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We are fighting against Sharia law operating anywhere in the country and fighting against prejudice, against women, Jews, Hindus, anyone. It’s not Islam. We are fighting against Islamists.
The English Defence League have been described as a group comprised of “Home-grown racists. A violent, racist organisation with links to the British National Party and other fascist groups” (Unite Against Fascism) and “A new kind of threat: a cultural movement that is unpredictable and violent” (Labour MP Jon Cruddas). Detective Chief Superintendent Adrian Tudway, the man in charge of monitoring domestic extremism, says that “our biggest single area of business [is] the various groups which call themselves defence leagues”. David Cameron has simply said: “The EDL are terrible people… if we needed to ban them, we would ban them”.
Roberta, with her long red-tinted hair, glasses and tiny, almost fragile frame, doesn’t look like she’s one of them. And neither do the other protesters holding her flag: Joe, an erudite, openly gay communist who talks to anyone who will listen about the betrayal of the working classes, and Lee, a seemingly bright 17-year-old student, whose mother is Iranian, and who one day wants to join the army as an officer. But they are. Between them they pull open the cloth and the ubiquitous St George’s cross shines back. One quarter is filled with a large, blue Star of David. The flag reads: EDL, Jewish Division.
It claims to be a non-violent and non-racist organisation. The organisation is broken up into several divisions – including a Sikh Division, a Hindu Division, a Pakistani Christian Division, even a Gay Division – all united around the single issue of Islam, and stopping what they perceive as the spread of Sharia law in the UK. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Roberta is the leader and beating heart of the EDL’s Jewish Division, feeding on the mistrust and fear amongst many British Jews towards Israel’s hostile Arab neighbours. Joe heads up the Gay Division. “I’m a socialist, a communist,” he explains, picking up his placard as the protest starts to slowly move towards the starting point of the march. On it is emblazoned the slogan “Islamists are Nazis.” Usually he would hold a pink triangle that states, correctly: “Hamas Hates Homos”.

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All I can say is its about time the English take back their country from these barbarians of Mecca.

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Honestly, I'm surprised there's so many factions involved. I'm perhaps most surprised by there being a gay faction. I'd heard they were homophobic, so that seems puzzling to me.

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Honestly, I'm surprised there's so many factions involved. I'm perhaps most surprised by there being a gay faction. I'd heard they were homophobic, so that seems puzzling to me.

i dunno where you got that from....that's a new one.

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i dunno where you got that from....that's a new one.

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I'm still surprised by it, but it's a good kind of surpise (which are rare these days).

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“We are fighting against the Islam-ification of the country. We are fighting against Sharia law operating anywhere in the country and fighting against prejudice, against women, Jews, Hindus, anyone. It’s not Islam. We are fighting against Islamists.”

Well, considering there's an effort, which can be found online easily enough, that denounces any allusion to "Islamification", as a "urban legend" and unworthy of being taken seriously, I wish the EDL all the success in the world.

It's so easy to say, oh that's not happening here! And when creeping Sharia smacks the public attention through media reports of murdered daughters, due to their being deemed too "westernized" by their murdering father, it's not urban legend at all. It's a bloody urban fact. Ignoring the reports that occur about terrorist Islam's crimes in neighborhoods in England, on a case by case basis, while excusing it as a rare thing or worse yet, to pander to bleeding hearts who say, well we have to be tolerant of other cultures, is to ignore what's happening in one's own backyard that supports the facts Islamification is having great affect. When native citizens excuse violent Muslims behaviors, because they're Muslim's, or it's a rare thing, or one has to be tolerant. Or, it's not as bad as they say, people are just propagating the fear because they're Islamophobic!

If England want's to survive, they better with a quickness become TerroristIslamophobic and then they better become English activists fighting against terrorist Islam gaining a foothold. Creeping Sharia, domestic Taliban social agenda's among non-Muslim communities, can only gain success if they're pardoned, excused or permitted to.

