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errmmmm...the point i was tryin to make which started the comments about the student riots off was that a minority of marchers on EDL demo's arent representative of the majority.

regardless i applaud any group that opposes fascism...and in this case those fighting oppression are the EDL in their fight against extreme islamist political thought.

No, they are just anti-anyone who is a Muslim irrelevant of their ideology. They barely even know what they are marching against.

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No, they are just anti-anyone who is a Muslim irrelevant of their ideology. They barely even know what they are marching against.

I think you'll find they're marching against this :-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8126357/Muslims-clash-with-police-after-burning-poppy-in-anti-Armistice-Day-protest.html

and this :-

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23762591-islamist-group-march-for-full-sharia-law-in-britain.do

and this :-

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/national-inquiry-launched-into-muslim-sex-grooming-gangs-who-target-teenage-girls/question-1436595/

and this :-

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and this :-

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and this :-

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and this :-

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and this :-

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and this :-

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and possibly this :-

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Or no doubt the Daily Mail is behind all of the above.

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No, they are real idiots, like all zealots. But the EDL doesn't distinguish between them and other Muslims.

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I think that these racist idiots are just as bad as the various racist muslim idiots like Abu Hamza.

Quite frankly they all sicken me.

Can't stand any type or form of racists

whether there black,white or any other colour.

Racism needs to be eliminated from civilised society

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Do you have any evidence to back up this claim?

if you do? shouldn't the question be why are the working class youth so poorly educated? how come we've let them down so badly, could the problem be the hand wringing left aren't interested in their fears and concerns? a report out today says working class white boys have the least amount of tax payers money spent on them and therefore have fallen behind every other group.

Here you go:

EDL Genius

No, they are just anti-anyone who is a Muslim irrelevant of their ideology. They barely even know what they are marching against.

As you said ^^^

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Here you go what?

You wanted evidence that they are mostly illiterate, inarticualte thugs. Also, as Mattshark pointed out, they don't even know why they're marching.

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You take this as evidence? i imagine you take this as evidence all Muslims are like this then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4R-le_hCsc

No because the one I gave was a news reporter intervieing a randomly selected individual hence showing what a typical EDL protester is like.

Sorry if you want to see them as being great people saving our country. They are racist, ignorant thugs. That's all there is to it.

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No because the one I gave was a news reporter intervieing a randomly selected individual hence showing what a typical EDL protester is like.

were you born this naive or have you studied it?

do you understand how the press twists the news to suit it's own agenda? how the press loves nothing more than a dyed in the wool nazi?

Sorry if you want to see them as being great people saving our country. They are racist, ignorant thugs. That's all there is to it.

complete moron.

you take that clearly set-up interview with a clearly inebriated retard as evidence of the EDL being racist ignorant thugs!!

you know nothing about the EDL if you think that is in any way representative.

but it matters not...the EDL are not going anywhere....they're simply getting bigger every time they demonstrate....

you stand with the islamists...with the fascists who would execute gays and believe that women should cover their faces...stand with the anti-semitic fanatics who would murder every jew in israel....with the nihilists who would blow up your innocent fellow countrymen on the underground...who would fly airliners into buildings....you stand with those who believe the holocaust to be a myth and the 9/11 attacks to have been carried out by jews or the us government.

because however dumb that fella on the video may be the bottom line is he is on the righteous side of the debate and you are on the wrong one.

these are the people the EDL are against...this is from a march they had last week to protest the death of Osama Bin Laden:

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here's one that will confuse your racist little mindset - look! brown people who wanted bin laden dead!!! they must be ignorant racists just like the EDL eh...

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were you born this naive or have you studied it?

do you understand how the press twists the news to suit it's own agenda? how the press loves nothing more than a dyed in the wool nazi?

It was a BBC report. You should be aware that they are obliged to report in an unbiased fashion.

complete moron.

