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Syrian people Support Their President

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eqgumby

I cannot imagine they haven't in some way or form.

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Knight Of Shadows

hi sorry for the delay

i had to step out for a while and research things deeper

also i have come to a big shift of pointviews through

based on real events real people i knew has fallen vicitms through this

i was like many supporter of the current goverment

and like the many that support stopped with the fact that security forces

indeed killing off our fellows syrians i hate to say it .. but that's the fact

a relatives of our neighbors two of them actually young men

been tortured on electric chairs after they have been arrested and shot at

they didn't go free until they were forced to say " unlike reality "

that they have no idea who shot them .. while they exactly knew who shot them

a friend of mine whos now doing his military service time

got orders to shoot anyone walking out at night orders say : even if it was your father

otherwise you'd be shoot if not followed order

it's such a disgrace to think they can force people into killing off their people

by fear and to think they would actually kill their own people it's just disgusting

there's speaks of gangs and criminals groups terrorising people

well .. phones been cut off last night from 12 midnight Thursday till Friday 6 Pm

land phones as well mobiles now

in case those gangs were real shouldn't they leave phone on for people to call police

if one of those gangs attacked the people .. ?

ohh and the phone were cut off in certain areas in damascus countryside

where protests are happening before friday for obvious reasons

what they need to realize they cannot crush people like animals

and expect they can rule people by fear instead ?

therefore i take back what i said in this topic till certain point

it was truth that people " massive majority " including me supported the goverment

but after this much of innocent bloodshed no human can stomach

will no longer support such acts .. those people whom been killed are our own people

some of them are close friends as well

they cannot hide the truth forever .. it's their fault after all

to think they can solve this by killing of people

giving the thought i was a big supporter and the golden chance they got

to win even more support they blew it by killing people violently

did they solved things different way they would have won the people support

had they stopped the violent acts they'd ear people respect

but that's not what they want in my view and research of things

they want to rule people by fear till a level people are afraid even to speak

there's no excuse for such behavior

a bit on notice that i won't discuss it deeper is President is helpless to stop it

suffice to say there's parties who want to use the violent solution

and they have more power than the president plus control over the army

that's about all i can say about that

still the news channels made things bigger than they are previously i know

but Now things are indeed big

the people lives above all .. and things won't ever get better as long there's

victims and death

it's time to stand neutral and hope for the best for syria

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FLOMBIE

It is not easy to admit you have been wrong on something, especially when you have been defending something you love. I salute you for that, and hope you and your people will find a way to live in freedom and peace.

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Corp

Good to see you're still around Knight, and I'm glad that you were able to go out and see for yourself what's going on with your country. I hope it quiets down quickly and the people can restore order to their government. Stay safe over there.

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MichaelW

hi sorry for the delay

i had to step out for a while and research things deeper

also i have come to a big shift of pointviews through

based on real events real people i knew has fallen vicitms through this

i was like many supporter of the current goverment

and like the many that support stopped with the fact that security forces

indeed killing off our fellows syrians i hate to say it .. but that's the fact

a relatives of our neighbors two of them actually young men

been tortured on electric chairs after they have been arrested and shot at

they didn't go free until they were forced to say " unlike reality "

that they have no idea who shot them .. while they exactly knew who shot them

a friend of mine whos now doing his military service time

got orders to shoot anyone walking out at night orders say : even if it was your father

otherwise you'd be shoot if not followed order

it's such a disgrace to think they can force people into killing off their people

by fear and to think they would actually kill their own people it's just disgusting

there's speaks of gangs and criminals groups terrorising people

well .. phones been cut off last night from 12 midnight Thursday till Friday 6 Pm

land phones as well mobiles now

in case those gangs were real shouldn't they leave phone on for people to call police

if one of those gangs attacked the people .. ?

ohh and the phone were cut off in certain areas in damascus countryside

where protests are happening before friday for obvious reasons

what they need to realize they cannot crush people like animals

and expect they can rule people by fear instead ?

