Osama Bin Laden Dead

[Q24]

Source or you dont prove anything.

Me?

Google is my source

No really, the information is readily available if you care to search it.

Just a snippet of further backing that bin Laden was under house-arrest: -

They were his eyes and ears and his link to the outside world. It was through the “Khans” that bin Laden accepted, digested and interpreted the world beyond the confines of the compound.

The world’s most feared terrorist was entirely in their hands and at their mercy. The last years of his life must have been maddeningly claustrophobic. The Khans may have been his protectors, but they were also his prison guards.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/8490859/Osama-bin-Laden-dead-the-mysterious-Khan-family-who-were-good-neighbours.html

The suggestion is that bin Laden had limited contact with the outside world and that the Khans were effectively prison guards.

Again, the former director of the ISI and the head of one of Pakistan's political parties, with bin Laden's own approval agreed to place him under house-arrest immediately following 9/11.

[Lord Umbarger]

It IS great news! One more evil that our kids won't have to worry about!

That said and all, the military took pictures of the body that they aren't going to release and dumped the body in the ocean... what's to stop someone from saying that we never got him in the first place? I mean, anyone could pop up and say that we just took some homeless guy, glued beard to him, shot him and tossed him overboard. We might should haev brought the body back to the US and buried it here somewhere. Of course, anywhere that we'd have buried him woudl become a Mecca for Islamic radicals and that wouldn't be the sort of thing people would want parading through downtown anywhere USA.

Before anyone gets the wrong idea here, I DO believe that we got him. Some of his own high ranking followers have already come out and said that he was martyred and all so, that's pretty cut and dry as far as I'm concerned. Still, there are people who deny the holocaust so, I'm sure there'll be people who deny this too.

[The Silver Thong]

Still, there are people who deny the holocaust so, I'm sure there'll be people who deny this too.

What a pathetic example. How dare you use the death of one man vs the death of over six million let alone those that died trying to stop it. Your Jewish and should be ashamed for belittling the holocaust to this extent. Comparing those with questions as to Bin Laden vs Holocaust deniers is truly a sad thing to say. As I said you should be ashamed in posting what you did. Soon you will be telling people to never question there government and guess where that lead yup you guess it, the holocaust. Epic fail.

[Lord Umbarger]

Sorry, I wasn't attempting to belittle anything... just point out that no matter what happens, sooner or later there WILL be people with doubts. What I was kind of getting at is that maybe we should have just put the body on ice somewhere so we could trot it out when need be to prove that he's really dead.

That said, another idea just came to me... with all the recent revolutions going on in the middle east and Libia and Syria using troops against their own citizens, if the US and Pakistanis DID know where he was, maybe they chose this time to off him as a way to say: "We won, now we can pull out and redeploy to one of these other places where things are likely to go bad for western interests". Not saying that's what's actually going on but, it would sort of fit in a way.

Any how, just a thought... and I have to admit, I really haven't done the leg work on it yet.

[The Silver Thong]

Sorry, I wasn't attempting to belittle anything... just point out that no matter what happens, sooner or later there WILL be people with doubts. What I was kind of getting at is that maybe we should have just put the body on ice somewhere so we could trot it out when need be to prove that he's really dead.

That said, another idea just came to me... with all the recent revolutions going on in the middle east and Libia and Syria using troops against their own citizens, if the US and Pakistanis DID know where he was, maybe they chose this time to off him as a way to say: "We won, now we can pull out and redeploy to one of these other places where things are likely to go bad for western interests". Not saying that's what's actually going on but, it would sort of fit in a way.

Any how, just a thought... and I have to admit, I really haven't done the leg work on it yet.

OK I hear ya a bit better. The last 10 years has been a complete cluster %#@* and there has been so many lies and back peddling as to why how and who this is the time to question, doing any less is doing nothing at all. Bush was caught lying red handed more than once as to what Iraq's involvement was in 9/11 and to the reasons behind the war and those that either lied to him or for him.

I criticized that administration and I will this one as well. It is your civic duty to do the same. If there is question ask it. There is no such thing as a stupid question just a stupid answer. It's the lame duck answers I question.

There hasn't been a chance for anyone to do the leg work on this yet but as in an earlier post I mentioned it could take time as it did to expose the Bush lies. Q24 posts a lot of very informative stuff that seems to get brushed under the rug. Putting some of it together actually should raise a few eyebrows. He does use good sources that most here would use as a counter.

Edited May 5, 2011 by The Silver Thong

[+susieice]

Who took this DNA sample from him? That's what I've asked several times now. The point I'm trying to make is that for there to be no doubt, it would have to be someone independent, and not the same persons as bumped him off. Surely you can see that from a legal point of view, that's reasonable. And that's why this 24 hour rule seems so convenient as an excuse for doing everything with such haste.

