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President Barack Obama accused Republican Tea Party activists of holding back the economic recovery Tuesday, putting pressure on Congress to pass his yet-to-be unveiled jobs plan.

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What, like all 15 of them?

I'm still waiting for Recovery Summer 2010 to kick in - you know, before the 15 Tea Party types took over our entire government.

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Well it's kind of true. The whole 'taxes = baby eating' viewpoint the Tea Party has made the US look rather stupid during the whole debt debate. Rest of the Republicans seem to have just picked up the thread as a weapon to use in elections.

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...and the fact of the matter is: No matter what they promise, they will have no choice but raise taxes and cut spending (where it hurts) no matter who gets elected or the train ends up in the river instead of hanging down the cliff.

It is just that the constituents want to be lied to... evidently.

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Well it's just one of those oddities (from an outsider view) of American political culture. Their taxes aren't really that high but if anyone even suggests raising them a bit everyone starts screaming bloody murder.

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Well it's just one of those oddities (from an outsider view) of American political culture. Their taxes aren't really that high but if anyone even suggests raising them a bit everyone starts screaming bloody murder.

The average American pays between 40 to 50% of thier income in a wide range of taxes. The problem with raising taxes as I see it is this, we shouldnt be punnished cause we have a government that cant understand that it has to live with in its means. And secondly, companies are already laying off workers and cutting back expenses cause of the uncertainty of the economy. Raising taxes on them will only make them lay off more workers, and cut expense even more, while at the same time raising the costs of what ever it is they produce. Besides you could take 100% of the income of every person in this country making over 250,000, and we still would not be able to get this debt situation under control.

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The average American pays between 40 to 50% of thier income in a wide range of taxes. The problem with raising taxes as I see it is this, we shouldnt be punnished cause we have a government that cant understand that it has to live with in its means. And secondly, companies are already laying off workers and cutting back expenses cause of the uncertainty of the economy. Raising taxes on them will only make them lay off more workers, and cut expense even more, while at the same time raising the costs of what ever it is they produce. Besides you could take 100% of the income of every person in this country making over 250,000, and we still would not be able to get this debt situation under control.

First. you say these percentages a lot but provide no source for it. In my personal case, this is simply not so.

The "we" being "punished" only includes you if you're one of the rich who by definition are more able to pay taxes..We gotten the government we asked for and voted for. One that panders to defense contractors and lobbyists. One that provides earmarked monies for local projects.

Do you have a source for your claim of someone wanting to raise corporate taxes? You seem to want to conflate corporate taxes with personal federal income tax. Corporations are not people as much as Mitt Romney wants them to be.

No one suggests that we can pay off the federal debt in one year. The majority of lost revenue over the last ten years has been because of the Bush tax cuts which mostly benefited the very wealthy (along with two wars, Medicare part D and economic downturn). The chart of these factors has been posted here on UM many times. That is the situation that must change and will take ten or more years to complete.

Also, no one seems to be advocating that "only" tax revenue will solve anything. In fact, the Democratic position is the raise taxes on those most able to pay (even by reducing loopholes that the super rich use) AND reduce spending.

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The average American pays between 40 to 50% of thier income in a wide range of taxes. The problem with raising taxes as I see it is this, we shouldnt be punnished cause we have a government that cant understand that it has to live with in its means. And secondly, companies are already laying off workers and cutting back expenses cause of the uncertainty of the economy. Raising taxes on them will only make them lay off more workers, and cut expense even more, while at the same time raising the costs of what ever it is they produce. Besides you could take 100% of the income of every person in this country making over 250,000, and we still would not be able to get this debt situation under control.

I agree with you. Paying taxes is like giving money to a family member who uses crack and expecting them to use the money in a sensible way. The government and its spending habits is and has been over the edge for many moons now. Also raise the taxes on the rich and they will even their "gross" salary by elimiating jobs to balance it. Greed has a way of balance. Talking about trickling down.

First thing that needs to be done is for the taxpayers to cut the credit cards of the government and eliminate their waste. Is this possible .. I do not know. The government has been on the tit of the taxpayer for so long I believe they may be stuck to it. They treat us taxpayers like children, yet believe we should be the parent at the same time and give them more and more money. Like the spoiled brats that they are.

