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Syrian people Support Their President

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MichaelW

michael have major misunderstanding between freedom and insults

there's freedom of speech on UM ?

does that mean you can make topic swearing on me .. i know you'd love to

but you can't .. why not ? there is freedom of speech right ?

but the fact is the freedom of speech is not the same of swearing

i feel like discussion with child here excuse me

No there isn't. I'm on other forums which permit far, far more swearing and insults (sometimes not for the purpose of insulting someone else). UM doesn't permit that therefore it is not freedom of speech. As I said, true freedom of speech gives me the right to say what I want, when I want about who I want. I don't have that freedom on here.

And besides, you don't have to swear at someone to insult them. You obviously haven't got a clue of true freedom of speech because you haven't expereinced it.

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Purplos
they can speak free " as long they don't insult " anyone

and again insults and swearing no longer " friendly " freedom of speech

Yah.. I was going to ask the same thing as Michael, but you just dismissed him with insults. I suppose on the internet in Syria you are allowed to insult people then? Just not in the streets or buildings in your country?

What would happen to someone if they did go out in the street and yell that the government was full of lying idiots who smelled like goats or something? Arrested? Sentenced to jail? Beaten? Killed? What?

Also, you conceded that there may be some people in Syria who don't agree with the government. Is it possible these people may speak out against the government then? Or no? Because most of your posts make it sound as if the idea of ANYONE protesting the Syrian govt. is ridiculous.

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Mr.United_Nations

Yah.. I was going to ask the same thing as Michael, but you just dismissed him with insults. I suppose on the internet in Syria you are allowed to insult people then? Just not in the streets or buildings in your country?

What would happen to someone if they did go out in the street and yell that the government was full of lying idiots who smelled like goats or something? Arrested? Sentenced to jail? Beaten? Killed? What?

Also, you conceded that there may be some people in Syria who don't agree with the government. Is it possible these people may speak out against the government then? Or no? Because most of your posts make it sound as if the idea of ANYONE protesting the Syrian govt. is ridiculous.

Well that person would be a hero.

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ships-cat

Knight of Shadows, the information from Syria seems very confused. As you are the "man on the spot", could you clarify two minor aspects of it for me ?

1) Is it correct that under the emergency laws a Syrian citizen can be arrested without charge by the police or security services, and held without trial indefinitely ? If true, why do these laws exist, and what is your opinion of them ?

2) Who - in YOUR opinion - where the 'gunmen in the mosque' ? Where they Syrians ? If not, who where they ? If you beleive they WHERE Syrians, then why where they behaving in such a desperate way ? What are they hoping to accomplish ?

I value your viewpoint in this regard.

meow purr :)

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Knight Of Shadows

hi shipcat i'll keep my answer till later

am just looking at other angles to see a more clear picture

the situation is far deeper than it seems

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President-Elect Acidhead

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dekker87

They are protesting for the same reasons half a million people protested in London today... high unemployment, rising costs and corruption.

This ain't about autocracy or democracy!

Its people fed up of witnessing the gap between the rich and the poor widening and mean while the cost of living is rising quickly.

There are young people between the ages of 18-30 who cannot envision a life of success before them because the system has been looted by the very people democratically elected into office.

These protests are not limited to religious dictator states. The anger is genuine and the actions speak volumes. People all around the world know the score. They know they've been picked last.... thrown on the losing team. These people know the deal. They know they've been deceived and they want their piece of the cake.

PSML!!!

you are quite possibly the most deluded f'wit i've ever come across on any forum on the internet ever.

complete and utter moron.

WHERE has anyone, anywhere said anything to confirm anything you have written!?!?

religious dictator states.

syria is not a religious state....it is run by the secular Syrian baath party.

seriously...you've just totally made that entire post up haven't you!!

democratically elected into office.

in Syria!!! there is no democracy in Syria!! opposition parties are banned ffs.

you and KoS have really outdone yourselves on this thread...never in the field of forum posting have 2 posters made themselves look so stupid in such a short space of time.

you'd have more accurate points if you were arguin that the world is flat.

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Knight Of Shadows

lol am not the one who's chating

' i want you to be free " .. you are dekker

so you're the stupid person who wanna make decisions for other people

crazy people don't know they're crazy they think they're the most sane

people on planet ... does that tells you anything :D ???

mr : i want you to be free

however there's updates on the situation which i'll post later

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Knight Of Shadows

a friend of mine who lives in lattikia have said on the phone yesterday

their nighborhood was shut from both exist by security forces

after the residents there reported a car without numbers

and four people armed shooting randomly

security forces caught 2 of them 2 tired ot escape but one got caught

and the last one hid inside area for 3 hours

but eventally got caught with security forces when at last made

escape attempt

by the way from all the people i know

only one seem to be against bashar .. and i know alot of people

it's stupid when some one outside of my country comes and tell me

how things are while their only connection to the matter

is their stupid media

i seen their media ,, our media ,, and real live events

beside what i get from friends who live in different cities :P

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ships-cat

PSML!!!

you are quite possibly the most ....

complete and utter .....

you and KoS have really outdone yourselves on this thread...never in the field of forum posting have 2 posters made themselves look so stupid in such a short space of time.

you'd have more accurate points if you were arguin that the world is flat.

