Zeitgeist Moving Forward

[SlimJim22]

What does the model of a typewriter have to with the manuscript or the motivations of a writer?

And actually it was when Hitler was jailed for the famous Beer Hall Putsch.

You should also read William L. Shirer's "the Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich".

Emil Georg von Stauss, the president of Germany's largest bank, the Deutsche Bank, lent Hitler a portable Remington so he could write his infamous anti-Jewish banker manifesto "Mein Kampf."

Von Stauss, a principal Nazi Party fundraiser, also was a longtime business associate of the Rothschilds.

Hitler dictated "Mein Kampf" to typists Rudolf Hess and Emil Maurice during his cushy eight-months stay at Landsberg Prison in April-December 1924. (His five-year sentence was commuted. He had a two-room suite with a view and was allowed to receive gifts and visitors.)

Von Stauss was part of a "Hitler support group" consisting of wealthy Illuminati. Helene Bechstein, the wife of the piano manufacturer pretended to be Hitler's adopted mother and smuggled out sections of the manuscript. She took care of all Hitler's expenses and hoped he would marry her daughter Lotte. Franz Thyssen, the chairman of United Steelworks sent Hitler a birthday gift of 100,000 gold marks.

This account is taken from Rudolf Hess' letters by Belgian author Stan Lauryssens, ("The Man Who Invented the Third Reich" 1999, pp.130-135.)

http://okkulte-nazis.blogspot.com/2010/03/hitler-used-rothschild-bankers.html

It seems to me like Hitler was influenced by two main groups aswell as the Rothschilds who may have sponsored his rise to power. The first is Eckhart of the Thule scoeity and the second is the Jesuits. If you'd like to further the discussion we should start it's own thread but it is an example of how evidence cannot always reveal the true picture behind conspiracies.

http://www.illuminati-news.com/051406a.htm

[Agent X]

So a typewriter turned Hitler into an anti Semite?

[supervike]

I finally watched this film (well, mostly listened, as I was overlapping).

It's got a lot of great thoughts to it, and ideals we probably should, as a society, should take heed of.

But, as there are 7 billion on this planet with differing ideas and goals, I think it's a bit of a pipe dream to create such a wonderful society.

I'm not saying efforts shouldn't be made though.

To be honest, I always thought the Free Market System (or an offshoot of it) was the perfect system. Now, I think I see the flaw in that mentality, and how it costs us more than it ever gives us.

I don't think this particular Zeitgeist even compares with the others. In other words, I'm not sure where the 'controversy' of it comes from. It is less about a 'conspiracy' as it is about a set of circumstances that dictate behavoir.

It's well worth a watch, even if it only serves as food for thought.

[SlimJim22]

So a typewriter turned Hitler into an anti Semite?

Hardly but something did, or was it a series of orchestrated incidents to lead him on that dark path of hate. It wasn't just semites either. The conspiracy is that the people who gave him that power are just as if not more powerful now than they were then. To what extent did the behaviour and fate of socialists have on the justification of capitalism?

What happened then effects where we are now in a big way. What is or is not happening now will effect the next sixty years so films like Zeitgeist are important if they stir us from apathy. Maybe the Venus Project and others is pie in the sky but I think we can make subtle but beneficial changes. We never want to press the panic button and give away all control and centralize power but I fear that is the agenda. This is what I get from reading between the lines of Zeitgeist and other conspiracy theories. Hope I'm wrong and the Rothschild,Rockerfellas and Duponts have our best interests at heart but I seriously doubt it.

[Rastaman]

Another thing you don't know about me is I don't like skeptics as well as CTers. They have the exact same problems that many CTers have as well, they often start out with conclusions and tailor the evidence to support their conclusions.

In other words, both sides do the same thing. They think that their conclusions are the only correct ones and absolutely nothing else matters.

For me it is the evidence that counts, and I want to see real evidence. My mantra is this:

"After all the evidence has been examined, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." And to that I add, even if you don't want it to be.

Basically, I want to see the real evidence. It's not about the arguments for me, it's about the truth. For me, real evidence means a body and physical evidence, or people caught on tape. I want to see a true supernatural miracle. That's the only thing that'll convince me of others' claims.

And the reason for this is that it's nothing more than being cautious, because there is an awful lot of crap claims to sort through that is floating around.

What you need to do basically is go through each individual fact Zietgiest claims and do the research for yourself. Thats one way to find out for sure wether or not (or what percentage) of the movie / film / part was true or untrue. If you pick apart each individual claim you can see for what extent there is exageration. And of course, you can also find out which is a loose end claim or a "mystery" <-- (wonder how many claims come out with THIS conclusion).

I watched the Zietgiest Religion part and the Zietgiest Federal Reserve part, and I have not yet done ^ this. So I really have no opinion on the matter, although I find the videos fascinating.

I actually began picking apart the part 1 of the religion video of Zeitgiest on youtube but got bored after about 5 hours. I only went into in-depth research on about 5 claims but if I remember correctly, Zeitgiest gave correct facts. Of course who knows about the rest of the film & other films.

[Agent X]

Well, I did find the book online. It's free to read at this site here:

My link

However, it is the 1960 edition, and is almost 1200 pages long.

Not including the index.

What's important about this book draws from primary sources, such as diaries and actual files that the Reich kept.

[Rastaman]

I'd also like to add that at the founding and creating of the Federal Reserve, J. P. Morgan Co., and Kuhn,Loeb & Co. were the firms which set up the Jekyll Island Conference at which the Federal Reserve Act was drafted. And they were also the two banks purchased the controlling amounts of stock in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York in 1914.

Who did J.P. Morgan Company and Khun&Loeb Company represent during this historical process? None other than the Rosthchild family & The Bank of England.

Edited February 4, 2011 by Rastaman