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Look, here it is laid out simply for you--The functional unit of the kidney is the nephron. Each nephron has a "single nephron GFR" or SNGFR, which is determined by filtration rate at the barrier in the glomerulus of said nephron. Collectively, the SNGFRs constitute the overall function of the kidney. You are born with, and live with, an excess number of those nephrons. You actually only need about 15-20% (depending on your age, size, health, etc) of those nephrons to survive. Ergo, your GFR or "Glomerular filtration rate"--That is the sum of all of your nephrons acting in tandem, provides excessive filtration of blood plasma that actually isn't required for life. For this same reason, you can donate a kidney (or be born with a single one) and get along fine.

Also pertinent to the discussion then, is that when kidney failure "happens" (I am talking about terminally) your at the end stage of a disease process that has been occurring for years--Probably decades (and probably often in response to the terribly high acidic diets we eat, which evidence shows the excessive amount of hydrogen ion secretion, aka; acid, typical of the western diet works "wonders" on the macula densa and other nephron machinery). Where and when you start dialysis is often variable, sometimes is it done in a prophylatic manner to ease degrading GFR rates (which your physician can monitor over the years via creatinine-phosphate levels). It is not uncommon, by any stretch of the imagination, for people who are starting the process of kidney failure to live long lingering lives--Not to mention before they ever even start dialysis.

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Actually they've announced that the ID was done by DNA testing and by facial recognition software.

DNA? DNA testing takes 48 hours in a lab, no? Yet they were able to determine it was him, in the field, in a matter of hours?

I call bulldung. On this whole charade.

Just noticed 747 already beat me to it.

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Nope. Renal physiology isn't my strong point. You're absolutely right in assuming that. But I do know what GFR is and what it stands for.....and to say "15 percent of GFR" is so unbelievably funny, it's ridiculous. It makes absolutely no sense. Maybe you need to put your nose back in those medical books.

Let me put this straight one more time....and it's the LAST time.

GFR IS A PERCENTAGE ALREADY

Do you understand that????????????

Uh, no. Apparently you didn't understand "that". GFR isn't a "percent already"--GFR is a measure of the bulkflow of water and permeable solutes into Bowman's space. It is measured, clinically by creatinine phosphate clearance, since creatinine phosphate is neither secreted nor reabsorbed (much like inulin, and yes I mean inulin not insulin), then it can be used to make a rather close approximation of GFR.

Maybe this is where you are confused because creatinine estimated GFR is actually only about 90% accurate of the realized GFR--Is this how you've got your "percents" confused?

GFR is volume per unit time (like ml/min, etc).

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I was shocked when I heard this the news today, as I, like many others here, assumed he was already dead, due to articles and experts on TV previously speculating so. I'm having a hard time figuring out WHAT to believe. I guess time will tell, and I'd love some sort of DNA results to emerge with in the next few weeks.

As great as this news is, though, I can't help but feel all the celebrating is a bit in poor taste.

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**** the DNA test...... CNN just reported that the body has been buried at sea!?!?!?!

WTF?

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DNA? DNA testing takes 48 hours in a lab, no? Yet they were able to determine it was him, in the field, in a matter of hours?

I call bulldung. On this whole charade.

Just noticed 747 already beat me to it.

No it doesn't. In a low tech lab DNA testing (via genetic finger printing) can be done in a matter of hours. So long as DNA from a relative is available. Considering he topped the chart for the most wanted list, I'd imagine that his familia DNA was kept by some acronymed group somewhere for the day this happened.

Knowing what civilian tech companies have available, its not unlikely that the turn around time is even shorter with the resources of the government available.

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10 years to find the guy... you finally do rekindling all the bad memories for many people and than you dump the body in the sea??!?!?!?!?!?!

EPIC

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**** the DNA test...... CNN just reported that the body has been buried at sea!?!?!?!

WTF?

What complete nonsense. This whole 'killing' stinks.