That's a bit RUDE isn't it ? :blink:

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Knight Of Shadows

Knight of Shadows, the information from Syria seems very confused. As you are the "man on the spot", could you clarify two minor aspects of it for me ?

1) Is it correct that under the emergency laws a Syrian citizen can be arrested without charge by the police or security services, and held without trial indefinitely ? If true, why do these laws exist, and what is your opinion of them ?

2) Who - in YOUR opinion - where the 'gunmen in the mosque' ? Where they Syrians ? If not, who where they ? If you beleive they WHERE Syrians, then why where they behaving in such a desperate way ? What are they hoping to accomplish ?

I value your viewpoint in this regard.

meow purr :)

ok i'll try to explain the situation it's complex and hard to so bear with me

first i'll answer your questions

1- yes correct the emergency law is like that and worked well

you see syria was one of the safest countries .. rarely crimes accure

but also that's sometimes makes people being held unfairly

which was good step to turn that law off

2- the people in mosque weren't syrians .. here's the complex begins

the plan to destroy syria and divide it on racial basis

each and every area of syria got certain type of people , religon ,

you got

1-sunni muslims majority in damascus

2-various tribes in daraa

3-kurds , shaia muslims , christians , druze , etc etc

the event in daraa was started by non-syrians

but some syrians joined coz the requests such as more freedom

and better life .. etc etc are all honest and legitimate requests

so when the protest start peacfully the goverment might allow it peacefully

or try to put it down in easy way such as answering requests of people

when things does not go in the favor of the non-syrians

who's plan not to get more freedom or better life

so some of these people job is to shoot the protests and video tape it

if the police does not interfer they shoot the protest

at some advanced levels if the people started to calm down

and the goverment answered their requests

some of those non-syrians attack protesters

what we get ? police in civilians clothes attacking protesters

video taped .. like what happened but not too much blood

they wouldn't want people to have enough fear to calm down

that's the first part of the plan

the second part is to link all those things to the goverment

and bashar which would make it look like every thing coz of him

and his goverment

now the supporter of bashar will clash with the misleaded anti-goverment

syrians .. none syrians people which would make forces of goverment

scattared all over syria and in very weak shape

then ... here am talking about the future in predictions

in daraa by outsiders non-syrians will kill few people of some tribes

and leave the rest .. which would make those tribes think the other attacked them

bloodshed

in the coast .. lattakia and tartous etc

people will have enough of voilence .. which is hapening now

and will be pushed to think muslims are the reason of it

more bloodshed

in other places the majority of each race or religion will target

the minority

that minority is the majority and versus vica they'll avenge what happend

to what happened in other place by more bloodshed

i know it's very complex situation

but it's already happening and we seen it in iraq

the sunnah and shia and kurds wars

again all things will be linked to the goverment as it collapse

i hope it made my point clear or at least close to be understood

as i know people like michael and dekker will come and talk crap

but it's the truth so far before the predictions

but the people who live far will never get to see the real situation here

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dekker87

That's a bit RUDE isn't it ? :blink:

it's intended to be. and it's accurate. that post is moronic.

acidhead is making stuff up...people are fighting and dying for freedom in Syria in the face of a brutal dictatorship and acidhead is denying their efforts and making posts that have absolutely zero basis in fact...simply because he holds a deep rooted hatred of the west.

i'll break it down step by step:

They are protesting for the same reasons half a million people protested in London today

no they are not. the protestors in syria are protesting because they want the power of the secret police curtailed, want the rule of law to be adhered to, the release of tens of thousands of political prisoners, to be allowed the freedom of expression, to be told what happened to 1000's who were 'detained' during the 1980s, human rights, the repeal of the state of emergency which totally curtails the rule of law...basically Syria wants democracy.

what they are NOT protesting about is government cuts to public services...which IS what the march in London was all about.

This ain't about autocracy or democracy!

yes it absolutely is about that!!

Its people fed up of witnessing the gap between the rich and the poor widening and mean while the cost of living is rising quickly.