Again with the amazing manners...

you take that clearly set-up interview with a clearly inebriated retard as evidence of the EDL being racist ignorant thugs!!

you know nothing about the EDL if you think that is in any way representative.

but it matters not...the EDL are not going anywhere....they're simply getting bigger every time they demonstrate....

Yipee. The counrty's getting more racist.

I was also basing the judgement that they are moronic thugs on the fact that, when they couldn't get to the other demonstration, they fought each other instead. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

you stand with the islamists...with the fascists who would execute gays and believe that women should cover their faces...stand with the anti-semitic fanatics who would murder every jew in israel....with the nihilists who would blow up your innocent fellow countrymen on the underground...who would fly airliners into buildings....you stand with those who believe the holocaust to be a myth and the 9/11 attacks to have been carried out by jews or the us government.

because however dumb that fella on the video may be the bottom line is he is on the righteous side of the debate and you are on the wrong one.

Ah the typical approach of one who hasn't a clue. Just because I'm not with you, doesn't mean I'm with those you're against. I can disagree with both of you.

these are the people the EDL are against...this is from a march they had last week to protest the death of Osama Bin Laden:

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2 things:

1. Didn't you just say not to rely on the media?

2. I'm sure earlier on in this thread it's been said they were against the implementation of Shariah law in the UK (which isn't happening but nevermind). Now they're against people protesting bin Laden's death. Seems Mattshark was right - they really don't know what they're against.

here's one that will confuse your racist little mindset - look! brown people who wanted bin laden dead!!! they must be ignorant racists just like the EDL eh...

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Well duh. He killed hundreds of people from every culture. Of course they wanted him dead. The difference is, they show their appreciation for what those Navy seals did, the EDL just go looking for an excuse to fight.

And please, don't call me a racist. Do the words pot, kettle and black mean anything to you?

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It was a BBC report. You should be aware that they are obliged to report in an unbiased fashion.

i think you'll find that the BBC have themselves admitted to bias on numerous occasions.

Again with the amazing manners...
They are racist, ignorant thugs

are you referring to the EDL spokesperson (and graduate) Gurjamit Singh? that's not very polite is it.

Yipee. The counrty's getting more racist.

indeed....and the root cause of this increase in rascism is islamic fascism.

I was also basing the judgement that they are moronic thugs on the fact that, when they couldn't get to the other demonstration, they fought each other instead. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

that proves how much you don't know about the EDL. the fights were between a rival faction who ARE the racist idiots you so want the EDL to be who were trying to hijack the movement...elements who also belong to C18 and the BNP amongst other seedy little racist groups.

Ah the typical approach of one who hasn't a clue. Just because I'm not with you, doesn't mean I'm with those you're against. I can disagree with both of you.

try to talk about the issues the EDL stand for and i'll enter polite debate with you. if all you want to do is paint a picture of the EDL as nazis then i question your motives...it appears that you're doing your best to avoid the issues that have prompted the EDL to take to the streets in the first place.

2 things:

1. Didn't you just say not to rely on the media?

2. I'm sure earlier on in this thread it's been said they were against the implementation of Shariah law in the UK (which isn't happening but nevermind). Now they're against people protesting bin Laden's death. Seems Mattshark was right - they really don't know what they're against.

they are against all forms of Islamist thought and expansionism.

you should learn a little about it....you may be shocked.

Well duh. He killed hundreds of people from every culture. Of course they wanted him dead. The difference is, they show their appreciation for what those Navy seals did, the EDL just go looking for an excuse to fight.

did he!?!?! on the other thread you're saying that he didnt carry out the 9/11 attacks!?!?

make your mind up eh...the EDL want to take these fascists on on the streets...just as the east london jews and unions did with moseleys blackshirts at Cable Street.

would you say that those who attacked the blackshirts at cable street were wrong?

And please, don't call me a racist. Do the words pot, kettle and black mean anything to you?

then quit thinking that skin colour means anything then....human rights are human rights regardless of skin colour or culture...you assume that the EDL is made up of white working class brits...the reality is much different with many black lads, sikhs and jewish lads also involved...but your mind can't possibly comprehend that and defaults to a 'white working class = racist' setting.

your racism is amply demonstrated in the way you think that anyone who opposes islamist thought and demonstrates against it must be a racist.

