[Merged] Major Blast in OSLO

[Mainpoint]

Right wing extremisim and ultra nationalism is bearing its fruits

[arglebargle]

This scumbag planned this for 9 years as it turns out.

And on top of that, he had planned other attacks as well. One where he would set off another carbomb to demolish a building with a low-security political rally, and then finish off any survivors with a flamethrower.

This guy is obviously a psychopath and as such, you can't trust a word he's saying even after he seems to have reformed himself after a sentencing, because he already allayed zero suspicion despite his ultra-right-wing views for the past decade or so. Psychopaths are experts in manipulation and hiding their true nature. I'm not for the death penalty as such, I'm also strongly against life in prison kinds of punishment, but this guy is simply too dangerous to let out amongst the public, because he'll probably just pull off something even worse if he's let out.

[EDIT] In his manifesto he mentions being part of a resurrected knights templar army, that is on a crusade to "purify europe". He claims there were other likeminded people in this organization, n englishman, a french guy, a german, a dutch guy, a greek guy, a russian, another norwegian fellow, a serbian, a swede, a belgian and an european american.

They're anonymous and armed and psychopathic mass murderers to be, chances are good we're going to see similar attacks all over europe. They had also pointed out 4848 norwegians that were "traitors to the country" which they were gonna kill, so we're probably going to see a lot more of this, and I personally fear it's going to irrepairably damage our democracy and freedoms, by forcing our hand towards a patriot act kind of deal.

Edited July 24, 2011 by Ranyhyn

[acidhead]

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Logistic failures

I ordered an ASE Utra CQB-QM silencer (cost was 800 Euro) for my semi automatic rifle in

September 2010 and the supplier, Intersport Bogstadveien, told me it would arrive in early

January 2011. In January, the supplier told me ASE had suddenly cancelled all private

orders due to the fact that they had just received a large military order... I’m not going to

take the chance with a regular non-auto silencer because it might overheat and explode

during rapid fire, with the risk of destroying Gungnir. I was not able to find another supplier

of semi automatic silencers that could be sent to my country directly from the supplier or

by jetcarrier. The only bonus I guess is that by eliminating the silencer aspect allows me to

order and equip a bayonet instead. So I guess; “Marxist on a stick” will soon become an

exclusive Knights Templar Europe trademark:D.

*****

Just curious.... I wonder if anybody was stuck with his bayonet?

[__Kratos__]

Right wing extremisim and ultra nationalism is bearing its fruits

When people get pushed, sometimes they push back. =/ There are much better ways in dealing with these pushes however...

One of the many joys of multiculturalism he pointed out in his video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p__qffobdE

And you can't really ignore the fact islam demands violence and taking over the world. Hard to ignore facts that come straight from their own book. That's what this really is all about... He felt wronged and threatened and thought he had no choice really but to act.

I mean, look what happened when christianity forced it's way into Europe, it wasn't a pretty picture then either... Well still isn't really. These culture clashes are going to keep happening.

[arglebargle]

When people get pushed, sometimes they push back. =/ There are much better ways in dealing with these pushes however...

One of the many joys of multiculturalism he pointed out in his video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p__qffobdE

And you can't really ignore the fact islam demands violence and taking over the world. Hard to ignore facts that come straight from their own book. That's what this really is all about... He felt wronged and threatened and thought he had no choice really but to act.

I mean, look what happened when christianity forced it's way into Europe, it wasn't a pretty picture then either... Well still isn't really. These culture clashes are going to keep happening.

He claims he's on a "Crusade Against Jihad" by killing innocent people in typically jihad style attacks. And if it was muslims he hated, why didn't he demolish a mosque with people inside it? No, he thinks that people who tolerate immigration of any kind is a traitor and deserves death, he expects more of his fellow ethnic norwegians and so he punishes them more severely for not living up to his standards.

