Islamic extremists set up Sharia law

[FLOMBIE]

And most religions as well.

[arglebargle]

You can say it qualifies as a religion as I will call it political. Is there that much a difference.

It qualifies as both. It was just that you said quite clearly that Islam was not a religion. It is. It's also politics, just like Christianity, Judaism and all the others are also both, and as itsnotoutthere said, they're totalitarian.

[itsnotoutthere]

Sound pretty much like any government on the planet methink...

Yes agreed, but the description fits Islam quite precisely doncha think.

[Paracelse]

Yes agreed, but the description fits Islam quite precisely doncha think.

Perhaps because we do not have any new information coming from vatican however based on old info, catholic priests have manipulated politics worldwide previously they just hide it better. If we take a look at Spain until Franco's death, we can see the hand of Opus Dei. I just used

Francisco Franco's regime

Opus Dei was founded in 1928 by an Aragonese Roman Catholic priest, Josemaria Escriva, and it was subsequently recognized by the Roman Catholic Church as its first secular religious institution, then later a personal prelature, a secular jurisdictional structure of the Catholic Church akin to a diocese. Although attention has been drawn primarily to its activities in Spain, it is an international body with members and associates throughout the world. Members make a commitment to dedicate their professional talents to the service of God and to seek to win converts through their missionary zeal. The organization in Spain and everywhere else has emphasized professional excellence, whether they are farmers or teachers, and it has expected its members who have talents for politics to serve in government positions, in accord, it says, with the Social Doctrine of the Church.

Many newly published Spanish history textbooks agree that the Opus Dei had a strong influence in the Franco regime. Moreover, Opus Dei developed itself in its early days during the Franco regime. According to these books, Opus Dei was not only linked but also tightly interwoven with the power structures of the Francoist authoritarian government soon after the Spanish Civil War, although its stronger involvement in the government came only in the late 1950s. It had at least 8 ministers during Franco's rule. This was in keeping with the organization's aim of influencing the development of society indirectly. Aside from recruiting members from all social classes, Opus Dei recruited members from among the brightest students, which according to some observers[who?] encouraged a sense of elitism and clannishness. Because of what some critics see as clannishness and secrecy surrounding the organization, they termed it the "Holy Mafia."

[Bildr]

Ahhh this guy

it's sad, but he is right when he say that they are moderate Muslim but no moderate Islam... do you see moderate Muslims responding against the extremist acts? No they are hiding in fear below the extremist in fear that they will be violently repressed by their own ''kind''.

[Abramelin]

Why do dutch people like to say liberty for all when they curtail their own country men beliefs and tell them to live a certain way instead of living "liberally"

You refuse to read what I actually wrote, so I won't bother to explain.

But *I* live here.

[Abramelin]

Nothing against them so far. It is all about Islam. He must have had a Mullah beating him up, or a son of a Mullah beating him up after school or something.

Edit: He has nothing against foreigners either.

Wilders lived in Utrecht for many years. He lived in a district with like 95 percent Muslims, of which the majority is from Morocco.

He was in fact an outsider, and treated a such.

For the safety of his family he finally moved.

[Abramelin]

I already know what some will say about the source of the next article, but it will give you an idea of what is going on here, and why Wilders is doing what he is doing:

http://sheikyermami.com/2008/10/06/dutch-city-gouda-under-siege-by-muhammedan-thugs/

And I visited Gouda often, and I know it happens.

[Mainpoint]

Wilders lived in Utrecht for many years. He lived in a district with like 95 percent Muslims, of which the majority is from Morocco.

He was in fact an outsider, and treated a such.

For the safety of his family he finally moved.

the muslims need protection in dutchland not the other way around the people like Geert Wilders are bullies

it's sad, but he is right when he say that they are moderate Muslim but no moderate Islam... do you see moderate Muslims responding against the extremist acts? No they are hiding in fear below the extremist in fear that they will be violently repressed by their own ''kind''.

No he is not right its sad but you are living in another planet

[Abramelin]

the muslims need protection in dutchland not the other way around the people like Geert Wilders are bullies

No he is not right its sad but you are living in another planet

You don't live in Holland, and you don't know what you are talking about. It's apparent you do not actually read the posts here carefully.

You can try to portray yourself as 'politically correct', but that will end as soon as you live here for a couple of years.

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Edited August 3, 2011 by Abramelin

[itsnotoutthere]

I already know what some will say about the source of the next article, but it will give you an idea of what is going on here, and why Wilders is doing what he is doing:

http://sheikyermami.com/2008/10/06/dutch-city-gouda-under-siege-by-muhammedan-thugs/

And I visited Gouda often, and I know it happens.