therefore i take back what i said in this topic till certain point

it was truth that people " massive majority " including me supported the goverment

but after this much of innocent bloodshed no human can stomach

will no longer support such acts .. those people whom been killed are our own people

some of them are close friends as well

they cannot hide the truth forever .. it's their fault after all

to think they can solve this by killing of people

giving the thought i was a big supporter and the golden chance they got

to win even more support they blew it by killing people violently

did they solved things different way they would have won the people support

had they stopped the violent acts they'd ear people respect

but that's not what they want in my view and research of things

they want to rule people by fear till a level people are afraid even to speak

there's no excuse for such behavior

a bit on notice that i won't discuss it deeper is President is helpless to stop it

suffice to say there's parties who want to use the violent solution

and they have more power than the president plus control over the army

that's about all i can say about that

still the news channels made things bigger than they are previously i know

but Now things are indeed big

the people lives above all .. and things won't ever get better as long there's

victims and death

it's time to stand neutral and hope for the best for syria

Finally.

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Knight Of Shadows

i'd like to explain what happened and how it started in Daraa

now it has came to me clear how it all started

a few kids wrote on the walls something against the president " your turn now doc "

the kids were arrested and taken and tortured

the leaders of tribes in that area went to the intelligence leader who's in charge there

when i say leaders of tribes it means people of that area hold so much respect for them

like elders ...

they told the person in charge it's enough already and that they want the kids

to go back home now .. they asked that with alot of respect and in very well manners

things are beyond english describtions for them however

the person in charged said to them : if you want those kids bring the women of your town

and then you can take the kids " great insult for the honor of these elders "

that what set them off .. and to make it worse when things started

that same man said he'll put their uprise down with his shoes on their heads

that's how it came to me .. although am not sure 100%

i mean what do they think people are slaves for them ?

who do they think they are to treat people like that ?

without those people those people in high power seats would never have gotten that much

the person's dignity is above all .. and they think they can steal it away

i been ferious about it last few days even hesitated to put it here

in case they're watching .. yeah i could actually get arrested

but it longer matters many people have died already

they can no longer shut people down and let them reap the harvest of blood they planted

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Knight Of Shadows

Finally.

don't get too happy

i'll probably keep disagreeing with you on many other things :P

but on this matters it'll be a disgrace for the souls

of the people who have died to support such act

especially after knowing the truth

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MichaelW

don't get too happy

i'll probably keep disagreeing with you on many other things :P

but on this matters it'll be a disgrace for the souls

of the people who have died to support such act

especially after knowing the truth

It's fine. I don't expect anything more.

Have you heard of a cult of personality? Might explain why people still supported the President (and still do). Because what I've seen with Hafez al-Assad and increasingly his son, is such a entity.

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Ealiar101

Yesterday in front of Al-Radwan mosque, three people were calling for freedom..people instantly rushed into them and started beating them up, then some men in causual clothes tazed them, throwed them in a car and went by..I saw it with my bare eyes. :L

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Knight Of Shadows

michael the reason people support the president

is the fear to know that something they love and believed in

for a long time has been wrong

so they'd prefer to be indenial coz it's eaiser

than to deal with the fact that what they knew and loved for long

time was was not like they thoughts for long time

beside trust me the president is helpless toward the situation

it's the people around him who focused on using force

the people who been discussed by the EU

Ealiar yeah it's painful reality i also seen many cases with my eyes

which made me shift my pointview like this

the thing they're not realizing is force never works

they'll only get people like me who used to support them

to change sides coz the force and violence they're using

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dekker87

KoS - kudos to you for being honest and having your eyes opened at last.

<tips hat>

just be very careful what you post on here for the foreseeable future my friend.

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Black Red Devil

KoS - kudos to you for being honest and having your eyes opened at last.

<tips hat>

just be very careful what you post on here for the foreseeable future my friend.

HA HA. Don't ever take that hat off mate. You're going to end up going places.

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MichaelW

michael the reason people support the president

is the fear to know that something they love and believed in

for a long time has been wrong

so they'd prefer to be indenial coz it's eaiser

than to deal with the fact that what they knew and loved for long

time was was not like they thoughts for long time

That's actually a very good point you made. Now I understand completely.

So, still want democracy for Syria?

