Osama Bin Laden Dead

[J.B.]

[Just playing devil's avocado here] Maybe he'd have reasoned that this gave him an enormous amount of prestige among the, what you might call, "radical Islam community". Being portrayed as Public Enemy #1 by the U.S. would undoubtedly have made him a figure to be looked up to by many, even if he didn't actually play a hands-on role. And it would also distract attention from the actual, independent terrorist cells, maybe, if the U.S. concentrated all its attention on him (and subsequenly, the Taliban).

I was unaware the Devil liked guacamole.

Bin Laden was mostly the figure head. He fundraised and told his people where to hit, but the actual strikes were planned by his lieutenants and the leaders of the strike teams. Laden was not a military genius, he was a man who could spin a story and give off an image to get funds. He wasn't even very good at holding onto cash, his subordinates have said that he invested all over the place, without accurate records about what he was investing in.

Outside of his delusions about the West, he was everything an Islamic leader should be, generous, intelligent, charming. It's a sadness, really. The successfully evil world leaders only have a few things wrong with them overall, those wrong things just happen to be the causes of their own atrocities. We're not counting the ones the U.S. propped up, here. They never stood a chance on their own to begin with.

[Corp]

Found this a bit amusing.

[+susieice]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/bin_laden_al_qaida

Oh well, prove it. Apparently when al qaeda released this message they didn't know the body had already been disposed of.

Once again, the plot thickens.

Does this work for ya BM?

Edited May 7, 2011 by susieice

[lightly]

If Usama Bin Ladin didn't instigate 9/11 why didn't he release a tape categorically denying it?

Why bother to deny it again ? ..who would believe him?

"I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people"

~ Usama bin Laden, Interview with Pakistani newspaper Ummat (Karachi), September 28, 2001.

[regeneratia]

I agree to the lack of foresight issue when it comes to the CIA.

Lost a sister because of CIA lack of foresight.

[regeneratia]

Because despite its unpopularity, Afghanistan is still a breeding ground for violent, radical Islam. You should spend some time talking to those individuals protecting your freedoms you dislike and hear some of the stories they have from over there.

There is a good documentary following a group in Korengal Valley, you should pick it up;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCPnJaxC17o

It appears our government and/or the elitists are doing the same thing.

Jesse Ventura’s letter to the elitists.

You control our world. You’ve poisoned the air we breathe, contaminated the water we drink, and copyrighted the food we eat. We fight in your wars, die for your causes, and sacrifice our freedoms to protect you. You’ve liquidated our savings, destroyed our middle class, and used our tax dollars to bailout your unending greed. We are slaves to your corporations, zombies to your airwaves, servants to your decadence. You’ve stolen our elections, assassinated our leaders, and abolished our basic rights as human beings. You own our property, shipped away our jobs, and shredded our unions. You’ve profited off of disaster, destabilized our currencies, and raised our cost of living. You’ve monopolized our freedom, stripped away our education, and have almost extinguished our flame. We are hit… we are bleeding… but we ain’t got

time to bleed. We will bring the giants to their knees and you will witness our revolution!”

Sincerely,

The Serfs.

http://weaintgottimetobleed.com/

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I believe obl has been dead for quite a while.

Edited May 7, 2011 by regeneratia

[regeneratia]

The back of AQ has been broken. I do not fear terrorist. I fear loss of American freedoms.

It is time to end the TSA, Homeland Security and the Patriot Act.

[booNyzarC]

Speaking of Restrepo, thanks for the movie recommendation Copasetic. I picked it up and watched it the other day. Great film in my opinion. What our boys go through is hell. I have all of the respect in the world for those that put their lives on the line for the rest of us. Anybody that doesn't respect them has serious personal issues to deal with. I thank them for their courage and resilience.

I don't always agree with the decisions that put them where they are, but God bless them for doing what they do.

Cheers.

Edited May 7, 2011 by booNyzarC

[KRS_One]

Jesse Ventura’s letter to the elitists.

...

I can't believe I'm even saying this, but you are aware that you're espousing the political manifesto of an ex-professional wrestler's stance against the bourgeoisie. Right?

I just want to be absolutely certain.

[Beckys_Mom]

Once again, the plot thickens.

Does this work for ya BM?

ha ha yeaa

OR...

The plot thickens....

Que the music

[The Silver Thong]

The problem now is not about Osama's death. It's about how he was given safe haven when intelligence entities inside Pakistan and U.S. circles knew where he was the whole time.

[J.B.]

I can't believe I'm even saying this, but you are aware that you're espousing the political manifesto of an ex-professional wrestler's stance against the bourgeoisie. Right?

I just want to be absolutely certain.

Exactly what part of that is a bad thing? Couldn't you have picked better holes to poke in this? Like all the times he's been on Alex Jones's radio show? Being an ex-professional wrestler doesn't matter, and the upper-middle to upper classes have wrecked the world. Remember, they're the ones who run corporate, and it's corporate that has: stripped forests, convinced us we need every God Damned thing under the sun, moved to provide us with every cheap piece of crap they can, etc. etc. So, I ask you, sir, to please tell me what is bad about endorsing the man? (I already started you on one track, just keep going.)

