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Of course that should read..... 'not really we p*** away most of our hard earned tax supporting the public sector'

By A.N. Other re- the recent strike by public sector workers :-

Today, of course, saw the bloated “public sector” finally hit the streets after 13 years of gorging on money borrowed and stolen from future generations. An army of Lesbian Outreach Diversity facilitators and Nail Extension and Spray Tan Lecturers blubbered that it wasn’t fair that just because their Fabian masters gave all the money to the banks they might have to live on a smaller pension. Like the private sector does. They have my full sympathy, of course.

“But the only reason you can read this is because a state teacher taught you how”, was the battle cry. b******s to that. The Telegraph points out that 1.7 MILLION children in the UK are now “defined” as having “special needs”. 1 in 5 of our children is classified as a mong by the very people who get paid YOUR money to teach mongs (except they are on strike today, for not getting enough of your money to retire on to Tuscany).

I’m not a great fan of the State educating ANY child. I certainly do not believe it represents good value when the exam system throws out millions of shuffling idiots incapable of finding gainful employment but gleefully clutching a “certificate of welfare entitlement”, so an army of yet more Fabian “specialists” can be employed to counsel the little darlings when their anger management techniques, taught aged 5, cannot cope with being skint, stupid and futureless.

I have six children. I sat with them, read with them, worked with them, encouraged them, imparted wisdom on them, nurtured their intellects, fed their ambitions, opened their minds, instructed them in life, all its failures and successes. I conversed with them, poured over dictionaries with them, pointed and showed them the world around them, explained their rights and their responsibilities to them. I cared for them because I am their father, it is my job.

If the State wants to assume all of the above, then 500,000 Fabians are the very WORST people to do it. All they have been taught is dependency, entitlement, compliancy, uniformity and slavery, the very WORST education a child can receive.

My children deserved better. So I made sure they received it. They thrived in spite of the State, something we all need to learn. But don’t expect to be taught it by anyone employed by the State.

lol the news of the world is going to be a big lose to you isnt it,the public sector is what it says it is .it has never preteded to be the best value for money or the thrifiest but they provide a service to the people of the united kingdom .police ,prisons ,teachers ,nurses ,doctors ,road sweaps, social workes, soldiers ,bin men lets privatise them all let them all work till they are 70 wait

until you are chokomg on your own puke and a 70 year old paramedic cant prop you up to save you. wait till a local prison burns to the ground and the prisoners are running wild in your neibourhood because the staff are all in there 60 S and cant control them .yea let the market forces sort them out .

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if we need to survive we need to be in europe? what a load of rubbish. why do people suffer with this fear and silly notion that if we are NOT part of europe we'll sink into the abyss.

instead of doubting ourselves its about time we stood up and said we can do it. and then go on and do it.

look at it from the point of view. Break away from europe do our own thing, make the country more attractive to business. manufacturing for example the Tory party have already started the process. our manufacturing sector is growing faster than any other country in europe BBCwith businesses investing more. look at the car industry Jaguar - Land Rover, producing Jaguar, Range Rover and Land rover vehicles. Nissan just agreed to produce its new model up in the north east Sunderland. then we have BMW also building the new mini over here. then we have the Chinese building a new car at the MG Rover midlands plant. Vauxhall investing in its ellesmere port plant. Cunard the ocean liners - planning to build their next two liners here. the list goes on and on.

Their not investing here because we use the Euro. there not investing here because the UK is logistically better placed than on mainland europe. so why are they investing here. - like any business they'll go to where the conditions favour their profits. but balanced by quality workmanship.

the point is we have all the b****ing about paying public sector workers when we should be b****ing about why the tax payer has to support private industry through paying tax credits because private companys will not pay a living wage to there workforce.

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The combined EU population is quite large and unlike China we are all already industrialised and advanced.

Our combined GDP is larger than the US's and are combined military forces outnumber Chinas.

yes, but for heavens' sake, can you ever imagine being able to motivate them all to work together? Unless of course they use that old faithful standby, "pulling together against a common foe", which is why I said above I think I'd, rather opt for neutrality thank you in your next Global Superpower Confrontation.