Punished is the right word for this ... punished for our stupidity "not ignorance" as we know better of electing and re-electing those who could care less for the little people and care most for those who keep them in office. If this were children I would have a different opinion, yet they are grown adults, these spoiled brats. Time for nearly everyone of them to go the way of the Dodo Bird. Both sides!!!

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Well it's just one of those oddities (from an outsider view) of American political culture. Their taxes aren't really that high but if anyone even suggests raising them a bit everyone starts screaming bloody murder.

Some people even claim we have the highest taxes in the world. I guess it might feel like that at tax time, but it really isn't even close to the truth.

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First. you say these percentages a lot but provide no source for it. In my personal case, this is simply not so.

The "we" being "punished" only includes you if you're one of the rich who by definition are more able to pay taxes..We gotten the government we asked for and voted for. One that panders to defense contractors and lobbyists. One that provides earmarked monies for local projects.

Do you have a source for your claim of someone wanting to raise corporate taxes? You seem to want to conflate corporate taxes with personal federal income tax. Corporations are not people as much as Mitt Romney wants them to be.

No one suggests that we can pay off the federal debt in one year. The majority of lost revenue over the last ten years has been because of the Bush tax cuts which mostly benefited the very wealthy (along with two wars, Medicare part D and economic downturn). The chart of these factors has been posted here on UM many times. That is the situation that must change and will take ten or more years to complete.

Also, no one seems to be advocating that "only" tax revenue will solve anything. In fact, the Democratic position is the raise taxes on those most able to pay (even by reducing loopholes that the super rich use) AND reduce spending.

Yeah, there is no need to raise corporate taxes when we could gain close to a trillion dollars a year from closing loopholes.

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The Tea Party is at fault but in this case it's because they have divided the Republicans into two non distinct camps. The new Tea Party Republicans have in a sense hijacked the platform that the original GOP usually stands for and shifted it to the the farthest right. In doing so it leaves the party to keep painting itself into corners because it's that much harder to find middle ground on any legislation. Look at the debt debacle, which in the past would have been the far right minority being against it and the moderate Republicans figuring out that raising the debt ceiling is just the status quo and getting on with things. Instead the Tea Party folks are running the show, the moderates have been drown out or cowtow to the right and everything comes up against a wall of stubborn misinformation and infighting. Taxes are the same way, there is ample evidence to support ending the Bush tax protection for the rich but the Tea Party only hears "raise taxes hell no" whether it's realistic or not they'll raise a stink.

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Okay I'm sick of hearing about the Tea Party sabotaging everyone's hopes and dreams of a fiscal Eden.

I was a registered Democrat for 20 years. Jimmy Carter, was the first Presidential candidate I ever voted for, and we all know how that turned out. I went to work, raised a family as a single mom, and grew up. While I would never consider myself a Republican, (way too much religiousity) Liberal dogma fell by the wayside, and I became more conservative. I learned to think for myself, by actually living, working, and spending, in the real world.

Now, I want to know, how 38 freshman members of the House of Representatives, could possibly have brought about the ruination of the American Economy as we know it? Really think about that. Could it be that they made everyone realise, that what government wanted to do, by raising the debt ceiling, yet again, was wrong...That a government that keeps spending money that it does not have is fiscally irresponsible?

Now they have become convenient scapegoats for everything fiscal. 38 members of the House of Representatives out of 435 total (and let's not forget the 100 Senators). In America. Wow. Yet 4,671 American voters, in Iowa, couldn't even get Representative Ron Paul, media coverage.

The American economy sucks right now, that's a fact. To blame it on 38 members of Congress is just ridiculous.

Then of course there are the Bush Tax Cuts, another Liberal mantra. We're going to hear about this one, until Hell freezes over. Bush has been out of office for three years. Get over it, already.

I keep hearing that the rich should pay more taxes. Well, wouldn't that be nice? But which rich are you talking about? The billionaires who inherited all their dollars? Or the Americans who parlayed their education and drive into money and entrepreneurial enterprise that benefits everyone? Or maybe professionals who are finally seeing their college loans bear fruit? These people already pay the majority of taxes in this country, and let's not forget, that because of our economical woes, there are less rich people in this country.

