FRENCH SEIZED IN IRAQ

[Wings of Selkhet]

Oh for god's sake. If you can't accept the French have different views from you (and when you can have a serious arguement) I'll start to take your opinion seriously again.

I'm used to dealing with arrogant people, Talon, being one myself. So you can go ahead and pretend that your views are somehow better than mine and that your argument is more serious, but the fact remains that if the French were doing something contrary to your views, then you'd have a problem with it.

You've said that if the French want to do something, then it's okay - and that's all you've said about the French government. So I'm curious as to where you think the line should be drawn. I'm not mocking you or trying to be belligerent. I'd seriously like to know where you think the border between what the French want to do and what's right is.

[Talon]

I don't have a problem with differing views, but when you start saying its no different than France allowing people to kill those wearing religious symbols I can't be bothered treating your argument seriously.

I mean, I'm against religion in schools, but you don't see my coming out with some stupid argument like 'Letting religious people into schools is like letting paedophiles in'

A stupid argument, just like associating a ban supported by the majority of the population to killing people is. France is an evolved, cultured nation, it has a right to do what it likes with its education system. Be critical if you want, but is so at least recognise they have different morals, and its not like an issue which effects countries outside their borders. And certainly don't try and claim they'd revert to killing people in the street.

[wunarmdscissor]

Ok bathory babs.

I havent changed at all.

Babs you especially just wrongly assumed i was somehow supporting the terrorists because of my dismay at being lied to about the war in Iraq and its poor handling.

You wrongly equated that with me being behind the terrorists or saddam husseign.

You wrongly assumed that because i pray that bush doesnt get another term that i am also a terrorist loving hippy.

I have always thought this strongly about terrorism , giving that our country has suffered it for decades.

The only opinions of mines that have changed is that of the muslim world in general.

I am just in an utter state of shock that theese people allow their fellow muslims to carry out so many attacks in their name and barely raise a whimper when they do.

I am shocked today when i look at the gaza strip and see thousands marching after a rocket strike by isreal (prbably harming innocent people yes but also at least attempting to go after bad guys who deserve it) .

I take it these people werent out in force condemning the 600 (probable end toll) being slaughtered innocently by muslims.

I am shocked when they allow high profile clerics to speak out as spout evil like that its ok to kidnap and kill our children.

Wings of Selknet.

Tell why is it only muslims who are causing all the fuss about this???

Where are all the christian terrorist kidnapping french journalists and buddhists kidnapping french journalists.

This is what this ban is all about wings of selknet, its to stop fundamentalism in school, to stop segregation , and put an end to bigotry.

Its a very socialist idea and in my opinion a great idea.

France has had these laws in place bfore muslims came to the country , if they dont like it they can get out and let real peace loving religions get on with their lifes, carry their hate back to their own continent.

The french are trying to put down growing segregation at grass roots level.

It is their right as a sovereign nation. They arent telling people they cannot practise their religion only attempting to give some equality to children in school.

France as with all european countries is a free country, every citizen has the right to choose their way of life and religion.

What about these girls who are forced into wearing headscarves and middle eastern dres?

What about these girls who at birth have their sexual organs cut out??

What choice are they gettin??

I mean if their families want to continue their medeieval style lifestyle then fair enough but do it in their own country.#

Theyve come to european country's expecting us to adapt to them, which we've tried, but they still hate and want to control us.

France has simply said enough is enough, its our country , you dont like then leave.

[bathory]

The only opinions of mines that have changed is that of the muslim world in general

thats what i was surprised at, but hey, as i said, Beslan was the wake up call you guys needed

[wunarmdscissor]

I wouldnt say it was a wakeup call i already felt that way to a certain extent, ive just hardened my feeling towards them.

NOt like what babs thinks.

I think shes under the impression im gonna be posting one of those embarrassing "Vote bush 2004" things lol, become obssessed with terrorism and move to america lol.

[Babs]

wun...No, I don't think that at all. I think as you have said you've changed your opinion on muslims. I don't think any of those things you've spouted off, I don't know how you get those things in your head.