Syrians are fed up of having no voice. of having no say in the political life of their country. the above sentence is total nonsense dreamed up by someone who clearly has not the remotest idea what is goin on.

There are young people between the ages of 18-30 who cannot envision a life of success before them because the system has been looted by the very people democratically elected into office

no-one is 'democratically elected' in Syria. there is no democracy in syria. oppostion parties are banned. there is only the Baath party. minority alawi's dominate the government.

These protests are not limited to religious dictator states.

syria is not a religious state. syria has a secular constitution.

The anger is genuine and the actions speak volumes.

indeed. then why do you insist on making up lies to suit your paradigm of west = evil and everywhere is paradise.

@ shipscat - is it more acceptable to be rude to someone on a forum? or to play 'let's pretend' when people's lives are at stake? i'd hate to think any normal syrian finds access to this board and see's the bs being peddled by KoS and his retarded lackey...these people need our support not our lies.

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Knight Of Shadows

ha what ignorant post of some one who lives far and only see

what's his media " allow " him to see

i just wonder why the media don't broadcast marches

for the support of goverment and current system ?

they been busy eh ?

stop embarrase your self it's like telling you dekker you're hungry

you reply : AM NOT

i reply : no you are really hungry

you reply : BUT AM NOT

me reply : you don't know am telling you you're hungry

please your bull of opinions are too far ahead your head

state them without making opinions on other people behalf

we can decide with without your damn help

on various oceasons you didn't seem so eagrly love the syrian peoples

what changed ? ;)

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Knight Of Shadows

why don't you make up more nicknames with syrians locations

and tell me otherwise :lol:

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dekker87
[ha what ignorant post of some one who lives far and only see

what's his media " allow " him to see

PMSL!!!

i can access the media anywhere in the world...at home, on my television, i can watch sky news, bbc, cnn, cnbc, russia today (sponsored by the kremlin), france 24, press tv (iranian state tv, al arabiya, al jazeera, fox news (like syrian state tv, but for retards), NHK, CCTV (chinese state tv), euronews....etc etc etc.

what news can you get on your tv KoS?

Syrian State Television.

That's all.

stop embarrase your self it's like telling you dekker you're hungry

you reply : AM NOT

i reply : no you are really hungry

you reply : BUT AM NOT

me reply : you don't know am telling you you're hungry

my arguments are reasoned and explained. you just post half-legible illogical gibberish.

on various oceasons you didn't seem so eagrly love the syrian peoples

what changed ? ;)

they've risen up against the scum.

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Corp

If over 94% of Syrians support the government (from last election) how can this "plot" to break up Syria work? You can't bring down a government or a country with only 6% of the population.

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Knight Of Shadows

PMSL!!!

i can access the media anywhere in the world...at home, on my television, i can watch sky news, bbc, cnn, cnbc, russia today (sponsored by the kremlin), france 24, press tv (iranian state tv, al arabiya, al jazeera, fox news (like syrian state tv, but for retards), NHK, CCTV (chinese state tv), euronews....etc etc etc.

what news can you get on your tv KoS?

Syrian State Television.

That's all.

my arguments are reasoned and explained. you just post half-legible illogical gibberish.

they've risen up against the scum.

first of all if you want this discussion to go on

you should stop your bull on claiming things on other people behalf

coz i got every channels you mentioned plus all payperview channels

avilable to me and most of syrians

and i doubt you got the syrian news channel

otherwise you'd shut up with the protest and crap talk

coz you would have saw the marches in large numbers to support the president

which you always ignore

so try again although i know it's gonna be failure like the rest of your

worthless post .. eiather insults .. or claiming stuff for other people

or switching points .. .. hmm what else you do ?

oohhh your hippocrates talk of freedom and you want syrian people to be free

which is annoying coz you don't know how life in syria is

and you wanna be the judge of the situation

as far as you know .. only two syrians on this site .. and both of them

state they like their president .. which makes you feel bad eh ? :D

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Knight Of Shadows

If over 94% of Syrians support the government (from last election) how can this "plot" to break up Syria work? You can't bring down a government or a country with only 6% of the population.

logic results yes

but break those results

to sunni muslims .. shaia muslims . christians . druez . kurds .

alwieh , nonsyrians

clash them together .. place the blame on the goverment

the country collapse

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ships-cat

KoS is describing the situation as HE (or she) sees it. And that deserves rudeness ?

.....my arguments are reasoned and explained. you just post half-legible illogical gibberish.

I consider that a rather feeble and underhanded position to adopt. Presumably KoS's first language is NOT English. How legible (1) would YOUR posts be if you where to try expressing them in Arabic ?

(1) = Umm... legible to other Arabs, that is... obviously they would be illegible to the majority of members on this forum.

