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Vote to Repeal Obamacare Passes 245-189

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Karlis
As its first major act, the new Republican majority in the House of Representatives voted today on a bill promising the complete repeal of Obamacare. The bill passed with a unanimous Republican vote along with the support of three House Democrats, proving that the demand to repeal Obamacare is a real, bipartisan fight that will lead to a serious debate in the Senate. arrow3.gifRead more...

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Cradle of Fish

Three democrats and 245 republicans makes it bipartisan now?

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Wickian

Those votes are all pointless in terms of actual results. I'm waiting for the Supreme Court to judge the mandate unconstitutional.

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danielost

so now the house vote is none important, we are ruled from the supreme court.

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Br Cornelius

It staggers me that you Americans would be so against a health care reform which would allow the large minority of American citizens access to some form of health provision. At the moment if you can afford health care insurance you have one of the best health services in the world. If you are locked out of health insurance (as an increasing number are) you die or receive substandard emergency provision.

In Britain and almost all of Europe you are equally entitled to the same health care regardless of your status. I ask you, should you expect to die because you cannot afford health insurance - its hardly very civilised.

Br Cornelius

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It staggers me that you Americans would be so against a health care reform which would allow the large minority of American citizens access to some form of health provision. At the moment if you can afford health care insurance you have one of the best health services in the world. If you are locked out of health insurance (as an increasing number are) you die or receive substandard emergency provision.

In Britain and almost all of Europe you are equally entitled to the same health care regardless of your status. I ask you, should you expect to die because you cannot afford health insurance - its hardly very civilised.

Br Cornelius

It is quite simple, most prefer the known illness to the unknown cure...and the rest got theirs (sometimes at the expense of those who have not) and could not care about anybody else but are sure fast in yaddahing about community and nation.

My advice? If you want healthcare for all move to Puerto Rico, many fortune 500 companies have already moved their headquarters there because they are tired of the CONUS crap.

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preacherman76

It staggers me that you Americans would be so against a health care reform which would allow the large minority of American citizens access to some form of health provision. At the moment if you can afford health care insurance you have one of the best health services in the world. If you are locked out of health insurance (as an increasing number are) you die or receive substandard emergency provision.

In Britain and almost all of Europe you are equally entitled to the same health care regardless of your status. I ask you, should you expect to die because you cannot afford health insurance - its hardly very civilised.

Br Cornelius

The problem as I see it BR is 2 fold. #1 this bill does nothing to cut costs. In fact, insurance companies started raising prices at the very idea of this bill. My insurance got raised to the point I can hardly afford it. Which brings me to the second problem, soon I wont be able to drop it even if I had to. In Europe, you guys pay a tax for health care, and pay a fraction of what we pay here. Here we will have to buy insurance from a for profit business, mandated by the government.

We can fix the problems here easy. But the main obsticle to climb is lobbiest who control this government.

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danielost

It staggers me that you Americans would be so against a health care reform which would allow the large minority of American citizens access to some form of health provision. At the moment if you can afford health care insurance you have one of the best health services in the world. If you are locked out of health insurance (as an increasing number are) you die or receive substandard emergency provision.

In Britain and almost all of Europe you are equally entitled to the same health care regardless of your status. I ask you, should you expect to die because you cannot afford health insurance - its hardly very civilised.

Br Cornelius

we already have such a system in place, all it needed was expanded. obama care wasnt about helping people, it was about helping the insurance companies in the short term and forcing everyone on to it in the long term.

almost ever democratic program is designed to do that or keep the status quo. for instance, unemployment keeps paying you until you get a job. the second you report that you have a job they cut you off doesnt matter that you wont get paid for a month or 2 weeks. of course when your time runs out they cut you off anyways. my roommates time had run out two months ago, they started sending her money on the first again.

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supervike

It staggers me that you Americans would be so against a health care reform which would allow the large minority of American citizens access to some form of health provision. At the moment if you can afford health care insurance you have one of the best health services in the world. If you are locked out of health insurance (as an increasing number are) you die or receive substandard emergency provision.

In Britain and almost all of Europe you are equally entitled to the same health care regardless of your status. I ask you, should you expect to die because you cannot afford health insurance - its hardly very civilised.

Br Cornelius

Don't paint all Americans as being against it.

Rational ones know that the current Health Care system is spiraling out of control, and reform is badly needed.

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danielost

Don't paint all Americans as being against it.

Rational ones know that the current Health Care system is spiraling out of control, and reform is badly needed.

yes we do, but we dont want government to control it.

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yes we do, but we dont want government to control it.

.. but then depend on the government for direct or indirect handouts.