As I stated before. One sample was tested in Afghanistan and the results transmitted to Washington. Another sample is physically on the way to Washington for further testing and is probably there by now. Not all of him is in the ocean. Read the article.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/osama-bin-laden-relatives-dna-matching-technique-reliable/story?id=13510123

[+susieice]

DNA testing was done.

http://www.newsroomamerica.com/story/125030/dna_samples_used_to_verify_bin_laden.html

And more will be done. Soon.

[ChloeB]

This gory pic would offend more then the bombs falling on there heads and the invasion of there country. Have you seen some of the video's on the net and I don't mean youtube that show western soldiers doing far worse to civilians then shooting them in the head let alone the most wanted man on the planet. They can not be anymore offended then they already are. Imo it's a weak argument not to show the pic. I don't recall a wikki leak video of a helicopter killing civilians in the street leading to more aggression. I just don't buy it

What good would showing the picture do? And we don't know what it would do for sure, do you think it's a risk worth taking? If people aren't going to buy the DNA evidence, would they seriously doubt the CIA could dummy up a picture?

[+susieice]

Here's a link to what types of medications were found in BL's compound and what the true state of his health may have actually been.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/osama-bin-laden-top-health-rumors/story?id=13518880

The top pic is a video. It will come on auto.

Edited May 5, 2011 by susieice

[Black Red Devil]

Do you think this is why he wasn't taken alive and handled like Saddam Hussein? That is what my friend's mother thinks, they didn't want him talking too much about this what went on back then: http://en.wikipedia....den_controversy She said this is what caused Bin Laden's hatred of the US, for the US supporting him and then pulling out and leaving them high and dry.

Hi Chloe. I think only a few people really know what happened behind the scenes of this intrigue and they're never going to tell us poor sods, but definitely there is more to it than meets the eye. Take for example the imputation that Bin Laden was the mastermind of 9/11.

The guy always denied involvement, which is quite surprising for someone that hated and declared jihad against the US. You would have thought he would have worn the label of "the mastermind of 9/11" as a big achievement , a badge of honour to display and gloat in front of the rest of the world. Yet, nothing, nada.

Take Bin Laden's death and the latest announcement that Obama does not want to make the photos of his body public. Why? Because it might incite more violence. More violence from who? Al Qaeda, Hamas, the Taliban, the Muslim Brotherhood... I thought the US was fighting a "War on Terror". Are they afraid of antagonising the enemy? LOL, Maybe Obama's decided to win the War on Terror through hugs and kisses.

There's no clarity with the public in this whole story IMO (specially to the American public who have suffered the loss of friends and family members during 9/11 and consequent wars) and this lack of clarity goes back to the CIA involvement, post Soviet-Afghan war.

[acidhead]

Sorry, I wasn't attempting to belittle anything... just point out that no matter what happens, sooner or later there WILL be people with doubts. What I was kind of getting at is that maybe we should have just put the body on ice somewhere so we could trot it out when need be to prove that he's really dead.

That said, another idea just came to me... with all the recent revolutions going on in the middle east and Libia and Syria using troops against their own citizens, if the US and Pakistanis DID know where he was, maybe they chose this time to off him as a way to say: "We won, now we can pull out and redeploy to one of these other places where things are likely to go bad for western interests". Not saying that's what's actually going on but, it would sort of fit in a way.

Any how, just a thought... and I have to admit, I really haven't done the leg work on it yet.

Yeah, me too... and many criminal-minded-like people like myself are thinking this too.

-no body... means no evidence.

What a massive 'screw-up' by this Administration.

[+susieice]

Well, his family would know who he is and they are co-operating with the Pakistani officals. Why would they pretend to be his wife and daughter to back up a US conspiracy?

http://news.yahoo.com/video/world-15749633/25112441#video=25123743

[acidhead]

Well, his family would know who he is and they are co-operating with the Pakistani officals. Why would they pretend to be his wife and daughter to back up a US conspiracy?

http://news.yahoo.com/video/world-15749633/25112441#video=25123743

Good question.

Just curious...

How many wives did Bin Laden have?

[+susieice]

Most places I googled up said 4.

[Black Red Devil]

Here's a link to what types of medications were found in BL's compound and what the true state of his health may have actually been.

http://abcnews.go.co...ory?id=13518880

The top pic is a video. It will come on auto.

In your link,

But the test can't rule out that the body was bin Laden's brother, according to Dr. Lawrence Kobilinsky, a forensic scientist and chairman of science at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York City.

That's why a proper forensic examination and autopsy of the body by independent doctors would have quelled all suspicions and allegations. Oh that's right, they had to ditch the body quickly to avoid offending muslims...........LOL

Edited May 5, 2011 by BlackRedLittleDevil

[Stellar]

And I have proof - DNA evidence

Can I see this DNA evidence?

[el midgetron]

They killed Bin Laden.. and buried him under all the WMDs they found in Iraq.

