig headed, head up your own ase attitude.

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what planet are you on?

Its obvious animals have died BUT NOT ON THIS SCALE.

And you have the data and relevant expertise to claim this? When those that do have the data and relevant expertise are saying the opposite? Just because you may not have been aware of the multitudes of animal deaths doesn't mean that those whose job it is to watch such things aren't.

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I find you very annoying and condescending.

I have posted a full list to this forum over 20+ occasio.ns of deaths, a map of the world showing all the deaths for ease of use and you say I just post my opinions.

And various othe links to news stories

I have posted facts!!!

What I cannot cope with is your pig headed, head up your own ase attitude.

Look , I promised a Mod I would report when someone is being like you are , and not argue and through the topic off..You keep digging your hole deeper.I replied to your list , with answers , did you read it?....Have I called you names?....Again , let me spend time going back and finding your answer , that I all ready answered....Than I will go ahead and report...

I was debating with you , not arguing , not throwing insults....I asked you to give facts to your opinions ( opinions that were wrong to the facts )....Your opinions are mis-leading , and contradict any factual answers to questions people ask.

Before I paste my reply to your " list " , let me remind you , you did answer it , and that answer was far less aggressive and more mature then this one was :

Ok I will have a look at this in detail for now Im off to play football (or at least try) and will have to do this later. (thats soccer to you)

Here is what I had replied to your list....

First you asked me to reply to it , in your nice way :

Ok Hot shot

Give us an explanation for EVERY single incident around the globe.

So , I did :

Ok , here is my deal , I have copied /pasted all of your links and stories , I am going to give you some general information now , and answer SOME of the ones you posted.I do not have time to sit here for each one today.

Thing you are doing with this is adding credibility to the fact that this is NOT UNCOMMON , and I thank you for that....So , let me start with " general facts" , than I will answer a few of your links....Make me a deal , you keep track of what has been answered and what has not , and keep everyone informed....Deal?.....Because I for one get sick of repeating myself.

Fish Kills -

They're not new. They're not that unusual. The current grouping of fish kills in a number of places may well be a news event, rather than some sort of nefarious thing. Every once in a while, a fish kill occurs at a time when something else is going on. This sends the news reporters off to Google, where they can always find numerous stories of fish kills somewhere that happened about the same time.

Check this link, which is a Google image search for fish kill. Hover over the images to get links to the stories of each image. It's clear that fish kills are a common enough phenomenon and occur regularly. They are not necessarily a sign of something dire and man-made. It takes some time to investigate one of these events to find out what actually caused it.

http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&biw=13...

Here's a chart that shows some of the reasons for these disturbing fish kills. Note: DO means Dissolved Oxygen.

causes-fish-kills.jpg

My link

Bird Kills-

Ok , this list is not as long as yours , and answers some of your links , and shows just how common bird kills are.....As said , I will try to go through your list , but after looking , I see you have one that has 3 birds killed?....Really , 3?

Anyway , here is a start for you...

The purpose of this document is to increase public awareness of the potential impacts of towers and other human-made structures by highlighting some of the pertinent literature on the subject. The bibliography focuses primarily on collisions with communication towers, lighted buildings, and (to a lesser degree) windows. No effort has been made to cover collisions with power lines or wind turbines, topics that have been addressed by Bevanger (1994) and Hebert et al. (1995).

Previous bibliographies on the subject of bird collisions with human-made objects have been prepared by Weir (1976), Avery et al. (1978), Avery et al. (1980), Hebert et al. (1995), and the National Wind Technology Center (n.d.). This document is intended to supplement, not duplicate, these earlier publications. Of the 125 citations listed below, 83 were published subsequent to Avery et al. (1980) and 102 were not included in Hebert et al. (1995); 24 of the citations are to Internet sites.

If you are aware of other references published since 1979 that you think should be added to this bibliography, please send that information to John L. Trapp mailto:john_trapp@mail.fws.gov.

Alphabetical Listing by Author

Able, K. P. 1966. Television tower mortality near Louisville [Kentucky]. Kentucky Warbler 42: 27-28.

