badeskov Posted June 3, 2011 #126 Share Posted June 3, 2011 good, thanks.... come and join me in the naked beauty of 'space'........ <snip> I'll come join you I know we butt heads once in a while on various topics, but that doesn't mean that I don't like you as a person. I'd love to take that ride with you Cheers, Badeskov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted June 3, 2011 #127 Share Posted June 3, 2011 [...] Also, do you have the coordinates of where that first pic was taken? [...] Arghhh.. head is a little bit heavy, but, hey, I'll give you approx. values 65 deg lat/331 deg lon (+/- 1 deg). Thats huge area, but if you have time, you can try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badeskov Posted June 3, 2011 #128 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Arghhh.. head is a little bit heavy, but, hey, I'll give you approx. values 65 deg lat/331 deg lon (+/- 1 deg). Thats huge area, but if you have time, you can try. Friday night, Vodka? Cheers, Badeskov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted June 3, 2011 #129 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Friday night, Vodka? Cheers, Badeskov Nope, nowadays vodka is only for exceptional occasions. Just freakishly tired and sipping beer, traditionally, in moderate amounts, cause weekend I'll spend in the lab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badeskov Posted June 3, 2011 #130 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Nope, nowadays vodka is only for exceptional occasions. Just freakishly tired and sipping beer, traditionally, in moderate amounts, cause weekend I'll spend in the lab. Oh boy, sounds eerily familiar. We have an $18M project onsite review mid June. Guess where I am spending my time Cheers, Badeskov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badeskov Posted June 3, 2011 #131 Share Posted June 3, 2011 <snip> I'm even getting these messages of how the "skeptics" lost respect for me, when I never noticed they had any to begin with! <snip> Actually I had respect for you. Why do you think I lost my respect for you? I figured it was pretty well laid out. Cheers, Badeskov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted June 3, 2011 #132 Share Posted June 3, 2011 And there is even such a thing as a "Mars Homestead Society". http://richardtrombly.wordpress.com/2011/02/01/mars-foundation-plans-to-homestead-mars/ Just don't end up looking like this: That link about the Mars Homestead Project is extremely interesting Thanks for that TheMcGuffin.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMcGuffin Posted June 3, 2011 #133 Share Posted June 3, 2011 TheMcGuffin, By all means of respect, but I thought you were better than this. Lets just say that my respect for your research abilities just dropped rather significantly! Sadly. In this statement here: You just stated that you have no intention whatsoever of researching anything that goes against your belief. And that is where you lose respect completely. Seriously, are you that ignorant or oblivious? Now, how hard is that to understand? I am not asking you to believe anything. You can know. If you actually want to. It is that simple and it doesn't even require very much. And if you are really that dubious, I am sure any physicist/image analyst at a University near you would be happy to spend 10 mins with you to look over a printout of this thread. I don't know when I ever said anything like that, but you can think what you want. Actually, I know the Mars Express can locate structures on the surface or under the surface, and takes color, IR and UV pictures, although someone on here was surprised that I found out about those. It has the following capabilities, although I am curious about how the older pictures were "modified" yesterday: Visible and Infrared Mineralogical Mapping Spectrometer (OMEGA)(Observatoire pour la Minéralogie, l'Eau, les Glaces et l'Activité) - France - Determines mineral composition of the surface up to 100 m resolution. Is mounted inside pointing out the top face.[8] Instrument mass: 28.6 kg[9] Ultraviolet and Infrared Atmospheric Spectrometer (SPICAM) - France - Assesses elemental composition of the atmosphere. Is mounted inside pointing out the top face. Instrument mass: 4.7 kg[9] Sub-Surface Sounding Radar Altimeter (MARSIS) - Italy - A radar altimeter used to assess composition of sub-surface aimed at search for frozen water. Is mounted in the body and is nadir pointing, and also incorporates the two 20 m antennas. Instrument mass: 13.7 kg[9] Planetary Fourier Spectrometer (PFS) - Italy - Makes observations of atmospheric temperature and pressure (observations suspended in September 2005). Is mounted inside pointing out the top face.,[10] currently working. Instrument mass: 30.8 kg[9] Analyzer of Space Plasmas and Energetic Atoms (ASPERA) - Sweden - Investigates interactions between upper atmosphere and solar wind. Is mounted on the top face. Instrument mass: 7.9 kg[9] High Resolution Stereo Camera (HRSC)- Germany - Produces color images with up to 2 m resolution. Is mounted inside the spacecraft body, aimed through the top face of the spacecraft, which is nadir pointing during Mars operations. Instrument mass: 20.4 kg[9] Mars Express Lander Communications (MELACOM) - UK - Allows Mars Express to act as a communication relay for landers on the Martian surface. (Has been tested with Mars Exploration Rovers, and was used to support the landing of NASA's Phoenix mission) Mars Radio Science Experiment (MaRS) - Uses radio signals to investigate atmosphere, surface, subsurface, gravity and solar corona density during solar conjunctions. It uses the communications subsystem itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonie2012 