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Israeli forces kill 13 protesters 225 wounded

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Mr.United_Nations

Hopefully the world will realise Israel's arrogance towards other nations really is.

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ExpandMyMind
See this is the problem here folks. As long as the other side continue to view Israel's existence as illegal, and it's mere existence as justification for war against it, there will be no peace.

You clearly and completely misrepresented what KRS has said here. It was a clear reference to Israel's existence in the Golon Heights. He said: "israel existence there is ILLEGAL", as you quoted, but before that he said specifically: "it's syrian land .. illegaly occupied .. end of the story". He was obviously talking about the Golon Heights.

According to the UN, international law, and the international community, Israel's existence there (The Golon Heights) is illegal. The same UN, international law, and international community that declared Israel's existence (in its internationally recognised borders) is legal, it should be noted.

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Knight Of Shadows

LMAO. "Me? I'm not anti-semitic. Some of my best friends are Jewish" :rolleyes:

seriously don't you get tired of using the anti-semtic card

whenever you feel cornered or about to admit you're wrong ?

this is truely pitiful

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You clearly and completely misrepresented what KRS has said here. It was a clear reference to Israel's existence in the Golon Heights. He said: "israel existence there is ILLEGAL", as you quoted, but before that he said specifically: "it's syrian land .. illegaly occupied .. end of the story". He was obviously talking about the Golon Heights.

According to the UN, international law, and the international community, Israel's existence there (The Golon Heights) is illegal. The same UN, international law, and international community that declared Israel's existence (in its internationally recognised borders) is legal, it should be noted.

The land was given to Isreal by God. It clearly belongs to Isreal. What man or nation has the right to trump the authority of God.

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MichaelW

well both jordan and egypt had puppet goverments in hand of usa and israel

but now egypt changed you see and the first thing they did was to open

gaza borders .. and didn't agree on being part of the blockade .. see ?

beside you recall that egypt goverment was selling gas to israel

nearly free ? while syria buying it in global price ?

surely that tells you something about previous egypt

and jordan time will come also their people are arabs

and one day they'll have enough you'll see ;)

last but not least neither jordan nor egypt got part of their lands

occupied illegally by israel ..

Do you have history classes in Syria? Or do they just teach you how evil the West is? I'm guessing the latter.

Anyway, about that last statement. Israel occupied the Sinai between 1967 and 1973. After Yom Kippur, it was returned back to Egypt. However, the Gaza Strip, which was also occupied by Egypt prior to 1967 was annexed by Israel but not returned. Same goes for the West Bank with regards to Jordan. Go ahead, research it for yourself, if the Syrian government hasn't switched off the internet again.

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President-Elect Acidhead

You clearly and completely misrepresented what KRS has said here. It was a clear reference to Israel's existence in the Golon Heights. He said: "israel existence there is ILLEGAL", as you quoted, but before that he said specifically: "it's syrian land .. illegaly occupied .. end of the story". He was obviously talking about the Golon Heights.

According to the UN, international law, and the international community, Israel's existence there (The Golon Heights) is illegal. The same UN, international law, and international community that declared Israel's existence (in its internationally recognised borders) is legal, it should be noted.

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President-Elect Acidhead

The land was given to Isreal by God. It clearly belongs to Isreal. What man or nation has the right to trump the authority of God.

your 'god' has no authority in International affairs.. sorry bud.

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Erikl

ex, it is still valid international law that land acquired in a defensive war may be kept by the victim of aggression.

Besides until 1988, Syria rejected that resolution 242.

And also, the resolution says "territories occupied" - which means, not all the territory, but what will be agreed upon in a future negotiation. And as Michael said, when we gave the Sinai back to Egypt, we didn't return the Gaza Strip.

If you actually calculate it, Israel returned 90% of the lands it acquired in it's defensive war.

And last but not least - Israel gave full citizenship to all the inhabitants of the Golan Heights - they are equal Israeli citizens.

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And in the mean time, there seem to be some Syrian people that are actually free and liberated:

ANTI-ISRAEL RIOTERS PAID $1,000 EACH, SAYS REFORM PARTY OF SYRIA - $10,000 TO FAMILY IF KILLED

5 June 2011

Reform Party of Syria claims hundreds of demonstrators along Israeli-Syrian border were promised reward by Assad’s regime

just for showing up, $10,000 to their families if killed by IDF fire

If true then the Israel is not killing rioters they are defending themselves against invading agents of a foreign government which by the way is an act of war by the Syrians.