But there is one thing you spoke of...the French and how if the muslim or any other group doen't like what they are doing, they can leave. That's how I feel about the dems in my country. If they don't like it...they can leave. I ask you how is that any different than what you just said? (about the French).

And, just so you know, I was hoping the French would stand strong on their laws and_ that I agree with their laws.

[wcturnersr]

I am so glad that the public schools over here started making the students wear uniforms. I do not know where you come from but kids can be pretty mean when it comes to the clothes you wear.

[gollum]

I believe you are a woman-hater, too, 'because' you called me a man-hater. And, because you had depreciatory remarks about women pasted under your avatar (at one time)... dishonoring women. Looks like I caught 'your' character.  Wow, when gollum isn't winning an arguement, his pants come off! 

Babs I'd really love you do do a small poll adressed to all the women on this forum, and to make it simple for you, a yes/no answer would be suffice.

And the word "terroristic" does'nt exsist Babs, whether you want it to or not. Simple as that.

Could you not work out how to get a map up on your computer screen?

I mean, that's all it would take to find out where Chechnya actually is.

You never answered any of my questions Babs. Do you know who Che is or what he stood for? Again a simple search on your PC would find out a shed load of information. But I forgot Babs, if it's not staring you in the face then it is'nt real.

Do you know that the world is'nt actually flat Babs, even though many may tell you it is?

As for you thinking I was threatening you, not my style Babs, sorry to disappoint and all that. If you felt threatened then we'll put that down to your paranoia shall we?

[Talon]

Its a very socialist idea and in my opinion a great idea.

Agreed

France has had these laws in place bfore muslims came to the country , if they dont like it they can get out and let real peace loving religions get on with their lifes, carry their hate back to their own continent.

France has simply said enough is enough, its our country , you dont like then leave.

True, True. France is the home of the French. And nobody has the right to come into someone elses home and tell them what to do.

[Babs]

Are you back for more?

I was told not to inflame this situation, so I am 'zipping' my mouth..."course you wouldn't like that, would you gollum?"

[bathory]

hehe Che was a stinking communist:P

who suffered the worst fate a stinky communist could possibly endure, his image was commercialised and sold to angst ridden teens. Oh the irony:P

thats right, he was stinky!

and pooped his pants!

[gollum]

thats right, he was stinky!

and pooped his pants!

How old are you?

Or is this a case of....anything for a fight?

Grow up small boy and get a life!

[Babs]

hehe Che was a stinking communist:P

who suffered the worst fate a stinky communist could possibly endure, his image was commercialised and sold to angst ridden teens. Oh the irony:P

thats right, he was stinky!

and pooped his pants!

                   

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That fits.

Edited September 7, 2004 by Babs

[gollum]

Fits what exactly?

[bathory]

gawd, you gotta be kidding

people have no sense of toilet humour these days

would you be equally offended if i poked fun of Stalin? or maybe Castro?

Stalin had a big nose and he wet the bed

Castro has bad indigestion which makes him fart allot

oh oh and heres one for Marx

Marx likes to touch boys on the bottom

if you think i'm being serious perhaps you should go to one of my serious posts, 99% of this post wasn't serious (Stalin wet the bed, i swear!)

[gollum]

I see....humour, now I get it, gawd theres me thinking humour was beyond you.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

[bathory]

hey, try as i might, i just ain't *insert favorite comic here*

[Fluffybunny]

That's how I feel about the dems in my country. If they don't like it...they can leave. I ask you how is that any different than what you just said? (about the French).

I can't believe you are so thick to say something like this babs. You have just shown how painfully ignorant that you are.

"Dems" that you are so worried about are citizens of this fine country. You want to kick naturalized citizens out of the country because they do not agree with you. What a joke. I cringe at the idea that you are allowed a vote. it saddens me, I would like to think that there would have to be a test of some sort to get the right to vote.

You are trying to equate a secular law in another country regarding religous symbols in public school to a differing of opinion amongst 2 major political parties that make up nearly 90% of the citizens in this country. If you can't see the lack of connection between what the original problem is and what you just proposed you are beyond help as many already think here.