Because radical terrorist Islam does not tolerate anyone else. It's why you'll witness Muslims demanding their right to build their Mosques in western territories, but there's not a single Jewish temple nor Christian church permitted to be erected in Saudi Arabia or Mecca!

And Christians in Iraq are screaming to get out, because terrorist Muslims there are killing them, while America and her allies still have troops in place and especially when we were there in force. How's that happen? One has to wonder. When America is wrongly called a, "Christian nation" and our troops are on the ground in Iraq, and all the while terrorist Muslims are abducting, slaughtering "Apostates" (Muslims that converted to Christianity) and burning churches, that were permitted to operate in the open during Husein's reign, without abatement.

Tolerance be damned!

One only tolerates what is otherwise intolerable.

No nation's people have to tolerate a terrorist agenda! Islam is not a religion. It's a political ideology clad as a religion. England better fight terrorist Islam as they'd fight any aggressor against their nation and people. Else, tolerance will enslave them all one pandering excuse at a time.

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Once again ignoring the Jewish courts, silly EDL. Abolish all religion from law not just Sharia, I'm just saying.

And Christians in Iraq are screaming to get out, because terrorist Muslims there are killing them, while America and her allies still have troops in place and especially when we were there in force. How's that happen? One has to wonder. When America is wrongly called a, "Christian nation" and our troops are on the ground in Iraq, and all the while terrorist Muslims are abducting, slaughtering "Apostates" (Muslims that converted to Christianity) and burning churches, that were permitted to operate in the open during Husein's reign, without abatement.

So... We should be as bad as dark-age barely-human brainwashed morons? I still say it's the countries that's the problem and not the faith, I mean atrocities have been committed in the name of most religions it's just we became sane before they did and its caused a cultural clash. Unfortunately some western people become brainwashed too, I realise this but we need to stamp our dark-age thought before we tackle the religion.

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When religion is used as the law there is no right as there can be no clear definition making a law based on faith that of a man and not that of a society. If a political party uses a god to govern that man is by default a dictator. The use of religion in any political field should scream of wtf.

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Once again ignoring the Jewish courts, silly EDL. Abolish all religion from law not just Sharia, I'm just saying.

jews aren't trying to change the rest of the country to suit them...and they aren't out demonstrating for the imposition of sharia law for the whole uk like some so-called muslims are.

most people aren't aware of jewish courts and that says it all.

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When religion is used as the law there is no right as there can be no clear definition making a law based on faith that of a man and not that of a society. If a political party uses a god to govern that man is by default a dictator. The use of religion in any political field should scream of wtf.

do i really need to point out that religion is a man made edifice and any religious laws are man made.

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“We are fighting against the Islam-ification of the country. We are fighting against Sharia law operating anywhere in the country and fighting against prejudice, against women, Jews, Hindus, anyone. It’s not Islam. We are fighting against Islamists.”

:lol::lol::lol:

i keep reading that like it's saying they want to fight everyone....there shouldnt be a comma after prejudice.

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do i really need to point out that religion is a man made edifice and any religious laws are man made.

And the Islamist's response would be ... "except Islam, that was dictated by Allah" ;)

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And the Islamist's response would be ... "except Islam, that was dictated by Allah" ;)

if you read about the history of Islam from contempory sources 'his' name was actually Alan and he was actually a used camel salesmen with delusions of grandeur.

'there is no god but Alan'

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My biggest problem with the EDL is their methods.

They use rhetoric to whip people up into an anti-islamic frenzy and then loose them on town centres to cause havoc.

However much the main EDL web pages claim they have peaceful, inclusive intentions, the demos and actions of their supporters reveal a nasty streak of violence, hatred and bigotry.

My home town, Halifax has had the 'pleasure' of recently becoming a bit of a focus point for the EDL. The Yorkshire EDL Halifax Division facebook page has been filled daily with vile rants from EDL supporters. It culminated last weekend in a heavily policed town centre.

