DC09 Posted August 20, 2004 #1 Share Posted August 20, 2004 JERUSALEM - Iran threatened this week to attack Israel's nuclear facilities. Israel ominously warned that it "knows how to defend itself." Tensions between the two arch enemies have suddenly escalated, underlining the other great enmity that has been bubbling on the sidelines of the Arab-Israeli conflict for more than two decades. Suspicions that the Iranian regime is moving forward with a nuclear arms program deeply worry Israel, which considers Iran the greatest threat to the Jewish state. Israeli officials say they want to avoid escalating the situation, however, and there is no sign Israel is building up for an attack like the one that destroyed Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor in 1981. Experts say the two countries are unlikely to go to war anytime soon, despite the heated-up rhetoric coming out of Iran and the intensified efforts by Israel to isolate the Iranian regime diplomatically. Iran and Israel once had close ties, but they have been foes since the 1979 revolution that ousted Iran's shah and installed an Islamic government. Iranian leaders routinely call for Israel's destruction, while Israelis accuse Iran of supporting anti-Israel terrorists. The heightened tensions arose from the U.S.-led campaign to organize international pressure on Iran to rein in its nuclear program. While recently confirming they are working with technology that can be used to produce weapons-grade uranium, the Iranians insist their program's sole purpose is the peaceful generation of power and angrily complain about being under siege. Last month, the commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guards said Iranians would "crush" Israel if it attacked the Persian state. Iranian Defense Minister Ali Shamkhani, upped the ante this week, telling Al-Jazeera television that his government might launch pre-emptive strikes to protect its nuclear facilities if they were threatened. "We will not sit to wait for what others will do to us," he said, adding that some Iranian generals believe the doctrine of pre-emption is "not limited to Americans." Full Article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffybunny Posted August 20, 2004 #2 Share Posted August 20, 2004 Oh great... That is all we need, a nuclear war... I like how iran said that the america wasn't the only one that could strike pre-emptively... Can we slip a little prozac into their tap water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alis Posted August 21, 2004 #3 Share Posted August 21, 2004 (edited) link link link Edited August 21, 2004 by alis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellar Posted August 21, 2004 #4 Share Posted August 21, 2004 Whats that supposed to be alis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alis Posted August 21, 2004 #5 Share Posted August 21, 2004 articles steller!!! sorry did it confuse you?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellar Posted August 21, 2004 #6 Share Posted August 21, 2004 No, I was just wondering what you were trying to say... I thought you were gonna dismiss this as propoganda cuz of what the TehranTimes wrote! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alis Posted August 21, 2004 #7 Share Posted August 21, 2004 im sure we believe totally different things stellar, i believe the USA and Israeli governement are doing their best to take over Iran. it wont happen, i can tell you. ive been there, my father is there now, i know what the people are like, and they wont take it, simple. Israel has nuclear weapons yet the USA turns a blind eye to them, its a different story for Iran as far as theyre concerned, as Iran is seen as a threat to both Israel and the USA. it would not be in anyone's interest if Iran used nulclear weapons to attack, but there are still people who think this country is willing to take on the world and use them. yes i do think there is a lot of propaganda against Iran, it is the country in the middle east with the least western influence, but hey, i really dont want to get into another heated arguement, you carry on believing everything Bush says, and ill keep believing the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montclair Posted August 21, 2004 #8 Share Posted August 21, 2004 Iran has few weeks left ,and then Israel with big US help (satelite pictures etc.)will attack nuclear installations.Just like they did in Iraq in 1981.No question about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alis Posted August 21, 2004 #9 Share Posted August 21, 2004 if thats the case then i better get my ass over to Iran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikl Posted August 21, 2004 #10 Share Posted August 21, 2004 Alis, the Iranian regime since 1979 is anything but rational. It spreads terror and use terror against it's own people. It calls for the destruction of Israel almost daily. It created a suicide bombers squad only couple of months ago. It crushed the rebellon of the students that tried to create a democratic Iran. I don't understand how an Iranian in exile such as yourself can support this regime. The Jewish people and the Iranian people have been allies for 2,500 years. I wish Iran and Israel will return to be the close allies they once were. But with the current fundamentalist regime of Iran, I don't see this comming. Nuclear Iran = nulcrear Al-Qaeda/Hezbollah/Al-Sadr. Don't let anyone confuse you otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellar Posted August 21, 2004 #11 Share Posted August 21, 2004 Alis, no one ever said they're gonna take over Iran. Think about this, Iran gets its nuclear facility destroyed. What is it gonna do to Isreal and the US? It cant win. I dont think Iran should have nukes, and I wish they'd stop what they're doing but they've got big mouths and are mouthing off to the world almost each day. Just recently they threatened to attack the US forces in Iraq, i've heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alis Posted August 21, 2004 #12 Share Posted August 21, 2004 (edited) I don't understand how an Iranian in exile such as yourself can support this regime. excuse me, im not in exile, i was there 5 years ago, have an iranian passport (dual nationality)and nearly went there for a