Russian spacecraft landed on moon hours

[Still Waters]

A previously unheard recording of a Russian spacecraft attempting to beat NASA's Apollo 11 in 1969's race to the moon has been released.

In July 1969, the telescopes at the Jodrell Bank Observatory, in Cheshire, were tracking the Americans' Eagle Lander carrying astronauts towards the moon's surface.

Sir Bernard Lovell, the astronomer, was among the team listening to transmissions coming from the area of space and began tracking the unmanned Soviet spacecraft Luna 15, which was trying to collect samples of lunar soil and rock and then return to Earth before the US mission.

The recordings from Jodrell's Lovell radio telescope, which were hidden in archives until researchers found them, show the Russian craft orbited the Moon and crash-landed onto its surface at 15:50 on July 21 – just a few hours before the Americans lifted off.

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[danielost]

sorry that doesnt change apollos spot in history, it is still the first flight that put humans on another planet.

by the way that wasnt the first ship on the moon either.

[ShadowSot]

I thought it was known the Russians got a probe there first, then the Apollo missions brought man to the moon?

[vitruvian12]

Crashing isnt the same as landing. Doesnt sound like it would be considered a successful mission

[Belial]

Those pesky Russians

[Waspie_Dwarf]

sorry that doesnt change apollos spot in history, it is still the first flight that put humans on another planet.

To be really pedantic, we still haven't landed men on another planet as the moon is technically a satellite of Earth.

As far as I can see there is no implication that this DOES change Apollo's part in history.

by the way that wasnt the first ship on the moon either.

Indeed, far from it. The Russians first did that with a hard landing (impact) in 1959 and a soft landing in 1966. By the time of Apollo the USSR and the USA had impacted or landed 13 spacecraft on the moon.

I thought it was known the Russians got a probe there first, then the Apollo missions brought man to the moon?

It is well known. The point of the article is that a previously unknown recording of the Luna 15 landing attempt, made by Jodrell Bank, has been discovered and released.

Crashing isnt the same as landing. Doesnt sound like it would be considered a successful mission

Many of the early missions (both Soviet and US) crashed into the moon and WERE considered a success, because that is what they were designed to do. This mission, however, was an attempt to steal a little of Apollo 11's thunder. It was an attempted sample return mission. The Soviets, having lost the race to put a man on the moon, made an attempt to at least be the first to return a lunar sample to the Earth. They failed. They finally managed to return lunar samples in September 1970

[Prab]

sorry that doesnt change apollos spot in history, it is still the first flight that put humans on another planet.

by the way that wasnt the first ship on the moon either.

Yeah, but they could be the first humans to touch the moon(though not fully but in pieces),

and by the way this was hilarious hearing that Russians were so crazy for stepping on the moon first that they didn't even do it properly because of the hurry,

I am very surprised by fact that why this major fact was suppressed for many decades,

maybe the reason for it could be that people didn't wanted that anything should interfere or should create controversies in the pride of the Apollo 11 mission.

[Keymaker]

Does this end the "fake moon landing" debate? Or are the recordings fake as well? Personally I think the moon landings did happen.

[jbondo]

We can look at things an entirely different way. If we didn't have the Russians to push us the technology we enjoy today might be decades behind. In fact many of the everyday things we take for granted are the direct result of NASA developments.

[ShadowSot]

It is well known. The point of the article is that a previously unknown recording of the Luna 15 landing attempt, made by Jodrell Bank, has been discovered and released.

Ah, OK.

I though it may have been something that had been hyped up by the article.

[+OverSword]

Has anyone heard that the Russians were so crazy to put a man on the moon that they had a one way trip planned complete with a volunteer? I remember them interviewing an author on an Mysterious Universe podcast a couple or three years ago.

[Robert1]

Has anyone heard that the Russians were so crazy to put a man on the moon that they had a one way trip planned complete with a volunteer? I remember them interviewing an author on an Mysterious Universe podcast a couple or three years ago.

No, I don't think I've ever heard of such a plan. Even if someone thought it up, I find it

hard to believe that anyone would be foolish enough to volunteer for it.

[johnny blue eyes]

No, I don't think I've ever heard of such a plan. Even if someone thought it up, I find it

hard to believe that anyone would be foolish enough to volunteer for it.

i would. but i'd have conditions,ha

[danielost]

No, I don't think I've ever heard of such a plan. Even if someone thought it up, I find it

hard to believe that anyone would be foolish enough to volunteer for it.

it would probable more along the lines of you volunteer or your family dies.

[vitruvian12]

Yeah, but they could be the first humans to touch the moon(though not fully but in pieces),

and by the way this was hilarious hearing that Russians were so crazy for stepping on the moon first that they didn't even do it properly because of the hurry,

I am very surprised by fact that why this major fact was suppressed for many decades,

maybe the reason for it could be that people didn't wanted that anything should interfere or should create controversies in the pride of the Apollo 11 mission.

Did you actually read the article in the opening post?

[UFO_Monster]

I didn't know this before, but it's apparently old news. The US still gets credit for landing on the moon, whereas the Russians crashed. I'm not trying to make anything funny by this in any way.