The local muslim youth have cottoned on to the rising EDL presence in the town and held a demo of 50 people about a mile out of town in a park in what they consider 'their' area.

In response, the EDL supporters from around Yorkshire gathered 200 right in the middle of the town centre, disrupting regular folk trying to use the shops. Two of the largest pubs in town had to be closed. The local newspaper has footage of racist chanting and repeated violent attempts to break police cordons and presumably run up to confront the much less intrusive muslim gathering. There were many arrests.

The net result is that a lot of people in this town are getting very annoyed with the EDL forcing a race confrontation that has never been an issue in Halifax before.

What exactly is the EDL trying to accomplish? Their stupid mob demos will never go down well with the vast majority of the white population, and only aggravates the SMALL MINORITY muslim population. They will never gain widespread acceptance, so how are they supposed to achieve their goals?

For that matter, what are their goals? I have read much about the EDL and debated with many of their supporters, but I have yet to figure this out. What do they want?

No Shariah Law in the UK? - the UK isn't governed by shariah law and never will be, as islam is a minority religion here.

No Shariah Courts? - could feasibly be banned, but for what purpose? Other religious mediation courts would have to be banned also of course.

No muslims full stop? - if so, they are being very intolerant and dare I say, ridiculous.

Can anyone who supports the EDL enlighten us as to what it is they want, and how they plan to go about trying to get it?

I am their target audience, as I am English and not a Muslim. But all I see is ugly noise, violent drunkenness, and aimless bigotry.

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Can anyone who supports the EDL enlighten us as to what it is they want, and how they plan to go about trying to get it?

equal treatment for all under our existing political system.

IF the police had cracked down on the radical muslims when they were protesting at soldiers homecoming parades calling our troops baby killers etc then there would never have been an EDL.

if what this takes is civil disorder from the EDL then so be it.

yeah the protestors weren't doin anything illegal...then again i'm not doin anything illegal by burning a koran but if i did so the police would talk to me and i would possibly be charged with incitement...well then - what is incitement if it isn't protesting a returning army and calling them baby killers?

muslims don't like koran burners...they threaten people with death and riot because of cartoons.

if that's acceptable then the EDL should also be able to riot about things they dislike.

what's good for the goose.

The net result is that a lot of people in this town are getting very annoyed with the EDL forcing a race confrontation that has never been an issue in Halifax before.

it's not about race...if most of the muslims there are asian or non-white that is incidental to the fact.

as for this never being an issue in Halifax before:

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seems like the locals may be burying their heads in the sand on this.

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equal treatment for all under our existing political system.

IF the police had cracked down on the radical muslims when they were protesting at soldiers homecoming parades calling our troops baby killers etc then there would never have been an EDL.

if what this takes is civil disorder from the EDL then so be it.

yeah the protestors weren't doin anything illegal...then again i'm not doin anything illegal by burning a koran but if i did so the police would talk to me and i would possibly be charged with incitement...well then - what is incitement if it isn't protesting a returning army and calling them baby killers?

muslims don't like koran burners...they threaten people with death and riot because of cartoons.

if that's acceptable then the EDL should also be able to riot about things they dislike.

what's good for the goose.

I still don't get it. "equal treatment for all under our existing political system." is a vague term that could be interpreted as virtually anything.

I'm talking about concrete objectives, 5 step plans and all that. The EDL appear to be doing the same as the people who got them all angry in the first place. What's the point in that? It certainly doesn't impress the majority.

It makes me think the EDL are no better than the poppy burning MAC. And I will continue to think so as nothing convinces me otherwise.

it's not about race...if most of the muslims there are asian or non-white that is incidental to the fact.

as for this never being an issue in Halifax before:

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seems like the locals may be burying their heads in the sand on this.

Of course I can't speak for you, but from following the discussions around the Halifax EDL, I can assure you for them it is most certainly an issue of race, they would not using words such as **** otherwise.