Posted June 3, 2011 #134 Share Posted June 3, 2011 (edited) I don't know when I ever said anything like that, but you can think what you want. Actually, I know the Mars Express can locate structures on the surface or under the surface, and takes color, IR and UV pictures, although someone on here was surprised that I found out about those. It has the following capabilities, although I am curious about how the older pictures were "modified" yesterday: *snip* What are you trying to accomplish posting a huge list of what it can do? None of that has any bearing in this case. Edited June 3, 2011 by Moonie2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMcGuffin Posted June 4, 2011 #135 Share Posted June 4, 2011 What are you trying to accomplish posting a huge list of what it can do? None of that has any bearing in this case. You know something, pal? You will get a lot further with me, if you just show a little politneness and common courtesy. As it stands, we are off to a very bad start, you and I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonie2012 Posted June 4, 2011 #136 Share Posted June 4, 2011 (edited) You know something, pal? You will get a lot further with me, if you just show a little politneness and common courtesy. As it stands, we are off to a very bad start, you and I. Sorry if it came off as rude, but that doesn't answer my question. It feels to me like you're purposely posting irrelevant things in order to confuse the subject at hand. Edited June 4, 2011 by Moonie2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1963 Posted June 4, 2011 #137 Share Posted June 4, 2011 (edited) What are you trying to accomplish posting a huge list of what it can do? None of that has any bearing in this case. Well...I was interested anyway!...Who are you anyway? to post that... MoonieMod? Anyway...I was just about to post my 2 cents worth about this latest 'supposed-anomaly'. And I was going to say that I was a reformed serial credence-giver to these kinds of finds! But after all of the previously believable pictures and video-links to these smoking-gun finds have been explained away satifactorily enough to sate my almost indomitable appetite to witness such a impressive and conceivable scenario,...I now concede that , such a 'fantastic notion' is Unlikely! Therefore, I find myself in the 'very-sceptical' camp on this video! Having No technical expertise in these matters...I will have to leave it to others to 'debunk' this camera-glitch or whatever it turns out to be... but I will say that there are a myriad of quite entertaining anomaly vids and pics populating the web, that should be enjoyed on the fiction and imagination level. I personally like this youtube video.... I no longer watch these things for confirmation of the ETH, but cannot fail to think .....what if...? Cheers. Edited June 4, 2011 by 1963 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonie2012 Posted June 4, 2011 #138 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Well...I was interested anyway!...Who are you anyway? to post that... MoonieMod? The question was not unfair or "moddy". If he's trying to prove something about the topic, I just want to know what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMcGuffin Posted June 4, 2011 #139 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Sorry if it came off as rude, but that doesn't answer my question. It feels to me like you're purposely posting irrelevant things in order to confuse the subject at hand. You're wrong about that, but it's true that everything you post to me comes across as rude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badeskov Posted June 4, 2011 #140 Share Posted June 4, 2011 I don't know when I ever said anything like that, but you can think what you want. Actually, I know the Mars Express can locate structures on the surface or under the surface, and takes color, IR and UV pictures, although someone on here was surprised that I found out about those. It has the following capabilities, although I am curious about how the older pictures were "modified" yesterday: Visible and Infrared Mineralogical Mapping Spectrometer (OMEGA)(Observatoire pour la Minéralogie, l'Eau, les Glaces et l'Activité) - France - Determines mineral composition of the surface up to 100 m resolution. Is mounted inside pointing out the top face.[8] Instrument mass: 28.6 kg[9] Ultraviolet and Infrared Atmospheric Spectrometer (SPICAM) - France - Assesses elemental composition of the atmosphere. Is mounted inside pointing out the top face. Instrument mass: 4.7 kg[9] Sub-Surface Sounding Radar Altimeter (MARSIS) - Italy - A radar altimeter used to assess composition of sub-surface aimed at search for frozen water. Is mounted in the body and is nadir pointing, and also incorporates the two 20 m antennas. Instrument mass: 13.7 kg[9] Planetary Fourier Spectrometer (PFS) - Italy - Makes observations of atmospheric temperature and pressure (observations suspended in September 2005). Is mounted inside pointing out the top face.,[10] currently working. Instrument mass: 30.8 kg[9] Analyzer of Space Plasmas and Energetic Atoms (ASPERA) - Sweden - Investigates interactions between upper atmosphere and solar wind. Is mounted on the top face. Instrument mass: 7.9 kg[9] High Resolution Stereo Camera (HRSC)- Germany - Produces color images with up to 2 m resolution. Is mounted inside the spacecraft body, aimed through the top face of the spacecraft, which is nadir pointing during Mars operations. Instrument mass: 20.4 kg[9] Mars Express Lander Communications (MELACOM) - UK - Allows Mars Express to act as a communication relay for landers on the Martian surface. (Has been tested with Mars Exploration Rovers, and was