Mortality of 25 individuals of 14 species (including 13 warblers of 8 species) on 5 nights, 14 September-23 October 1965, at 973-ft WHAS-TV tower in Floyd County, Indiana, "is apparently the first migrant mortality due to such a structure in the Louisville region."

Able, K. P. 1968. Connecticut Warblers in the Louisville [Kentucky] area in autumn. Kentucky Warbler 44: 3-4.

Two recent specimens (females collected 22 September 1967 in Jefferson County; and 7 October 1967 in Floyd County, Indiana--1 of 78 birds killed at WHAS-TV tower) indicates that species may not be as rare in Kentucky in fall as paucity of records (1 previous specimen) suggest.

Anonymous. n.d. Towerkill.Com. <http://towerkill.com>. Accessed 2 June 1998.

The stated goal of this site to "serve as an information resource on the towerkill problem and to promote cooperative solutions for mitigating the needless slaughter of millions of songbirds every year." A brief historical overview of the issue is provided, and clickable maps depict the locations of communication towers of different size classes in each of the 48 contiguous United States. Also includes a bulletin board feature.

Anonymous. 1998a (29 January). Bad weather causes syracuse bird kill: as many as 10,000 common Lapland Longspurs apparently crashed into radio towers in fog. Wichita [Kansas] Eagle. <http://newslibrary.infi.net/wichita/>. Choose "The Wichita Eagle," click on "Go," scroll to "Newspaper Search," enter "longspur" as a search word, select "1998" as the search year, click on "Search," and scroll to "Search Results." Accessed 9 June 1998.

This synopsis of a 375-word article notes that a combination of fog, snow, and radio transmission towers near Syracuse, Kansas, was responsible for one of the State's largest bird kills, when 5,000-10,000 longspurs crashed into guy wires around the towers as they milled about the clearance lights on 22 January 1998. The complete article is accessible only to registered subscribers of NewsLibrary.

Anonymous. 1998b (30 January). Mid-America. Kansas City [Kansas] Star. <http://www.kcstar.com/library/library.htm>. Enter "longspur" as a search word, select "Metropolitan" section and "Library '98" search collection, click on "Search," click on text icon, click on "OK," and scroll to "Bird kill." Accessed 8 June 1998.

An estimated 5,000-10,000 Lapland Longspurs were reportedly killed as they crashed into the guy wires of lighted radio transmission towers near Syracuse, Kansas. The kill, termed "one of the largest ever in Kansas" by State wildlife officials, apparently occurred 22 January 1998 when the guy wires were obscured by fog and blowing snow. Specimens collected will be studied by scientists from Southwestern College and Kansas State University.

Anonymous. 1998c (20 February). Telecommunications towers affect avian community. WaveGuide. <http://www.cruzio.com/~rbedard/waveguide/birdkill.html>. Accessed 3 June 1998.

Includes full text of message by Bill Evans <bill@ornith.cornell.edu> dated 17 February 1998 (Subject: 150 pounds of longspurs). Evans reports an estimated kill of 5,000-10,000 birds, mostly Lapland Longspurs, in vicinity of 420-ft tower in western Kansas on the night of 22 January 1998 (also see Anonymous 29 January 1998 and Anonymous 30 January 1998), and reviews impacts of towers on birds.

Avery, M., P. F. Springer, and J. F. Cassel. 1977. Weather influences on nocturnal bird mortality at a North Dakota tower. Wilson Bull. 89: 291-299.

At a 366-m tower in southeastern North Dakota, most fall losses occurred under overcast skies, 1972-1973. Rails were killed in relatively equal proportions on overcast and non-overcast night in both spring and fall, Warblers were killed in significantly greater numbers on overcast nights in both seasons, as were fringillids in fall.

Avery, M. L., P. F., Springer, and N. S. Dailey. 1978. Avian mortality at man-made structures: an annotated bibliography. U.S. Fish Wildl. Serv. FWS/OBS-78/58, 108 pp.

Annotated bibiliography of 853 references pertaining to bird mortality due to collision and electrocution at human-made structures such as power transmission lines, radio and TV towers, lighthouses, cooling towers, buildings, and airport ceilometers. Includes subject, taxonomic, and geographic indexes. Revised in 1980 (see Avery et al. 1980).