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yes, but for heavens' sake, can you ever imagine being able to motivate them all to work together? Unless of course they use that old faithful standby, "pulling together against a common foe", which is why I said above I think I'd, rather opt for neutrality thank you in your next Global Superpower Confrontation.

European nationalism doesnt currently exist.

I bet you if a Hitler took the reigns and told everybody he was going to make the EU the greatest nation in history all the peoples would love him as they did Hitler.

The question isnt if but when. Every century has produced its megalomaniacs from Napoleon to Hitler. If the EU is here when he comes to power I bet you the EU will make him the leader.

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the point is we have all the b****ing about paying public sector workers when we should be b****ing about why the tax payer has to support private industry through paying tax credits because private companys will not pay a living wage to there workforce.

the public sector would have been fine if their pension contributions would have been put in the pensions pot and left there - untouched. but the stupid **** government decided to dip in and use the pension money for other government projects. :o

has for the tax credits it would be simpler just to tax people less, instead of paying tax credits. but then again not everyone who is entitled to tax credits applies for it. so the government saves money. just out of interest what amount do you consider as a living?

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The combined EU population is quite large and unlike China we are all already industrialised and advanced.

Our combined GDP is larger than the US's and are combined military forces outnumber Chinas.

i remember reading on eurostat that in 2060 just 6% of the worlds population will live in the EU but as a work force only 3% compared with China at 14%. the way to solve this problem according to the EU is to expand the union and encourage mass immigration. we already witness this, it was only last year the EU discussed expanding to accept north African countries.

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the public sector would have been fine if their pension contributions would have been put in the pensions pot and left there - untouched. but the stupid **** government decided to dip in and use the pension money for other government projects. :o

has for the tax credits it would be simpler just to tax people less, instead of paying tax credits. but then again not everyone who is entitled to tax credits applies for it. so the government saves money. just out of interest what amount do you consider as a living?

It would be simpler if Corporations paid a living wage. Britain is a low wage economy.

Br Cornelius

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i remember reading on eurostat that in 2060 just 6% of the worlds population will live in the EU but as a work force only 3% compared with China at 14%. the way to solve this problem according to the EU is to expand the union and encourage mass immigration. we already witness this, it was only last year the EU discussed expanding to accept north African countries.

Within the EU there is movement between countries which is not quite the same as mass immigration.

Br Cornelius

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It would be simpler if Corporations paid a living wage. Britain is a low wage economy.Br Cornelius

What do you consider to be a living wage?

Within the EU there is movement between countries which is not quite the same as mass immigration.Br Cornelius

mass immigration from outside the EU. never mind mass immigration or as you like to phrase it between countries. :rofl:

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What do you consider to be a living wage?

mass immigration from outside the EU. never mind mass immigration or as you like to phrase it between countries. :rofl:

If there is mass immigration into Britain it is because the the British Government was lobbied by the Federation of British industry to allow it in order to keep wages low. The majority of British immigration has come from the Indian subcontinent which has nothing to do with the EU.

I was born and raised in England and the largest proportion of the population earn less than £15,000 which will not allow them to even buy a starter home at over £170,000. That is not a living wage.

Br Cornelius

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If there is mass immigration into Britain it is because the the British Government was lobbied by the Federation of British industry to allow it in order to keep wages low. The majority of British immigration has come from the Indian subcontinent which has nothing to do with the EU.

I was born and raised in England and the largest proportion of the population earn less than £15,000 which will not allow them to even buy a starter home at over £170,000. That is not a living wage.

Br Cornelius

our western economies are run on population growth. population growth = economic growth. so immigration isn't going to stop any time soon. its a system which will fail due to the fact, there wont be enough workers contributing to the system in order to help pay for the retired, - pensions.

according to official figures, £24,000 is the average wage. but even i know these figures dont reflect reality. i believe its more common in europe to rent instead of buying. maybe that's a way forward?

how we move forward is a challenge, we have economic crisis, aging population and securing new energy resources. how the hell its going to pan out is beyond me. :tu:

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our western economies are run on population growth. population growth = economic growth. so immigration isn't going to stop any time soon. its a system which will fail due to the fact, there wont be enough workers contributing to the system in order to help pay for the retired, - pensions.

according to official figures, £24,000 is the average wage. but even i know these figures dont reflect reality. i believe its more common in europe to rent instead of buying. maybe that's a way forward?

how we move forward is a challenge, we have economic crisis, aging population and securing new energy resources. how the hell its going to pan out is beyond me. :tu:

Most people are on £10,000 the £24,000 is a distortion because if you earn £3,000,000 a year you get included in the figures too.