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Knight Of Shadows

i haven't said that i took theh opposite side of things michael

i said i no longer support such acts on people and that i took neutral stand

i find my self stuck between two things

1- support oppositions by doing so taking a risk of a new goverment that comes

which will eventally turn into puppets to the western hands " such as saudia "

which i'd be ashamed of till the end of times

2- support goverment which i stand 100% with it's policy toward the west but

the only way i see am taking the goverment's side is that they treat people differnetly

with more respect for the human life

so i think the neutral is the best thing to be now

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Corp

What makes you think a new government is going to be Western puppets? If a government is put into power by the people, and those people don't want to be "puppets" than there's little reason foreign policy would change. Besides I'd think that having a government that decides to improve relations with other countries would be better than a government that decides to gun down their own people.

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Knight Of Shadows

you see the reason i think such way

is because not all protests are out of good heart

some of those protests are indeed had guns and such

i am intended to look at both sides of things not one

now i reliazed that security forces indeed killing some people

while i also know that there is groups who's killing people

and attacking military bases

so it results that those protests are mix of people claiming their just rights

and on the mix you got people who want to bring the down system " at any cost "

they have not given any demands .. they didn't say what they want

they just march and scream " bring down the current system "

beside not to mention armed groups which i think their existance is not " all " a fake

now as you see i would think the best solution is

people have all their rights

1- speak freely

2- stop random arrests

3- better life conitions on all levels

4- stop the rich employers who are making kill of the situation

" to be more exact on this person who used to work for say 14000 SP per month

when more people where out of job the rich b******* made that payment 8000 per month

if that person don't like it .. they'll kick him out due to more people out of job

some one else would wanna work out of desperation "

5- and most important " stop corruption " which is the worst of all

" you go to goverment department to make some paperworks and the person in charge

treat people like dogs .. this must be dealt with "

now with those dealt with people who protest with demands have no more demands

but let's look about protests without demands

i have no doubt the second class of protests are pushed from outside

now i don't know if you reliaze syria's position in the area

and how much it gave the western presence a trouble

let's compare Saudia versus Syria

Saudia : peace with israel , peace with usa , we exactly know that saudia

is mere puppet or pawn that says and act what the usa tells them to

any one who would disagree with this is neither really ignorant of things

or indenial eiather ways .. it's fact

Syria : against usa policy in the area , officially at war with israel ,

syria was among the few countries who didn't approve and refused to be part of war on iraq

which p***ed of the usa

syria supported resistance in so many cases

syria does not bend to usa will and syria does not take orders from an occupying country

living off leeching people's oil

there is different between the two above you see .. big differnt

now " must " of syria peoples are stuck the same way i am

they see them self very proud arabs of a country that has long stood in face

of western forces and refused to be pawns like so many arabic countries

on the other hand the force those protests were met made people feel bad

they are not ready yet to depart from support .. but the fear

of new goverment that will turn into puppet to the west influence

personaly now for me .. i'd want the things above i listed to happen

and our current president to stay with our current stands and policy

sorry it tooks long but i couldn't skip the details for the meaning

and the clear idea is within the details

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MichaelW

i haven't said that i took theh opposite side of things michael

i said i no longer support such acts on people and that i took neutral stand

i find my self stuck between two things

1- support oppositions by doing so taking a risk of a new goverment that comes

which will eventally turn into puppets to the western hands " such as saudia "

which i'd be ashamed of till the end of times

2- support goverment which i stand 100% with it's policy toward the west but

the only way i see am taking the goverment's side is that they treat people differnetly

with more respect for the human life

so i think the neutral is the best thing to be now

I doubt that the current administration has much respect for human life and somehow I doubt they'll change. The people want democracy and freedom and come hell or high water, they'll get it.

Besides, Saudis are happy with their lives. Only lunatics like Osama bin Laden (who is a Saudi national) would object.

