E-Cat Cold fusion independently validated

[Paracelse]

Trial and error is just as good away to discover something as any other I guess, at least until it blows up. LOL

Still it would be great if it works.

(Isn't that how they discovered Viagra?)

Methink it was the light bulb.. but heck who am I to know better?

[Agent Darkbootie]

Somehow they are breaking down the nickel, using some kind of cataslyst and hydrogen. It is basically the same thing as burning coal and oxygen, just that it releases more energy per unit weight.

Not quite. The theory is that when the hydrogen nuclei are heated to a certain temperature, they fuse with the nickel atoms to form copper.

[ships-cat]

Hmmm..... a large part of me WANTS to beleive this. However... there are warning signs.

Firstly, there is an awful lot of 'future tense' stuff here. The patent application, for example, EXCLUDES details of the catalyser (the core fusion generator) itself. (begging the question... what, precisely, have they patented). Instead, the inventors state that the core "would be" patented sperately. ('would be'... but hasn't yet).

The inventors state that the device "will be" made available to Bologne and Uppsula universities to study. Well... yes... but when ? It certainly hasn't YET.

The inventors are quoted as saying that there is 'no reason' that the commercial Greek power station shouldn't be ready on time. Ummm... thats a bit... 'passive', isn't it ? You'd think they'd be a bit more up-beat about things.

Thus far, EVERYTHING rides on this Greek power station.

Now here is the SECOND strange thing. The E-Cat has been (partially) patented in Itally (and hence presumably the EU), but NOT in America. So why has an American company been appointed to construct the first batch of E-cats .. in America .. for a GREEK power station ? And not just ANY American company... but a 'start up' company that APPEARS to have been created PURELY for the purpose of producing E-Cats, without ANY prior history of experience in manufacturing. Surely a risky option if the E-cat is not even PATENTED in the USA ?

And now.. suprise suprise.. there is a problem. The 330 E-cats have - alledgedly - been produced, but there is a difficulty in creating a reactor housing that can hold the E-cats, and subsequently be transported over to Greece.

Well GOSH... here's a thought. Why not build it in Greece ?

You know, the go-live date for this Greek powerplant is October. Thats only 5 months away. But don't you just KNOW that this particular October will never arrive. Oh.. the E-cats will be fine but "that durned reactor housing is causing an issue....". Once finished, I anticipate that it will be damaged in transit and.. gosh.. we'll just have to delay the opening by another few months. And just one excuse after another will be trotted out. Ultimately, I suspect the transport ship (which will be some tiny, independantly owned boat) will sink en-route.

Like I say... its only 5 months away. We shall see. I hope I'm wrong.

But let me leave you with one last thought. A key milestone for credibility will be reached when Bologne or Uppsula universities receive their promised E-cats to test.

But they havn't yet, have they ? Nor - I suggest - will they EVER.

meow purr

[+DieChecker]

Now here is the SECOND strange thing. The E-Cat has been (partially) patented in Itally (and hence presumably the EU), but NOT in America. So why has an American company been appointed to construct the first batch of E-cats .. in America .. for a GREEK power station ? And not just ANY American company... but a 'start up' company that APPEARS to have been created PURELY for the purpose of producing E-Cats, without ANY prior history of experience in manufacturing. Surely a risky option if the E-cat is not even PATENTED in the USA ?

That is quite strange.

And now.. suprise suprise.. there is a problem. The 330 E-cats have - alledgedly - been produced, but there is a difficulty in creating a reactor housing that can hold the E-cats, and subsequently be transported over to Greece.

Reactor Housing? So there IS radiation? I'd thought I heard this was a radioactive free device.

But let me leave you with one last thought. A key milestone for credibility will be reached when Bologne or Uppsula universities receive their promised E-cats to test.

That will be fun to read about.

[+DieChecker]

Not quite. The theory is that when the hydrogen nuclei are heated to a certain temperature, they fuse with the nickel atoms to form copper.

So is it really "cold" fusion then? Is it at room temperature or not? Very strange.

[+DieChecker]

Maybe someone already posted this link. It has links to tons of other E-Cat articles.

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/RossiECatPortal.shtml

This looks to either be legit, or a really big scam. I don't see this being a scientific mistake, as too many people have witnessed it and signed off that energy is being converted from somewhere.

[marharthm]

This is not a real reactor, no radiation is emitted.

Its likely the power is just coming from the gas, and nothing more.

[Copasetic]

Mind you, this is all from a guy with a "degree" from Kensington University, a diploma mill.

Yea, I'd be weary. Some sound scientific advice? Keep your hand on your wallet.

Where have I seen this kind of behavior before, hmmmmmmm.......

