EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

[preacherman76]

Hydrogen boost - a way of extracting more of the embodied energy in the petrol by promoting a more complete burn. I think the claimed for gains are about 15%.

Br Cornelius

These simple "kits" will increase your fuel economy and decrease your bills and dependence on foreign petroleum by anywhere from 15 to 300 percent.

Read more: The Truth About Water-Powered Cars: Mechanic's Diary - Popular Mechanics

[Guest]

These simple "kits" will increase your fuel economy and decrease your bills and dependence on foreign petroleum by anywhere from 15 to 300 percent.

Read more: The Truth About Water-Powered Cars: Mechanic's Diary - Popular Mechanics

Show me an attested boost better than 15%.

There is nothing special about this technology - but a claim of 300% would require a conversion of petrols embodied energy of nearly 100% which again is physically impossible. Make the claim - back it up with some reliable evidence.

A claim of 300% seems like very dodgy salemanship.

And on the other point - until you can explain how such a water based car might actually work - I don't give a flying fig for what a fox reporter has said.

Br Cornelius

Edited March 31, 2011 by Guest

[preacherman76]

Show me an attested boost better than 15%.

There is nothing special about this technology - but a claim of 300% would require a conversion of petrols embodied energy of nearly 100% which again is physically impossible. Make the claim - back it up with some reliable evidence.

A claim of 300% seems like very dodgy salemanship.

And on the other point - until you can explain how such a water based car might actually work - I don't give a flying fig for what a fox reporter has said.

Br Cornelius

Im not saying it, Popular Mechanics is.

I dont care what a reporter says either. I care about what I saw with my own eyes, that fox happened to be reporting.

[questionmark]

Personally I can say I never owned a car when living in a big city in Europe. Just another problem you have and seldom use its advantages (In the US it is different as there are mostly not even sidewalks to get you to the next mall). The three days a year I actually needed a car I went over to the next rental place. Now, I always used to have a few motorcycles to use on the weekend....

[Guest]

Im not saying it, Popular Mechanics is.

Can you provide a link, I would be interested in the basis of any such claim and who actually is making it.

A nice simple analysis of what is proably going on with the "water" powered car;

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/06/genepax-water-powered-car-japan-debunking.php

Here is a more detailed analysis of what Genepax have actually achieved;

"

As we all suspected, the car we saw in the Reuters news video was running from it's charged batteries, not direct electricity from the fuel cell. Nevertheless, getting 300 watts of power from a metalic reaction with water is a worthy accomplishment. We now wait to see how long the metals last before they deteriorate into useless oxides or other inert compounds."

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Genepax_Co_Ltd

Let me just ask you - do you understand what power is required to move a car, in the order of 50-100kw. The unit in the boot of the car was producing 300W which means that the car was running on battery with the Genepax providing barely a trickle top up charge. It would have required about a week to restock the batteries once exhausted.

Until someone provided compelling verified evidence of why the laws of thermodynamics are flawed - I will remain skeptical.

You really should be a little less credulous of impossible claims - it makes you look ill informed.

Br Cornelius

Edited March 31, 2011 by Guest

[Guest]

On the subject in hand. Cities are actually quite efficient and pleasant places to live - if designed properly. Having lived in a city I can attest to the fact that the main thing that ruins them is the damn cars. It is progressive and sensible to phase cars out of cities, and replace them with integrated public transport systems.

In some ways I regret moving out to the country and making myself so dependent on private car ownership.

Br Cornelius

[Viral]

MMM did you even watch the video?

And yes, its very easy to find out who made the video. They are not even trying to lie about it. Do your research.

Ive known LONG before they made these plans public, through a number of sources that the elites end game plan is to dramaticaly reduce the population and heard everyone left in to big cities, where everything you do is controled by them. First through the IMF and a one world currency, that eventualy will be controled totaly by a one world government.

What else Would you call someone who willfully blindly endorces thier own enslavement?

Open your eyes

Holy crap! Someone who believes in the New World Order didn't give me a straight reply and back it up with evidence, shock horror!

Yeah, proof rather than outrageous claims... Maybe you could also tell me why this would benefit them in any way rather than says "I HAS SOURCES! TRUST ME IT'S TRUE!" because nobody will buy that ****.

Well what would you call someone who watches conspiracy videos on Youtube without thinking to looking further into its claims and instead lord it over everyone else like they have some divine knowledge? That's more Sheepish than actually thinking for yourself and not having the government (lolnwo) or youtube tell you everything.

[Space Commander Travis]

Im not saying it, Popular Mechanics is.

I dont care what a reporter says either. I care about what I saw with my own eyes, that fox happened to be reporting.

You believe everything Fox News says ..... ?

[dekker87]

You believe everything Fox News says ..... ?

couldn't make this **** up could ya!

[preacherman76]

Can you provide a link, I would be interested in the basis of any such claim and who actually is making it.