holiday the tuesday just gone. I dont think Iran should have nukes but its ok for pakistan, india, israel etc to have this kind of technology cos they arent a threat, well im sorry if you're living in the fear that Iran will use them for any reason other than defense. if they attacked israel or the USA it would be a very stupid move, economically and politically, what have they got to gain from a war with either of these countries??? i can see you have a lot more to gain by invading Iran and putting a puppet president in power like youve tried to with Iraq. be honest, you dont care about the people and the regime they are oppressed by, so dont pretend you care, i can see from watching footage of Iraqi people, how much you really care. beleive me, i want to see a less oppressive regime more than you do, but neither the USA nor Israel will be successful in achieving it. it must come from within the country. the end result.......lots of people (iranian, british, american etc) DEAD. Edited August 21, 2004 by alis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted August 22, 2004 #13 Share Posted August 22, 2004 Alis, i think you should just be hoping that your crazy government doesn't use its nuclear weapons, otherwise next time you go to Iran it'll be a great big blob of glass.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted August 22, 2004 #14 Share Posted August 22, 2004 yes i do think there is a lot of propaganda against Iran, it is the country in the middle east with the least western influence, Iran has a 'huge' western influence...deep inside the infrastructure...the median age of Iran is about 25 and inside the privacy of their own dwellings, they listen to western rock and dance music, donn bluejeans and tee shirts and party, party, party.....but then having dual citizenship, you should already know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunarmdscissor Posted August 22, 2004 #15 Share Posted August 22, 2004 oh joc i didnt realise you were regularly making covert visits to tehran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alis Posted August 22, 2004 #16 Share Posted August 22, 2004 (edited) me neither, maybe we could meet up and party there when your next in town. i said Iran has the LEAST western influence, i didnt say it had none, and it does, go there and find out for yourself. i think you'l find its not as western as places like Kuwait, Jordan, UAE etc. Nuclear Iran = nulcrear Al-Qaeda/Hezbollah/Al-Sadr. Don't let anyone confuse you otherwise. if this is the case erikl, then why did the taliban ( home of al-queda) behead Iranian cleric diplomats?? Relations between the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Islamic Emarat of Afghanistan touched the bottom after 9 Iranian diplomats and one journalist were killed at the Iranian consulate by the Taleban when they stormed last August the northern city of Mazar e Sharif, the last capital and stronghold of the Iran-backed Northern Alliance of former president Borhaneddin Rabbani and veteran war warrior Ahmad Shah Mas'oud. link Edited August 22, 2004 by alis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikl Posted August 23, 2004 #17 Share Posted August 23, 2004 if this is the case erikl, then why did the taliban ( home of al-queda) behead Iranian cleric diplomats?? I didn't say they are in agreement - Al-Qaeda is a fanatical Sunni muslim, while Al-Sadr and the current Iranian regime are fanatical Shiia muslims. All in all, they are the same. They each other, but they also have common foe - the west - and they use the same tactics against it (terrorism). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellar Posted August 23, 2004 #18 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Hmm, heres what I say the US/Isreal should do if they decide to take out Irans nuclear facility. They equipe a few ICBMs with dummy warheads, and launch a few dozen at Iran and its military facilities. Iran picks up the launches and the incomming ICBMs on their radar or somethin, and the US tells them they'll self destruct the ICBMs if Iran agrees to dismantle its nuclear program. After Iran agrees, the US lets the ICBMs hit their targets and we all have a laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alis Posted August 23, 2004 #19 Share Posted August 23, 2004 yeh but thats if you aim it in the right direction. during the begining of the iraq war, more brits were killed by americans than by iraqis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gollum Posted August 23, 2004 #20 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Stellar, you are one strange pup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellar Posted August 23, 2004 #21 Share Posted August 23, 2004 yeh but thats if you aim it in the right direction. during the begining of the iraq war, more brits were killed by americans than by iraqis. Ahh, I forgot! If the US did do that, Iran would be like "WTF are they talking about?" and some poor country in south america would be like "Huh? What are these things flying towards us?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alis Posted August 23, 2004 #22 Share Posted August 23, 2004 so as long as you hit the right country, killing innocent people doesnt bother you. im not going to insult you, you've probably heard it all before. watch out Iran, stellar's about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted August 23, 2004 #23 Share Posted August 23, 2004 alis, I haven't heard that Americans killed more brits than iraqis. Where do I find out more about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alis Posted August 23, 2004 #24 Share Posted August 23, 2004 (edited) link link link alis, I haven't heard that Americans killed more brits than iraqis. Where do I find out more about that? the americans didnt kill more brits than they killed iraqis, i said more brits were killed by americans than they were by iraqis at the start of the war. Edited August 23, 2004 by alis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted August 23, 2004 #25 Share Posted August 23, 2004 I worded that wrong, that's what I meant. Thanks, I really need to learn how to use the quote thingy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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