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i think you'll find that the BBC have themselves admitted to bias on numerous occasions.

And in this case, oh look, no-one has accused them of biased reporting because, if they did, it wouldn't stand up for two seconds.

are you referring to the EDL spokesperson (and graduate) Gurjamit Singh? that's not very polite is it.

I'm referring to the general make up of the EDL. It's facts. There isn't a more polite way of putting it.

indeed....and the root cause of this increase in rascism is islamic fascism.

that proves how much you don't know about the EDL. the fights were between a rival faction who ARE the racist idiots you so want the EDL to be who were trying to hijack the movement...elements who also belong to C18 and the BNP amongst other seedy little racist groups.

So the EDL are against fascism? So why were they trying to get to a rival protest by Unite against Fascism? Curious.

The clashes broke out between the main EDL and a splinter group. The question still remains, why did these 'innocent' demonstrators decide to fight the others?

try to talk about the issues the EDL stand for and i'll enter polite debate with you. if all you want to do is paint a picture of the EDL as nazis then i question your motives...it appears that you're doing your best to avoid the issues that have prompted the EDL to take to the streets in the first place.

What issues would these be?

Let's have a look at some of their banners: Link

'One counrty, one people, one cause'

one counrty - yes

one people - no, we're made up of many peoples from many cultures and it's one of our greatest strengths.

one cause - no, the EDL need to get it through their heads that the majority of people are against what they are doing.

'No more mosques in the UK'

So people living here shouldn't be free to practise their religion? In what way is this not discrimination?

they are against all forms of Islamist thought and expansionism.

That's nice. Tell them to go somewhere it's actually an issue and they might do some good.

you should learn a little about it....you may be shocked.

Oh I'm shocked all right.

I'm shocked that people in this country can do this

and this

and this

I could go on.

did he!?!?! on the other thread you're saying that he didnt carry out the 9/11 attacks!?!?

make your mind up eh...

Two things:

Firstly, I haven't claimed he didn't carry out the 9/11 attacks. I put forward an alternative viewpoint that, so far, you haven't refuted. You would know this if you actually took the time to read posts before answering them.

Secondly, even if he didn't carry out those attacks, he has planned and executed many others.

the EDL want to take these fascists on on the streets...just as the east london jews and unions did with moseleys blackshirts at Cable Street.

would you say that those who attacked the blackshirts at cable street were wrong?

Do I think those people throwing rocks at police officers were wrong? Damn right I do. People have the right to demonstrate as they please, it's when they resort to violence that there is an issue.

then quit thinking that skin colour means anything then....human rights are human rights regardless of skin colour or culture...you assume that the EDL is made up of white working class brits...the reality is much different with many black lads, sikhs and jewish lads also involved...but your mind can't possibly comprehend that and defaults to a 'white working class = racist' setting.

your racism is amply demonstrated in the way you think that anyone who opposes islamist thought and demonstrates against it must be a racist.

Skin colour means nothing to them? Then explain the attack I referrenced above. The man attacked was a Christian. He even had a crucifix next to the door.

You talk of human rights. What about the right to worship? What was it again... 'No more mosques in the UK'?

I've made no mention of white or working class. They're your words not mine.

Just because someone is black, sikh or jewish, doesn't mean they can't be racist too. Just because someone doesn't discriminate against one religion, it doesn't mean they treat all with the same respect.

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And in this case, oh look, no-one has accused them of biased reporting because, if they did, it wouldn't stand up for two seconds.

DOH!! I just did accuse them of such...as have the EDL.

I'm referring to the general make up of the EDL. It's facts. There isn't a more polite way of putting it.

there is no such thing as a 'general make up of the EDL' as there is no such thing as membership. the actual lads who arrange the demos include the aforementioned sikh, a fella married to a black girl who has mixed race kids...and the person responsible for the youth element is actually black himself.

hows that for general make up?