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Knight Of Shadows

first of all those people were just p***ed of syrians of israel

illegal existence in syrian lands .. that's right again illegal "

second of all the operation room of that movement is carried out

by civilians .. any one can go and take look there or join

there's no profit neither money or anything

like erik desperaetly and pathicly trying to prove with no proof

it's opened for the public and there's nothing like that

and michaelw you should read history without deciding already to be

israel puppy and defender and taking sides forward :D

as far am concerned your opinion does not matter

israel gave sinia to egypt with " hippocrate " treaty that isolate

sinia from egypt doesn't allow egypt to have any army there

so israel can go and come as they please

now let's see where else israel gave back ? lebanon ?

nope they were kicked out by force by hezoallah

and may i remind people here that israel and syria is offically at war

and any act to regain Golan Heights by syrian people or goverment

" Jusitifed "

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Erikl
first of all those people were just p***ed of syrians of israel

No. They were sent by a dying regime with the promise of $$$.

and michaelw you should read history without deciding already to be

israel puppy and defender and taking sides forward

Actually Michael seem to know a lot more about mainstream, factual history than you do :tu:.

israel gave sinia to egypt with " hippocrate " treaty that isolate

sinia from egypt doesn't allow egypt to have any army there

so israel can go and come as they please

Sorry that we had bad memories of hundreds of thousands of Egyptian soldiers invading Israel in our previous war.

Israel is a tiny, tiny country. Why would Egypt need to bring massive armed forces into Sinai but to direct them against Israel.

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President-Elect Acidhead

No. They were sent by a dying regime with the promise of $$$.

hear-say... you cannot prove that.. unless concrete proof is provided it's just a rumor being passed off as fact.

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Erikl

hear-say... you cannot prove that.. unless concrete proof is provided it's just a rumor being passed off as fact.

Not only did you have Syrian sources saying so, it's also common logic when it comes to this kind of regime.

Syria is a police state, and the border was quiet since 1973. People cannot just go there and tear down international border like they did in May 15th, 2011 (the photos I provided are from that date), and attempting to do so again few days ago.

If you think so, you are naive and simple minded.

This was allowed, organized and financed by the government, to divert the genocide and massacre of it's own citizens.

Again the Israelis are used to blind the Arabs from their own molestation by their beloved dictators.

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Mr.United_Nations

What Lies! Syria has its own problems nation wide, they cant be bothered to watch out for protesters in Israeli lands, who they think are armed gangs. Start blamming your own people for killing innocent Syrian protsters.

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President-Elect Acidhead

Not only did you have Syrian sources saying so, it's also common logic when it comes to this kind of regime.

Syria is a police state, and the border was quiet since 1973. People cannot just go there and tear down international border like they did in May 15th, 2011 (the photos I provided are from that date), and attempting to do so again few days ago.

If you think so, you are naive and simple minded.

This was allowed, organized and financed by the government, to divert the genocide and massacre of it's own citizens.

Again the Israelis are used to blind the Arabs from their own molestation by their beloved dictators.

I'm simple minded?

This is the source you're passing off as fact:

Reform Party of Syria http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_Party_of_Syria

The Reform Party of Syria (Arabic: حزب الاصلاح السوري Hizb al-Islah al-Suriy), or RPS is a political party committed to democracy and reform in Syria. It is based in the United States because the present Syrian government does not allow opposition political parties to form without permission. The party is made up of Syrians living in America, Western Europe, and elsewhere. The party's leader, Farid Ghadry, was born in Aleppo, Syria and comes from a well-known Syrian family of civil servants and politicians.

The RPS supported the candidacy of Nicolas Sarkozy in France's 2007 presidential election.[1]

Actually, during the 2011 Syrian uprising the Reform Party of Syria, as a political party of the Syrian opposition in exile, is preparing a series of demonstrations and protests in cities of the Unites States and Western Europe

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Knight Of Shadows

yes and let's not forget those borders erikl talking about is

borders of syrian-syrian lands not syrian-israeli lands

unless erikl consider Golan Heights ... are israelis lands ?!

