sean6 Posted March 16, 2011 #126 Share Posted March 16, 2011 (edited) add this up Tourist attack 9-11-01 + Japanese Earth Quake and Tsunami 3-10-11= 12-21-12 whats up with this ??? just something to think about ? Edited March 16, 2011 by sean6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daughter of the Nine Moons Posted March 16, 2011 #127 Share Posted March 16, 2011 (edited) What bunk. As aquatus earlier stated, people have died over there. Take the speculation to another thread Edited March 16, 2011 by Daughter of the Nine Moons correction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiffSplitkins Posted March 16, 2011 #128 Share Posted March 16, 2011 (edited) One last request; please keep this thread on topic. Save the pole shifts, solar flares, evil Illuminati plots for the other threads. People are dying over here. add this up Tourist attack 9-11-01 + Japanese Earth Quake and Tsunami 3-10-11= 12-21-12 whats up with this ??? just something to think about ? Just in case you don't believe Daughter ^^ This is a matter of respect to the OP. What bunk. As aquatus earlier stated, people have died over there. Take the speculation to another thread You beat me to it. Edited March 16, 2011 by Daughter of the Nine Moons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckys_Mom Posted March 17, 2011 #129 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Good gravey... the search for survivors has taken a turn for the worst - in Kamaishi - where there are freezing temptures... that makes it a lot worse for anyone if trapped in those icy conditions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arenee Posted March 17, 2011 #130 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I am not sure how to describe the mood around here. Chiba is not that far away from here, about 40 km as the crow flies. They have reports of airborne radiation, and have been instructed to stay indoors. On the one hand, a good rain would wash it away, on the other hand, it isn't raining. We are...depressed? No, depression isn't the right word. It is like we are at the bedside of a dear, dear friend, and they are very, very sick. There is nothing we can do, except wait. I am used to disasters. I have been through a flood, a forest fire, three hurricanes, and now an earthquake. I have always been able to maintain a professional detachment in the face of...not good situations. But I have only been in Japan for 6 months, and I have never felt so at ease, so at home. Last year, I visited for a mere two weeks, and this beautiful country resonated so perfectly within me that I didn't even notice until I returned to the US. I was back for less than a month before I quit my job, packed up my belongings, and moved overseas. I cannot describe how hurt I feel right now. I have never had a home to return to, a place than I grew up in. The only place I have ever thought of as home is in danger, and there isn't a damn thing I can do about it. The people, the wonderful people...how many times have I seen people fighting over each other, scrambling and pushing away anyone in front of them, to get at water or food? Here, people stand politely in lines for hours, patiently waiting, only breathing a small disappointed sigh when supplies run out. I haven't gone to bed before midnight for three days, as some of the older folk in my little neighborhood are waiting for the gaijin who can't speak a word of Japanese, but who will follow them to their apartment and repair anything they point at. I haven't had to cook for myself the entire week, as they keep showing up at my door with various dishes. It is a simple, quiet gratitude. They aren't rewarding me, or paying me back. It's hard to describe, but it's just that, in the same way that I did something for them that I could do, they are doing something for me that they can do. No one even needs to ask. I have a couple of firemen sleeping in my spare futon. The trains aren't running regularly yet, and they got stuck for the night. I wonder if this is how it felt for the people livving in the British countryside during the war, when refugees slowly started filtering in, and the war began invading their lives. The disaster did not hit Tokyo with anywhere near the force that hit our neighbors to the north, but slowly, it is coming towards us...and all we can do is stand and wait. Because of the power issues, they are scheduling controlled blackouts. My posting will be a little limited for a while, as I need to keep my phone charged up. Aquatus1 I would just like to say this brought tears to my eyes. My best friend from high school is in Japan and no matter what her family says she refuses to come home. Now I understand why. You write so eloquently during these times and I'd like to say how much the rest of us appreciate your calm and collected demeanor. You are a strong individual and I admire you strength. I have always wanted to visit Japan and now I know that you have inspired me to make this trip as soon as I can. Thank you again and I cannot say how much I appreciate your updates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted March 17, 2011 #131 Share Posted March 17, 2011 The news keeps changing. Even the links keep changing and updating. This one from late this afternoon (Mar. 16) says all the workers have been withdrawn. It's just too dangerous. http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110316/ts_yblog_thelookout/japans-nuclear-crisis-where-things-stand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted March 17, 2011 Author #132 Share Posted March 17, 2011 The truth is...as long as the workers continue to be temporarily evacuated, there is still a chance. Simply put, if the situation spiraled out of control, the engineers would not leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted March 17, 2011 #133 Share Posted March 17, 2011 it will take time to let the earth settle from that great jolt ... at least things looks like it should get settled soon ... good luck aquatus1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Witness Posted March 17, 2011 #134 Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) [1923 Great Kantō earthquake - Tokyo] [Post-quake massacre of ethnic minorities] I'm not sure I would want to be a "minority" over there right now, if history is any precedent. Although feudalism is gone, core human emotion remains the same. If they find themselves surrounded by radiation, and no where to go, island fever could begin to take its toll. Edited March 17, 2011 by Raptor Witness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted March 17, 2011 Author #135 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I have seen how my countrymen behaved during minor inconveniences like blackouts, and I have seen how the Japanese behave after and during one of the greatest disasters in their history. I will take my chances in Japan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesspy Posted March 17, 2011 #136 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I was I Florida for Andrew, Wilma, and whichever one was before Wilma. Come to think of it, everytime I move someplace new, there is a diasaster if some kind. glad to hear you are doing well....just remind me not to go to some place new with you anytime soon lol. I have a friend who has kinda the same problem except everytime she books a holiday something happens before she goes. The first holiday she booked was meant for south korea last year but then that stuff with the north happened there. She was going to go to QLD for four days but then the floods happened. She was about to get on a plane to Tokyo when this all happened. But form what I heard she still went. SO she is there somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted March 17, 2011 #137 Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) The US is starting to tell their people to leave. Planes are being chartered for Embassy staff families. This does not sound good. Most companies are pulling their people out. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/sc_nm/us_nuclear_usa http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/ts_afp/japanquake http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_re_us/us_us_japan You have a better idea of what's going on there Aquatus but maybe you should consider contacting your embassy. Take care and stay safe. Edited March 17, 2011 by susieice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckys_Mom Posted March 17, 2011 #138 Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) The truth is...as long as the workers continue to be temporarily evacuated, there is still a chance. Simply put, if the situation spiraled out of control, the engineers would not leave. Oh yes there is always a chance... hope for Japan will never be lost.. I feel Japan will fix all that was damaged..and throw themselves back on their feet again... Any more updates where you are now aquatus? Are you still experiencing after shocks?... What is the atmosphere like around you now? Sorry for all the questions.. it's just ..I feel it's better to hear from someone who lives over there and knows whats going on around them... for news reports ( especially sky news) they seem to get conflicting reports all the time EDIT - usual BM typos..sigh Edited March 17, 2011 by Beckys_Mom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckys_Mom Posted March 17, 2011 #139 Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) The US is starting to tell their people to leave. Planes are being chartered for Embassy staff families. This does not sound good. Most companies are pulling their people out. http://news.yahoo.co.../us_nuclear_usa http://news.yahoo.co..._afp/japanquake http://news.yahoo.co..._us/us_us_japan You have a better idea of what's going on there Aquatus but maybe you should consider contacting your embassy. Take care and stay safe. I saw on the news - the British and the American goverment are laying on charter flights ( as is the French ).. to get their citizens to leave Japan, fear of a nuclear meltdown. A btitish student was on TV this morning ( sky news) saying he lives in Tokyo...was interview via Skype...said - he is over in Japan studying - Nuclear Physics.. He claims he is not that bothered about it.. he has no real concern, and he is not going to hop on a plane to leave any time soon I saw a member of the US goverment on late last night -saying he feels the Japanese goverment are not letting on to how dangerous the nuclear reactors really are...!!! Hmm I feel there are too many conflicting reports....so I'll wait till aquatus comes on to se how things really are on his end...he seems positive as well as the student in Tokyo... Edited March 17, 2011 by Beckys_Mom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckys_Mom Posted March 17, 2011 #140 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I forgot to add - aqutas.. - aren't all the modern buildings in Toyko ( sky scarpers ) built to withstand earthquakes? yes they will feel the aftershocks but the building are designed to handle that... aren't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted March 17, 2011 #141 Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) I agree. The news is changing constantly. What worries me is that the whole plant was so badly damaged by the earthquake and tsunami that they don't have the resources available that they had at Three Mile Island. That was contained within a week and this situation is still ongoing. Also this involves multiple reactors. Aquatus is in the best position to let us know what is going on. I remember when Three Mile Island happened and for all the news reports that were going around, and believe me, rumors flew around here, we have abundant wildlife, our cows are eating the grass, and everyone here is doing fine. Edited March 17, 2011 by susieice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckys_Mom Posted March 17, 2011 #142 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I agree. The news is changing constantly. What worries me is that the whole plant was so badly damaged by the earthquake and tsunami that they don't have the resources available that they had at Three Mile Island. That