So the EDL are against fascism? So why were they trying to get to a rival protest by Unite against Fascism? Curious.

LOL!!

the UAF are about as opposed to fascism as benito mussolini...this is a group that is nothing but a front for the communists and anarchists of the Socialist Workers Party...as fascistic a group as you're ever likely to encounter.

are you really that dim that you think that because the EDL kicked off with a group who have the phrase ..'against fascism' in it's moniker that that proves the EDL are fascists!?!?

UAF - IF they were what they claim to be - should be marching against the islamist fascists in any case! if they did so there would be no need for the EDL....yet they don't and they won't...for reasons that are pretty self-evident but briefly concern the aims of the Islamists and the aims of the SWP...ie the fall of western cultural and economic hegemony....

if you don't believe me then go to a UAF forum and try to discuss islamic fascism...try and discuss islamist homophobia...try and discuss sharia law....you'll get banned in minutes....believe me i've tried.

The clashes broke out between the main EDL and a splinter group. The question still remains, why did these 'innocent' demonstrators decide to fight the others?

black and asian lads within the crowd were being racially abused by this other non-edl faction - note NOT a splinter group.

What issues would these be?

islamist fascism in a nutshell.

Let's have a look at some of their banners: Link

lol....you spectacularly missed the point here haven't you!

'One counrty, one people, one cause'

one counrty - yes

one people - no, we're made up of many peoples from many cultures and it's one of our greatest strengths.

one cause - no, the EDL need to get it through their heads that the majority of people are against what they are doing.

one people = all british people united....regardless of colour or religion.

one cause = the fight against fascism regardless of it's root.

'No more mosques in the UK'

So people living here shouldn't be free to practise their religion? In what way is this not discrimination?

i don't necessarily agree that there should be NO mosques...but i think the foreign funding of them from salafist saudis needs to stop rihgt away....mosrt muslims aren't radicalised...yet this particular strain has brought us the likes of bin laden et al.

That's nice. Tell them to go somewhere it's actually an issue and they might do some good.

like tower hamlets?

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Oh I'm shocked all right.

I'm shocked that people in this country can do this

and this

and this

I could go on.

you post reports from the UAF and the SWP and you think that's an unbiased source!!

i'd rather the islamists were in charge than that rabble of communist scum.

Firstly, I haven't claimed he didn't carry out the 9/11 attacks. I put forward an alternative viewpoint that, so far, you haven't refuted. You would know this if you actually took the time to read posts before answering them.

weird cos that's how other people have also read your posts.

Do I think those people throwing rocks at police officers were wrong? Damn right I do. People have the right to demonstrate as they please, it's when they resort to violence that there is an issue.

most arrests at EDL demos are of UAF members and their supporters...i'm glad you condemn their actions.

Skin colour means nothing to them? Then explain the attack I referrenced above. The man attacked was a Christian. He even had a crucifix next to the door.

post a report of the same attack from an unbiased source which also reports on who the attackers were and which court convicted them.

the UAF have been caught trying to infiltrate EDL demos in the past...one that sticks in my memory was a proper 1970's style skinhead goose stepping around throwing nazi salutes around.

he got the kicking he deserved for that.

You talk of human rights. What about the right to worship? What was it again... 'No more mosques in the UK'?

like i say i don't necessarily agree with that.

I've made no mention of white or working class. They're your words not mine.

your reaction is clear to everyone readin the thread.

Just because someone is black, sikh or jewish, doesn't mean they can't be racist too. Just because someone doesn't discriminate against one religion, it doesn't mean they treat all with the same respect.

no it doesn't but i think the presence of such people at demonstrations you claim are full of ignorant racist thugs kinda disproves your whole argument concerning the EDL don't you.

the charge of islamophobia can be levelled. but that is not the same thing as racism. i find the whole islamist attempt at the appropriation of the black and asian struggle for acceptance against racism in this country sickening...black or brown skin means naught when judging the character of a man or woman...religious affiliation on the other hand does.

why do people have such a problem getting their heads round that?