[+susieice]

I'm not sure I know just who did and didn't know where OBL was for certain or for how long they knew. I'm sure there were some. I find it hard to believe he could have been there for all those years without someone in the Pakistani intelligence not knowing. Many in the US thought he was in the mountains around Kandahar on the Afghan-Pakistani border. I'm sure once Obama knew for sure where he was the plans were a while laying out before being put into motion. This was a gutsy move to make and you can see it on the faces of the officals watching the events in the pic the CTers are so good at coming up with captions for. People critize Obama's hidden agendas only because the mission was successful. It would have been really bad if the mission had failed, and it did have some kinks in it like the crashed helicopter, but they pulled it off. It's possible Bush didn't want to take the risk of a failed attempt. Now of course, there's the retribution to consider. This is all just my own humble opinion, but I do give Obama credit just for accepting the risk.

[liteness]

Good move by the world bankers, Zionists and the world Elite. Amazing how well they plan out and execute things like this. They know when people are getting tired of situations, they mix up things a bit and change the opinion of millions.

They managed to drain countries dry of value and economy with this fake terrorism war. Just like all the other wars, totally fake, planned out and executed.

The most surprising thing, and most saddening, is that people fall for this bull. We are a world of uneducated, easily fooled, beaten down and tired population.

Osama bin laden had nothing to do with 9/11. That was an extremely well executed attack on the USA by bankers, world elite and the Zionists that believe only they should own this planet. (not just a piece of land).

The worst of all, is I probably won't live to see the day when this world can be free. Free of a monetary systems. We will only survive as a race with a resource based economy without dictatorship.

The best way to imprison people is a prison they don't see nor understand.

It's called monetary prison.

Those who understand what I'm talking about, keep educating yourselves, I try to as much as possible. Talk to your friends and family, use dialectic with them about the world we're living in today.

Those who do not understand what I'm saying and/or become angry with me. Just live and die, like the rest of the things on this planet that do not have the ability for conscious thought and free thought/opinions.

[+susieice]

Do you remember Operation Eagle Claw, also known as the failed attempt to rescue the Iranian hostages in Tehran. April, 1980. Blackballed the Presidency of Jimmy Carter.

How about what is most commonly known as "Black Hawk Down"? October, 1993 Somolia. Gutsy but failed. Became a black mark on the Presidency of Bill Clinton.

I'm sure there's more but I thought of these two offhand.

No, these had nothing to do with bankers or Zionists or anyone else that really needs to do something like this to control the economy.

We send our best. They do their best. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. It's a gutsy toss into the face of fate.

[liteness]

Do you remember Operation Eagle Claw, also known as the failed attempt to rescue the Iranian hostages in Tehran. April, 1980. Blackballed the Presidency of Jimmy Carter.

How about what is most commonly known as "Black Hawk Down"? October, 1993 Somolia. Gutsy but failed. Became a black mark on the Presidency of Bill Clinton.

I'm sure there's more but I thought of these two offhand.

No, these had nothing to do with bankers or Zionists or anyone else that really needs to do something like this to control the economy.

We send our best. They do their best. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. It's a gutsy toss into the face of fate.

Well, I never insinuated these specific situations were planned and agreed upon by the US and the Iranian/Somalian dictatorships.

There are of course "real" situations, the entire is not a huge show.

Though, I do not think Carter and Clinton jumped into these situations out of the goodness of their hearts. More so along the lines of trying to gain trust for holding the balance of opinion from the public.

Nothing to do with bankers and Zionists? That could be discussed. If you follow both sides(or all sides), you will understand why and how these conflicts first started off. Iran is a dangerous country, simply because they are very tired of how the world around them is degrading in value and faith. Obviously, both these countries on topic, are not the typical "greener parts" of the world.

Bankers and the Elite are all about creating conflict, fear and uncertainties, these situations have ripple effects which endanger lives down the line in the near or far future and spread to every country in the world.

:edit:

Actually, I think it would be a bit unfair, to use these two examples without mentioning why or how this situation started. O.E.C. Started with Carter allowing (as it is written in history books) the Shah treatment for cancer in the USA. The Iranian revolutionary government seized the US Embassy compound demanding the release of the Shah.

These difficulties came about due to different relations between Iran/US/USSR previous to the entire O.E.C. attempt and failure. The Difficult relations between the US and USSR has mostly to do with previous wars as well, which were financed and started by bankers/world elite and Zionists.

As for the Battle of Mogadishu in Somalia. Well. Let's just say 4 different parties(clan, gangs) trying to gain control of one country will always lead to war. Why did this happen? I'd like to say power and money. Monetary system is to blame.

If you trace the economy balance and history of Somalia, as well as many other African countries, you see easily bankers loan out cash on interest(slavery), instantly putting the countries in debt. Causing pain, starvation, poverty and unrest. Which lead to the different clans and gangs that think, try (or just want power) that end up trying to take action in the country.

My opinion of course.

Edited May 7, 2011 by liteness

[thewonderman]

they are apperently releasing around 5 tapes today showing Osama which they found in the mansion should be intresting..