Avery, M. L., P. F. Springer, and N. S. Dailey. 1980. Avian mortality at man-made structures: an annotated bibliography (revised). U.S. Fish Wildl. Serv. FWS/OBS-80/54, 152 pp.

Compilation of 1,042 references through February 1980, including 189 not in the original publication (Avery et al. 1978). Includes subject, taxonomic, and geographic indexes.

Avise, J. C., and R. L. Crawford. 1981. A matter of lights and death. Nat. Hist. 90: 6-14.

This popular account, which draws heavily on data gathered at the WCTV tower in Leon County, Florida, emphasizes the beneficial uses made of tower-killed birds in a variety of scientific investigations.

Ball, L. G., K. Zyskowski, and G. Escalona-Segura. 1995. Recent bird mortality at a Topeka [Kansas] television tower. Kansas Ornithol. Soc. Bull. 46: 33-36.

Summarize 4 major mortality events at a 439-m KTKA-TV tower in Shawnee County: 919 individuals of 54 species, 25-26 September 1985; 635 individuals of 49 species, 30 September-1 October 1986; 834 individuals of 64 species, 11-12 October 1986; 420 individuals of 45 species, 8-9 October 1994; cumulative totals of 2,808 individuals of 91 species. Gray Catbird and Sora were the most abundant species on both September dates, while Orange-crowned Warbler dominated on the October dates.

Banks, R. C. 1979. Human-related mortality of birds in the United States. U.S. Fish Wildl. Serv. Spec. Sci. Rep.--Wildl. 215, 16 pp.

In early 1970s, human activity was estimated to be responsible for death of ca. 196 million birds/yr, or ca. 1.9% of wild birds of continental U.S. that died each year. Hunting was the largest direct mortality factor, accounting for ca. 61% of human-related bird deaths. Collision with human-made objects was the greatest indirect human cause of avian deaths, accounting for ca. 32% of human-related deaths.

Barbour, R. W. 1961. An unusual bird mortality at Lexington [Kentucky]. Kentucky Warbler 37: 55.

Reports tally of 82 birds of 21 species (Red-eyed Vireo most abundant) at 670-ft TV tower in Fayette County, 8 May 1961.

Barkley, R., C. Elk, and J. Palmquist. 1977. Recent TV tower kills at Goodland, Kansas. Kansas Ornithol. Soc. Bull. 28: 10-12.

Of 390 birds of 30 species found dead at 700-ft KLOE-TV tower in Sherman County, 28-30 August 1976, 40% were Yellow-headed Blackbirds and Wilson's Warblers.

My link

Here is a link with a chart that shows reasons for 1400 Million Bird Deaths a year ( it will not let me post image )

http://books.google....mmon%3F&f=false

My link

Now, let me start with your list ( some are answered in link I gave above )

Arizona

QTY >65

Type: Bats

Suspected cause : Weather

Actual Cause : warm temperatures in the city.

Game and Fish officials say the bats are Mexican free-tailed and should have migrated to Mexico two months ago.

Louisiana

QTY 500

Type: Starlings and Blackbirds

Suspected Cause : Weather

Actual: Bird Flu Found

Arkansas

QTY ~5000

Type: Blackbird, Starling, Grackle

Suspected Cause : weather/fireworks

Actual Cause : Fireworks spooked Roost at Night / Blunt force Trauma

East Texas

QTY: 100's

Suspected Cause: birds got hit by motor vehicles<br style=""> <br style="">Actual Cause : Birds Hit by cars / Common Occurrence yearly

Georgia

QTY: 3

Links:>>>>>>>>>> Not wasting my time for 3 birds , come on , really?

I am stopping there for now....Do you realise most of the links you gave have the most logical ( and probably the answer ) on them?.....Either way , does not matter.

I have other things to do now , and I would hope this is enough to substantiate my facts that this is not un common.....

Best way I can say this is quoting another :

If it wasn't for the internet and instantaneous info overload, there would be NO correlation between all of these events.

Sporadic at best and reported in isolated news outlets that no one would be the wiser or informed of the other.

I hope this time and effort is not for nothing , and is actually read through , and ingested into peoples brains.

I think it would be hard to debate this , I gave facts , I spent time to get facts , and not just make claims.I supported my statements with facts , now let's all do the same with your " Theories "....

