Mr.United_Nations Posted June 6, 2011 #26 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Hopefully the world will realise Israel's arrogance towards other nations really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted June 6, 2011 #27 Share Posted June 6, 2011 (edited) See this is the problem here folks. As long as the other side continue to view Israel's existence as illegal, and it's mere existence as justification for war against it, there will be no peace. You clearly and completely misrepresented what KRS has said here. It was a clear reference to Israel's existence in the Golon Heights. He said: "israel existence there is ILLEGAL", as you quoted, but before that he said specifically: "it's syrian land .. illegaly occupied .. end of the story". He was obviously talking about the Golon Heights. According to the UN, international law, and the international community, Israel's existence there (The Golon Heights) is illegal. The same UN, international law, and international community that declared Israel's existence (in its internationally recognised borders) is legal, it should be noted. Edited June 6, 2011 by expandmymind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Shadows Posted June 6, 2011 #28 Share Posted June 6, 2011 LMAO. "Me? I'm not anti-semitic. Some of my best friends are Jewish" seriously don't you get tired of using the anti-semtic card whenever you feel cornered or about to admit you're wrong ? this is truely pitiful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet74 Posted June 7, 2011 #29 Share Posted June 7, 2011 You clearly and completely misrepresented what KRS has said here. It was a clear reference to Israel's existence in the Golon Heights. He said: "israel existence there is ILLEGAL", as you quoted, but before that he said specifically: "it's syrian land .. illegaly occupied .. end of the story". He was obviously talking about the Golon Heights. According to the UN, international law, and the international community, Israel's existence there (The Golon Heights) is illegal. The same UN, international law, and international community that declared Israel's existence (in its internationally recognised borders) is legal, it should be noted. The land was given to Isreal by God. It clearly belongs to Isreal. What man or nation has the right to trump the authority of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelW Posted June 7, 2011 #30 Share Posted June 7, 2011 well both jordan and egypt had puppet goverments in hand of usa and israel but now egypt changed you see and the first thing they did was to open gaza borders .. and didn't agree on being part of the blockade .. see ? beside you recall that egypt goverment was selling gas to israel nearly free ? while syria buying it in global price ? surely that tells you something about previous egypt and jordan time will come also their people are arabs and one day they'll have enough you'll see last but not least neither jordan nor egypt got part of their lands occupied illegally by israel .. Do you have history classes in Syria? Or do they just teach you how evil the West is? I'm guessing the latter. Anyway, about that last statement. Israel occupied the Sinai between 1967 and 1973. After Yom Kippur, it was returned back to Egypt. However, the Gaza Strip, which was also occupied by Egypt prior to 1967 was annexed by Israel but not returned. Same goes for the West Bank with regards to Jordan. Go ahead, research it for yourself, if the Syrian government hasn't switched off the internet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted June 7, 2011 Author #31 Share Posted June 7, 2011 You clearly and completely misrepresented what KRS has said here. It was a clear reference to Israel's existence in the Golon Heights. He said: "israel existence there is ILLEGAL", as you quoted, but before that he said specifically: "it's syrian land .. illegaly occupied .. end of the story". He was obviously talking about the Golon Heights. According to the UN, international law, and the international community, Israel's existence there (The Golon Heights) is illegal. The same UN, international law, and international community that declared Israel's existence (in its internationally recognised borders) is legal, it should be noted. here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted June 7, 2011 Author #32 Share Posted June 7, 2011 The land was given to Isreal by God. It clearly belongs to Isreal. What man or nation has the right to trump the authority of God. your 'god' has no authority in International affairs.. sorry bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikl Posted June 7, 2011 #33 Share Posted June 7, 2011 ex, it is still valid international law that land acquired in a defensive war may be kept by the victim of aggression. Besides until 1988, Syria rejected that resolution 242. And also, the resolution says "territories occupied" - which means, not all the territory, but what will be agreed upon in a future negotiation. And as Michael said, when we gave the Sinai back to Egypt, we didn't return the Gaza Strip. If you actually calculate it, Israel returned 90% of the lands it acquired in it's defensive war. And last but not least - Israel gave full citizenship to all the inhabitants of the Golan Heights - they are equal Israeli citizens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socio Posted June 7, 2011 #34 Share Posted June 7, 2011 And in the mean time, there seem to be some Syrian people that are actually free and liberated: ANTI-ISRAEL RIOTERS PAID $1,000 EACH, SAYS REFORM PARTY OF SYRIA - $10,000 TO FAMILY IF KILLED 5 June 2011 Reform Party of Syria claims hundreds of demonstrators along Israeli-Syrian border were promised reward by Assad’s regime just for showing up, $10,000 to their families if killed by IDF fire If true then the Israel is not killing rioters they are defending themselves against invading agents of a foreign government