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Bloody hell, they were efficient. Special Forces carry that around with them as well, do they? I thought he was only killed last night, but they were able to get all that done already? Really?

Like I pointed out above, DNA fingerprinting takes, on ****ty equipment even, only a matter of hours. If you got kick ass thermocyclers, premade gels and employees doing nothing but that-Its not time at all.

Hell, the R&D lab I used to consult for we developed RNA-DNA hybridization fingerprinting for strep species that took about 45 minutes to run. And that isn't even with thermocyclers, just bouncing RLUs.

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i wonder if Donald Trump would be satisfied with this amount of evidence? :hmm:

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What complete nonsense. This whole 'killing' stinks.

Obama releases his BC and dumps the body - all in one week....... EPIC.

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10 years to find the guy... you finally do rekindling all the bad memories for many people and than you dump the body in the sea??!?!?!?!?!?!

EPIC

Its so that those sympathizers to radical, violent, fundamentalist Islam can't make a shrine and martyr out of him. Though, in my opinion, those people will still claim the martyr card for him--At least they won't have a shrine to make pilgrimages too.

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Like I pointed out above, DNA fingerprinting takes, on ****ty equipment even, only a matter of hours. If you got kick ass thermocyclers, premade gels and employees doing nothing but that-Its not time at all.

Hell, the R&D lab I used to consult for we developed RNA-DNA hybridization fingerprinting for strep species that took about 45 minutes to run. And that isn't even with thermocycles, just bouncing RLUs.

And a Special Forces unit has all that, and the skilled personnel, in the field, do they? They'd hardly have even have had time to get back to base. Do they just happen to carry it about in their packs, or did they bring it specially, knowing that they were nearly onto ObL?

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No it doesn't. In a low tech lab DNA testing (via genetic finger printing) can be done in a matter of hours. So long as DNA from a relative is available. Considering he topped the chart for the most wanted list, I'd imagine that his familia DNA was kept by some acronymed group somewhere for the day this happened.

Knowing what civilian tech companies have available, its not unlikely that the turn around time is even shorter with the resources of the government available.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States is conducting DNA testing on slain al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and used facial recognition techniques to help identify him, a U.S. official said on Monday.

Bin Laden was identified by the assault force that killed him in a firefight in Pakistan in which he resisted and was shot in the head, the official said on condition of anonymity.

Results of the DNA tests should be available in the next few days, the official told Reuters.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/5/2/worldupdates/2011-05-02T115133Z_01_NOOTR_RTRMDNC_0_-567004-1&sec=Worldupdates

They don't even have the results yet it seems. At least according to Reuters.

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Its so that those sympathizers to radical, violent, fundamentalist Islam can't make a shrine and martyr out of him. Though, in my opinion, those people will still claim the martyr card for him--At least they won't have a shrine to make pilgrimages too.

It seems to me like you are finding answers to fit your preexisting theory. They didn't have to tell anyone where he was buried. And to be honest, I would have thought they would take him home to the US and burn him on HBO or something...

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That's the picture being shown on Al Jazeera and other non-US networks:

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thats an old photo.... you can find it in a quick google search from last year........ We're told OBL died May 1, 2011.

Yet now were being told less than 3 hours after Obama spoke LIVE that the body has been dumped at sea to avoid creating a shrine out of a burial place on land.

I think were being lied to now.

If creating a shrine was their concern than they never would have told everybody where he was living and killed in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

DUH!

The White-shoe boys are up to something. The talk seems to have switched to blaming Pakistan. I can hear war drums.

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thats an old photo.... you can find it in a quick google search from last year........ We're told OBL died May 1, 2011.

Yet now were being told less than 3 hours after Obama spoke LIVE that the body has been dumped at sea to avoid creating a shrine out of a burial place on land.

I think were being lied to now.

If creating a shrine was their concern than they never would have told everybody where he was living and killed in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

DUH!