A nice simple analysis of what is proably going on with the "water" powered car;

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/06/genepax-water-powered-car-japan-debunking.php

Here is a more detailed analysis of what Genepax have actually achieved;

Yes, you can run your car on water. All it takes is to build a "water-burning hybrid" is the installation of a simple, often home-made electrolysis cell under the hood of your vehicle. The key is to take electricity from the car's electrical system to electrolyze water into a gaseous mixture of hydrogen and oxygen, often referred to as Brown's Gas or HHO or oxyhydrogen. Typically, the mixture is in a ratio of 2:1 hydrogen atoms to oxygen atoms. This is then immediately piped into the intake manifold to replace some of the expensive gasoline you've been paying through the nose for these last couple of months. These simple "kits" will increase your fuel economy and decrease your bills and dependence on foreign petroleum by anywhere from 15 to 300 percent.

Read more: The Truth About Water-Powered Cars: Mechanic's Diary - Popular Mechanics

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/gas-mileage/4271579

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Genepax_Co_Ltd

Let me just ask you - do you understand what power is required to move a car, in the order of 50-100kw. The unit in the boot of the car was producing 300W which means that the car was running on battery with the Genepax providing barely a trickle top up charge. It would have required about a week to restock the batteries once exhausted.

Until someone provided compelling verified evidence of why the laws of thermodynamics are flawed - I will remain skeptical.

You really should be a little less credulous of impossible claims - it makes you look ill informed.

Br Cornelius

Hey I dont claim to know anything about this. Im not a scientist, nor have I claimed to be. I will check out your link

[preacherman76]

Holy crap! Someone who believes in the New World Order didn't give me a straight reply and back it up with evidence, shock horror!

Yeah, proof rather than outrageous claims... Maybe you could also tell me why this would benefit them in any way rather than says "I HAS SOURCES! TRUST ME IT'S TRUE!" because nobody will buy that ****.

Well what would you call someone who watches conspiracy videos on Youtube without thinking to looking further into its claims and instead lord it over everyone else like they have some divine knowledge? That's more Sheepish than actually thinking for yourself and not having the government (lolnwo) or youtube tell you everything.

Ive been studying this subject in depth for years. This is what is so funny about sheep. They think cause they use the word "conspiracy" that it automaticaly means it isnt happening. Over information you wont even look at. Everything in that video is verfiable, documented. But there are none so blind as those who refuse to see. And like I said, make fun all you want. I stand in the face of adversity. The hour is too late for humanity, to worry about ridicule from the likes of people like yourself. Im sounding the alarm, for humanity, and for my children. Cause the only thing that will stop these people is a educated public. And people are waking by the millions as we speak.

Then again, I am talking to man who lives in the most electronicaly surveillanced country on the planet. You are already behind prison bars, and you think you are ok, just cause you cant see them.

Edited April 1, 2011 by preacherman76

[preacherman76]

You believe everything Fox News says ..... ?

Certainly not. Especialy politicaly.

[preacherman76]

couldn't make this **** up could ya!

You could. But you wouldnt have the first idea of what you were talking about.

[questionmark]

Right, like I said, the car runs on nothing but water. H20. It seperates hydrogent from water, and burns it. And thats only one form of the tech.

In the first video, they put a radio wave through salt water, and makes it combustable. Cars running from water is one hell of a sales pitch. I mean are we not talking alternative energy here?

The problem is that you need more energy to separate the H2O then you will get as work out of your car... besides, BMW has had a Hydrogen car for the better part of the last 20 years. Mercedes a fuel cell car for the better part of the last 25 years.

As long as it is more expensive to separate the water than buying gasoline it is a non-starter...unless of course you can't take gasoline cars into cities anymore...

[Viral]

Ive been studying this subject in depth for years. This is what is so funny about sheep. They think cause they use the word "conspiracy" that it automaticaly means it isnt happening. Over information you wont even look at. Everything in that video is verfiable, documented. But there are none so blind as those who refuse to see. And like I said, make fun all you want. I stand in the face of adversity. The hour is too late for humanity, to worry about ridicule from the likes of people like yourself. Im sounding the alarm, for humanity, and for my children. Cause the only thing that will stop these people is a educated public. And people are waking by the millions as we speak.

Then again, I am talking to man who lives in the most electronicaly surveillanced country on the planet. You are already behind prison bars, and you think you are ok, just cause you cant see them.

You've been studying this for years, have you? Well if you have then how about you actually argue rather than point to a video, give me some ****ing evidence.

Thing is mate, how about instead of saying how everyone else are just part of a mindless flock and how you're standing up for humanity (which I find laughably arrogant by the way) you give me some cold, hard facts. You're not educating anyone because you don't give people views or ideas, you just post videos and regurgitate lines from them, I've seen all these little videos before and they had me paranoid for a while until I actually started thinking critically about them.

Then again, I'm talking to a man who is so consumed by paranoia, fear and arrogance that he blindly follows a video of Youtube, sad really. Though out of all of this it's really just your arrogance that gets to me the most.

[MichaelW]

Silly people.

That video wasn't fasicsm. It was communism. Stalinist Soviet Union/North Korea style.

Edited April 2, 2011 by MichaelW

[Mattshark]

Silly people.

That video wasn't fasicsm. It was communism. Stalinist Soviet Union/North Korea style.