Edited May 22, 2011 by Copasetic

[ai_guardian]

I maintain it is a scam. I could be wrong and I freely admit I've been wrong in the past about other things, as my wife will attest. Nothing as major as this though - Orbo comes to mind.

There are too many things about this 'cold fusion' device that just do not add up. For something as extraordinary as it is made out to be (more output than input), it is not getting an extraordinary coverage. This could be due to the amount of skepticism and loads of salt taken with the claims but to me it seems that despite all the demonstrations and limited scrutiny the 'device' is far from convincing. There seem to be too many unknowns that are somewhat being hindered to be known. For example, AFAIK, the device is up to now a "black box" where no one, even the inventors (btw, I think they are well aware of what is going on), know what is happening. They have no idea what is taking place in the 'box' and, afaik, they will not have the fusion by-products independently analysed. If what I've read is correct, why won't they have it analysed?

One could hide anything inside a "black box", even a lead-acid-sealed battery which can pack quite a punch for quite some time, but as (from memory) I've read on the wiki discussion page, one has to (and has not been ruled out) make sure that they are not just simply tapping the Italian power grid rather than some cold fusion reaction.

I guess we'll see or not in October coinciding with the May 21 doomsdayers that have now shifted to Oct 21 .

Oh well, only 5 months of waiting, should be interesting nevertheless.

Cheers

Guardian

[BlazzedAzz]

ahh new ideas forming,we cant have extinct geniouses

[the rebirth]

I was thinking along the same lines as DieChecker (who as far as i can recall having been on this forum a while back has always been an intelligent and rational individual)

Signs point to some kind of chemical, not a nuclear reaction. Last i checked, atomic reactions release radiation, of which there is no mention.

As much as i would like to believe we have come up with a cold-fusion device, i doubt it's legit.

I'm no chemist, but I'm assuming something like H₂O + H₂ + Ni -> Ni₄CO₄ + H₃O + heat, with carbon coming from whatever that black thing they're using as a black box "reactor" or something stupid like that. Its awesome how they never explain how it works.

Edited May 26, 2011 by the rebirth

[27vet]

I too am sick and tired of being held hostage by big oil--way too much has been destroyed by that black, gooey crap. But the old adage "If it sounds too good too be true, it probably is." comes to mind.

It would be wonderful to be proven wrong though!

The sooner the world's oil runs out the better it will be for mankind. No doubt about that.

[Taut]

I wonder about the intricacies of patenting and exposure, etc. I'm sure there are energy interests that would love to see this suppressed if it's truly been achieved. Or maybe not suppressed but bought and controlled and sold in ever improving packages like so many other things.

[George Ford]

Hmmm..... a large part of me WANTS to beleive this. However... there are warning signs.

Firstly, there is an awful lot of 'future tense' stuff here. The patent application, for example, EXCLUDES details of the catalyser (the core fusion generator) itself. (begging the question... what, precisely, have they patented). Instead, the inventors state that the core "would be" patented sperately. ('would be'... but hasn't yet).

The inventors state that the device "will be" made available to Bologne and Uppsula universities to study. Well... yes... but when ? It certainly hasn't YET.

The inventors are quoted as saying that there is 'no reason' that the commercial Greek power station shouldn't be ready on time. Ummm... thats a bit... 'passive', isn't it ? You'd think they'd be a bit more up-beat about things.

Thus far, EVERYTHING rides on this Greek power station.

Now here is the SECOND strange thing. The E-Cat has been (partially) patented in Itally (and hence presumably the EU), but NOT in America. So why has an American company been appointed to construct the first batch of E-cats .. in America .. for a GREEK power station ? And not just ANY American company... but a 'start up' company that APPEARS to have been created PURELY for the purpose of producing E-Cats, without ANY prior history of experience in manufacturing. Surely a risky option if the E-cat is not even PATENTED in the USA ?

And now.. suprise suprise.. there is a problem. The 330 E-cats have - alledgedly - been produced, but there is a difficulty in creating a reactor housing that can hold the E-cats, and subsequently be transported over to Greece.

Well GOSH... here's a thought. Why not build it in Greece ?

You know, the go-live date for this Greek powerplant is October. Thats only 5 months away. But don't you just KNOW that this particular October will never arrive. Oh.. the E-cats will be fine but "that durned reactor housing is causing an issue....". Once finished, I anticipate that it will be damaged in transit and.. gosh.. we'll just have to delay the opening by another few months. And just one excuse after another will be trotted out. Ultimately, I suspect the transport ship (which will be some tiny, independantly owned boat) will sink en-route.

Like I say... its only 5 months away. We shall see. I hope I'm wrong.

But let me leave you with one last thought. A key milestone for credibility will be reached when Bologne or Uppsula universities receive their promised E-cats to test.