which by the way is an act of war by the Syrians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Shadows Posted June 7, 2011 #35 Share Posted June 7, 2011 first of all those people were just p***ed of syrians of israel illegal existence in syrian lands .. that's right again illegal " second of all the operation room of that movement is carried out by civilians .. any one can go and take look there or join there's no profit neither money or anything like erik desperaetly and pathicly trying to prove with no proof it's opened for the public and there's nothing like that and michaelw you should read history without deciding already to be israel puppy and defender and taking sides forward as far am concerned your opinion does not matter israel gave sinia to egypt with " hippocrate " treaty that isolate sinia from egypt doesn't allow egypt to have any army there so israel can go and come as they please now let's see where else israel gave back ? lebanon ? nope they were kicked out by force by hezoallah and may i remind people here that israel and syria is offically at war and any act to regain Golan Heights by syrian people or goverment " Jusitifed " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikl Posted June 7, 2011 #36 Share Posted June 7, 2011 first of all those people were just p***ed of syrians of israel No. They were sent by a dying regime with the promise of $$$. and michaelw you should read history without deciding already to be israel puppy and defender and taking sides forward Actually Michael seem to know a lot more about mainstream, factual history than you do . israel gave sinia to egypt with " hippocrate " treaty that isolatesinia from egypt doesn't allow egypt to have any army there so israel can go and come as they please Sorry that we had bad memories of hundreds of thousands of Egyptian soldiers invading Israel in our previous war. Israel is a tiny, tiny country. Why would Egypt need to bring massive armed forces into Sinai but to direct them against Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted June 7, 2011 Author #37 Share Posted June 7, 2011 No. They were sent by a dying regime with the promise of $$$. hear-say... you cannot prove that.. unless concrete proof is provided it's just a rumor being passed off as fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikl Posted June 7, 2011 #38 Share Posted June 7, 2011 hear-say... you cannot prove that.. unless concrete proof is provided it's just a rumor being passed off as fact. Not only did you have Syrian sources saying so, it's also common logic when it comes to this kind of regime. Syria is a police state, and the border was quiet since 1973. People cannot just go there and tear down international border like they did in May 15th, 2011 (the photos I provided are from that date), and attempting to do so again few days ago. If you think so, you are naive and simple minded. This was allowed, organized and financed by the government, to divert the genocide and massacre of it's own citizens. Again the Israelis are used to blind the Arabs from their own molestation by their beloved dictators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.United_Nations Posted June 7, 2011 #39 Share Posted June 7, 2011 What Lies! Syria has its own problems nation wide, they cant be bothered to watch out for protesters in Israeli lands, who they think are armed gangs. Start blamming your own people for killing innocent Syrian protsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted June 7, 2011 Author #40 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Not only did you have Syrian sources saying so, it's also common logic when it comes to this kind of regime. Syria is a police state, and the border was quiet since 1973. People cannot just go there and tear down international border like they did in May 15th, 2011 (the photos I provided are from that date), and attempting to do so again few days ago. If you think so, you are naive and simple minded. This was allowed, organized and financed by the government, to divert the genocide and massacre of it's own citizens. Again the Israelis are used to blind the Arabs from their own molestation by their beloved dictators. I'm simple minded? This is the source you're passing off as fact: Reform Party of Syria http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_Party_of_SyriaThe Reform Party of Syria (Arabic: حزب الاصلاح السوري Hizb al-Islah al-Suriy), or RPS is a political party committed to democracy and reform in Syria. It is based in the United States because the present Syrian government does not allow opposition political parties to form without permission. The party is made up of Syrians living in America, Western Europe, and elsewhere. The party's leader, Farid Ghadry, was born in Aleppo, Syria and comes from a well-known Syrian family of civil servants and politicians. The RPS supported the candidacy of Nicolas Sarkozy in France's 2007 presidential election.[1] Actually, during the 2011 Syrian uprising the Reform Party of Syria, as a political party of the Syrian opposition in exile, is preparing a series of demonstrations and protests in cities of the Unites States and Western Europe ***** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Shadows Posted June 7, 2011 #41 Share Posted June 7, 2011 yes and let's not forget those borders erikl talking about is borders of syrian-syrian lands not syrian-israeli lands unless erikl consider Golan Heights ... are israelis lands ?! so once you live with the fact that Golan is syrian land ILLEGALY occupied by israel .. that give the right of syrian " people " to protest against it your accusations to the goverment based on fantasy and personal opinion which isn't worth anything to the public unless you prove it .. with " proof " they grow tiresome all in all .. Remember it's syrian land .. israel was commanded to leave Golan heights but instead israel decided to ignore the international