The Silver Thong Posted January 8, 2011 #576 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Any one of the theories put forward could be true. Interesting video though. http://video.godlikeproductions.com/video/Magnetic_Polar_Caps_Shifting_-_Finally_Mainstream_Waking_Up A pole shift even a complete pole shift would not kill all these birds in such a short time span let alone over night. What may happen with the moving pole is that birds maybe even fish will migrate to places that does not have what they need to survive aka not enough food to support large flocks not enough water ect. The pole moving as it is right now does not explain this. Nor can I say Sakari has hit the bulls-eye and solved this. The doves dropping in Spain does add another level to the mystery. Media and governments alike especially governments will jump on the easiest explanations and the media follows. I think it's to early to say we have an absolute here so those that think they have the answer may very well not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakari Posted January 8, 2011 #577 Share Posted January 8, 2011 A pole shift even a complete pole shift would not kill all these birds in such a short time span let alone over night. What may happen with the moving pole is that birds maybe even fish will migrate to places that does not have what they need to survive aka not enough food to support large flocks not enough water ect. The pole moving as it is right now does not explain this. Nor can I say Sakari has hit the bulls-eye and solved this. The doves dropping in Spain does add another level to the mystery. Media and governments alike especially governments will jump on the easiest explanations and the media follows. I think it's to early to say we have an absolute here so those that think they have the answer may very well not. Ty TST , I wish everyone could post like this To clarify , I am only saying this is not un-common...I am not trying to solve each individual event.My only " point " that I am so anal on getting out is that these " mass kills " are not some new thing , not some Apoclypse or Doomsday , or 2012 thing...Mass kills are nothing new , and have been happening for a very long time , that is my main point here...Well , nor a Government Conspiracy either....I do think most of these cases have been solved , not all , and I do not plan on trying to solve them all , or show they were solved.....Wayyyyy to many of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanVonErich Posted January 8, 2011 #578 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Ty TST , I wish everyone could post like this To clarify , I am only saying this is not un-common...I am not trying to solve each individual event.My only " point " that I am so anal on getting out is that these " mass kills " are not some new thing , not some Apoclypse or Doomsday , or 2012 thing...Mass kills are nothing new , and have been happening for a very long time , that is my main point here... Very well said Sak, I agree. Nothing really special about that, Please people this is not signs of The end of the World, I'm sure there's a logical reason to all of this, don't panic ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted January 8, 2011 #579 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Very well said Sak, I agree. Nothing really special about that, Please people this is not signs of The end of the World, I'm sure there's a logical reason to all of this, don't panic ! We're all gonna die Jon! And then Stanton Friedman will write a book about the whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Thong Posted January 8, 2011 #580 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Ok, who ever said this was an end of the world thing does need a smack No reason to even go there as logic not superstition should be even considered. For all we know this could be the result of a new pesticide yet again speculation. Pesticides are often distributed or sold not to a local market. Saying that pesticides often effect more then there target audience so yes a hypothesis at best. I think we just need time as we all no test results are never as quick as we like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Thong Posted January 8, 2011 #581 Share Posted January 8, 2011 We're all gonna die Jon! And then Stanton Friedman will write a book about the whole thing. Wrong thread but do you honestly think Stanton Friedman is a fraud? I have my reservations about him but it sure beats the government swamp gas BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanVonErich Posted January 8, 2011 #582 Share Posted January 8, 2011 We're all gonna die Jon! And then Stanton Friedman will write a book about the whole thing. Haha we can really use that joke for any topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted January 8, 2011 #583 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Wrong thread but do you honestly think Stanton Friedman is a fraud? I have my reservations about him but it sure beats the government swamp gas BS It was a bit of an inside joke TST, sorry mate. But yeah, he's a joke. Not a fraud (well, mostly)... but definitely a joke. IMHO We can discuss the particulars elsewhere if you'd like. I'd welcome a good solid Friedman debate over this bird topic any day. Haha we can really use that joke for any topic. Without question my friend! Friedman jokes fit in just about any topic! Just like a good wine fits with almost any meal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Thong Posted January 8, 2011 #584 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I blame project blue book Or maybe HARP Ok your inside joke aside. What about pesticide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted January 8, 2011 #585 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I blame project blue book Or maybe HARP Ok your inside joke aside. What about pesticide? I think each instance has it's own prosaic (if sad, in a sense) explanation. Many of those explanations have been presented, but not all. I don't think they are related to each other and I'll hold onto that opinion until someone can prove otherwise. If someone can prove that they are related, I'll gladly and thankfully accept the valid information. So far, I haven't seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Thong Posted January 8, 2011 #586 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I think each instance has it's own prosaic (if sad, in a sense) explanation. Many of those explanations have been presented, but not all. I don't think they are related to each other and I'll hold onto that opinion until someone can prove otherwise. If someone can prove that they are related, I'll gladly and thankfully accept the valid information. So far, I haven't seen it. Pretty much agree as this does seem to be a leg hump due to media needing something to jump on. Fun thread though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanVonErich Posted January 8, 2011 #587 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I blame project blue book Or maybe HARP Ok your inside joke aside. What about pesticide? Me and my brother were talking about it this afternoon ( 60 birds were found dead near St-Augustin, about 30 minutes from where I live in Quebec ) and we agree that Pesticide can be the solution to this mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2F Posted January 8, 2011 #588 Share Posted January 8, 2011 While pesticides may be a factor for some of these animal deaths it would be best to examine individual cases to see if there is any connection. In my opinion a separate thread would be the best place for such a discussion as this thread covers the spectrum it seems. I know most people here understand this but I will state it again anyway, there are almost certainly a myriad of causes for these events including weather, disease, cold temparature exposure, fright/confusion (as in the Arkansas case) etc. etc. with even more possibilities that remain unsaid. To expand on that it means that any connection for all of these incidents seems very(x10) unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakari Posted January 8, 2011 #589 Share Posted January 8, 2011 While pesticides may be a factor for some of these animal deaths it would be best to examine individual cases to see if there is any connection. In my opinion a separate thread would be the best place for such a discussion as this thread covers the spectrum it seems. I know most people here understand this but I will state it again anyway, there are almost certainly a myriad of causes for these events including weather, disease, cold temparature exposure, fright/confusion (as in the Arkansas case) etc. etc. with even more possibilities that remain unsaid. To expand on that it means that any connection for all of these incidents seems very(x10) unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanVonErich Posted January 8, 2011 #590 Share Posted January 8, 2011 That many emoticons mean only one thing : Topic Closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakari Posted January 8, 2011 #591 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Ok, who ever said this was an end of the world thing does need a smack No reason to even go there as logic not superstition should be even considered. For all we know this could be the result of a new pesticide yet again speculation. Pesticides are often distributed or sold not to a local market. Saying that pesticides often effect more then there target audience so yes a hypothesis at best. I think we just need time as we all no test results are never as quick as we like. Only 1 thumbs up for not catching that most if not all past kills causes were found, only the more recent ones not solved yet ( some ), and a few older ones.....But hey , how could you find any of that information in this mess I think each instance has it's own prosaic (if sad, in a sense) explanation. Many of those explanations have been presented, but not all. I don't think they are related to each other and I'll hold onto that opinion until someone can prove otherwise. If someone can prove that they are related, I'll gladly and thankfully accept the valid information. So far, I haven't seen it. Boon did catch the information Me and my brother were talking about it this afternoon ( 60 birds were found dead near St-Augustin, about 30 minutes from where I live in Quebec ) and we agree that Pesticide can be the solution to this mystery. Sorry , 1 thumbs up , same as silver thongs reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanVonErich Posted January 8, 2011 #592 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Sorry , 1 thumbs up , same as silver thongs reason Thank for the thumb. We don't know what is the reason why the 80 birds ( it was 80, not 60 ) died in St-Augustin, Quebec, but some people talk about some kind of gas. We don't know the answer yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted January 8, 2011 #593 Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) Thank for the thumb. We don't know what is the reason why the 80 birds ( it was 80, not 60 ) died in St-Augustin, Quebec, but some people talk about some kind of gas. We don't know the answer yet. *prepost edit* Nevermind. Gas jokes are best left unsaid sometimes... But I will say this... If there is some kind of noxious gas which can account for that instance (evidence withholding), it is still a prosaic explanation for a singular event which further nullifies the notion that all of these deaths are related in some way. But then you'd know this if you had read Stanton's latest book, I Don't Care About Non-Fissionable Noxious Fumes. Post-Post Edit: Edited January 8, 2011 by booNyzarC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOS Posted January 8, 2011 #594 Share Posted January 8, 2011 After a deliberation and reading the past comments I missed over the night I have decided as the new person to leave this thread... sakari you try to dominate everything(control freak much?) constantly pushing your views onto others with sarcasm. im actually wondering if you have a life outside this forum. I wish you would step back and let others speak without jumping on them the second they post something,Because as a new person it was very unwelcoming. anyways im out everyone have a lovely evening I wont be back on this thread to hear whats said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanVonErich Posted January 8, 2011 #595 Share Posted January 8, 2011 But then you'd know this if you had read Stanton's latest book, I Don't Care About Non-Fissionable Noxious Fumes. Post-Post Edit: :lol: :w00t: Not even the real Stanton can come up with a great title like that !