But they havn't yet, have they ? Nor - I suggest - will they EVER.

meow purr

I'm 100% with this guy!

[pallidin]

The sooner the world's oil runs out the better it will be for mankind. No doubt about that.

I like that! So true.

[ovaz1088]

If it turns out genuine, I will be very relieved, not surprised; relieved. Because it has taken way too long to begin to start using alternatives so we can mature- collectively- and clean up after ourselves; all the emissions in the air. Free energy is everywhere and new inventions have always been here, but it's the big oil companies that make deals with certain people to not let free energy be available to 'we, the people', because 'they' will cease to be rich; it's a matter of when it will change, not if.

[Almeisan]

Independent Testing started yesterday :

On October 6th of 2011, a very important test of Andrea Rossi's E-Cat (Energy Catalyzer) will take place in the city of Bologna, Italy. Attending the test will be invited scientists from around the world, including staff from the University of Bologna.

This test may be the most important so far, due to the fact many of the issues that remain unresolved in previous tests, will potentially be resolved. For example, one issue that remained unresolved in tests earlier this year was the issue of steam quality. In this test, the quality of steam will not be an issue. This is because the output of the E-Cat will be a closed circuit, in that the water will be turned into steam, allowed to heat a second flow of water through a heat exchanger, be recycled, and then used again. By removing this issue, the most controversial subject of debate will be eliminated.

Additional issues are also expected to be resolved by this test.

- The E-Cat module will be taken apart (except for the reactor core) so the components can be measured and weighed.

- The test will last for 12 hours or longer.

- The E-Cat module will be allowed to operate in self sustain mode -- with no input power -- for an extended period of time.

- Better measurement and data acquisition techniques will be utilized.

For the next few days, all news and information about the test will be posted below, in as close to real time as possible. Please share and spread the link to this webpage, as we plan to be providing top notch coverage of this pivotal test of the E-Cat.

E-Cat_Test

[questionmark]

Lulz, why don't I see any panic on the oil market?

[BiPolarMania]

Rossi's website also said that the Universities of Uppsala and Bologna will have E-Cats on which they can test "in any way they want."

Deja-vú-vú.......third time lucky maybe??

Edited October 8, 2011 by BiPolarMania

[Mr Supertypo]

Deja-vú-vú.......third time lucky maybe??

what do u mean?

[Almeisan]

Good news on the E-Cat:

from https://animpossible...ntion.com/blog/

Historic event: One-year 1 megawatt E-Cat trial completed

On February 17, 2016, a 350-day commercial test of a One Megawatt heat plant based on Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat was completed. The event must be considered historic since it’s the first time an industrially useful amount of energy is produced over such a long time from this kind of yet unexplained radiation-free nuclear reaction—LENR or Low Energy Nuclear Reactions.

To be clear, the report from the one-year trial, which has been controlled by a major independent third party certification institute, will be released only in about a month, and until then no official information is provided on the test result. However, multiple sources have told me that the test has been successful.

Edited February 23, 2016 by Still Waters
Trimmed for length

[bmk1245]

Yeah, yeah, yeah...

Controlled by the major third "There's a sucker born every minute" party...

After all, with claimed COP, why there is a need for external energy input, huh? Answer is simple: Simple feedback would put this scam to inevitable end.

[toast]

I have also been told that the total amount of fuel—mostly harmless elements such as lithium, hydrogen and nickel,

according to Andrea Rossi’s granted patent on the technology

He does not hold a patent on that "technology", he applied for but a patent has been rejected again in 2016:

Has Rothwell just destroyed any hope for Rossi to get new investors? We tell you what the latest “peer reviewer,” we mean

patent examiner, has to say about the Lugano test and supposed e-cat replications. Not only was Rossi’s real e-cat patent application

rejected again [01/11/2016], but Mats Lewan is wrong in claiming that the patent that was issued to Rossi in 2015, was for the e-cat.

And even if it was for the e-cat – which it wasn’t – the statements published by Lewan in 2015 would clearly anticipate an invalidation

of the two 2015 patents issued to Rossi. Rossi has used patents as an integral part of ALL of his scams and fraud methodologies

starting with Petroldragon. For more on how Rossi has used patents in his scams please read these articles:

Read more

Rossi is a fraud and I dont think that the test run results will pass any independant and reputable scientific boards.

Andrea Rossi

Edited February 23, 2016 by toast

[Almeisan]

https://animpossibleinvention.com/2016/02/24/breaking-the-e-cat-has-been-replicated-hers-the-recipe/

[bmk1245]

https://animpossible...ers-the-recipe/

Rrright... Jack of all trades "successfully repeated" experiment... Reminds me of HHO crowd...