so once you live with the fact that Golan is syrian land

ILLEGALY occupied by israel .. that give the right of syrian " people "

to protest against it

your accusations to the goverment based on fantasy and personal opinion

which isn't worth anything to the public

unless you prove it .. with " proof " they grow tiresome

all in all .. Remember it's syrian land .. israel was commanded

to leave Golan heights but instead israel decided to ignore the international

laws .. like isarel so often do .. and stay in golan heights

therefore their existence there is not Legal

which gives the right to syrian people to all kinda of protest against it

and lets face your hippocracy this isn't the first time it happens

in every remembarance of the " Naksa " there was protests

the different in this one syrian people crossed " israel fantasy "

borders which serperate syrian lands from .. a syrian land

that doesn't break any type of laws when both lands belong to syria

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Given the strategic importance of the Golan Heights I don't see Israel giving it up any time soon. It might not be fair, it might be illegal according to UN law, but that's the reality of the situation. Plus given Israel went a built a bunch of stupid settlements (let's move where people hate us!) just throws more mud into the mix. The only way Syria is going to get the Golan Heights back is through war (extremely unlikely) or agreeing to Israel's peace terms (almost as unlikely).

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Mr.United_Nations

Given the strategic importance of the Golan Heights I don't see Israel giving it up any time soon. It might not be fair, it might be illegal according to UN law, but that's the reality of the situation. Plus given Israel went a built a bunch of stupid settlements (let's move where people hate us!) just throws more mud into the mix. The only way Syria is going to get the Golan Heights back is through war (extremely unlikely) or agreeing to Israel's peace terms (almost as unlikely).

Agreed but what I don't like is those properties are for the rich, while it should be spending money on peaceful talks and programes that would benefit everyone.

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MichaelW

and michaelw you should read history without deciding already to be

israel puppy and defender and taking sides forward :D

as far am concerned your opinion does not matter

israel gave sinia to egypt with " hippocrate " treaty that isolate

sinia from egypt doesn't allow egypt to have any army there

so israel can go and come as they please

now let's see where else israel gave back ? lebanon ?

nope they were kicked out by force by hezoallah

and may i remind people here that israel and syria is offically at war

and any act to regain Golan Heights by syrian people or goverment

" Jusitifed "

I wonder sometimes whether or not you acrtually know anything about the ME rather than just what your government told you. Ask any Jordanian and Egyptian and they could tell you exactly the same thing that I have said.

I posted evidence which backed up your claims that Israel illegally occupied land taken from Syria, Egypt and Jordan. How dumb do you have to be to not see that? Re-read my post again. It's not hard.

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MichaelW

I'm simple minded?

Quite. Syria is one of the worst human rights abusers in the Middle East.

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Erikl

OK I think order should be put here.

You try too hard to twist reality guys, and you turn out just plain stupid.

Regardless of the status of the Golan Heights, enemy citizens invading another country, or territory held by this country, is an act of war.

This is according to every single law, and also common sense.

It's not like the Syrians in the Golan Heights were revolting against an alleged Israeli occupation. It's citizens from an enemy country tearing down international borders, or cease fire borders, and entering into an enemy territory. Plain and simple.

As for the Syrian regime - exactly because it's about to disappear and is cornered, it employs the old "bring Israel into the picture". Israel, as the only democracy in the middle east, has been and is used by dictators and tyrants as a tool to divert their own people from protesting and uprising against their oppression. This is a very known and simple, and even logic, tactic. You don't have to be a genius to read into this.

I won't be surprised if the Syrian government will even start a war, just to kill the rebellion.

So paying some poor citizens to throw themselves on enemy borders is well within the possibilities of this regime.

Stop being apologetics to tyrants.

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Knight Of Shadows

let's look at the other side of things erikil

we got israel .. who existed by wiping out palestinians

and ethnically cleaning them from their own country

we've got israel occupying syrian lands " illegally "

we've got israel previously occupied parts of egypt

we've got israel previously occupied lebanon

and " kicked out of their butt of lebanon "

so ... what were you saying ? tyranny ?

syria is not a colonial country .. israel is

syria didn't kill people to settle their country .. israel did

syria does not occupy other people lands .. israel does

seriously .. what were you saying ? :D

you should admit israel tryanny before accusing other nations of it

as long you hippocratly use double standrads .. you won't ever think straight

double standards : we can do it .. and they can

it's right if we did it .. it's wrong if they did

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and for you michael it's not about human right abuse

now i know i know you can't resist the temptaion of criticizing

syria on every turn you can because syria does not tolrate

the usa and israel terrorism in the area but at least try to keep

your criticize on topic

as for how legal the occupation of Golan Heights

you clearly didn't do your home work

it's simply " illegal " and nothing you can say can change that fact

but keep your mouth runing if you like that so much

but the fact remain firm the whole world see it .. and international laws

admits it .. and requested israel withdraw from Golan Heights

again .. like every action against israel whenever it breaks international

laws and gets away with it .. " we've got usa to thank for that "