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DOH!! I just did accuse them of such...as have the EDL.

I mean formally accused them of it. If this accusation has been made, it obviously didn't satnd up in court.

there is no such thing as a 'general make up of the EDL' as there is no such thing as membership. the actual lads who arrange the demos include the aforementioned sikh, a fella married to a black girl who has mixed race kids...and the person responsible for the youth element is actually black himself.

hows that for general make up?

Two people. And carefully chosen ones at that. Not exactly representative is it?

LOL!!

the UAF are about as opposed to fascism as benito mussolini...this is a group that is nothing but a front for the communists and anarchists of the Socialist Workers Party...as fascistic a group as you're ever likely to encounter.

are you really that dim that you think that because the EDL kicked off with a group who have the phrase ..'against fascism' in it's moniker that that proves the EDL are fascists!?!?

UAF - IF they were what they claim to be - should be marching against the islamist fascists in any case! if they did so there would be no need for the EDL....yet they don't and they won't...for reasons that are pretty self-evident but briefly concern the aims of the Islamists and the aims of the SWP...ie the fall of western cultural and economic hegemony....

if you don't believe me then go to a UAF forum and try to discuss islamic fascism...try and discuss islamist homophobia...try and discuss sharia law....you'll get banned in minutes....believe me i've tried.

Yeah...right... Ok you've picked a side and don't want to hear anything against it. The fact that UAF demonstrate against parties like the BNP must be insignificant if they also protest against your precious EDL.

black and asian lads within the crowd were being racially abused by this other non-edl faction - note NOT a splinter group.

Try reading the sources I link:

EDL spokesman Tony Curtis claimed clashes had broken out between the main body of marchers and a more extreme splinter group.

islamist fascism in a nutshell.

Let's have a look at some of their banners: Link

lol....you spectacularly missed the point here haven't you!

one people = all british people united....regardless of colour or religion.

one cause = the fight against fascism regardless of it's root.

But we plainly aren't united otherwise why are so many people against the EDL.

That might be the cause the EDL is based on but it's not what most of the members are aiming for.

i don't necessarily agree that there should be NO mosques...but i think the foreign funding of them from salafist saudis needs to stop rihgt away....mosrt muslims aren't radicalised...yet this particular strain has brought us the likes of bin laden et al.

So there isn't a consensus as to what they are opposed to. There were quite a number with these 'no more mosques cards' If this isn't the general stance of the EDL then, as said before, they don't even know what they're protesting about.

Protest about it by all means. That doesn't mean they should go attacking random Muslims or people they think 'look like Muslims'.

you post reports from the UAF and the SWP and you think that's an unbiased source!!

i'd rather the islamists were in charge than that rabble of communist scum.

The temptation to tell you to do your own research is overwhelming... You seem to be big on that after all.

They were just the ones that happened to come up first. If you tried reading them, you could have followed them back to the original source. Since this seems beyond you, I have done it for you.

Attack in stoke

weird cos that's how other people have also read your posts.

Yes, it would be nice if others took the time to actually read a thread before posting in it too.

most arrests at EDL demos are of UAF members and their supporters...i'm glad you condemn their actions.

I condemn the actions of anyone who is brainless enough to think that respecting someone's religious freedom is the same as taking over the country.

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like i say i don't necessarily agree with that.

Good.

your reaction is clear to everyone readin the thread.

And yet you are the only one to comment on it. You should definitely go into showbiz with psychic powers that good.

no it doesn't but i think the presence of such people at demonstrations you claim are full of ignorant racist thugs kinda disproves your whole argument concerning the EDL don't you.

Er...no in a word.

the charge of islamophobia can be levelled. but that is not the same thing as racism. i find the whole islamist attempt at the appropriation of the black and asian struggle for acceptance against racism in this country sickening...black or brown skin means naught when judging the character of a man or woman...religious affiliation on the other hand does.