laws .. like isarel so often do .. and stay in golan heights therefore their existence there is not Legal which gives the right to syrian people to all kinda of protest against it and lets face your hippocracy this isn't the first time it happens in every remembarance of the " Naksa " there was protests the different in this one syrian people crossed " israel fantasy " borders which serperate syrian lands from .. a syrian land that doesn't break any type of laws when both lands belong to syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp Posted June 7, 2011 #42 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Given the strategic importance of the Golan Heights I don't see Israel giving it up any time soon. It might not be fair, it might be illegal according to UN law, but that's the reality of the situation. Plus given Israel went a built a bunch of stupid settlements (let's move where people hate us!) just throws more mud into the mix. The only way Syria is going to get the Golan Heights back is through war (extremely unlikely) or agreeing to Israel's peace terms (almost as unlikely). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.United_Nations Posted June 7, 2011 #43 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Given the strategic importance of the Golan Heights I don't see Israel giving it up any time soon. It might not be fair, it might be illegal according to UN law, but that's the reality of the situation. Plus given Israel went a built a bunch of stupid settlements (let's move where people hate us!) just throws more mud into the mix. The only way Syria is going to get the Golan Heights back is through war (extremely unlikely) or agreeing to Israel's peace terms (almost as unlikely). Agreed but what I don't like is those properties are for the rich, while it should be spending money on peaceful talks and programes that would benefit everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelW Posted June 7, 2011 #44 Share Posted June 7, 2011 and michaelw you should read history without deciding already to be israel puppy and defender and taking sides forward as far am concerned your opinion does not matter israel gave sinia to egypt with " hippocrate " treaty that isolate sinia from egypt doesn't allow egypt to have any army there so israel can go and come as they please now let's see where else israel gave back ? lebanon ? nope they were kicked out by force by hezoallah and may i remind people here that israel and syria is offically at war and any act to regain Golan Heights by syrian people or goverment " Jusitifed " I wonder sometimes whether or not you acrtually know anything about the ME rather than just what your government told you. Ask any Jordanian and Egyptian and they could tell you exactly the same thing that I have said. I posted evidence which backed up your claims that Israel illegally occupied land taken from Syria, Egypt and Jordan. How dumb do you have to be to not see that? Re-read my post again. It's not hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelW Posted June 7, 2011 #45 Share Posted June 7, 2011 I'm simple minded? Quite. Syria is one of the worst human rights abusers in the Middle East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikl Posted June 7, 2011 #46 Share Posted June 7, 2011 OK I think order should be put here. You try too hard to twist reality guys, and you turn out just plain stupid. Regardless of the status of the Golan Heights, enemy citizens invading another country, or territory held by this country, is an act of war. This is according to every single law, and also common sense. It's not like the Syrians in the Golan Heights were revolting against an alleged Israeli occupation. It's citizens from an enemy country tearing down international borders, or cease fire borders, and entering into an enemy territory. Plain and simple. As for the Syrian regime - exactly because it's about to disappear and is cornered, it employs the old "bring Israel into the picture". Israel, as the only democracy in the middle east, has been and is used by dictators and tyrants as a tool to divert their own people from protesting and uprising against their oppression. This is a very known and simple, and even logic, tactic. You don't have to be a genius to read into this. I won't be surprised if the Syrian government will even start a war, just to kill the rebellion. So paying some poor citizens to throw themselves on enemy borders is well within the possibilities of this regime. Stop being apologetics to tyrants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Shadows Posted June 8, 2011 #47 Share Posted June 8, 2011 (edited) let's look at the other side of things erikil we got israel .. who existed by wiping out palestinians and ethnically cleaning them from their own country we've got israel occupying syrian lands " illegally " we've got israel previously occupied parts of egypt we've got israel previously occupied lebanon and " kicked out of their butt of lebanon " so ... what were you saying ? tyranny ? syria is not a colonial country .. israel is syria didn't kill people to settle their country .. israel did syria does not occupy other people lands .. israel does seriously .. what were you saying ? you should admit israel tryanny before accusing other nations of it as long you hippocratly use double standrads .. you won't ever think straight double standards : we can do it .. and they can it's right if we did it .. it's wrong if they did ---------- and for you michael it's not about human right abuse now i know i know you can't resist the temptaion of criticizing syria on every turn you can because syria does not tolrate the usa and israel terrorism in the area but at least try to keep your criticize on topic as for how legal the occupation of Golan Heights you clearly didn't do your home work it's simply " illegal " and nothing you can say can change that fact but keep your mouth runing