they ignore those .. and gets away with it . but not for long

you see syrian people are rising .. and i wouldn't be surprised

if syrians rebel so bad that they'd kick israel military in Golan

right back to the doors of jerusalem .. if not further

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Given the strategic importance of the Golan Heights I don't see Israel giving it up any time soon. It might not be fair, it might be illegal according to UN law, but that's the reality of the situation. Plus given Israel went a built a bunch of stupid settlements (let's move where people hate us!) just throws more mud into the mix. The only way Syria is going to get the Golan Heights back is through war (extremely unlikely) or agreeing to Israel's peace terms (almost as unlikely).

and it'll be the first guess

israel terms are flawed they want to keep " part of golan heighs "

the part that has water supply etc etc etc

and no way syria will approve to that .. goverment or people

and for peace talks .. israel does not want peace

they've said they want to .. but their actions shows otherwise

those syrian that has been killed on the borders will not go so easy

their families .. friends .. and anyone who cares will go the borders .. again

that's right am expecting another protest

and it's not so impossiable to win golan heights by war as you say man

remember lebanon ?

am sure you know that hezboallah kick israel out of lebanon

" the really hard way "

israel is not as powerful as it claims

not seen lebanon war ? small milita " again " called hezboallah

have prevented israel from getting into lebanon in previous war

results : israel failure both in stopping hezboallah attacks

or into going into lebanon they only went in to the battle ground

hezboallah have set for them to

many military personlites retired out of israel army

and yeah so on and so on

there might be a war coming soon it's hard to tell

but hostility rising in the air like fire crackers

we wouldn't want war .. but maybe it's the only way

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MichaelW

and for you michael it's not about human right abuse

now i know i know you can't resist the temptaion of criticizing

syria on every turn you can because syria does not tolrate

the usa and israel terrorism in the area but at least try to keep

your criticize on topic

as for how legal the occupation of Golan Heights

you clearly didn't do your home work

it's simply " illegal " and nothing you can say can change that fact

but keep your mouth runing if you like that so much

but the fact remain firm the whole world see it .. and international laws

admits it .. and requested israel withdraw from Golan Heights

again .. like every action against israel whenever it breaks international

laws and gets away with it .. " we've got usa to thank for that "

they ignore those .. and gets away with it . but not for long

you see syrian people are rising .. and i wouldn't be surprised

if syrians rebel so bad that they'd kick israel military in Golan

right back to the doors of jerusalem .. if not further

I did say it wasn't legal. I pointed out that there are better ways of protesting that simply charging armed border guards. Which is stupidity. And then you ranted on about how th Golan Heights were Palestinian and I pointed out they weren't. Then you said that Syria was the only country that had lost territory in the 1967 war and I pointed out that you hadn't and then you launched on yet another mindless rant about how Egypt and Jordan were puppet states.

Honestly, Knight. Have you actually been keeping up with the argument? Because it appears you haven't. I've never said it was legal and yet you assumed it. And, I criticize Syria not because of what it thinks about the US but because you are ruled by a nutcase dictator who has no qalms about torturing children and shooting his own people.

And another thing. I wouldn't be so confident about fighting Israel in a war. Syria has lost nearly every single direct conflict it had with Israel. And I don't think Syria has the military capacity to launch an offensive against Israel.

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Mr.United_Nations

I did say it wasn't legal. I pointed out that there are better ways of protesting that simply charging armed border guards. Which is stupidity. And then you ranted on about how th Golan Heights were Palestinian and I pointed out they weren't. Then you said that Syria was the only country that had lost territory in the 1967 war and I pointed out that you hadn't and then you launched on yet another mindless rant about how Egypt and Jordan were puppet states.

Honestly, Knight. Have you actually been keeping up with the argument? Because it appears you haven't. I've never said it was legal and yet you assumed it. And, I criticize Syria not because of what it thinks about the US but because you are ruled by a nutcase dictator who has no qalms about torturing children and shooting his own people.

And another thing. I wouldn't be so confident about fighting Israel in a war. Syria has lost nearly every single direct conflict it had with Israel. And I don't think Syria has the military capacity to launch an offensive against Israel.

So you think its right to allow Israeli troops to kill children of Syrain an Palestine backgrounds?

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