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Knight Of Shadows

how can you tell ?

i have a saudi friend who went furious last few days

even furious enough to start protest

they wouldn't allow him to marry the girl he love because she's shaia muslim

you don't hear of protests in saudia because saudia is usa puppet

and therefore it's goverment is needed to exist the way it is

not to mention " al jazeera " which saved no effort on broadcasting

the events in syria .. did not even said not even a little about protests in saudia ?

now why do you think that ? certinally not coz al jazeera are owned by saudia ?

however they might be happy .. or not .. with their life i don't care

for what's important to me not to kowtow to the western influence

and become a pet for them

that's what keeps syrians all together under the current goverment

that's another reason for the goverment to change it's methods

and it has been noticeable last few days things improved

from the prospective of where i live and things around me i mean

and from what i hear from friends but it's far from over yet

beside the goverment has lanuched alot of projects of reform

i say give it a time to take the effect before judging

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There are many who would argue that it's the US that kowtows to the Saudis. That due to their oil reserves the Saudis can do whatever they want and the US wouldn't say a word out of fear that oil production might get cut. So I don't see the Saudis as puppets at all. Perhaps their national interests just differ from Syria's. That being friendly with the US helps to further their goals and build up their country. Just because a country has a different outlook doesn't make them puppets of a foreign power.

Now as for Syria I'm sorry to say but I just don't think the US sees them as that important within the region. Iran is seen as the much bigger threat. The general tone that is taken is that when it comes to general anti-Western actions in the Middle East that Iran is the biggest problem with Syria has kind of a junior partner. A possible threat yes but not the main one. Getting Syria to shift their diplomatic outlook would be seen as important because it would have taken away an Iranian ally, not because it would help Israel. And while I'm sure that the US would love for the current Syrian government to be replaced with one that's more friendly I don't think it's a high enough of a priority to get them deeply involved in the protest movement. Their focus is just elsewhere. There hasn't be any sign in any of the news stories about the Syrian protests that the Western governments are doing anything other than watching and condemning the violence.

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Knight Of Shadows

you see corp that's where you're wrong on the first point about saudia

most of arabs knows this saudia only play the rule

usa tells them to .. say what usa want them to

i reliaze the powerful weapon in saudia hands

but as they say here a weapon in shaking hands doesn't do much

however my best guess would be that saudia don't want to bring

troubles to their people

i reliaze that every now and then they make good stands

but those stands unfortunatly aren't so many

however like i said you're wrong saudia does not have impact on usa

coz of oil i reliaze if that oil flow otherplaces

it would make things harder for the usa but it will never does

now for syria

and i have to say you're wrong about this

syria is one of the biggest throns in the area for the usa

in previous war on lebanon syria and it's supply for hezboallah

was the main reason that israel lost it's war

some people might claim israel did not lost but am sure you're sane

enough to admit that israel lost and lost big time

for it was fighting a small milita and could not win

not an army .. not a nation or a country just a miltia with limited

numder of memebers

let's also not forget it's previous support for hamas and resistance

now hamas i think has turned to egypt

which i have to say it's not bad thing am very happy about egypt

egypt has came back good old egypt they are taking stands again

egypt was the biggest ally of the west in the area

but now egypt is different and am happy about it

now if you actually looked at the results the usa + israel

presence in the area was not in a good condition at all

especially coz of egypt change

also usa has confessed financing opposition groups in syria

plus a tv channel of oppositions in syria

usa greedy hands will keep reaching so far until they're cut off

and mark my words had been there a suggestion of western military

interfernce in syria .. the syrian people will turn their attention

from protests to fighting off the western forces

there might be protests now but when the time is right

and if military interfernce ever happened no syrian will agree to it

therefore it'll be a war on syrian goverment as well as people

not a pretty sight

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That might be your view of it Knight but I can tell you as someone who lives a few hours from the US that the popular view is that the Saudis hold as much, if not more, influence over the US than the US holds over the Saudis. There are a lot of people who don't like the alliance the two countries have with each other and others who feel that following 9/11 that Saudi Arabia was a much more reasonable target than Afganistan. You might believe that the Saudis are just puppets of the US but there are a lot of Americans who believe otherwise.