[Waspie_Dwarf]

and by the way this was hilarious hearing that Russians were so crazy for stepping on the moon first that they didn't even do it properly because of the hurry

The Russian unmanned programme had its set backs, as did the US, but that hardly made the their programme "crazy". The Soviets had achieved many firsts along the way. They hardly rushed, in fact their lack of haste (due to many internal problems far too long and involved and probably off topic to go into here) contributed to them not really challenging Apollo.

I am very surprised by fact that why this major fact was suppressed for many decades

It wasn't suppressed. It is mentioned in every decent book on spaceflight and was covered by the news media at the time.

maybe the reason for it could be that people didn't wanted that anything should interfere or should create controversies in the pride of the Apollo 11 mission.

Or maybe it wasn't suppressed and you just haven't heard about it before.

Has anyone heard that the Russians were so crazy to put a man on the moon that they had a one way trip planned complete with a volunteer?

Not true.

They did have plans to place a Cosmonaut on a mission to beat Apollo 8 around the moon using a version of the Soyuz spacecraft known as Zond. This mission would not have landed but was not a one way mission. Although unmanned Zond missions occurred, a manned mission was never actually attempted.

it would probable more along the lines of you volunteer or your family dies.

Wow, what an amazing lack of understanding of the Soviet space programme you have. Soviet Cosmonauts were no different from their US counter parts in their bravery, expertise and devotion to their country.

The US still gets credit for landing on the moon, whereas the Russians crashed.

The two event are not really comparable. The Soviet Union had already won the race to land an object on the Moon, but were so far behind in the manned arena that, even if Apollo 11 failed, they had already effectively lost the race to land a man on the Moon. Even if Luna 15 had succeeded and sent back a small sample of lunar soil it would still only have been a footnote in the history books.

[danielost]

The Russian unmanned programme had its set backs, as did the US, but that hardly made the their programme "crazy". The Soviets had achieved many firsts along the way. They hardly rushed, in fact their lack of haste (due to many internal problems far too long and involved and probably off topic to go into here) contributed to them not really challenging Apollo.

It wasn't suppressed. It is mentioned in every decent book on spaceflight and was covered by the news media at the time.

Or maybe it wasn't suppressed and you just haven't heard about it before.

Not true.

They did have plans to place a Cosmonaut on a mission to beat Apollo 8 around the moon using a version of the Soyuz spacecraft known as Zond. This mission would not have landed but was not a one way mission. Although unmanned Zond missions occurred, a manned mission was never actually attempted.

Wow, what an amazing lack of understanding of the Soviet space programme you have. Soviet Cosmonauts were no different from their US counter parts in their bravery, expertise and devotion to their country.

The two event are not really comparable. The Soviet Union had already won the race to land an object on the Moon, but were so far behind in the manned arena that, even if Apollo 11 failed, they had already effectively lost the race to land a man on the Moon. Even if Luna 15 had succeeded and sent back a small sample of lunar soil it would still only have been a footnote in the history books.

and how many of them would be willing to die of suffication on the moon just to be first.

[vitruvian12]

and how many of them would be willing to die of suffication on the moon just to be first.

I dont understand why youre asking this. Can you explain?

[danielost]

I dont understand why youre asking this. Can you explain?

i was not questioning bravie, but the statement i responded to was the russians may have been willing to send a manned ship to the moon on a one way trip.

[dazdillinjah]

Wow thanks for the info ..I always thought the Soviet luna robot got there a little after Apollo 11 but had failed attempting landing

[dazdillinjah]

Wow thanks for the info ..I always thought the Soviet luna robot got there a little after Apollo 11 but had failed attempting landing

and its quite true this has been known from when it happened ..if I recall in an unprecedented act of diplomacy during the cold war the Soviets shared data with the US as Luna's presence was a possible unintended hindrance to the Apollo 11 procedure (correct me if thats wrong please Waspie)

[danielost]

COULD THIS ARTICLE BE FAKE BECAUSE PEOPLE THINK THE MOON LANDING IS FAKE SO MAYBE NASA CAME OUT WITH THIS STORY BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HEAR OF IT

i have heard of this off and on for 30 years.

[ShadowSot]

COULD THIS ARTICLE BE FAKE BECAUSE PEOPLE THINK THE MOON LANDING IS FAKE SO MAYBE NASA CAME OUT WITH THIS STORY BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HEAR OF IT

I really don't care if it's the first time you've heard of it. I'd heard of it before some time ago, but even if I hadn't, so what?

Also: Caps are bad.

[Waspie_Dwarf]

COULD THIS ARTICLE BE FAKE BECAUSE PEOPLE THINK THE MOON LANDING IS FAKE SO MAYBE NASA CAME OUT WITH THIS STORY BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HEAR OF IT

A couple of things to think about here KENITO:

Firstly, this is not the place for conspiracy theories... that would be the conspiracy forum (the clue is in the name0. Please read this pinned topic before posting on this subject again: Moon Landing / Mars Conspiracies Please read before posting.

Secondly, as ShadowSot says, all caps are bad. More importantly they are against the rules of this site. As you are fairly new here I suggest that you read the rules before posting again. They can be found by clicking on the link at the top of the page or clicking HERE.

Thank you.