You can't honestly believe what you just typed can you? I can't believe anyone would not understand how foolish it sounds to want to throw nearly half of the population of a country out because they may have a difference of opinion from you.

Where are you going to send them to babs? they live here They are citizens

Please put some thought into your posts babs, this is rather embarassing to have to read drivel like this coming from you. Unless you are trying to take Snuffys' place as forum jester I would hope that you take some time to consider your opinions before pressing the submit button.

Edited September 7, 2004 by Fluffybunny

[gollum]

[Babs]

There you go again trying to suppress my voice. I'm surprised by your remarks about 911_ surprised that you actually 'live here'. And if my drivel is so embarrassing to you why do you bother to respond?

[Kismit]

I'm giving this thread 3 posts to get back on topic , if the slinging matches don't stop and facts are forsaken for insults and flamming . I won't hesitate in not only shutting it down but handing out temporary suspensions .

A few posters involved have allready been spoken to and continually post in subjects like this one in an antagonistic manner .

[Fluffybunny]

There you go again trying to suppress my voice.   I'm surprised by your remarks about 911_ surprised that you actually 'live here'. And if my drivel is so embarrassing to you why do you bother to respond?

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geez babs...I can't supress anyones voice here, I am not a moderator and do not have the ability to alter posts. I did not and could not tell you not to post, I said to think before you post...big difference. If you want to go on playing the victim, knock yourself out; I don't care. Post whatever you want...I DON'T CARE.

If you wonder why I respond to your posts it is out of a feeling of responsibility to balance the...stuff...you post that comes so far out of left field it is embarrasing. You want to throw democrats out for not agreeing with you

I tire of you and your endless patter on matters you do not know about or even seem to care to learn about. I will leave it at that as I would probably be banned for saying anything closer to the truth of the matter.

[Talon]

France says hostages still alive

Two French journalists taken hostage in Iraq are believed to be alive and safe, France's defence minister has said.

But Sunni Muslim clerics in Iraq say efforts to free them are being hampered by the escalation of security operations led by US forces.

Australia is investigating whether a body found north of Baghdad is that of one of its citizens.

There has been no news on the fate of a Briton and two US nationals abducted from a house in Baghdad on Thursday.

The three were seized at gunpoint by a gang who raided the house in the capital's Mansour neighbourhood.

The US embassy in Iraq named the two Americans as Jack Hensley and Eugene Armstrong.

The British embassy did not release details of the Briton but Foreign Secretary Jack Straw has contacted the man's family to reassure them the UK is doing everything it can for him, his department said on Friday.

'Alive and well'

French Defence Minister Michele Alliot-Marie said she had new information on the fate of journalists Christian Chesnot and Georges Malbrunot, who disappeared in Iraq nearly a month ago.

"We have information that allows us to think - without having direct proof - that our hostages are alive, safe and in good health," she told Le Parisien newspaper.

"All the relevant ministries, including defence, of course, are permanently mobilised," she added.

The Committee of the Ulema, Iraq's top Sunni religious organisation also suggested the pair were still alive but said attempts to free them were being frustrated.

"We are under the impression that the American forces do not want the hostages to be freed because each time we get near a solution, these forces push for a military escalation," said Mohammed Ayash al-Kubaisi, the group's representative abroad.

"We believe these forces have political aims, seeking to create a chaotic situation which does not contribute to progress," he told AFP news agency in Qatar.

Body found

Early on Friday, the body of a man said to have western features was pulled from the River Tigris near the central Iraqi village of Yethrib.

A spokesman for Australia's foreign minister said they were trying to determine if the victim was one of two Australian security guards whom militants claim to have taken hostage.

The latest kidnappings bring the number currently being held to 19.

Two female Italian aid workers were taken last week.

The kidnapping of Iraqis for ransom has become commonplace, particularly in Baghdad, but such abductions go virtually unreported by the international media.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3665926.stm

[wunarmdscissor]

theyve published pictures on al jazeera of british and american hostages as well.