And yes Israel did lose that war, though it was largely due to political reasons than military ones. But again as someone to lives right near the US I can tell you that Syria just isn't very high on their worry list right now. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Yemen, and Libya is where their focus is right now. I'm sure the US would love to see a more friendly government in place in Syria but I'm sure they see as getting deeply involved in the opposition movements, trying to control them, as being not worth the risk. Now as for Egypt it's still an open question about the kind of government that will be formed in the coming months. After all our one Egyptian member clearly said the protests were only about internal issues, not about foreign policy at all. Could be that opening the Gaza border is all they do or they could do more. Really too soon to say what kind of foreign political outlook they're going to take.

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Knight Of Shadows

you see the americans don't know except what their goverment

wants them to know ..

so i wouldn't count on their opinion on the matter as facts

it's their opinion which happens to not agree with mine

it's fair enough

but like i already mentioned the media control all

every type of media is biased to suit their agenda

don't get me wrong that include syrian media too

however the 9/11 events not worth of mentioning

coz personally i think that was just big bluff

most arabs or at least people i know thinks the same

after all it's clear who profit from the 9/11 events to the most

many questions went unanswered from the start of the event

till the end " death of osama " i mean what do they take us ?

to believe such crap about his death

anyway sorry to address so many points and drifting away

but that's my personal opinion

for egypt however it's enough for me till now what they've done

i said my personal thoughts and opinions about new egypt

it would be great if egypt no longer support the western influnce

however about syria you still fail to see the importance of syria

let's look at the surrounding area of israel "usa allies "

let's look what who does not support usa or israel ?

iraq ? hehe ? there's only syria " Only "

lebanon isn't worth mentioning they're not powerful enough

syria is the link between iran . hezboallah . resistance

you mention iran more important than syria which i agree

but do you think usa would attack iran directly ???

if you wanna weaken iran existance in the area .. you go to their allies

who's syria .. you wanna cut off iran from hezboallah ?

it's syria the key .. you wanna cut off support for resistance in palestine

from the world ? again syria is the key ..

iran turn is coming in the westerns plans but not yet

not as long have strong presence in the area through syria

iraq not worth of mentioning it's already under usa control

egypt is worth of the attention but only recently

lybia really ? :D lybia is not worth of attention

beside it's away from the area but .. it has oil .. so you might right

yemen ? they lack the power or the connections

it's all about syria

however i told you usa already interfered in syria oppositions

by supporting it and finance a tv channel of oppositions

it's no secret no more that usa interfer in syrian affairs

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Well by that logic does that not mean that Syria interfers with Lebanese affairs due to their funding of Hezboallah? That if Hezboallah gain power then Lebanon would then be a puppet of Syria.

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in a way that seems right

but let's rememeber that syrian helping out hezboallah

started when lebanon .. well part of it was under israel control

aslo .. let's also not forget that it was thanks to hezboallah

which israel left the lebanon lands

but you have to keep in mind that lebanon in that period of time

did not had the power to defend it self against israel

however there's benfits for both sides

but the most important thing is that benfit does not include treason

what i mean by treason is to keep silence about the wrong actions

by the west in the area .. the silence about palestinians rights

among many other things

let me put it in simple way .. personally i think the west " regardless "

of what nation wheather usa or another

have no right to meddle in middle east their presence is not welcome

speaking of which

there's few protests in syria today and the day before

which the reason for is to decline the american interfernce of syria

and to tell usa to mind it's own bussiness

before lecturing about human rights in syria

they should look at human rights they violated and still do

i think it's very much a hippocrate like of the usa to mention human rights

while they above all nations violated those human rights

don't you agree ?

i just don't get on which common sense the usa operate could you help with that ?

they wanna teach syria about human rights

syria a country without invasions history of some sort

while usa on the other side a country with history filled with violence

and wars and unjustifed invasions of other countries

they wanna lecture us about human rights ? the very nerve !

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Well you stated that you didn't want to support the opposition movement because they got some funding from the US and that might turn them into Syrian puppets. At the same time we have an opposition movement in Lebanon being funded by Syria. So if Syria doesn't want to influence/control/annex Lebanon as you've said in the past, then logically there is no reason to believe that the US would want to make Syria a puppet.

As for the whole human rights thing while Syria does have the US beat on not invading other countries they'd doing very badly on the whole don't shoot protesters and jail people just on their political outlook.

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