I already know of the 2 people who have been suspected of being extremists. 2 people. If they made up even 1% of the muslim population of my town, I would be worried, but I'm not. My friends, my taxi drivers, my newsagent, they all say these two guys are well known for being idiots. They are not liked by the muslim population here. It's a non-issue.

Muslims will quite happily talk to you about most aspects of their culture and community in a frank and honest way - that is if one is not drunkenly throwing bricks at them and calling them "**** Scum off our streets" as I believe I heard on Saturday.

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I still don't get it. "equal treatment for all under our existing political system." is a vague term that could be interpreted as virtually anything.

not really.

1 example - the MAC member who burnt a poppy got a 70 quid fine.

the white english lad who burnt a koran got 70 days in nick.

how is that equitable treatment?

I'm talking about concrete objectives, 5 step plans and all that.

the EDL are not and never have been a political party. they are a group formed to express discontent with the disrespect shown to british cultural values by islamists.

The EDL appear to be doing the same as the people who got them all angry in the first place. What's the point in that?

EDL supporters may be acting in racist ways...that doesn't mean the EDL is racist.

Bin Laden was (supposedly) an Arsenal fan...is his behaviour then representative of all arsenal fans?

you're gonna love this one - the EDL supporters who are racist are just the radicals...most EDL supporters are peace lovers.

:huh:

Of course I can't speak for you, but from following the discussions around the Halifax EDL, I can assure you for them it is most certainly an issue of race, they would not using words such as **** otherwise.

when the EDL actually espouse racial hatred is the point at which i believe they are racist as an organisation.

are you telling me there are no labour or tory voters who use such language? no? then does they're use of such words make labour or the tories racist?

I already know of the 2 people who have been suspected of being extremists. 2 people. If they made up even 1% of the muslim population of my town, I would be worried, but I'm not. My friends, my taxi drivers, my newsagent, they all say these two guys are well known for being idiots. They are not liked by the muslim population here.

they would say that wouldnt they...

Muslims will quite happily talk to you about most aspects of their culture and community in a frank and honest way - that is if one is not drunkenly throwing bricks at them and calling them "**** Scum off our streets" as I believe I heard on Saturday.

were people throwing bricks about?

and again just because some racist attachs themselves to the EDL does not make them racist...they have an asian spokesman...a hindu, a sikh and a pakistani division.

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EDL supporters may be acting in racist ways...that doesn't mean the EDL is racist.

Bin Laden was (supposedly) an Arsenal fan...is his behaviour then representative of all arsenal fans?

you're gonna love this one - the EDL supporters who are racist are just the radicals...most EDL supporters are peace lovers.

:huh:

Exactly. Every group has it's extremist and, unfortunately, the extrimists of any group get the most attention.

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not really.

1 example - the MAC member who burnt a poppy got a 70 quid fine.

the white english lad who burnt a koran got 70 days in nick.

how is that equitable treatment?

The dude who burnt the Qur'an recently stole it and then burnt it in a town center whilst screaming racist comments. However, in my mind neither of them should of got anything.

Exactly. Every group has it's extremist and, unfortunately, the extrimists of any group get the most attention.

But that doesn't count for the Muslims, they're all trying to impose Sharia law and kill our soldiers, right? :rolleyes:

Still, I'm starting to care less and less about the EDL, they're a minority group that has almost no support so they're just as good as football hooligans, they're wreck a city in the name of peace and yell racist remarks whilst only being against 'Islamists'. Their sympathisers can argue all they want but the majority of the EDL are knuckle-dragging idiots who don't know a thing about Sharia or Islam and the majority of this country think they're absurd and support them less that they would Sharia. At least Sharia doesn't ruin our cities and terrify our people, the EDL does.

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The dude who burnt the Qur'an recently stole it and then burnt it in a town center whilst screaming racist comments. However, in my mind neither of them should of got anything.