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted January 8, 2011 #596 Share Posted January 8, 2011 After a deliberation and reading the past comments I missed over the night I have decided as the new person to leave this thread... sakari you try to dominate everything(control freak much?) constantly pushing your views onto others with sarcasm. im actually wondering if you have a life outside this forum. I wish you would step back and let others speak without jumping on them the second they post something,Because as a new person it was very unwelcoming. anyways im out everyone have a lovely evening I wont be back on this thread to hear whats said. I am simultaneously shocked and saddened by your statements here. Sakari has always been a straight shooter as far as I've seen, and the last person to step on anyone's toes intentionally. I do hope that you'll reconsider but the ball is entirely in your court. Cheers NOS, I hope you have a great night and a great weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanVonErich Posted January 8, 2011 #597 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I am simultaneously shocked and saddened by your statements here. Sakari has always been a straight shooter as far as I've seen, and the last person to step on anyone's toes intentionally. I do hope that you'll reconsider but the ball is entirely in your court. Cheers NOS, I hope you have a great night and a great weekend. Yep, I agree that her statement was rough. NOS maybe you should try to know Sakari a little bit better before writing things like that, He's one of the most honest member of this community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakari Posted January 8, 2011 #598 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I am simultaneously shocked and saddened by your statements here. Sakari has always been a straight shooter as far as I've seen, and the last person to step on anyone's toes intentionally. I do hope that you'll reconsider but the ball is entirely in your court. Cheers NOS, I hope you have a great night and a great weekend. Yep, I agree that her statement was rough. NOS maybe you should try to know Sakari a little bit better before writing things like that, He's one of the most honest member of this community. It's ok guys , If NOS did read through , NOS would have seen the only things I posted were replies that were directed at me....I guess I am not allowed to debate , and reply to a question , or a statement saying I was wrong....No Biggie. NOS also does not realise that yes , I have no work life at the moment...Myself and the wife have one car , my wife had to get a min. wage job , so I am stuck in a house in Oregon , in the rain...Looking for work on the net and newspapers , and making phone calls... Nope , no life , so have plenty of time to do research , and reply to things directed at me or my replies. Sorry NOS , hope you read this....If you do , and know of any openings for work , please let me know,trust me , I want my life back more than anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOS Posted January 8, 2011 #599 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I did not mean for it to sound rough guys, but as a new person here who is trying to make new friends and learn from this place its hard to do so when he jumps on every post I make.I mentioned a movie i had seen and he asked if i was being sarcastic when it was but idle chit chat. I did not say he is a bad person he is nice in private messages and on boards I just felt like i should leave the thread as it started to bother me. anyways have a good night not here to make waves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted January 8, 2011 #600 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I did not mean for it to sound rough guys, but as a new person here who is trying to make new friends and learn from this place its hard to do so when he jumps on every post I make.I mentioned a movie i had seen and he asked if i was being sarcastic when it was but idle chit chat. I did not say he is a bad person he is nice in private messages and on boards I just felt like i should leave the thread as it started to bother me. anyways have a good night not here to make waves First of all NOS, welcome to UM. I don't know if you've received a proper welcome or not, so here is a proper welcome. Your perspective and thoughts are greatly appreciated. I think that it is likely that any frustration you've seen from Sakari was likely overflow from the obtuse responses he has been getting from the very beginning of this thread. He answered this on page 1 with a hypothetical explanation, then substantiated it on page 3, and continued to explain it page after page with more and more information. Surely you can see how the willful ignorance of so many might wear on even the most virtuous of intentions. I certainly hope so anyway. I'd attribute this whole thing to something like collateral damage, but it doesn't really apply. Each of us, whether new or old, has a responsibility to be informed about a topic when responding to it. Mentioning a movie without fully clarifying intent in the midst of a heated debate (as this thread has been, for some odd reason) may not clearly convey intention. It is good that you are clarifying that intention now, for the sake of general understanding. But perhaps that wasn't initially clear in the context and moment of the discussion. I'd have to go back and look to be sure, and admittedly I haven't and likely won't. The point is, Sakari is a great guy who most likely didn't intend you any wrong. Please do stick with the thread and forum overall. You are most welcome here and any misunderstanding is simply that - misunderstanding. Side note: I've had a pretty rough week myself, overall, so I may not be expressing myself as clearly as the situation deserves. Apologies for that, if that is the case. I hope the spirit of what I'm trying to say comes through though; Truly, welcome to UM and thank you for your perspective and contributions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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