Lets have some of that "transparency" for a "change" Obama, show us the photo..... Maybe they will as soon as they photoshop one up..........

I don't believe they killed Osama this past week... but mostly I don't know why I should even care if they had?

[The Silver Thong]

What good would showing the picture do? And we don't know what it would do for sure, do you think it's a risk worth taking? If people aren't going to buy the DNA evidence, would they seriously doubt the CIA could dummy up a picture?

So these video's of the thousands dancing in the streets that we condemned of our enemy are now ok for us.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=americans%20celebrate%20osama%20death&search=Search&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&spell=1

The U.S. now looks like the same that danced in the streets over any American killed or attacked in the nations invaded.

It's like there is no difference. Savages all of us.

Edited May 5, 2011 by The Silver Thong

[The Silver Thong]

What good would showing the picture do? And we don't know what it would do for sure, do you think it's a risk worth taking? If people aren't going to buy the DNA evidence, would they seriously doubt the CIA could dummy up a picture?

Yes it's a risk worth taking as there has been many other risks far more dangerous, like invading a muslim nation that had nothing to do with Bin Laden. How much more risky do you want to get as far as offending since Iraq had zero to do with 9/11 but the world was lied to to incite a war based on lies? How much more do you want to go?

A couple pic's of a scumbag the Islamic community as a whole hold in contempt of hijacking there religion. No it may incite a few radicals and good, it will expose them as such.

Post the pic's and expose the danger. It's not rocket science.

Edited May 5, 2011 by The Silver Thong

[Black Red Devil]

Well, his family would know who he is and they are co-operating with the Pakistani officals. Why would they pretend to be his wife and daughter to back up a US conspiracy?

http://news.yahoo.co...#video=25123743

Interesting. I have to agree to the fact that, if they are currently interrogating he's true daughter and wife and, they do acknowledge that the man shot was truly their father and husband, Bin Laden, and they do so in front of proper witnesses (not just an announcement from Obama, the CIA or the Pakistani Govt), then it probably would clarify that Bin Laden was still alive and living in the compound.

Even a skeptic like myself would find it hard to believe that the CIA would think of conjuring up an intrigue with false identities such as a daughter and wife. Let's wait and see and hear what they've got to say,

But that would just clear up one thing, leaving many other unanswered questions.

[acidhead]

We'll be talking about this one for years.. without a doubt. It's perfect.

Why?

-because nothing is going to change. The War on Terror is a global phenomenon, an epidemic, a disease that ain't going to go away by treating the symptoms. It's going to need a massive operation to achieve it's goal of total annihilation of extremists.

Beware

[techfreak]

As Moon Princess said, he was buried in the ocean (not burned).

However, it was Seal team 6. Good luck trying to find out exactly who is on that team.

Also, as far as the election goes, it's still too far off for anyone to consider this as being helpful. The president still has enough time to lower his approval rating and ot get re-elected.

So, now I ask... why does this sound suspicious? Or are you just a PCN?

Are you that gullible? Are you some kind of robot that wont question anything your so called "govnt" does? How does this not sound suspicious? No evidence of any body, a photoshoped pic, no witnesses to give statements, no real pics. Oh my god "hand to forehead"! I guess you would also believe pigs fly, politicians are honest, your economy is great, the rich have no power, and all the other BS Actually pigs do fly. Really! They do! What? You dont believe me cause Im not president? Open your eyes people or you guys are going to suffer the consequences of being robots. And what the heck is PCN?

[The Silver Thong]

Can I see this DNA evidence?

No!

[The Silver Thong]

We'll be talking about this one for years.. without a doubt. It's perfect.

Perfect? Not by a long shot least an execution type shot from the back of the head

[MedicTJ]

I knew this was going to happen. I absolutely knew it.

What I didn't expect is how absolutely clueless the Obama administration could actually be in taking advice on how to handle this short-term and the potential consequences long-term.

The description of all of this is so cookie-cutter it's laughable.

Obama's advisors told him, "No matter how this plays out....regardless of photos or video....the conspiracy theorists are going to have a field day."

But the DUMBEST thing they could have reported to the press is that Bin Laden was unarmed.

If he was unarmed, then why in hell would ANY group pass up the opportunity to get info straight from the source itself??????

If he's not dead.....he's in U.S. custody and under intense interrogation. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that.

And I'm actually okay with that. If they got the guy.....PLEASE tell me he's alive because that's the best source of information to thwart not only any upcoming attacks....but techniques as well. Believe me, there is more you can learn from a human brain than you can learn from a bunch of hard drives.

My main problem is that this insults the intelligence of every human being on the planet.

Maybe Obama's ploy is that he needs to be as stupid as possible in hopes that it will elicit the age-old, "He can't be this stupid" response.

History has shown that governments who hold things of this nature from the public tend to face ultimate upheaval. People get fed up quickly.

Especially in today's day and age.