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danielost

.. but then depend on the government for direct or indirect handouts.

the government doesnt control what i do with that money, just how much i get which is only right since their giving it too me.

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the government doesnt control what i do with that money, just how much i get which is only right since their giving it too me.

Right, 'cause to the contrary of a normal person you don't pay any taxes.

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OverSword

It staggers me that you Americans would be so against a health care reform which would allow the large minority of American citizens access to some form of health provision. At the moment if you can afford health care insurance you have one of the best health services in the world. If you are locked out of health insurance (as an increasing number are) you die or receive substandard emergency provision.

In Britain and almost all of Europe you are equally entitled to the same health care regardless of your status. I ask you, should you expect to die because you cannot afford health insurance - its hardly very civilised.

Br Cornelius

BR, the problem is that what the government plan does is mandate that we must buy health insurance from an independantly owned, for-profit insurance company. The other thing the bill did was to mandate certain coverages making operational costs for insurance companies sky-rocket. That cost, of course is shifted to the consumer. So all our "healthcare reform" does is guarantee profit for big industry, not improved or universal healthcare for all.

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Agent X

Which doesn't matter because people have to do something to feel good.

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Leonardo

BR, the problem is that what the government plan does is mandate that we must buy health insurance from an independantly owned, for-profit insurance company.

Serious question, but was that the case with the original form of the Healthcare Bill, or was it included after the Republicans - and Blue Dogs - indicated they would not vote for Healthcare reform unless changes were made to the original Bill?

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Corp

we already have such a system in place, all it needed was expanded. obama care wasnt about helping people, it was about helping the insurance companies in the short term and forcing everyone on to it in the long term.

Than why was everyone screaming socialism when it was about helping private companies?

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supervike

Than why was everyone screaming socialism when it was about helping private companies?

*pulls up chair, awaiting answer*

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Leonardo

Than why was everyone screaming socialism when it was about helping private companies?

I believe the Healthcare Reform Bill, in it's original form, called for the provision of Health Insurance by the Government with the aim to aid in reducing the cost of health insurance by providing non-profit competition for the private companies.

Of course, those corporations, and those politicians they kept as lobby-pets, screamed blue murder about this, and raised the spectre of socialism in an effort to protect their profits.

Hence, the Bill was reworked to pass the initial reading. Dropping the provision of insurance by Government and maintaining the grip of the private sector on the consumer.

Now, of course, the private companies have used this 'scare' to raise their prices and ensure that Healthcare Reform never happens.

This is my understanding and why I asked the question a few posts back about the original Bill.

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danielost

Right, 'cause to the contrary of a normal person you don't pay any taxes.

wrong on several accounts. i do pay taxes, and i payed my taxes when i worked. and normal people dont pay taxes just the rich.

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Karlis

~~~ ... i do pay taxes, and i payed my taxes when i worked. and normal people dont pay taxes just the rich.

Daniel, are you one of the rich people that you mention? How do you work out the difference between normal people and rich people?

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Br Cornelius

I think from what I have read here, the corporate lobbyists have shafted you again. The irony seems to be that the right wing is selling you this line as a favour to the people.

Br Cornelius

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conspiracybeliever

wrong on several accounts. i do pay taxes, and i payed my taxes when i worked. and normal people dont pay taxes just the rich.

Were you rich when you worked? You just said only the rich pay taxes but when you worked you paid taxes. :blink:

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Heru

Crack down on lawsuits, medical costs, specialy drugs and you would have affordable health care. You shouldnt need health insurance for health care. Health insurace should be for major long-term diseases, like cancer. Affordable health care means if something happens to you you could pay for health care out of your pocket. Now chronic diseases, or medical help that would take years to cure or may never cure, health insurance would kick in.

To sum it up having to pay into health insurance doesnt equal affordable health care.

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Copasetic

Crack down on lawsuits, medical costs, specialy drugs and you would have affordable health care. You shouldnt need health insurance for health care. Health insurace should be for major long-term diseases, like cancer. Affordable health care means if something happens to you you could pay for health care out of your pocket. Now chronic diseases, or medical help that would take years to cure or may never cure, health insurance would kick in.

To sum it up having to pay into health insurance doesnt equal affordable health care.

That might have been realistic in 1905, however there are many acute conditions which require the use of sophisticated and expensive medical equipment and tests. Would you like to pay out of pocket for the chest X-rays to rule pneumonia out for your kids? Or maybe you'd love to pay out of pocket for T2-MRI to locate an aneurysm? How about we even the have the hospitals require you to pay up front before you get these tests?

Its seems to me (not you necessarily) that most people weighing on this health care dilemma have very little understanding of medicine or health care.....

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