Sure the oslo rapestats are worrying numbers, but not all these rapes were by muslims, but rather by "immigrants" which could mean other scandinavian countries as well. True the vast majority was done by Islamic men, but you also gotta remember that this doesn't show the whole picture, because all the incest rapes and unreported violent sexual assaults, daterapes and such were not counted into the numbers here. Only violent sexual assaults. Which is bad enough by all means, but it somewhat evens out the score if you look at the full picture.

[__Kratos__]

He claims he's on a "Crusade Against Jihad" by killing innocent people in typically jihad style attacks. And if it was muslims he hated, why didn't he demolish a mosque with people inside it? No, he thinks that people who tolerate immigration of any kind is a traitor and deserves death, he expects more of his fellow ethnic norwegians and so he punishes them more severely for not living up to his standards.

Sure the oslo rapestats are worrying numbers, but not all these rapes were by muslims, but rather by "immigrants" which could mean other scandinavian countries as well. True the vast majority was done by Islamic men, but you also gotta remember that this doesn't show the whole picture, because all the incest rapes and unreported violent sexual assaults, daterapes and such were not counted into the numbers here. Only violent sexual assaults. Which is bad enough by all means, but it somewhat evens out the score if you look at the full picture.

Pretty much... His own words:

You cannot defeat Islamisation or halt/reverse the Islamic colonization of Western Europe

without first removing the political doctrines manifested through multiculturalism/cultural

Marxism…

Page 5 of the pdf I posted to earlier.

Statistically speaking, it's still pretty brutal and it really points to a cultural problem. Muslims literally follow the words of a known rapist.

Just one of the things he brought up that strike a nerve in people. He weaves so many facts into his madness, it's not hard to see how he deluded himself to such extremes.

[EllJay]

Its like fate's irony that this kind of massacre happens to one of the most peaceful and friendly country in the world.

Almost like some psychos gets really provoked of the tranquillity, serenity, peacefulness and friendly environment and wants to strike at the heart of that in revolting violent action.

Some sort of "mental-itch" that provokes them and they need to "scratch" it in the most sick, violent way they can. Like the devil raping nuns, Nazgûls in the Shire, or something similar.

A few years back I remember when the church-burnings and the following chaos created by some devil-worshippers in the Black Metal-scene was rampant in Norway, and I thought then, as I do now,.. "-In Norway??...of all the countries??".

I suspect there is many people around the world who have a slyness smile on their lips, thinking that, finally something like this happens to one of the last bastions of peace, and a country oblivious of terror.

Feeling like one of the last doors is kicked in and barrier of what is possible to do to create chaos and hurt has been moved forward.

I detest and loathe Islamic terrorism and fundamentalism as much as the next guy, but this sick individual who thinks he lives in 11th century wielding a sword has done an action that puts almost any Islamic-terror acts ever done to shame, and has every serial-killer around the world in envy.

Its so repulsive it makes you feel physically ill.

[Raptor Witness]

This scumbag planned this for 9 years as it turns out.

And on top of that, he had planned other attacks as well. One where he would set off another carbomb to demolish a building with a low-security political rally, and then finish off any survivors with a flamethrower.

This guy is obviously a psychopath and as such, you can't trust a word he's saying even after he seems to have reformed himself after a sentencing, because he already allayed zero suspicion despite his ultra-right-wing views for the past decade or so. Psychopaths are experts in manipulation and hiding their true nature. I'm not for the death penalty as such, I'm also strongly against life in prison kinds of punishment, but this guy is simply too dangerous to let out amongst the public, because he'll probably just pull off something even worse if he's let out.

[EDIT] In his manifesto he mentions being part of a resurrected knights templar army, that is on a crusade to "purify europe". He claims there were other likeminded people in this organization, n englishman, a french guy, a german, a dutch guy, a greek guy, a russian, another norwegian fellow, a serbian, a swede, a belgian and an european american.