But that doesn't count for the Muslims, they're all trying to impose Sharia law and kill our soldiers, right? :rolleyes:

Still, I'm starting to care less and less about the EDL, they're a minority group that has almost no support so they're just as good as football hooligans, they're wreck a city in the name of peace and yell racist remarks whilst only being against 'Islamists'. Their sympathisers can argue all they want but the majority of the EDL are knuckle-dragging idiots who don't know a thing about Sharia or Islam and the majority of this country think they're absurd and support them less that they would Sharia. At least Sharia doesn't ruin our cities and terrify our people, the EDL does.

without the UAF mugs coming out to demonstrate against the EDL there would be no violence. let me say this clearly:

the cause of the violence is far-left / muslim extremists who whip people up into a frenzied state by continually describing the edl as akin to a modern day nazi party. all they want to do is exercise their right to free speech and association but apparently lots of working class white people doin so is anathema to the UAF and other so-called 'socialists' who don't seem to be able to cope with white people talking about anything remotely to do with religion / culture without branding them racists.

again - if the UAF - unite against FASCISTS - if they had protested against the fascist acolytes of islamism then there would be no EDL. but it seems that it's only white people who catch their ire. even when non-whites are involved thruout the EDL they don't seem able to get their heads round it and call the EDL racist and fascist.

over 80% of those arrested on these demonstrations are anti-EDL.

the EDL itself has been involved in very little trouble.

the majority of the EDL are not knuckle dragging idiots...the actual EDL as opposed to those who attend their marches are erudite, educated and more than capable of explaining the issues.

The dude who burnt the Qur'an recently stole it and then burnt it in a town center whilst screaming racist comments

what were the racist comments being screamed?

At least Sharia doesn't ruin our cities and terrify our people,

are you kidding! the existence of the EDL is testament to the inaccuracy of your words.

they're just as good as football hooligans

football lads were at the beginning of the EDL because they can see better than anyone the double standards involved here.

a football supporter who wears a hood with a scarf round his face is likely to be stopped and searched...why are those pseudo-terrorists that profess to be muslims not have the same treatment?

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without the UAF mugs coming out to demonstrate against the EDL there would be no violence. let me say this clearly:

the cause of the violence is far-left / muslim extremists who whip people up into a frenzied state by continually describing the edl as akin to a modern day nazi party. all they want to do is exercise their right to free speech and association but apparently lots of working class white people doin so is anathema to the UAF and other so-called 'socialists' who don't seem to be able to cope with white people talking about anything remotely to do with religion / culture without branding them racists.

again - if the UAF - unite against FASCISTS - if they had protested against the fascist acolytes of islamism then there would be no EDL. but it seems that it's only white people who catch their ire. even when non-whites are involved thruout the EDL they don't seem able to get their heads round it and call the EDL racist and fascist.

Please don't make me repost all those videos of EDL violence, it's quite dull to have to search posts to find a few links to what everyone knows to be true.

over 80% of those arrested on these demonstrations are anti-EDL.

I hope you realise I'll require proof for this, right?

the EDL itself has been involved in very little trouble.

Aside from everywhere they go?

the majority of the EDL are not knuckle dragging idiots...the actual EDL as opposed to those who attend their marches are erudite, educated and more than capable of explaining the issues.

These people I take no issue with, they have their views and harm nobody because of it. However just like you wont discount terrorists from Islam you cannot discount the domestic terrorist racists of the EDL, doing so would undermine the whole point of the EDL.

what were the racist comments being screamed?

I cannot find the comments he made and I apologise for that so we'll discount it for now. However my view is that he's being jailed for theft and 70 days is quite light for stealing and inciting racial violence

are you kidding! the existence of the EDL is testament to the inaccuracy of your words.p.

What an illogical statement. That basically means if I start a group EDDL and said it was the defence of English citizens from the EDL then would that prove all your statements inaccurate? No.

football lads were at the beginning of the EDL because they can see better than anyone the double standards involved here.

a football supporter who wears a hood with a scarf round his face is likely to be stopped and searched...why are those pseudo-terrorists that profess to be muslims not have the same treatment?

Because footballers are known hooligans, Muslim women are not.

