Stardrive Posted March 23, 2011 #26 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Which is something that everybody always tries to ignore and certainly is never mentioned in the blood sweat and tears commemorative speeches. I think daniels point was the US would have entered the war sooner if hadn't been for the isolationist movement, which at the time had alot of influence because of what happened at the end of WWI. The attitude at the time was "well here we go again, it's Europes war, let them deal with it this time." So yes, the only way the US was going to get involved in another European conflict (at that time) is if we were dragged into it kicking and screaming. As far as the OP though, I'm not to sure about another Hitler rising out of Iran. Granted they're ate up anti-semitism and anti-americanism. But as far as technological innovation goes, the best they can do (so far) is reverse engineer already existing technology. Plus, even though Iran has superpower asperations, it doesn't have a history of border expansion and conquest nor would it have the necessary amount of natural resourses for a sustained global conflict. And, Iran being the size that it is, having and using nukes won't help them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted March 24, 2011 #27 Share Posted March 24, 2011 I think daniels point was the US would have entered the war sooner if hadn't been for the isolationist movement, which at the time had alot of influence because of what happened at the end of WWI. The attitude at the time was "well here we go again, it's Europes war, let them deal with it this time." So yes, the only way the US was going to get involved in another European conflict (at that time) is if we were dragged into it kicking and screaming. As far as the OP though, I'm not to sure about another Hitler rising out of Iran. Granted they're ate up anti-semitism and anti-americanism. But as far as technological innovation goes, the best they can do (so far) is reverse engineer already existing technology. Plus, even though Iran has superpower asperations, it doesn't have a history of border expansion and conquest nor would it have the necessary amount of natural resourses for a sustained global conflict. And, Iran being the size that it is, having and using nukes won't help them. did you forget about the Persian empire. and no we couldn't have gotten into ww2 sooner. in 1939 we only had 10,000 troops, 10 machine guns, 10 ww1 tanks and in basic training they were using wooden guns. in fact the Japanese attacked about 6 months to earlier. the fighters we had were the between wars designs, and we in the process of replacing them. that is why the carriers weren't in port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Serenity Posted March 24, 2011 #28 Share Posted March 24, 2011 The world doesn't need another Hilter. He was a horrible man! What he did to innocent people was unforgiveable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stardrive Posted March 24, 2011 #29 Share Posted March 24, 2011 did you forget about the Persian empire. You mean the one that got thier cans kicked way back when and haven't heard boo out of since Persian Empire? and no we couldn't have gotten into ww2 sooner. in 1939 we only had 10,000 troops, 10 machine guns, 10 ww1 tanks and in basic training they were using wooden guns. in fact the Japanese attacked about 6 months to earlier. the fighters we had were the between wars designs, and we in the process of replacing them. that is why the carriers weren't in port. Sure we could have entered the war sooner if it hadn't been for the pacifist/isolationist movement. Why else would our military have been in such a condition in 1939? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted March 25, 2011 #30 Share Posted March 25, 2011 You mean the one that got thier cans kicked way back when and haven't heard boo out of since Persian Empire? They need another Darius the Great. And I knew Darius the Great, and Ahmadinejad is no Darius the Great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted March 25, 2011 #31 Share Posted March 25, 2011 This guy has some very intelligent views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted March 25, 2011 #32 Share Posted March 25, 2011 You mean the one that got thier cans kicked way back when and haven't heard boo out of since Persian Empire? Sure we could have entered the war sooner if it hadn't been for the pacifist/isolationist movement. Why else would our military have been in such a condition in 1939? no i mean the one that was around for nearly 1000 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faeden Posted March 25, 2011 #33 Share Posted March 25, 2011 I think most countries could do with another Hitler, especially the UK and US, just minus the hatred, racism, and fascism. If more politicians had the passion, intelligence, and effectiveness Hitler had, maybe the world would not be in the sorry state it is today. Its just a shame Hitler chose to use his political talents for evil. Hitler proved how dangerous the consequences can be when intelligence, passion and ignorance is mixed in the same test tube. Hitler may have been one of the most effectively evil men in history, but he was a very effective and competent politician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiogene Posted March 25, 2011 #34 Share Posted March 25, 2011 If the plot against Hitler worked out as originally planned, the world is a radically different place without the following invasion and defeat of the Nazis in Berlin and without the Soviets' presence, we wouldn't have the cold war or the Berlin Wall. A whole different direction of world history not necessarily for the better, because Stalin would took over the earth and the USA with the free world (i.e. the UK and France) have to fight WWIII against the Soviets/USSR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted March 26, 2011 #35 Share Posted March 26, 2011 I think most countries could do with another Hitler, especially the UK and US, just minus the hatred, racism, and fascism. If more politicians had the passion, intelligence, and effectiveness Hitler had, maybe the world would not be in the sorry state it is today. Its just a shame Hitler chose to use his political talents for evil. Hitler proved how dangerous the consequences can be when intelligence, passion and ignorance is mixed in the same test tube. Hitler may have been one of the most effectively evil men in history, but he was a very effective and competent politician. I've often thought a benevolent dictatorship is really the only effective form of government. Even Mussolini, who was hardly an effective politician, made, as we all know, the trains run on time, and when you look at the massive reconstruction and job creation projects Hitler initiated, and the way he managed to do it while, effectively, just ignoring the normal rules of economics... (I always find it amusing to think that the VW campers that peacenik hippies so like to drive around in owe their origin to the KdF-Wagen) ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashbangwollap Posted March 26, 2011 #36 Share Posted March 26, 2011 I've often thought a benevolent dictatorship is really the only effective form of government. Even Mussolini, who was hardly an effective politician, made, as we all know, the trains run on time, and when you look at the massive reconstruction and job creation projects Hitler initiated, and the way he managed to do it while, effectively, just ignoring the normal rules of economics... (I always find it amusing to think that the VW campers that peacenik hippies so like to drive around in owe their origin to the KdF-Wagen) ... Well they are more economical than a Porsche King Tiger II. However if you do run a Tiger Tank there is never a parking problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Erchamion Posted March 26, 2011 #37 Share Posted March 26, 2011 I think most countries could do with another Hitler, especially the UK and US, just minus the hatred, racism, and fascism. If more politicians had the passion, intelligence, and effectiveness Hitler had, maybe the world would not be in the sorry state it is today. Its just a shame Hitler chose to use his political talents for evil. Hitler proved how dangerous the consequences can be when intelligence, passion and ignorance is mixed in the same test tube.Hitler may have been one of the most effectively evil men in history, but he was a very effective and competent politician. you mean like High Chancellor Adam Sutler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted March 26, 2011 #38 Share Posted March 26, 2011 I've often thought a benevolent dictatorship is really the only effective form of government. Even Mussolini, who was hardly an effective politician, made, as we all know, the trains run on time, and when you look at the massive reconstruction and job creation projects Hitler initiated, and the way he managed to do it while, effectively, just ignoring the normal rules of economics... (I always find it amusing to think that the VW campers that peacenik hippies so like to drive around in owe their origin to the KdF-Wagen) ... there is no such thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted March 26, 2011 #39 Share Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) there is going to be at least one more hitler type person, the bible calls him the anti-christ. and before it is over he will call himself god. we already have one person on the planet calling himself god and that is the pope. Edited March 26, 2011 by danielost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faeden Posted March 26, 2011 #40 Share Posted March 26, 2011 you mean like High Chancellor Adam Sutler? Um no, one he was fictional, and two he was evil and a fascist. I said minus the fascism, or dictatorship. I am just talking about Hitler's political skills and intelligence, as no current politicians have any of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFO_Monster Posted March 26, 2011 #41 Share Posted March 26, 2011 I agree that a person like Hitler has and always will be made in the world. Sad to say, but history tends to repeat itself, almost willingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted March 27, 2011 #42 Share Posted March 27, 2011 there is going to be at least one more hitler type person, the bible calls him the anti-christ. and before it is over he will call himself god. we already have one person on the planet calling himself god and that is the pope. Oh, i thought you were going to say Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted March 27, 2011 #43 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Oh, i thought you were going to say Obama. Same, but I wasn't sure if Obama has said that. there is going to be at least one more hitler type person, the bible calls him the anti-christ. and before it is over he will call himself god. we already have one person on the planet calling himself god and that is the pope. Has he seriously said that?! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted March 27, 2011 #44 Share Posted March 27, 2011 (edited) there is going to be at least one more hitler type person, the bible calls him the anti-christ. and before it is over he will call himself god. we already have one person on the planet calling himself god and that is the pope. The pope who would be that insane to say such thing would not be a pope anymore and would probably be institutionalized. Given the nice shirt with long sleeves that are tied behind his back etc. The pope is according to Catholic Church successor of Saint Peter, the rock on which the Church has been built. That's all. Very far from claiming he's God. Maybe you mixed up popes and pharaos? Whats with that obsession with Catholics, anyway? All Christian denominations can trace their origins back to Catholicism, but still, it's time you grow up and stop claiming everything was mother's fault. Yes, Catholics are weird occasionally, but not snake-handling magnitude of weird... Edited March 27, 2011 by Helen of Annoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted March 27, 2011 #45 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Didn't you know? The Pope, like the Rothschilds, is responsible for everything that's ever happened. That, or the Reptilians. And if you have a pope who was a member of the Hitler Youth (not like there wasn't much choice, unless you wanted the Gestapo to keep a very close and unwelcome eye on you), well, it's like all the Christmases have come at once for those in conspiratorial circles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted March 27, 2011 #46 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Same, but I wasn't sure if Obama has said that. Has he seriously said that?! lol no that is what the catholic religion preaches, is that the pope is god on earth. not a prophet. and all of the priests are christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Thong Posted March 27, 2011 #47 Share Posted March 27, 2011 no that is what the catholic religion preaches, is that the pope is god on earth. not a prophet. and all of the priests are christ. Umm no, the Pope represents god on god's behalf. A talking bobble head really aka ambassador. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted March 27, 2011 #48 Share Posted March 27, 2011 so what has the power of the earth, the UN or the banks or something else. for that is where the anti-christ is supposed to come from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted March 27, 2011 #49 Share Posted March 27, 2011 (edited) Didn't you know? The Pope, like the Rothschilds, is responsible for everything that's ever happened. That, or the Reptilians. And if you have a pope who was a member of the Hitler Youth (not like there wasn't much choice, unless you wanted the Gestapo to keep a very close and unwelcome eye on you), well, it's like all the Christmases have come at once for those in conspiratorial circles. Panzer Pope! He’ll drive Tiger tank instead of popemobile, respect no traffic lights and park it in Sixtine chapel. I bet he uses Jägermeister instead of wine for communion That would make a nice comedy, only daniel would think it’s a documentary. no that is what the catholic religion preaches, is that the pope is god on earth. not a prophet. and all of the priests are christ. Who told you that? No Catholic would ever say something like that, that would be blasphemy. Pope is Saint Peter's successor, priests are just that - priests, people qualified, meaning: educated and virtuous... ahem, yes, I know... enough to lead the celebration of the mass. Umm no, the Pope represents god on god's behalf. A talking bobble head really aka ambassador. But he has the funniest hat of them all! That's why everyone is so jealous. Tell you what, folks, design funny hats for your own religious parasites... I mean, leaders, and beat Catholic show with your own, bigger, brighter and more hypocritical. That's the only solution. Edited March 27, 2011 by Helen of Annoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychedelic Posted March 27, 2011 #50 Share Posted March 27, 2011 (edited) Ewald von Kleist, 88, a former officer in the German Wehrmacht and the last surviving member of the July 20, 1944 plot against Hitler, discusses Germany's elimination of conscription, why German soldiers need to toughen up and his failed attempt to kill Adolf Hitler. http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,748844,00.html Society has no personal responsbility or respect towards people. If we are lucky we live happy and forfilling lives but if the dice lands the wrong why you could find yourself living the life of a tramp or worse. Until society sorts itself and and takes responsibility for all its people the Hitlers and Napoleons will continue to come. These men werent born evil society made them that way. Edited March 27, 2011 by Psychedelic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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