Do you mean totalitarianism.

[MichaelW]

Do you mean totalitarianism.

Yes, that. I still wouldn't want to live in that though. It's my version of hell on Earth.

Haven't seen you on in a while.

[preacherman76]

You've been studying this for years, have you? Well if you have then how about you actually argue rather than point to a video, give me some ****ing evidence.

Thing is mate, how about instead of saying how everyone else are just part of a mindless flock and how you're standing up for humanity (which I find laughably arrogant by the way) you give me some cold, hard facts. You're not educating anyone because you don't give people views or ideas, you just post videos and regurgitate lines from them, I've seen all these little videos before and they had me paranoid for a while until I actually started thinking critically about them.

Then again, I'm talking to a man who is so consumed by paranoia, fear and arrogance that he blindly follows a video of Youtube, sad really. Though out of all of this it's really just your arrogance that gets to me the most.

Yea you are right, what could people possibly learn from a DOCUMENTARY covering nearly every corner on the subject? If you want me to hold your hand and walk you through it step by step, its not gonna happen. I have no interest in helping people who dont want to help themselfs.

How exactly did you expect me to respond to your mockery?

[Guest]

Yea you are right, what could people possibly learn from a DOCUMENTARY covering nearly every corner on the subject? If you want me to hold your hand and walk you through it step by step, its not gonna happen. I have no interest in helping people who dont want to help themselfs.

How exactly did you expect me to respond to your mockery?

The mind is a wonderful thing, and it achieve wonderful things in joining the dots - even when they are totally random.

Simple stories appeal because they account for all the facts in a neat little package. This is why religion has been such a successful strategy for understanding the world.

The religious mind and the Conspiracy mind walk hand in hand down the sweet smelling path of delusion.

I to have walked that path - so I should know .

Br Cornelius

[Viral]

Yea you are right, what could people possibly learn from a DOCUMENTARY covering nearly every corner on the subject? If you want me to hold your hand and walk you through it step by step, its not gonna happen. I have no interest in helping people who dont want to help themselfs.

How exactly did you expect me to respond to your mockery?

and that proves it to me. Whether you accept it or not, you're completely deluded. Just as a religious man can't, you can give me no actual sound logic to your posts or give me evidence other than "There's a documentary over there..." one that I have in fact seen before as I used to believe all this crap (albeit 3 years ago when I was 15). I don't want nor need you to hold my hand and walk me through it but you cannot give me any evidence other than the movie yet you claim to of studied it for years. If you had indeed studied it and found good evidence you'd have more than the work of someone else to show for it.

[Render]

This article of the telegraph is a HOAX

Contrary to comments made by a government Minister today, the European Commission is not considering an EU level ban on cars in city centres by 2050. Cities are of course best placed to decide their own transport mix.

[preacherman76]

and that proves it to me. Whether you accept it or not, you're completely deluded. Just as a religious man can't, you can give me no actual sound logic to your posts or give me evidence other than "There's a documentary over there..." one that I have in fact seen before as I used to believe all this crap (albeit 3 years ago when I was 15). I don't want nor need you to hold my hand and walk me through it but you cannot give me any evidence other than the movie yet you claim to of studied it for years. If you had indeed studied it and found good evidence you'd have more than the work of someone else to show for it.

Some might see it like that. Others might say you are just lazy, and dont want to investigate the claims made in the documentary. Its cool, I didnt know anything at 18 either, but thought I knew everything. It comes with the age.

[preacherman76]

The mind is a wonderful thing, and it achieve wonderful things in joining the dots - even when they are totally random.

Simple stories appeal because they account for all the facts in a neat little package. This is why religion has been such a successful strategy for understanding the world.

The religious mind and the Conspiracy mind walk hand in hand down the sweet smelling path of delusion.

I to have walked that path - so I should know .

Br Cornelius

Nothing said here disproves anything. I respect your opinion BR, but till you are ready to look at and investigate the claims, how could you possibly know?

[Guest]

Nothing said here disproves anything. I respect your opinion BR, but till you are ready to look at and investigate the claims, how could you possibly know?

You make the false assumption that I have not looked into these matters.

I think I have very adequately crushed your notions of a surpressed water fuel technology - I did plenty of research on the subject in my more innocent days. You have produced nothing but vague speculations to support any real scientific breakthrough. Remember I have a scientific training - which you do not. It takes a basic understanding of the conceptual basis of reality to judge free energy claims, which you seem not to possess.

Non of that is directed as an insult - we are all ignorant of facts which are freely available, its a question of whether we attempt to cure ourselves of our ignorance or whether we embrace it as the truth. I chose to educate myself about science - ie the fundamental mechanics of the universe.

As I said - I walked down that path of believing in the Conspiracy model of the world, then I woke up to reality.

None of this says that I do not accept numerous conspiracies exist and effect our lives - its the bit where people speculate about how they are all one in the same and then attribute it to the Devil that I don't buy into. Almost all seeming conspiracies are easily accounted for as the natural outcome of a market based corporate structure - people looking after number one.

Br Cornelius

Edited April 4, 2011 by Guest