So you approve of judging people based on their religion? Pretty sure we have laws about that.

why do people have such a problem getting their heads round that?

Because, as I have said before, the UK is not being taken over by Islamists. Most of the EDL just want to think it is so they have an excuse for their racist attacks.

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ok...that's a little difficult to respond to...i'll try tho:

I mean formally accused them of it. If this accusation has been made, it obviously didn't satnd up in court.

moves are afoot to legally respond to all the biased media coverage of the EDL...the ridiculous 'far-right' handle that is attached in 90% of coverage etc etc etc.

Two people. And carefully chosen ones at that. Not exactly representative is it?

that's actually 3 people. lol.

did you see the BBC (Newsnight i believe) piece on the EDL? they were trying to set one of the lads up as being a racist...then his mixed race daughter came round the corner to pick him up.

The fact that UAF demonstrate against parties like the BNP must be insignificant if they also protest against your precious EDL.

oh stop it...they aren't precious to me...i couldnt give a toss truth be told but i can't bear to watch a bourgeois circle jerk disappearing up it's own ass by talking about the EDL making huge factual errors.

as for the BNP - the UAF are justified in picketing their events..the BNP are scum.

but that doesn't mean that the UAF are any better. nazism and communism were always just 2 sides of the same coin...both wish to prevent freedom of speech.

So there isn't a consensus as to what they are opposed to. There were quite a number with these 'no more mosques cards' If this isn't the general stance of the EDL then, as said before, they don't even know what they're protesting about.

no that was my own personal non-edl point of view.

is this getting a little complicated for you?

So you approve of judging people based on their religion? Pretty sure we have laws about that.

forget that - so you admit that this is not the same thing as racism then? ergo the EDL are not racists?

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From what I have seen and heard of the EDL, they are a pest and are just as bad as the radicals they are trying to oppose.

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From what I have seen and heard of the EDL, they are a pest and are just as bad as the radicals they are trying to oppose.

and what have you seen and heard of them?

it's nice to see someone admit that they are trying to oppose radicals who are themselves a pest tho...

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I like their idea and dont get me wrong I am SURE there are those who are genuine and not spoiling for a fight, but from some of their supposed rallies I have seen that many were spoiling for fight and it was more of a angry mob of thugs, than a collective voice against radicals.

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I like their idea and dont get me wrong I am SURE there are those who are genuine and not spoiling for a fight, but from some of their supposed rallies I have seen that many were spoiling for fight and it was more of a angry mob of thugs, than a collective voice against radicals.

hmmmm....i pretty much agree with most of their official press releases...yet i too have reservations about the sort of person attracted to the rallies.

tho the press and the UAF both play their part in this with their portrayal of the EDL as racist thugs.

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hmmmm....i pretty much agree with most of their official press releases...yet i too have reservations about the sort of person attracted to the rallies.

tho the press and the UAF both play their part in this with their portrayal of the EDL as racist thugs.

I do not think they are all racists, I think many like to throw racist out at anyone who does not agree with another culture, or mostly the radicals of that culture. But EDL does attract the wrong sort of people and the problem to me seems that they are more interested in trying to get their point across and collecting numbers of people to help and do not really focus on any effort of trying to weed out the thugs.

It's the thugs and hooligans and radicals in any group that bring shame and a bad view on any group, and it does not speak well of those who sit idly by who just ignore such people within their numbers.

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ok...that's a little difficult to respond to...i'll try tho:

Yeah the quotes went weird. Too many in one post.

moves are afoot to legally respond to all the biased media coverage of the EDL...the ridiculous 'far-right' handle that is attached in 90% of coverage etc etc etc.

I'll be interested to see how that turns out then.

that's actually 3 people. lol.

did you see the BBC (Newsnight i believe) piece on the EDL? they were trying to set one of the lads up as being a racist...then his mixed race daughter came round the corner to pick him up.