The causes of mass immigration are more sinister in the UK. Its an attempt by the Liberals to prevent right-wing politics ever returning. Notice how they dont tell you 500,000 ethnic Brits have been leaving the country year after year for Canada, New Zealand and Austrailia. If 500,000 people were leaving Iran every year we'd say there was a problem.

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Most people are on £10,000 the £24,000 is a distortion because if you earn £3,000,000 a year you get included in the figures too.

The causes of mass immigration are more sinister in the UK. Its an attempt by the Liberals to prevent right-wing politics ever returning. Notice how they dont tell you 500,000 ethnic Brits have been leaving the country year after year for Canada, New Zealand and Austrailia. If 500,000 people were leaving Iran every year we'd say there was a problem.

yes good points. agree with the lot.

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The overall point of this is that almost all of Britains problems are self created and cannot in any way be blamed on the EU.

The EU is the right wings straw man whipping boy to hide the fact that they have been the dominant policy drivers for the last 30yrs and it has led Britain down a path of disaster (and before you complain about New Labour - Tory light).

It favours industry to have depressed wages and as a consequence loose immigration controls have been the norm.

Br Cornelius

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I do not really believe that there is a serious labour crisis in Britain at the moment. There are literally millions of able and willing workers available in the age range 40-65 who will never work again because of age discrimination within industry. Address this and many of the issues would go away. Maybe its that low wage mentality which is a block to employing productive middle ages people ??

If the UK has a systemic demographic issue then it seems to me that it should be addressed head on and turned into an asset rather than a drain on the system.

Br Cornelius

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I do not really believe that there is a serious labour crisis in Britain at the moment. There are literally millions of able and willing workers available in the age range 40-65 who will never work again because of age discrimination within industry. Address this and many of the issues would go away. Maybe its that low wage mentality which is a block to employing productive middle ages people ??

If the UK has a systemic demographic issue then it seems to me that it should be addressed head on and turned into an asset rather than a drain on the system.

Br Cornelius

Not so long ago we had an article showing that the labor office was willing to help Britons to relocate to other parts of the country where they are needed. The willingness to relocate was so diminute that the hired most of the needed people in Poland.

That story has many facets, and most have something to do more with unwillingness than with wrong policies. People cannot expect work come to where they are but must go where the work is.

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lol the news of the world is going to be a big lose to you isnt it,the public sector is what it says it is .it has never preteded to be the best value for money or the thrifiest but they provide a service to the people of the united kingdom .police ,prisons ,teachers ,nurses ,doctors ,road sweaps, social workes, soldiers ,bin men lets privatise them all let them all work till they are 70 wait

until you are chokomg on your own puke and a 70 year old paramedic cant prop you up to save you. wait till a local prison burns to the ground and the prisoners are running wild in your neibourhood because the staff are all in there 60 S and cant control them .yea let the market forces sort them out .

Ah you must work in the public sector. The other week the civil servants & council workers went on strike..........& nobody noticed.

"Last year it emerged teachers’ unions were winning millions of pounds a year – much of it funded by taxpayers – for injured and sacked teachers.

Payouts in 2009 reached more than £20million and included £173,595 for a teacher who dislocated an ankle during playground duty and another given £80,000 for slipping on a patch of mud.

Another teacher was awarded £150,000 after losing her voice trying to make herself heard in the classroom.

Meanwhile, the cost of settling negligence claims in the NHS has soared to £15billion a year."

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/220770

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Not so long ago we had an article showing that the labor office was willing to help Britons to relocate to other parts of the country where they are needed. The willingness to relocate was so diminute that the hired most of the needed people in Poland.