KoS, you make mention of "non-Syrians" acting to provoke disturbances. Who do you beleive these people are ? Where are they from ?

meow purr :)

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Corp

logic results yes

but break those results

to sunni muslims .. shaia muslims . christians . druez . kurds .

alwieh , nonsyrians

clash them together .. place the blame on the goverment

the country collapse

I guess that since you've often presented Syria has being firmly united behind their government that I find the idea that as few shootings can destroy that unity to be quite odd.

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Knight Of Shadows

KoS is describing the situation as HE (or she) sees it. And that deserves rudeness ?

I consider that a rather feeble and underhanded position to adopt. Presumably KoS's first language is NOT English. How legible (1) would YOUR posts be if you where to try expressing them in Arabic ?

(1) = Umm... legible to other Arabs, that is... obviously they would be illegible to the majority of members on this forum.

KoS, you make mention of "non-Syrians" acting to provoke disturbances. Who do you beleive these people are ? Where are they from ?

meow purr :)

thanks shipcat and am he

however for the non-syrians .. there has been some events which

would make it more clear

1- the unknown cars giving food as charity .. poisoned food

egyptians and algerians , tunisians

2- snipers on the roofs shooting people randomly in lattika

iraqes

with more cases which am not fully aware of so i wouldn't bother to mention

however there's the case of eyewitnesses

people getting paid from news channel per pic

so some of the shots were taken from marches to " support " the president

and posted as protests

every time you see on channels as bbc , alarabe etc there's protests

the syrian tv is there and the protests are .. marches of support

the so called eyewitnesses getting paid for pics .. videos ...

and making phone calls

there has been a case of person in damascus

where ever there's claims of protest he calls and say he's on the

area of protest and the police killing and using force

he was caught and confessed the payments he got for the calls he makes

however like i said .. even some number of syrians " small " though

is part of these along with non-syrians who steering troubles

the main and most important thing is who they work for

which i won't admit knowing coz it's not clear yet

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Knight Of Shadows

I guess that since you've often presented Syria has being firmly united behind their government that I find the idea that as few shootings can destroy that unity to be quite odd.

coz the shooting aren't as randomly they may target randomly

but the goal isn't randomly

the idea to create hostility between races,religions,ethincs

which would get worse it's not simple matter

if this happens not even the whole military of the goverment

can stop it

except by spreading education on the matter and prevent it

from happening which is being done already

president bashar asked his supporters " NOT " to gather

to prevent clashes with other peoples and avoid troubles

and posters to keep open mind on the random shooters and unknown

attackers and not to blame other ethnic or religous or other races

on the death of people

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ships-cat

I guess that since you've often presented Syria has being firmly united behind their government that I find the idea that as few shootings can destroy that unity to be quite odd.

Oh I don't know. Sarejevo, 1914 ? That only took ONE shot.

meow purr :)

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...however for the non-syrians .. there has been some events which

would make it more clear

1- the unknown cars giving food as charity .. poisoned food

egyptians and algerians , tunisians

2- snipers on the roofs shooting people randomly in lattika

iraqes

with more cases which am not fully aware of so i wouldn't bother to mention

....

Egyptians, Algerians, Tunisians and Iraqi's ? That is a strange combination. Do any of those nations have a traditional political hostility to Syria ? Or is there a religious angle here ?

What is the evidence of these nationalities being involved ? Have any been captured ? Has this information been published by the Syrian government, or any formal charges made ? Or is it still at the rumour/investigation stage ?

meow purr :)

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Michelle

Here are three links to Syrian newspapers.

Media sources reveals details of a conspiracy by Bandar Bin Sultan and Feltman to "destroy" Syria

Several media sources have revealed the details of a "well-organized" plan to destroy Syria and create chaos in the country. The plan is said to be drawn up by Bandar bin Sultan, the former Saudi ambassador to the United States, in collaboration with the former U.S. Ambassador in Lebanon, "Jeffrey Feltman" to overthrow the regime in Syria and to bring Syria back to the "stone age", according to the sources.

The lengthy and detailed plan, developed by Bandar bin Sultan and his friend Feltman in 2008 with a funding reached $ 2 billion, consists of many items and precise details which significantly intersect with the incidents of disturbances the city of Daraa has recently witnessed.

According to sources, the plan "strategically" depended on the exploitation of peoples' legitimate desire in freedom, dignity and getting rid of corruption and on the turning of these wishes into a revolt against the regime through convincing the people that the road to reform from within the regime is closed and the solution is an all-out revolution.

cont...

http://www.champress.net/index.php?q=en/Article/view/86507

http://newsfromsyria.com/

http://www.syria-today.com/

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