And as I asked you , can you keep track of this for me , so everyone can see it?

I will be reminding people to read it for future questions....

The original post of your list was your " opinion " on how this is a Government conspiracy " and how " all of these kills are strange"....

I did what you asked , I found your answers ( and spent quite a long time doing it )

What you are doing now is just arguing to argue....

You keep coming back with the same questions that you know have been answered with facts.

You have stated numerous times that you " will not believe anything reported by the Government ".....

If this is the case , why can't you just leave it at that?......Fine , you will not believe any of the answers then.

Do you really think everyone else feels that way?.....Nope , believe it or not , some people do read through these threads and actually do like to see facts , and get answers.

It is hard to do that when you just keep " arguing to argue "......

Again , I ask , with all do respect , please try to remember what has been answered to you , if you have a opinion , back it up with some facts , or just state it is your opinion.If it is just a opinion , leave it at that....

You can't keep trying to change facts with opinions , because you do not like the facts.....I can't even do that , and I won't.

So , deal?

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Sakari, you related to Bill Nye by any chance? ;)

LOL...

Nah , just un-employed , and after my daily morning job searching , and Salmon run is done , I just have nothing better to do while I sit around waiting for that saving phone call....

I guess I could sit here and drink beer , sit on the porch with a Banjo :)

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The cause at the very bottom of the chart gave me an image in my head of a nasty dirty individual skinny dipping and fish floating to the surface as a result. :w00t:

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The cause at the very bottom of the chart gave me an image in my head of a nasty dirty individual skinny dipping and fish floating to the surface as a result. :w00t:

:tu:

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My question to you especially to biologists, physicists...

Can some low-frequency noise be malicious to the bird?

Or low-frequency EM-field?

What killed Bees before few years?

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as i said before, maybe genetically modified food has something to do with this, well take a look at this.

Food that Produces Poison

GM corn and cotton are engineered to produce a built-in pesticide called Bt-toxin—produced from soil bacteria Bacillus thuringiensis. When bugs bite the plant, poison splits open their stomach and kills them. Organic farmers and others use natural Bt bacteria spray for insect control, so biotech companies claim that Bt-toxin must be safe.

The Bt-toxin produced in GM plants, however, is thousands of times more concentrated than natural Bt spray. It is designed to be more toxic,9 has properties of an allergen, and cannot be washed off the plant.

Moreover, studies confirm that even the less toxic natural spray can be harmful. When dispersed by planes to kill gypsy moths in Washington and Vancouver, about 500 people reported allergy or flu-like symptoms.10,11 The same symptoms are now reported by farm workers from handling Bt cotton throughout India.12

and this

Animals Dying in Large Numbers

In India, animals graze on cotton plants after harvest. But when shepherds let sheep graze on Bt cotton plants, thousands died. Investigators said preliminary evidence "strongly suggests that the sheep mortality was due to a toxin. . . . most probably Bt-toxin."18 In one small study, all sheep fed Bt cotton plants died; those fed natural plants remained healthy.

In an Andhra Pradesh village, buffalo grazed on cotton plants for eight years without incident. On January 3rd, 2008, 13 buffalo grazed on Bt cotton plants for the first time. All died within three days.19

Bt corn is also implicated in the deaths of cows in Germany, and horses, water buffaloes, and chickens in the Philippines.20 In lab studies, twice the number of chickens fed Liberty Link corn died; 7 of 40 rats fed a GM tomato died within two weeks.21

heres the link but you have to make an account to access it.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/03/25/doctors-warn-avoid-genetically-modified-food.aspx

i don't know how good of a source this website is but its the first one that popped up when i did the search, i'm gonna research this more and i'll post later, tell me what you guys think.

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A witness told www. examiner. com: \'We have no idea why this happened all of a sudden. \r\n\'The doves just started falling one-by-one then in groups of 10s and 20s. \'\r\n\r\n\r\n

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This is disturbing. Having something to do with the magnetic field would make sense. Hopefully more facts will come to light.

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as i said before, maybe genetically modified food has something to do with this, well take a look at this.