They're anonymous and armed and psychopathic mass murderers to be, chances are good we're going to see similar attacks all over europe. They had also pointed out 4848 norwegians that were "traitors to the country" which they were gonna kill, so we're probably going to see a lot more of this, and I personally fear it's going to irrepairably damage our democracy and freedoms, by forcing our hand towards a patriot act kind of deal.

He risked a lot, even publishing this material hours before his attack. Why would someone risk 9 years worth of work for a need to publish on the Internet? He could have dropped it in a mailbox(do you have those in Norway?), or simply waited until Monday, since he probably planned to surrender and tell his side from the very start. After all, everything else was planned meticulously.

I want to hear it from his own mouth, then I'll believe all the rest of this potential disinformation.

As for being part of the "Knights Templar," that's the only laughable thing I've heard so far about this story.

[The Puzzler]

He's quite clever, (even though it's all so terribly insane and sad) he didn't want to be the martyr, the unfortunate victims are the martyrs. His thought was by killing them, they will be who the people will try and give justification to, by following through the reasons they died in the first place. Why did they die? The only answer can be, in his mind, to save Europe from the continued Muslim intrusion, to follow that through is the only means of justification you can give these people, otherwise it could be, they died for nothing.

That's why he didn't blow up a Mosque or something.

Edited July 25, 2011 by The Puzzler

[acidhead]

He risked a lot, even publishing this material hours before his attack. Why would someone risk 9 years worth of work for a need to publish on the Internet? He could have dropped it in a mailbox(do you have those in Norway?), or simply waited until Monday, since he probably planned to surrender and tell his side from the very start. After all, everything else was planned meticulously.

I want to hear it from his own mouth, then I'll believe all the rest of this potential disinformation.

As for being part of the "Knights Templar," that's the only laughable thing I've heard so far about this story.

publishing via the internet made it possible for everybody to read immediately... ive got a copy and have read about a hundred pages or so... it's a wild ride... he's details the days like a diary.

Edited July 25, 2011 by acidhead

[Space Commander Travis]

The automatic assumption that "it must be have been Islamic extremists" seems a bit ironic now, doesn't it.

[arglebargle]

The automatic assumption that "it must be have been Islamic extremists" seems a bit ironic now, doesn't it.

Well, no. Because we had been threatened specifically by islamic extremists, several times. One of those groups also warned that they would perform an attack in Scandinavia "soon". There was also an Islamic group that claimed responsbility for the bomb before the utøya shootings were known, so I wouldn't call it an assumption really. Not when they had threatened to do something like this and afterwards took the blame for it happening.

But then we found out that it was not quite what went on, of course. That part is a bit ironic.

[SolarPlexus]

And now all governments in Europe will have a green light to deal with right-wingers, nationalists, believers, traditionalists. This guy is being used as a scapegoat for others involved and the whole thing stinks to high heavens with agenda

Edited July 25, 2011 by SolarPlexus

[Space Commander Travis]

Well, no. Because we had been threatened specifically by islamic extremists, several times. One of those groups also warned that they would perform an attack in Scandinavia "soon". There was also an Islamic group that claimed responsbility for the bomb before the utøya shootings were known, so I wouldn't call it an assumption really. Not when they had threatened to do something like this and afterwards took the blame for it happening.

The latter was particularly ironic in view of the apparent fact that his main motivation was anti-Islamic and anti-immigrant.

[ExpandMyMind]

The automatic assumption that "it must be have been Islamic extremists" seems a bit ironic now, doesn't it.

Indeed. But it really shouldn't. Only less than 3% (if I remember correctly from the article I posted on these forums last year) of all terrorist attacks carried out in the U.S. and Europe are actually carried out by islamic extremists.

[Black Red Devil]

He claims there were other likeminded people in this organization, n englishman, a french guy, a german, a dutch guy, a greek guy, a russian, another norwegian fellow, a serbian, a swede, a belgian and an european american.

Hmmm, quite interesting.

