The Caspian Hare Posted February 27, 2011 #1 Share Posted February 27, 2011 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110227/ap_on_re_us/us_growing_fuel;_ylt=Ajk7jYdLLDVxLZ1ifEG948as0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTFldmg3aWFyBHBvcwM5OQRzZWMDYWNjb3JkaW9uX2J1c2luZXNzBHNsawNtYXNzY29tcGFueW0- CAMBRIDGE, Mass. – A Massachusetts biotechnology company says it can produce the fuel that runs Jaguars and jet engines using the same ingredients that make grass grow.Joule Unlimited has invented a genetically-engineered organism that it says simply secretes diesel fuel or ethanol wherever it finds sunlight, water and carbon dioxide. The Cambridge, Mass.-based company says it can manipulate the organism to produce the renewable fuels on demand at unprecedented rates, and can do it in facilities large and small at costs comparable to the cheapest fossil fuels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Thong Posted February 27, 2011 #2 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Sounds pretty iffy to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angi chiesa Posted February 28, 2011 #3 Share Posted February 28, 2011 ok,now show us some fuel. Why do we hear of so many claims ,but with no product. Lots of easy fuel...dont hold your breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prab Posted February 28, 2011 #4 Share Posted February 28, 2011 " They may not be dealing with biomass, but the company is facing complicated "engineering issues" if they overcome these issues then there might be a chance that it may exceed. But there is one more big issue that if this fuel becomes efficient enough to compete with the petroleum industry then the large corporations who have set up their business over fuel will try their very best to take this fuel down to failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandOfAmber Posted February 28, 2011 #5 Share Posted February 28, 2011 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110227/ap_on_re_us/us_growing_fuel;_ylt=Ajk7jYdLLDVxLZ1ifEG948as0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTFldmg3aWFyBHBvcwM5OQRzZWMDYWNjb3JkaW9uX2J1c2luZXNzBHNsawNtYXNzY29tcGFueW0- I'm just wondering how long this company thinks it's going to take for the industry to realize that they're actually using Algae. Cynobacteria is Blue-Green Algae... They've simply picked a strain that excretes it's oil external to the cell wall... They STILL must produce enormous amounts of Biomass, and they still must process it out of their growth reactors in order to grow more (density blocks light, and that doesn't change regardless of your growth medium...) The idea is great, I run an Algae Biofuels company myself. But this company didn't 'invent' any sort of organism, they simply selectively chose one that produces oils external to the cell wall, instead of internally... While this takes energy out of the processing step, choosing such a strain severely limits the amount of oil production possible. Also, when they mention 'manipulating' the organism, all they are doing is starving it of Nitrogen. While this does produce more oil per cell, it severely limits the growth rate of the colony (to the point of detriment, according to a 30+ year study by the US Dept of Energy called The Aquatic Species Program). No news here, except that Joule has joined the Algae Biofuels industry... Sorry Joule, some of us understand your jargon... -Brand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted February 28, 2011 #6 Share Posted February 28, 2011 This seems like it could work to me. But with 20 billion gallons of oil used per year they will have a hard time scaling up to meet even a fraction of demand. Assuming they can replace a barrel of oil with a barrel of manufactured fuel, and assuming that the 15,000 gallons per year per acre is good, then it will take... 640 acres per square mile 365 days per year 42 gallons per barrel A = [(2000000000 barrels/day) * (365 days/year) / (42gallons/barrel)]/[(15000 gallons/year-acre) * (640 acres/sq mile)] A = 18100 sq miles So we would need a fuel farm of these panels about the size of New Hampshire and Vermont put together to meet current needs. Still it sounds interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted February 28, 2011 #7 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Recovering the fuel is where Joule could find significant problems, said Pienkos, the NREL scientist, who is also principal investigator on a Department of Energy-funded project with Algenol, a Joule competitor that makes ethanol and is one of the handful of companies that also bypass biomass. from the story, it seems that there are two companies doing the same kind of thing. the one in the story and the one the government is backing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exterminar Posted February 28, 2011 #8 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Let's get this straight guys, the big oil companies are not afraid of this technology, because the demand will far outweigh the supply. If the bbl of oil goes down to $30-$60 per bbl, it will change nothing because demand will double. At the rate China, India & Brazil are putting cars on the roads and planes in the air, demand will meet the supply and oil will be back to $100 per bbl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted February 28, 2011 #9 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Interesting read. Especially the comments from BrandofAmber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meankitty Posted March 1, 2011 #10 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Now we need germs to make beer. Oh, never mind. I forgot. We already have those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted March 1, 2011 #11 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Let's get this straight guys, the big oil companies are not afraid of this technology, because the demand will far outweigh the supply. If the bbl of oil goes down to $30-$60 per bbl, it will change nothing because demand will double. At the rate China, India & Brazil are putting cars on the roads and planes in the air, demand will meet the supply and oil will be back to $100 per bbl. you mean oil is going to drop, that is good news. when?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Anita Cigarette. Posted March 1, 2011 #12 Share Posted March 1, 2011 0____0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d e v i c e Posted March 1, 2011 #13 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Cool. Now we can pump more CO2 into the atmosphere at a fraction of the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SewerRat Posted March 1, 2011 #14 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Sounds pretty iffy to me. --- The alcohol in that beer you're drinking was produced by a living yeast (probably a bioengineered one). Does that make it taste iffy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptozological Mascot Posted March 3, 2011 #15 Share Posted March 3, 2011 And they named them Dick Cheny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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