used to support the landing of NASA's Phoenix mission) Mars Radio Science Experiment (MaRS) - Uses radio signals to investigate atmosphere, surface, subsurface, gravity and solar corona density during solar conjunctions. It uses the communications subsystem itself. Frankly, that copy/paste from Google or whatever is really irrelevant and not pertinent to my comment at all. You posted this: Now, what they are saying could well be false--and I wouldn't be shocked if it was--but one would need to know a lot more about photography than I do to state conclusively that it is bogus. I'm just going by the past record when I voice such suspicions, though, for admittedly I'm no expert in this area. and that was what I replied to. Somebody willing to to research would look all the relevant information up before stating something as the aforementioned. And just now you come with the specs of the spacecraft that took the images in question, after somebody else took it upon himself to do the work the OP should have done? All the while you have been lambasting the skeptical people in this thread to be ever so skeptical? Frankly, you don't look good. In fact, you look pretty bad! Why didn't you find the imagery in question before Peri? Why didn't you search for other images? No, all you could do was complain when critical comments, which indeed turned out to be true, were posted. Good grief! Cheers, Badeskov Cheers, Badeskov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonie2012 Posted June 4, 2011 #141 Share Posted June 4, 2011 (edited) You're wrong about that, but it's true that everything you post to me comes across as rude. Instead of complaining about my posting style (I'll grant you that it sucks), perhaps you could clarify your post. That is, unless you can't. Edited June 4, 2011 by Moonie2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMcGuffin Posted June 4, 2011 #142 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Instead of complaining about my posting style, perhaps you could clarify your post. That is, unless you can't. I don't think I have anything more to say to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonie2012 Posted June 4, 2011 #143 Share Posted June 4, 2011 (edited) I don't think I have anything more to say to you. In other words - you CAN'T make your post meaningful to the topic at hand. I understand. I don't find it clever, meaningful, or relevant, but I understand. Edited June 4, 2011 by Moonie2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted June 4, 2011 #144 Share Posted June 4, 2011 The art of avoiding direct questions is once again displayed with extreme prowess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMcGuffin Posted June 4, 2011 #145 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Frankly, that copy/paste from Google or whatever is really irrelevant and not pertinent to my comment at all. You posted this: and that was what I replied to. Somebody willing to to research would look all the relevant information up before stating something as the aforementioned. And just now you come with the specs of the spacecraft that took the images in question, after somebody else took it upon himself to do the work the OP should have done? All the while you have been lambasting the skeptical people in this thread to be ever so skeptical? Frankly, you don't look good. In fact, you look pretty bad! Why didn't you find the imagery in question before Peri? Why didn't you search for other images? No, all you could do was complain when critical comments, which indeed turned out to be true, were posted. I saw all the pictures that he posted on here, before he posted them, although some people claimed they were only in black and white, which was false. I just showed that I was able to look at the color and IR pictures before they were posted on here, and in fact I'm the only one who posted links to all of those--not that you would ever give me credit for that. Well, what else should I have expected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMcGuffin Posted June 4, 2011 #146 Share Posted June 4, 2011 The art of avoiding direct questions is once again displayed with extreme prowess. Well, try asking nicely next time and you might get a nicer answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted June 4, 2011 #147 Share Posted June 4, 2011 I saw all the pictures that he posted on here, before he posted them, although some people claimed they were only in black and white, which was false. I just showed that I was able to look at the color and IR pictures before they were posted on here, and in fact I'm the only one who posted links to all of those--not that you would ever give me credit for that. Well, what else should I have expected? I don't suppose that you saw those from the link I posted eh? You probably found them on your own, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted June 4, 2011 #148 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Well, try asking nicely next time and you might get a nicer answer. I've been trying to be nice to you for a very long time. Quite frankly, you make it difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMcGuffin Posted June 4, 2011 #149 Share Posted June 4, 2011 I don't suppose that you saw those from the link I posted eh? You probably found them on your own, right? Yes, I did. They are all posted on the ATS website as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMcGuffin Posted June 4, 2011 #150 Share Posted June 4, 2011 The ATS discussion on this began on May 31st: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread711623/pg1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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