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Please don't make me repost all those videos of EDL violence, it's quite dull to have to search posts to find a few links to what everyone knows to be true.

post i couple and let's analyse what we're watching.

I hope you realise I'll require proof for this, right?

tghe figures are in the public domain...usually quietly towards the end of media articles...

Aside from everywhere they go?

an idiot fringe has attached itself...sad....they aint what it's sposed to be about.

These people I take no issue with, they have their views and harm nobody because of it. However just like you wont discount terrorists from Islam you cannot discount the domestic terrorist racists of the EDL, doing so would undermine the whole point of the EDL.

c'mon man that's a ridiculous statement...

what's your opinion of the uaf then? their constant bleating about fascism / racism in the edl from the onset has a certain self-fulfilling quality to it...

I cannot find the comments he made and I apologise for that so we'll discount it for now. However my view is that he's being jailed for theft and 70 days is quite light for stealing and inciting racial violence

you think a custodial sentence that will ruin someones life forever for stealin a book and burning it to make a reactionary political point is lenient?!?!

Because footballers are known hooligans, Muslim women are not.

i'm assuming you mean football supporters...i think...lol...but i wsan't referrin to burkhas...but to these guys...admitedly they dont look like trouble do they:

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viral - the correct response to such idiots is ridicule,....and in the early years post 9/11 i downplayed any threat from such a minority of muslims and had faith that basic humour would defeat such depressing idealologies...

the problem...the game changer for me.... is the whole 'offensive' concept...certain righteous anti-racist concepts of political correctness have been and are being co-opted into being used as tools to defend the indefensible...like death threats to cartoonists and the murder of film makers...we can't ridicule islam as we can any other religion you'd care to mention...muslims get offended....that's not the problem....the problem is the liberal middle class who then legislate against it.

if i wanted to make the point that the bible the quran and the torah are simply pieces of paper with writing on and that nothing was gonna happen to me if i did so...which religions follower would most likely make death threats?

any answer is irrelevant ...the point is that muslim offence would be looked upon, and taken more seriously, than any christian or jewish offence.

that is a dangerous road. we spent 100's of years fighting to free ourselves of religious oppression in europe...to think any of them are deserving of special treatment is retrograde...regardless of which religion you're talking about.

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post i couple and let's analyse what we're watching.

tghe figures are in the public domain...usually quietly towards the end of media articles...

what's your opinion of the uaf then? their constant bleating about fascism / racism in the edl from the onset has a certain self-fulfilling quality to it...

you think a custodial sentence that will ruin someones life forever for stealin a book and burning it to make a reactionary political point is lenient?!?!

i'm assuming you mean football supporters...i think...lol...but i wsan't referrin to burkhas...but to these guys...admitedly they dont look like trouble do they

Public domain? Care to point me towards some.

The UAF? Same as the EDL, several well meaning intellectuals or pseudo-intellectuals among them ruined by the majority of *******s that plague their organisations. For this reason I dislike both however I feel more unified with UAF's intellectual message than that of the EDL by a long way, though I do agree religious courts should not exist.

As for whether Mr. Ryan deserved it, read this:

"Judge Chalk said: "You are a man who has a history of violence and disorderly conduct."

Ryan pleaded guilty to religiously aggravated harassment and theft at an earlier hearing."

Source: here

Apologies for understanding your point about Burkhas.

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There's a few more but just two for now

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The UAF? Same as the EDL, several well meaning intellectuals or pseudo-intellectuals among them ruined by the majority of *******s that plague their organisations. For this reason I dislike both however I feel more unified with UAF's intellectual message than that of the EDL by a long way, though I do agree religious courts should not exist.

the uaf is a front for the swp...do you agree with them?

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not anywhere near the same level as the student protests. or that farmers riot.

some protestors walked past a cafe...someone threw something and cracked a window...and some protestors ran into the cafe shouting.

where's the fire extinguisher off the roof moment?

wheres the signs mocking the holocaust?

the signs in praise of terrorists?

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