The White-shoe boys are up to something. The talk seems to have switched to blaming Pakistan. I can hear war drums.

Indeed I just read that the photo is an old one also mate :)

And good point about the shrine.

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Anyone else notice that this Osama has a black beard? When ten years ago it was gey? (this is an issue with the videos also). He uses 'Just for Men'?

Not to mention all the other physical characteristics that simply just don't match up.

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And a Special Forces unit has all that, and the skilled personnel, in the field, do they? They'd hardly have even have had time to get back to base. Do they just happen to carry it about in their packs, or did they bring it specially, knowing that they were nearly onto ObL?

No, why would they carry all that? The attack was launched from a base in Afghanistan where the SeAL platoon had been preparing for a week for with live fire and drill exercises. I'd imagine they did the test, with rapid gels there for confirmation as well as transmitting photos to intelligence data systems for the facial recognition software.

The attack was launched 3ish EST and announced at 11:30ish EST. That is plenty of time to do a DNA finger print.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States is conducting DNA testing on slain al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and used facial recognition techniques to help identify him, a U.S. official said on Monday.

Bin Laden was identified by the assault force that killed him in a firefight in Pakistan in which he resisted and was shot in the head, the official said on condition of anonymity.

Results of the DNA tests should be available in the next few days, the official told Reuters.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/5/2/worldupdates/2011-05-02T115133Z_01_NOOTR_RTRMDNC_0_-567004-1&sec=Worldupdates

They don't even have the results yet it seems. At least according to Reuters.

That's when they are saying they will release the results to the public. I doubt they don't have them.

It seems to me like you are finding answers to fit your preexisting theory. They didn't have to tell anyone where he was buried. And to be honest, I would have thought they would take him home to the US and burn him on HBO or something...

I don't have a preexisting "theory", I'm simply reporting what reasons White House sources said to reporters. It fits, I don't particularly want a Osama mausoleum being pilgrimed too. Why would we burn him on HBO? The situation is delicate with Islam and like Obama said in the speech, we are not at war with Islam--We are making efforts to respect the beliefs of Islam in the hopes of pacifying any anti-American/West violence. Will it work? I don't know.

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That's when they are saying they will release the results to the public. I doubt they don't have them.

I don't have a preexisting "theory", I'm simply reporting what reasons White House sources said to reporters. It fits, I don't particularly want a Osama mausoleum being pilgrimed too. Why would we burn him on HBO? The situation is delicate with Islam and like Obama said in the speech, we are not at war with Islam--We are making efforts to respect the beliefs of Islam in the hopes of pacifying any anti-American/West violence. Will it work? I don't know.

First, sorry my comment about HBO was supposed to be satrical. But considering the way they disposed of Saddam (public hanging) I guess it's not entirely impossible a situation.

And read the Reuters article. It clearly states that he was identified using facial recognition (which face did they use as the 'original' I wonder?) and that the test was currently being carried out. DNA did not play a part in the identification.

Oh, and for the genetic fingerprint to take a couple of hours, you stated that they would need a sample from a relative? They just happened to have that handy at the base you mention?

And just an afterthought: was Saddam Hussein buried at sea also? What a truly weird situation.

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Id like to see one of those reporters live at ground zero tell the people the Feds threw the body away.

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So basically they're talking of dumping the body- giving it a decent and speedy burial to avoid offending Muslim sensibilities- um, at sea, so eliminating any possibility of it being exhumed, but asking us to accept that they've done full and indisputable DNA tests, there and then in the field, and they'll, um, release the results in a few weeks... perhaps.

So none of this looks fishy, no.

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So basically they're talking of dumping the body- giving it a decent and speedy burial to avoid offending Muslim sensibilities- um, at sea, so eliminating any possibility of it being exhumed, but asking us to accept that they've done full and indisputable DNA tests, there and then in the field, and they'll, um, release the results in a few weeks... perhaps.

So none of this looks fishy, no.

:unsure2:

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