if you like that so much but the fact remain firm the whole world see it .. and international laws admits it .. and requested israel withdraw from Golan Heights again .. like every action against israel whenever it breaks international laws and gets away with it .. " we've got usa to thank for that " they ignore those .. and gets away with it . but not for long you see syrian people are rising .. and i wouldn't be surprised if syrians rebel so bad that they'd kick israel military in Golan right back to the doors of jerusalem .. if not further Edited June 8, 2011 by Knight Of Shadows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Shadows Posted June 8, 2011 #48 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Given the strategic importance of the Golan Heights I don't see Israel giving it up any time soon. It might not be fair, it might be illegal according to UN law, but that's the reality of the situation. Plus given Israel went a built a bunch of stupid settlements (let's move where people hate us!) just throws more mud into the mix. The only way Syria is going to get the Golan Heights back is through war (extremely unlikely) or agreeing to Israel's peace terms (almost as unlikely). and it'll be the first guess israel terms are flawed they want to keep " part of golan heighs " the part that has water supply etc etc etc and no way syria will approve to that .. goverment or people and for peace talks .. israel does not want peace they've said they want to .. but their actions shows otherwise those syrian that has been killed on the borders will not go so easy their families .. friends .. and anyone who cares will go the borders .. again that's right am expecting another protest and it's not so impossiable to win golan heights by war as you say man remember lebanon ? am sure you know that hezboallah kick israel out of lebanon " the really hard way " israel is not as powerful as it claims not seen lebanon war ? small milita " again " called hezboallah have prevented israel from getting into lebanon in previous war results : israel failure both in stopping hezboallah attacks or into going into lebanon they only went in to the battle ground hezboallah have set for them to many military personlites retired out of israel army and yeah so on and so on there might be a war coming soon it's hard to tell but hostility rising in the air like fire crackers we wouldn't want war .. but maybe it's the only way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelW Posted June 8, 2011 #49 Share Posted June 8, 2011 and for you michael it's not about human right abuse now i know i know you can't resist the temptaion of criticizing syria on every turn you can because syria does not tolrate the usa and israel terrorism in the area but at least try to keep your criticize on topic as for how legal the occupation of Golan Heights you clearly didn't do your home work it's simply " illegal " and nothing you can say can change that fact but keep your mouth runing if you like that so much but the fact remain firm the whole world see it .. and international laws admits it .. and requested israel withdraw from Golan Heights again .. like every action against israel whenever it breaks international laws and gets away with it .. " we've got usa to thank for that " they ignore those .. and gets away with it . but not for long you see syrian people are rising .. and i wouldn't be surprised if syrians rebel so bad that they'd kick israel military in Golan right back to the doors of jerusalem .. if not further I did say it wasn't legal. I pointed out that there are better ways of protesting that simply charging armed border guards. Which is stupidity. And then you ranted on about how th Golan Heights were Palestinian and I pointed out they weren't. Then you said that Syria was the only country that had lost territory in the 1967 war and I pointed out that you hadn't and then you launched on yet another mindless rant about how Egypt and Jordan were puppet states. Honestly, Knight. Have you actually been keeping up with the argument? Because it appears you haven't. I've never said it was legal and yet you assumed it. And, I criticize Syria not because of what it thinks about the US but because you are ruled by a nutcase dictator who has no qalms about torturing children and shooting his own people. And another thing. I wouldn't be so confident about fighting Israel in a war. Syria has lost nearly every single direct conflict it had with Israel. And I don't think Syria has the military capacity to launch an offensive against Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.United_Nations Posted June 8, 2011 #50 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I did say it wasn't legal. I pointed out that there are better ways of protesting that simply charging armed border guards. Which is stupidity. And then you ranted on about how th Golan Heights were Palestinian and I pointed out they weren't. Then you said that Syria was the only country that had lost territory in the 1967 war and I pointed out that you hadn't and then you launched on yet another mindless rant about how Egypt and Jordan were puppet states. Honestly, Knight. Have you actually been keeping up with the argument? Because it appears you haven't. I've never said it was legal and yet you assumed it. And, I criticize Syria not because of what it thinks about the US but because you are ruled by a nutcase dictator who has no qalms about torturing children and shooting his own people. And another thing. I wouldn't be so confident about fighting Israel in a war. Syria has lost nearly every single direct conflict it had with Israel. And I don't think Syria has the military capacity to launch an offensive against Israel. So you think its right to allow Israeli troops to kill children of Syrain an Palestine backgrounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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