was contained within a week and this situation is still ongoing. Also this involves multiple reactors. Aquatus is in the best position to let us know what is going on. I remember when Three Mile Island happened and for all the news reports that were going around, and believe me, rumors flew around here, we have abundant wildlife, our cows are eating the grass, and everyone here is doing fine. Exactly... I think it is much better to hear it from his side... he is after all living over there... There are too many conflicting news reports.. one says its really bad, the other says not as bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted March 17, 2011 Author #143 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Yes, pretty much everything in Tokyo was either built or retro-fitted to withstand earthquakes. And, of course, the Japanese being Japanese, have even taken to making the quake-proofing a part of their architectural designs, so you get to see some beautifully practical and subtle incorporation of these systems. Structural damage in Tokyo is almost non-existent. Most of the damage is either shake damage or impact from falling. I do hear sirens from ambulances and fire engines at least every couple of hours. I don't know what the emergencies are, though. I managed to communicate somewhat with a couple of firefighters yesterday and they mentioned a lot of gas fires. There are also groups of people patrolling around 10:00 in the evening calling out for everyone to turn off their candles and lamps. This is an old, old tradition from the days when fire and paper houses didn't mix well. Neighborhood watches still maintain the tradition during blackouts, and honestly, in these days when people are so out of practice with candle safety, it is a great safety reminder. The situation in the reactors remains critical. The engineers gain ground and loose ground. Ironically, the main problem at the power plant is the lack of power. Their latest effort involves a massive extension cord and generators, in an effort to get the cooling systems up and running at full tilt. We have a powerful tremor around 930 pm, and right now we are having a second one (955 pm). Some people fear that the Kanto fault may be getting ready to snap. I haven't heard anything from the geologists, so I am not going to worry about that right now. The thing about the talking heads in the US is that they expect the rest of the world to behave as they do. They are used to asking questions and demanding answers. Lacking answers, they will settle for accusations. If a Japanese person is asked about the current status, they will give it to you. If you ask again, and it is unchanged, they will tell you that as well. If you demand new data, and there is no new data to give, they will simply smile politely. Unlike in the US, where any answer is considered better than no answer, in Japan, no answer means just that: no answer currently available. Demanding one isn't going to get you anywhere. Similarly, in the US, silence means yes. In Japan, silence means no conclusion. So, when someone asks if the reactors are really dangerous, and the Japanese person does not answer, the American assumes that the answer is yes. To the Japanese, silence means that the person may not be authorized to comment on that, that they may not have that information, that they are not comfortable being spoken to in that manner, or any of a dozen different reasons. I currently have no plans to evacuate. I view the foreign governments actions as directly stemming from the above cultural differences. This is not to say that the situation is not serious. It is simply that Japanese people do not consider waiting to be a negative action. It is simply one way, a dignified and rational way, incidentally, to deal with situations. Most foreigners consider waiting to be a waste of time at best, and would rather do anything to avoid it, usually resulting at throwing money and manpower at it. On a personal level, for the past week now, my sense of equilibrium has been off-kilter. I will suddenly feel tremors and shaking, and yet nothing is happening. I even got to the point that I set up a bottle of water on my desk to objectively determine if there really was shaking going on. Sometimes I actually feel like I'm on a boat. I suspect, this being my first major earthquake and all, my point of reference has been wiped clean, and I have to retrain myself. It is a little unnerving, but I doubt it is too much to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckys_Mom Posted March 17, 2011 #144 Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) *snip* Thanks for the update on your side. I find it interesting the cultural differences between the Americans and the Japanese that you just pointed out I understand you not wanting to evacuate right now, I don't think I would either - but please make sure you have a good exit plan, just in case things go really bad... nothing wron with being prepared...I suspect you have this already in control. I believe that no news - is good news... so if the Japanese remain silient on the current situation - then it doesn't mean yes it is bad... Edited March 17, 2011 by Daughter of the Nine Moons removed redundant quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Witness Posted March 17, 2011 #145 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I have seen how my countrymen behaved during minor inconveniences like blackouts, and I have seen how the Japanese behave after and during one of the greatest disasters in their history. I will take my chances in Japan. [Technical Diagrams of Reactors and their respective damage.] Unless I'm mistaken, GE and the AMERICANS built most of these now doomed reactors. See the very interesting slide show above for some great photos of the reactor types, as well as super clear photos of the damage to the respective reactors. I hope you're right about your perceived safety, but families of all diplomatic staff are leaving Japan, even as we speak, and the diplomats themselves are relocating further south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daughter