That story has many facets, and most have something to do more with unwillingness than with wrong policies. People cannot expect work come to where they are but must go where the work is.

Though I agree to some degree, the constant movement of people around the country destroys community cohesion and leads to many social problems. There are large areas of Britain devoid of industry and then large areas which are so overcrowded that it brings its own raft of social problems. This was at least partly a byproduct of the clash of Labour and Margaret Thatcher and her systematic running down of the industrial heartland of the country in order to break the power of the Unions. A necessary process to some degree as the Unions were destroying the country in the 70's, but the consequences of this are a hugely unbalanced demographic profile within the country and large areas of abject poverty.

Margaret Thatcher negotiated her EU rebate in the 80's because she refused to allow structural funding to be sent to the decimated industrial north which qualified on all levels for direct EU help.

Indeed these issues are very complex - but politics played a huge role in leaving Britain in the disfunctional state it is today.

Br Cornelius

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Italy is in trouble, Spain to follow the end is nigh. :lol: the EU is bailing countries out left right and centre, as they bailout Greece Italy starts to wobble. its marvellous to watch. the EU elite throwing around money like its going out of fashion. maybe because it is. :P

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Italy is in trouble, Spain to follow the end is nigh. :lol: the EU is bailing countries out left right and centre, as they bailout Greece Italy starts to wobble. its marvellous to watch. the EU elite throwing around money like its going out of fashion. maybe because it is. :P

Did you spot the fact that Britain has a worse balance sheet than Ireland, I would be worried about your own **** before getting overly concerned about your neighbours.

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Did you spot the fact that Britain has a worse balance sheet than Ireland, I would be worried about your own **** before getting overly concerned about your neighbours.

Br Cornelius

Yes, but the subtle difference being, we're not in the Euro. Agreed, if we were we'd be in deep do do, much like yourselves & Greece (& spain & italy & portugal etc etc) in fact.

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Yes, but the subtle difference being, we're not in the Euro. Agreed, if we were we'd be in deep do do, much like yourselves & Greece (& spain & italy & portugal etc etc) in fact.

you mean that those without Euro did not make debts beyond their means?

The difference is that without nobody is going to come and save your behind.

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you mean that those without Euro did not make debts beyond their means?

The difference is that without nobody is going to come and save your behind.

Hmm, but it's your behind that needs saving right?

What exactly are you trying to persuade people to believe? That all the countries in the Euro zone are doing peachy but everyone else is struggling?

If that is your belief then your head is truely buried somewhere.

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Yes, but the subtle difference being, we're not in the Euro. Agreed, if we were we'd be in deep do do, much like yourselves & Greece (& spain & italy & portugal etc etc) in fact.

Britain is one of the largest economies in the world - the only reason it isn't in the same boat as Ireland is because everyone is to terrified of the consequences of it failing. To big to fail - sound familiar. If the market speculators thought they could get away with crashing the UK economy (and making a fast buck) without bringing the whole house of cards down around their ears - they would.

Br Cornelius

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Ah you must work in the public sector. The other week the civil servants & council workers went on strike..........& nobody noticed.

"Last year it emerged teachers’ unions were winning millions of pounds a year – much of it funded by taxpayers – for injured and sacked teachers.

Payouts in 2009 reached more than £20million and included £173,595 for a teacher who dislocated an ankle during playground duty and another given £80,000 for slipping on a patch of mud.

Another teacher was awarded £150,000 after losing her voice trying to make herself heard in the classroom.

Meanwhile, the cost of settling negligence claims in the NHS has soared to £15billion a year."

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/220770

the compensation claims are driven and supported by the private sector not the public sector.so capitalisem is to blame mate not the public sector.yes im a public sector worker i left school at 16 and joined the army .i did ten years there served in the first gulf war did 6 months in northern ireland and 18 months in bosnia.i left and 2 weeks later joined the prison service where i have helped quell 4 riots.i assume in your head this makes me a public sector scrounger .the fact i have dedicated my life to serving my nation is a bad thing in your eyes ??.

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