So now we have a bunch of loony fundamentalists out on the loose that want to kill us because they hate muslims, We have a bunch of troglodytes that want to kill us because they hate Christians. We have Govts that want to tax us to death. We have industries that want to slowly poison us with chemicals and to finish off, we have increasing environmental disasters each year.

It's a miracle that anybody lives past their 70's these days.

As some wise man once said, "Life is just one damn thing after another".

[ThePhantomFlanFlinger]

The automatic assumption that "it must be have been Islamic extremists" seems a bit ironic now, doesn't it.

I think most people thought that it would be islamic terrorists,me included.I dont think anyone could have predicted what unfolded...

[Mainpoint]

Well, no. Because we had been threatened specifically by islamic extremists, several times. One of those groups also warned that they would perform an attack in Scandinavia "soon". There was also an Islamic group that claimed responsbility for the bomb before the utøya shootings were known, so I wouldn't call it an assumption really. Not when they had threatened to do something like this and afterwards took the blame for it happening.

But then we found out that it was not quite what went on, of course. That part is a bit ironic.

Thats just plain bigotry no one should assume anything its not natural at all. This guys hates islam. Rising of hate in european countries is a big problem it should be checked.

[Mainpoint]

Indeed. But it really shouldn't. Only less than 3% (if I remember correctly from the article I posted on these forums last year) of all terrorist attacks carried out in the U.S. and Europe are actually carried out by islamic extremists.

How true people forget european ultra nationalists are responsible for largest numbers of murders in history. They are uber-terrorists.

[+susieice]

Thats just plain bigotry no one should assume anything its not natural at all. This guys hates islam. Rising of hate in european countries is a big problem it should be checked.

How is stating facts bigotry. When someone threatens you and then takes responsibility when something happens to you, that's a pretty natural assumption. Why would an Islamic group take the blame in the first place for something they know they didn't do?

[itsnotoutthere]

How true people forget european ultra nationalists are responsible for largest numbers of murders in history. They are uber-terrorists.

I think you'll find they're a close second to communists & socialists, Maow, Pol pot, Stalin etc. The only difference is Nationalist tend to kill other nationalities whilst communists & socialists tend to kill there own.

Edited July 25, 2011 by itsnotoutthere

[arglebargle]

Thats just plain bigotry no one should assume anything its not natural at all. This guys hates islam. Rising of hate in european countries is a big problem it should be checked.

So if I tell you "im gonna blow up a scandinavian city very soon" and within less than a month, something like this happens, and I almost immediately afterwards send the message saying "See? Told you. That was our work, b****es!" you'd then be a bigot to think: well, I guess he did it then.

They didn't do it as it turns out, but it wasn't bigoted or racist or any such thing to "assume" they did it after they confessed for crying out loud. Sure it turned out to be wrong, but they confessed.

I hate Islam too, and Christianity, and Judaism and all other religions. I don't hate muslims, or christians, or jews, but their ideologies. I wouldn't kill them for it, but theres nothing wrong with hating ideologies that says it's okay to kill people because they disagree with you, etc etc. As all these religions plainly state in their holy books.

To some extent I agree, the twist in where the blame lie and the motivation was ironic, and assumption is the mother of all ****ups, but as long as they said they'd do it, this happened, and they took responsibility, that's not really an assumption anymore, but an educated guess.

[questionmark]

I think you'll find they're a close second to communists & socialists, Maow, Pol pot, Stalin etc. The only difference is Nationalist tend to kill other nationalities whilst communists & socialists tend to kill there own.

yeh... as proven by the Oslo attacks, the Oktoberfest attack and the Bologna bombing.

[itsnotoutthere]

yeh... as proven by the Oslo attacks, the Oktoberfest attack and the Bologna bombing.

Re-read the post i was replying to.

[questionmark]

Re-read the post i was replying to.

Ok, so as proven by Hitler, Franco and Mussolini.