[The Silver Thong]

Good move by the world bankers, Zionists and the world Elite. Amazing how well they plan out and execute things like this. They know when people are getting tired of situations, they mix up things a bit and change the opinion of millions.

They managed to drain countries dry of value and economy with this fake terrorism war. Just like all the other wars, totally fake, planned out and executed.

The most surprising thing, and most saddening, is that people fall for this bull. We are a world of uneducated, easily fooled, beaten down and tired population.

Osama bin laden had nothing to do with 9/11. That was an extremely well executed attack on the USA by bankers, world elite and the Zionists that believe only they should own this planet. (not just a piece of land).

The worst of all, is I probably won't live to see the day when this world can be free. Free of a monetary systems. We will only survive as a race with a resource based economy without dictatorship.

The best way to imprison people is a prison they don't see nor understand.

It's called monetary prison.

Those who understand what I'm talking about, keep educating yourselves, I try to as much as possible. Talk to your friends and family, use dialectic with them about the world we're living in today.

Those who do not understand what I'm saying and/or become angry with me. Just live and die, like the rest of the things on this planet that do not have the ability for conscious thought and free thought/opinions.

With out presenting links this will be skimmed over.

[The Silver Thong]

they are apperently releasing around 5 tapes today showing Osama which they found in the mansion should be intresting..

I heard one tape, and what they show will in itself present more questions if it;s released at all and to how authentic it seems.

[Corp]

With out presenting links this will be skimmed over.

The guy is blaming everything on Zionists. I doubt he has any links of real value.

[Viral]

The guy is blaming everything on Zionists. I doubt he has any links of real value.

Except from some internet documentary they saw that one time!

[danielost]

In a couple of hours, and proved by the people who'd killed him, not even by a qualified forensic team with a properly equipped lab, unless Special Forces carry one around with them just in case? That's conclusive identification?

Special Forces, or their immediate superiors,' main and overriding concern would be to avoid offending Islamic sensibilities? How many of them would even know about that? And dumping it (I suppose out of a helicopter) in the ocean would not offend anybody at all, no. Do you suppose that he was treated with due respect and given due rites?

The reason for keeping the body would surely be to prove incontrovertibly that it was him. Surely it must have been obvious that this would give rise to suspicion, doing it so hastily and furtively.

If you did decide to produce a fake bin Laden, (just hypothetically), this would be by far the best way of making sure that no one could prove that it was fake, or that they'd killed a double.

and al quida just went along with it.

[+susieice]

I was going to give this it's own thread, but why? Palin once again proves she is the best candidate to run the country.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110507/cm_ac/8434349_palin_twitter_post_schools_president_obama_on_completing_mission;_ylt=AjVr78vi_bUzLnP2t3JkPGFg.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTRtbWtsNXI1BGFzc2V0A2FjLzIwMTEwNTA3Lzg0MzQzNDlfcGFsaW5fdHdpdHRlcl9wb3N0X3NjaG9vbHNfcHJlc2lkZW50X29iYW1hX29uX2NvbXBsZXRpbmdfbWlzc2lvbgRjY29kZQNnbXBlBGNwb3MDNARwb3MDNARzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3JpZXMEc2xrA3BhbGludHdpdHRlcg--

She could use a lesson on big game hunting.

[J.B.]

I was going to give this it's own thread, but why? Palin once again proves she is the best candidate to run the country.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110507/cm_ac/8434349_palin_twitter_post_schools_president_obama_on_completing_mission;_ylt=AjVr78vi_bUzLnP2t3JkPGFg.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTRtbWtsNXI1BGFzc2V0A2FjLzIwMTEwNTA3Lzg0MzQzNDlfcGFsaW5fdHdpdHRlcl9wb3N0X3NjaG9vbHNfcHJlc2lkZW50X29iYW1hX29uX2NvbXBsZXRpbmdfbWlzc2lvbgRjY29kZQNnbXBlBGNwb3MDNARwb3MDNARzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3JpZXMEc2xrA3BhbGludHdpdHRlcg--

She could use a lesson on big game hunting.

Usual Neocon Bull. The Repubs haven't been a good party since the 50's, and the Democrats fell into the same damn trap in the 60's. Presidents win wars and try to keep the legislative side balanced, that's all. Obama's mission has taken a head off of the snake, whether this is good or bad, time will tell. Palin's problem is that she thinks she has THE answer, when there isn't a clear cut one. Bin Laden was dropped in the ocean, within a day. That says enough: "Show your face and we'll blow it off before dropping the rest of you to the sharks. Have a nice day." Photos aren't necessary.

[+susieice]

Photos are not necessary. I totally agree with that. People are going to toss the bull whether those pics are released or not. Won't make one bit of difference. Given the protests over the death of OBL that are already taking place, I think the pics would only cause more disruption. The body was disposed of the way it was to stop it from becoming a shrine somewhere. Releasing the photos would only provide a rallying point. We need to remain vigilant in expecting some sort of retaliation, but I think Obama is taking the right course in not fanning the flames. I really don't want to see the bloody result of the raid anyway.