of the Nine Moons Posted March 17, 2011 #146 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Raptor Witness, in the face of the devastation in Japan, your fear mongering is extraordinary. It is quite clear that you dislike, or is it fear that you fear the Japanese people? Whatever it is, it has no place in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arenee Posted March 17, 2011 #147 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I'd like to second what DOTNM says. This is not the place to say such things. What happened is a tragedy and aquatus is a big boy. He can make his own decisions. No one wants to hear negativity from someone who only wants to be hateful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted March 18, 2011 #148 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Good to hear from you Aquatus. Sounds like the aftershocks haven't lessened up or toned down very much yet. Maybe you're just sensitive enough to feel the smaller ones especially if you anticipate them. When I was in California I was in 2, neither over a 3.5 but it shook good enough. You're a distance away but maybe you are picking up vibrations. After a week of jolts, I'd be a little more aware of movement around me too. Sounds like the engineers are doing all they can to try and gain control of the situation. They really aren't going to know too much until they can go in and look to see what's happened. Everything else is speculation. Here's hoping they can get the systems running again. Take care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckys_Mom Posted March 18, 2011 #149 Share Posted March 18, 2011 (edited) Good to hear from you Aquatus. Sounds like the aftershocks haven't lessened up or toned down very much yet. Maybe you're just sensitive enough to feel the smaller ones especially if you anticipate them. When I was in California I was in 2, neither over a 3.5 but it shook good enough. You're a distance away but maybe you are picking up vibrations. After a week of jolts, I'd be a little more aware of movement around me too. Sounds like the engineers are doing all they can to try and gain control of the situation. They really aren't going to know too much until they can go in and look to see what's happened. Everything else is speculation. Here's hoping they can get the systems running again. Take care. Living in N.Ireland I have never experienced anything like this.. not even a small tremor... When the news broke out about Japan... I was interested to hear from someone who was over here and has went through it all... I agree everything else is speculation..and for some reason I feel the Japanese will have it sorted...they'll pick themselves up in no time If I lived over there myself, had set up home ect.. and my home was not damaged - I wouldnt hop up and leave, I would sit my ground and remain as positive as possible I admire anyone with a positive attitude... it keeps things going and less panic... I was reading one of the british papers, on the front was this Japanese lady who at 1st lost her baby girl ( 4 month old girl).. and amazing later the baby was found un harmed... I am sure when this is over - there will be a lot of sad stories - but a lot of heroic stories to come from it... Edited March 18, 2011 by Beckys_Mom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazahel Posted March 18, 2011 #150 Share Posted March 18, 2011 (edited) I'd like to second what DOTNM says. This is not the place to say such things. What happened is a tragedy and aquatus is a big boy. He can make his own decisions. No one wants to hear negativity from someone who only wants to be hateful. I think that might be a little harsh to assume that someone is only trying to be hateful. People believe in different things. Anyway because of some thinking that others might dislike the Japanese people because of what they have typed I feel I need to make more clear my original post on page one. Gosh. Anyone know if there was any frogs riding that Tsunami. Probably not. I typed this because I felt this event was linked to my dream only a few days before the event(and I was waiting for news like this). I do not tend to find things as negative so much because I believe everything that happens was meant to be(and for a reason). Which is why I do not cry so much. Anyway here is my dream below.. I had a weird dream not last night but the night before. I'm not sure what it means or why I dreamt it. I dreamt that I was with an old friend at his home but he was living with his parents which is odd for him. His parents wernt happy we were there because they thought we were a bad influence and that their son was doing good things now. So they wanted him to do his homework or something but he spent his time with us because he hadnt seen us for a long time. I cant remember who the other person with me was though. I dont remember much of the dream but mainly looking outside and seeing that it was raining frogs. Frogs were falling as many as rain drops and it rained them so much that a tidal wave formed in the distance made purely of frogs. It was about 2 or 3 stories high and was coming for the house and I was shutting the door so the frogs wouldnt get inside while watching this huge tidal wave of them rolling towards us. It was a weird thing to see and I'm not sure what it means. So I hope this makes more clear my original post here. In my dream I saw many frogs and the water was made of frogs and dirt(mixed like water). It travelled over land and even though I shut the door I knew I was a goner and that it would just crush the house. So I did not say frogs because I think of Japanese as like that. I love the Japanese culture and tried to learn the Japanese language when I was about 14 and then again at about 19. I used to wish I was born Japanese(until I found out about their school system lol). Anyway its been interesting to watch the developments and I hope nuclear power becomes safer from this. Edited March 18, 2011 by Kazahel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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