Sorry. The grammar made it sound like the sikh and the guy with mixed race kids were one and the same.

oh stop it...they aren't precious to me...i couldnt give a toss truth be told but i can't bear to watch a bourgeois circle jerk disappearing up it's own ass by talking about the EDL making huge factual errors.

as for the BNP - the UAF are justified in picketing their events..the BNP are scum.

but that doesn't mean that the UAF are any better. nazism and communism were always just 2 sides of the same coin...both wish to prevent freedom of speech.

At least we're agreed racists like the BNP are wrong. Now I'd suggest you check the EDL facebook page. You'll find very similar sentiments there.

no that was my own personal non-edl point of view.

is this getting a little complicated for you?

No but you seem to be struggling to keep up. Some of the EDL members had signs saying 'No more mosques in the UK'. I said this looks like they are trying to stop people worshipping as they please in contravention of their human rights. You responded to this by saying that you don't agree with it. What you think is irrelevant to the question. So, I ask again:

Are they trying to stop people worshipping freely?

forget that - so you admit that this is not the same thing as racism then? ergo the EDL are not racists?

I'm prepared to admit that the EDL as an organisation is not racist merely misguided. A large number of it's supporters however, plainly are.

I think my favourite quote has to be 'Go back where you came from, I'm English through and through since the start of time' from someone with a surname of French origin... :rolleyes:

Also, if we're all to go back where we came from, Africa is going to get really crowded.

I do not think they are all racists, I think many like to throw racist out at anyone who does not agree with another culture, or mostly the radicals of that culture. But EDL does attract the wrong sort of people and the problem to me seems that they are more interested in trying to get their point across and collecting numbers of people to help and do not really focus on any effort of trying to weed out the thugs.

It's the thugs and hooligans and radicals in any group that bring shame and a bad view on any group, and it does not speak well of those who sit idly by who just ignore such people within their numbers.

Nicely put.

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At least we're agreed racists like the BNP are wrong. Now I'd suggest you check the EDL facebook page. You'll find very similar sentiments there.

i've criminal record for fighting the BNP...i'm not about to boast of my anti-fascist credentials but i was an anti-fascist before i was anything else...and i come from a family who have fought against such retards for 80 odd years.

No but you seem to be struggling to keep up. Some of the EDL members had signs saying 'No more mosques in the UK'. I said this looks like they are trying to stop people worshipping as they please in contravention of their human rights. You responded to this by saying that you don't agree with it. What you think is irrelevant to the question. So, I ask again:

Are they trying to stop people worshipping freely?

no. they don't want more mosques being built. you don't have to have a mosque to worship your god.

I'm prepared to admit that the EDL as an organisation is not racist merely misguided. A large number of it's supporters however, plainly are.

thank you.

I think my favourite quote has to be 'Go back where you came from, I'm English through and through since the start of time' from someone with a surname of French origin... :rolleyes:

quote from where?

Also, if we're all to go back where we came from, Africa is going to get really crowded.

having worked and lived in africa for a few years i would gladly go back and spend my days there...

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i've criminal record for fighting the BNP...i'm not about to boast of my anti-fascist credentials but i was an anti-fascist before i was anything else...and i come from a family who have fought against such retards for 80 odd years.

I'm not sure fighting with them is the way forward and obviously I'm not going to support that. Far better to show them why they are wrong so that they come to realise we are all equal. Of course if they can't get that through their heads...

Also, I'll see your 80 and raise you 300 :P

no. they don't want more mosques being built. you don't have to have a mosque to worship your god.

You don't need any building to worship a god. And yet they seem to have nothing against churches being built. That's just discrimination for the sake of it.

quote from where?

Their facebook page.

having worked and lived in africa for a few years i would gladly go back and spend my days there...

Um...ok...

My point is that it makes no sense to tell people to come back where they came from. No human evolved in England.

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Funny how we can constantly throw around the term 'fascist' when talking about the EDL, whilst politely overlooking the fascist mentality that is at the core of Islam & sharia. (i.e. islams attitude towards women, gays, jews & indeed anybody who don't share their religious beliefs)

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