Yes, there are a few on here that would rather stick their fingers in their ears & shout 'it's not happening, it's not happening'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-506510/Why-Bishop-Rochester-right-areas-non-muslims-Britain.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-511885/Bishop-Rochester-police-protection-receiving-death-threats-saying-Britain-areas-non-Muslims.html

[Abramelin]

You know what? I was like that, once.... long ago.

But eventually you will wake up.

[Bildr]

No he is not right its sad but you are living in another planet

have you ever saw moderate Muslim saying anything against extremist Islamist? Not much heh!? We see Jewish people manifesting against the Zionist, but the Muslims?...they are pretty silent.

Edited August 3, 2011 by Bildr

[Abramelin]

have you ever saw moderate Muslim saying anything against extremist Islamist? Not much heh!? We see Jewish people manifesting against the Zionist, but the Muslims?...they are pretty silent.

Well, I must say, I have met elder Moroccans telling me that if these young Muslim extremists who think they can just do and say anything here in Holland, would show up in Morocco, their hands or heads would be chopped off.

[Paracelse]

Well, I must say, I have met elder Moroccans telling me that if these young Muslim extremists who think they can just do and say anything here in Holland, would show up in Morocco, their hands or heads would be chopped off.

I heard the same stories in France but Algerians are all together much more violent regardless of age. Hopefully no one will attempt to see racism in my writings, as it's not my intention.

[Mainpoint]

have you ever saw moderate Muslim saying anything against extremist Islamist? Not much heh!? We see Jewish people manifesting against the Zionist, but the Muslims?...they are pretty silent.

Odd I have experienced the opposite where have you heard jewish people voice concern against atrocities commited by Israel?

[Abramelin]

Odd I have experienced the opposite where have you heard jewish people voice concern against atrocities commited by Israel?

You still refuse to tell us where you live, eh?

*snip*

Edited August 4, 2011 by Saru
Removed personal attacks

[Mainpoint]

I live in US why you ask?

[farandaway]

As I said most religions are political and use a faith for there agenda. Islam is being used to change laws and politics. Just as Christianity did to shape our western world today. The use of a deity to shape laws in favor of one over another does not speak of a god but a desire for power and control.

That's always been my understanding. Religion to control the populace. Thou shalt be smote if thou does not toe this line and behave thyself.

Perhaps because we do not have any new information coming from vatican however based on old info, catholic priests have manipulated politics worldwide previously they just hide it better. If we take a look at Spain until Franco's death, we can see the hand of Opus Dei. I just used

The Catholic church is a very powerful political body and always has been. They're richer than god and I don't think there is anything they don't have their fingers in.

The truth is that imposition of Sharia law in the United States, especially when mixed with a perverted sense of political correctness, poses a danger to civil society. Just last year, a Muslim man in Buffalo, New York beheaded his wife in what appeared to be an honor killing, again using his faith to justify his actions. It is doubtful that the domestic violence and rape in this recently overturned case will be the last Americans see of Sharia being impermissibly used to justify brutal acts on our soil. As former Assistant Secretary of Defense Frank Gaffney wrote recently:

Sharia is no less toxic when it comes to the sorts of democratic government and civil liberties guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution. According to this legal code of Saudi Arabia and Iran, only Allah can make laws, and only a theocrat can properly administer them, ultimately on a global basis.

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We're starting to have the same concerns in the U.S. regarding Sharia Law. These people have to be made adamantly aware, that they are under jurisdiction of the laws of the sovereign nation they are living in. If they don't like it, tough. Freedom of religion is one thing, but everyone is still subject to the same statutes, and ignorance of the law is no excuse to break it.

[Mainpoint]

This sharia law debate is a joke. A guy Anjem Choudry keeps rambling nonsense and people extrapolate weird ideas. Freedom of speech anyone?

[Bildr]

Odd I have experienced the opposite where have you heard jewish people voice concern against atrocities commited by Israel?

youtube and google it; Jewish against Zionist

http://www.nkusa.org/

Edited August 3, 2011 by Bildr

[Abramelin]

I live in US why you ask?

Simple: you don't know what's going on here.

[Paracelse]

This sharia law debate is a joke. A guy Anjem Choudry keeps rambling nonsense and people extrapolate weird ideas. Freedom of speech anyone?

I guess the terrorists bombing of London in July 2005 was nonsense too.

[veer]

We won't enjoy freedom of speech or "freedom" in the coming years.

[arglebargle]

Odd I have experienced the opposite where have you heard jewish people voice concern against atrocities commited by Israel?

As Bildr shows you there are a few. Also the only jewish guy I know of in my town is strongly against it. And when my father served in lebanon, he met a lot of jewish people living in the area who also sympathized to a great degree with the palestinian plight, wishing their government would just leave those people be. So there are quite a few, just like there are plenty of muslims who are opposed to extremist islamists, but they're not loud enough about it.