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riots sparked by police beating 16yr old girl


Little Fish

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we don't know whether it was individual police officers or whether it was orders, police are given orders in crowd situations.

nobody said it was justified. killing a man and beating up a 16 year old girl is lawless.

Of course it is, the riots are still wrong. It doesn't matter if some cowards wish to say that; "Oh yeah, I'm rioting because of this girl who was beaten!" as the rioters plunder innocent people's stores, they burn down homes and beat and kill innocents. No matter how little I trust cops to really fix their own crimes this is beyond any sense of scale. You don't burn down a city because one or two cases of violence.

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Yes, and it may justify protests. Maybe even nationwide, but these thugs are not protesting. There are no banners, no rallies, no political claims or anything that demonstrates there view at all. There are just plenty of mobs rioting through the streets, robbing every store and enjoy fighting the police.

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You don't burn down a city because one or two cases of violence.

right, but do you think it is a correct characterisation to say "one or two cases of violence" when it appears to be policy.

do you remember Ian Tomlinson?

do you allow protests in your country, or do you expect police to smash heads when anyone protests?

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right, but do you think it is a correct characterisation to say "one or two cases of violence" when it appears to be policy.

do you remember Ian Tomlinson?

do you allow protests in your country, or do you expect police to smash heads when anyone protests?

You're not getting it Little Fish - you don't seem to understand the difference between protest and violence. I can write a great big banner saying "David Cameron is a ****" if I like, no one will stop me, infact the police will protect my rights to protest....any group, however distasteful, can protest, as long as they give the police warning of their actions so they can set up a route that avoids civil disturbance, and potential violence.

What you can't do though is throw rocks at the police, rob the public, set light to property, loot stores and shops, smash windows etc....

Do you understand the difference now?

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Yes, and it may justify protests.
you cannot protest in the UK, the police will beat you and the media will call it a riot
these thugs are not protesting.
I agree, at this point it is criminality.
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You're not getting it Little Fish - you don't seem to understand the difference between protest and violence. I can write a great big banner saying "David Cameron is a ****" if I like, no one will stop me, infact the police will protect my rights to protest....any group, however distasteful, can protest, as long as they give the police warning of their actions so they can set up a route that avoids civil disturbance, and potential violence.

What you can't do though is throw rocks at the police, rob the public, set light to property, loot stores and shops, smash windows etc....

Do you understand the difference now?

Um, no. That is defamation, and most likely an offense in British Law as well.

But besides that, you are right. These are not protests! Protests have to be declared, allowed, and have to have some sort of agenda. And a different agenda than robbing fellow citizens and setting fellow citizen's houses on fire.

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you cannot protest in the UK, the police will beat you and the media will call it a riot

I agree, at this point it is criminality.

You don't have the faintest idea what you are talking about- protests about all manner of things happen all the time in this country. It is violence that isn't tolerated, you don't seem to understand the difference.

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I don't care much about who is getting beaten. There were plenty of kids and girls amongst the rioters and looters, if that's what they want to do then let them suffer the consequences.

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Um, no. That is defamation, and most likely an offense in British Law as well.

But besides that, you are right. These are not protests! Protests have to be declared, allowed, and have to have some sort of agenda. And a different agenda than robbing fellow citizens and setting fellow citizen's houses on fire.

Well, it's a fine line i'd agree, but when you see some of the banners about our politicians i'd wager a bet that defamation wouldn't come into it - maybe an obscenity law though. But you knew what I was getting at...

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you cannot protest in the UK, the police will beat you and the media will call it a riot

You have no right for demonstrating in the UK? No demonstrations are ever permitted? And if they do permit one, police is just beating it down? Somehow, it's hard to believe.

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You have no right for demonstrating in the UK? No demonstrations are ever permitted? And if they do permit one, police is just beating it down? Somehow, it's hard to believe.

Obvious bs is often hard to believe. Little Fish has no idea wtf he's talking about. Protests occur all the time. Occasionally even violent protests, they're nothing like what's occurring at the moment. Little Fish seems unable to discern the difference between a protest, and a riot.

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right, but do you think it is a correct characterisation to say "one or two cases of violence" when it appears to be policy.

do you remember Ian Tomlinson?

do you allow protests in your country, or do you expect police to smash heads when anyone protests?

As I'm not British I can't say that I do.

We allow protests, however any sane nation would not allow rioting and looting!

Thing is, I UNDERSTAND why the entire chain of events happened and why there's rioting now. But that doesn't mean I consider it justified.

You want to get the police officers responsible for those events to justice? Fine, become a politician and work to change the laws, or put social pressure.

Burning down homes and shops is not the way to go.

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it's hilarious reading some of the posts here. it reminds me of the salem witch trials.

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or put social pressure
right, like the 16 year old girl "put social pressure", the police beat her up.
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Well, it's a fine line i'd agree, but when you see some of the banners about our politicians i'd wager a bet that defamation wouldn't come into it - maybe an obscenity law though. But you knew what I was getting at...

Yup, I do. Just wanted to point out that you might get in trouble with that kind of banner. ;)

Obvious bs is often hard to believe. Little Fish has no idea wtf he's talking about. Protests occur all the time. Occasionally even violent protests, they're nothing like what's occurring at the moment. Little Fish seems unable to discern the difference between a protest, and a riot.

A lot of people can't do that. I spotted a guy in my neighborhood yesterday, who gave out flyers saying we should soliderise with the rioters in Britain, and eventually start to riot as well. When I asked him why we should be doing that, he simply replied: "Because it's time."