Food that Produces Poison

GM corn and cotton are engineered to produce a built-in pesticide called Bt-toxin—produced from soil bacteria Bacillus thuringiensis. When bugs bite the plant, poison splits open their stomach and kills them. Organic farmers and others use natural Bt bacteria spray for insect control, so biotech companies claim that Bt-toxin must be safe.

The Bt-toxin produced in GM plants, however, is thousands of times more concentrated than natural Bt spray. It is designed to be more toxic,9 has properties of an allergen, and cannot be washed off the plant.

Moreover, studies confirm that even the less toxic natural spray can be harmful. When dispersed by planes to kill gypsy moths in Washington and Vancouver, about 500 people reported allergy or flu-like symptoms.10,11 The same symptoms are now reported by farm workers from handling Bt cotton throughout India.12

and this

Animals Dying in Large Numbers

In India, animals graze on cotton plants after harvest. But when shepherds let sheep graze on Bt cotton plants, thousands died. Investigators said preliminary evidence "strongly suggests that the sheep mortality was due to a toxin. . . . most probably Bt-toxin."18 In one small study, all sheep fed Bt cotton plants died; those fed natural plants remained healthy.

In an Andhra Pradesh village, buffalo grazed on cotton plants for eight years without incident. On January 3rd, 2008, 13 buffalo grazed on Bt cotton plants for the first time. All died within three days.19

Bt corn is also implicated in the deaths of cows in Germany, and horses, water buffaloes, and chickens in the Philippines.20 In lab studies, twice the number of chickens fed Liberty Link corn died; 7 of 40 rats fed a GM tomato died within two weeks.21

heres the link but you have to make an account to access it.

http://articles.merc...ified-food.aspx

i don't know how good of a source this website is but its the first one that popped up when i did the search, i'm gonna research this more and i'll post later, tell me what you guys think.

BT Toxin is not a " pesticide " , it is a Natural Protein ( toxin )

I am in no way saying I am any kind of expert or even close , just posting what I have found so far......So , from what I have read and what I am reading , I would say this has nothing to do with any of the deaths.

BT Toxin

Bacillus thuriengensis is a bacterium which is a natural enemy for the certain specific insects. It is now widely known as Bt. It produces toxic proteins which can kill insects. It is the most important bacteria to kill wide range of insects. More than 150 insects have been reported to be killed by these bacteria.

HOW Bt TOXINS KILL THE INSECTS?

The mechanism of killing the insects by means of Bt is quite interesting. The toxicity is actually resides in a large protein (toxin) .This bacteria produces different types of poisonous proteins which can kill only specific insects. Upon eating the poisonous protein, within 15 to 30 minutes, the poisons begin to create problems in the stomach and destroy there stomach lining. The insect stops eating and results in the death of insect.

USE OF Bt TOXINS FOR THE CONTROL OF INSECTS:

Bt toxin has been used in several ways to control the insects. A relatively simple way is to grow the Bt bacteria, dry out, and prepare the heat killed and dried bacteria in such a way that they can be sprayed on the crops .These preparations are initially highly effective, but the Bt toxins is not stable after product is sprayed on plants .The Bt toxins crystals are released from bacterium and quickly disappear from plants.

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Keep in mind with things such as this :

Autism was being linked to " Vaccines " for a while now , from a report and study done.....Millions of people trusted that report.

As you may have seen in the recent News , that study and report had been " modified " by the Author , and was all a lie.

When it comes to Chemicals , and Vaccines , and " things that cause Cancer " type stuff , it is a very touchy , and I admit , hard to believe thing either way.

One year Chicken is bad for you , another Year it is good for you. :)

Edit to add :

Well , depends where you read about this stuff.....Could be a entire Topic itself :)

Below is a complete opposite of my above quote....

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<h3>The mode of action of Bt toxins

A new study (Broderick et al. 2006) even shows that the assumed mode of action of the Bt toxin so far has not been understood, and that in fact gut bacteria might be required for the toxic effect. This however means that there is no simple dose-response relationship between toxin and effect.

It is also not clear whether the different versions of the Bt protein in the different Bt maize events have the same effects or whether the differences in size of the protein have different effects.

In general the concentration of the Bt toxin in specific parts of the plant is not determined or monitored.

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