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right, like the 16 year old girl "put social pressure", the police beat her up.

There are some reports saying she attacked the police with a champagne bottle. What is a 16 year old girl doing in this kind of "protests" anyway? Where were the parents?

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There are some reports saying she attacked the police with a champagne bottle.

can you show me the reports of this?

What is a 16 year old girl doing in this kind of "protests" anyway? Where were the parents?
maybe they were protesting with her, and what do you mean "this kind"? are you assuming it was a riot and not a protest? can you tell the difference? LOL. Edited by Little Fish
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can you show me the reports of this?

maybe they were protesting with her, and what do you mean "this kind"? are you assuming it was a riot and not a protest? can you tell the difference? LOL.

Why are you saying this?

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can you show me the reports of this?

maybe they were protesting with her, and what do you mean "this kind"? are you assuming it was a riot and not a protest? can you tell the difference? LOL.

Link 1

Link 2

Link 3 In the comments.

It's nothing fancy, just what I could find after a quick search.

With "this kind of protests" I meant to say that they where at least aggressive from the beginning, and bringing your kid along, or even letting her attend alone, is very much wrong in my eyes.

Edit: There is much more: Link 4

The Telegraph says she would have thrown a stone.

And the big newspapers are reporting this. Haven't you claimed they wouldn't?

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protests began outside police station after man shot by police. police came out and beat 16 year old girl. this is what sparked the riots.cbbc censor the reality that people are p***ed off with police state,

so I tell you how this thing started, and I'm the bad guy?

ok you got me.

firstly your intial comments indicate a fact...this is what sparked the riots. Followed by another fact 'i tell you how this thing started' ...you are not stating your opinion here you are trying to pass it off as fact. No bias there?

You have simply got it in for every government, and if you could somehow link it to 9-11 conspiracy I am sure you would.

few questions for you:

if this started the riots, why did no one hear about it before or during the three first days?

Why should we believe one persons opinion (who is looting) as to why they are doing this? And if we are to believe someone who is looting, which one do you believe?

I can show you many of them who have all stated different reasons. One of the muppets even started of saying its because of the police and its payback time' within 10 seconds he changes it to I am a criminal and I am out to make some money. The next muppet states it is because it is a laugh. The third muppet says it is because there are no jobs.

so please do let me know why we should believe the one person you pick out...oh yeah I know...confirmation bias....he agrees with the conspiracy you allude to.

I think you havent a clue Little fish and are obviously trying to push another agenda here.

Do I think the government are responsible for 9-11...who knows its a possibility but not one I subscribe to.

Do I think the government are responsible for this rioting.....no way.

Your points pushed as fact are actually opinions that are way off the mark.

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ok you got me.

firstly your intial comments indicate a fact...this is what sparked the riots. Followed by another fact 'i tell you how this thing started' ...you are not stating your opinion here you are trying to pass it off as fact. No bias there?

You have simply got it in for every government, and if you could somehow link it to 9-11 conspiracy I am sure you would.

few questions for you:

if this started the riots, why did no one hear about it before or during the three first days?

Why should we believe one persons opinion (who is looting) as to why they are doing this? And if we are to believe someone who is looting, which one do you believe?

I can show you many of them who have all stated different reasons. One of the muppets even started of saying its because of the police and its payback time' within 10 seconds he changes it to I am a criminal and I am out to make some money. The next muppet states it is because it is a laugh. The third muppet says it is because there are no jobs.

so please do let me know why we should believe the one person you pick out...oh yeah I know...confirmation bias....he agrees with the conspiracy you allude to.

I think you havent a clue Little fish and are obviously trying to push another agenda here.

Do I think the government are responsible for 9-11...who knows its a possibility but not one I subscribe to.

Do I think the government are responsible for this rioting.....no way.

Your points pushed as fact are actually opinions that are way off the mark.

So very well put, where's the "thank you" button this thing!

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So very well put, where's the "thank you" button this thing!

thanks pal. I hope you are keeping safe up there in Manchester.

I am usually emotionless when it comes ot this forum, but some of the posts regarding the riot have made my blood boil. And I dont think I am alone in feeling this judging by some of yours and others comments.

cheers

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Sounds like the riots may take a turn for the worse;

Riots Stoke British Ethnic Tensions

Three Birmingham men died early Wednesday as they sought to protect local businesses from rioters, showing how the violence that began four days ago in London and spread to the U.K.'s other big cities is stoking long-simmering ethnic tensions in some of the country's most racially diverse communities.
The three men who died, all Asians, were hit by a carload of suspected looters. West Midlands police arrested a man near the scene and launched a murder inquiry. Witnesses said the man, the driver of the vehicle, was black.
"People are saying it's a race issue now—blacks against Asians," said Mykel Douglas, a black youth worker and resident of Winson Green, the working-class district northwest of Birmingham city center where the incident occurred. "It's like the ethnic groups are at war with each other."
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right, like the 16 year old girl "put social pressure", the police beat her up.

*groans*Yes! Exactly! And if they did so without reason(whatever reason there could be...:/ )). Then they should be put to trial, and if it's epidemic within the police corps then the only way to combat it is to do it by legal means!

Or do you think this will solve anything? Do you think the people whose homes have burnt down to think "Ooooh, they beat up a girl? Well that completely justifies my home being cinders" or do you think it'll be more in the line of . "So ******* what? Bash their heads in!"

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[...]or do you think it'll be more in the line of . "So ******* what? Bash their heads in!"

:rolleyes: Really? That would start it all over again. I hope they are thinking: "So ******* what? Lock them up!"

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