No matter how much money Americans pay in taxes, it will never be enough. If there is a bazillion dollars in revenue, the government will spend a bazillion.five...and then blame someone entirely inconsequential, for the discrepancy.

Before raising taxes, the U.S. Government needs to decrease spending, no matter how much it hurts. The American People need to get over the 'gimmee' mentality fostered by Liberal socialist policies. Thinking that Uncle Sam will take care of them from cradle to grave, is just not feasible. It will hurt like hell to be weaned off of these ideals, but in the long run it will be better for the individual and better for the country.

We need to quit the blame game and come up with real solutions to our problems. Quit spending money on BS bureaucracies and social programs, make our country business friendly again, so corporations will start hiring people and our country can start collecting revenue from the proudly employed again. Quit rewarding politicians for pandering to special interests and let's quit treating war as a lucrative business and get out of it.

Our problems have been mounting for a long time. Quit blaming a party of brand new enthusiastic American politicians, that weren't even around for most of them. Like the Tea Party or not, at least they're trying!

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The government has been on the tit of the taxpayer for so long I believe they may be stuck to it.

You do realize that without taxes, the US government and the services it provides to it's citizens, could not exist. The result would be anarchy. Certainly not the place I would want to live.

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Could it be that they made everyone realise, that what government wanted to do, by raising the debt ceiling, yet again, was wrong...That a government that keeps spending money that it does not have is fiscally irresponsible?

No you would have an incorrect understanding of the debt ceiling. They HAD to increase it. The debt ceiling limits the ability of the government to borrow money to pay existing obligations. Had they not done that, the government would have defaulted. For the first time in history. Think if it like you unable to borrow money to pay your existing house payment and car payment, if you didn't, you would be in default on those obligations. The federal government has never done that. It has enough credit to borrow money to pay those existing bills. Going bankrupt (or default in the case of the goverment) is NOT an option. It is much MUCH worse than simply borrowing money. That does not make it irresponsible but fiscally sound by paying it's bills at least in the short term. The finance community agreed.

What you're complaining about is future spending. In order to get that in better shape, more revenue needs raised and spending curtailed.

Now they have become convenient scapegoats for everything fiscal. 38 members of the House of Representatives out of 435 total (and let's not forget the 100 Senators).

You would have to ask your Republican leaders about why they are allowing the Teaparty to shape the agenda. The real answer is "getting re-elected". The non-TP will do anything, say anything, and agree to anything to get re-elected.

The American economy sucks right now, that's a fact. To blame it on 38 members of Congress is just ridiculous. Then of course there are the Bush Tax Cuts, another Liberal mantra. We're going to hear about this one, until Hell freezes over. Bush has been out of office for three years. Get over it, already.

I guess again you don't understand. They are called the "Bush tax cuts" because they were passed during the Bush admin. They STILL exist. They reduced revenue significantly. How can you claim to believe the economy sucks and not understand that a major component is the Bush tax cuts. It's not a mantra. It's a fact. It has nothing to do with "blaming" Bush.

I keep hearing that the rich should pay more taxes. Well, wouldn't that be nice? But which rich are you talking about? The billionaires who inherited all their dollars? Or the Americans who parlayed their education and drive into money and entrepreneurial enterprise that benefits everyone? Or maybe professionals who are finally seeing their college loans bear fruit? These people already pay the majority of taxes in this country, and let's not forget, that because of our economical woes, there are less rich people in this country.

again incorrect. The rich have increased their wealth and income while the middle class and lower class have decreased or remained stagnant. You are thinking about middle class entreprenueurs not the real rich. The actual wealth and income in the US is controlled by .01 percent or about 400 families. It's a common misperception about who really has the majority of wealth and income in the US.

The American People need to get over the 'gimmee' mentality fostered by Liberal socialist policies. Thinking that Uncle Sam will take care of them from cradle to grave, is just not feasible.

Please clarify? You mean we as a society should not help the poor? It should not have a military? Protect the environment? Flood control? Soil conservation? Air control? Roads? What part is not feasible?

but in the long run it will be better for the individual and better for the country.

no. It would make us less able to compete in the world. Something that is already happening. We are one of very few western countries that doesn't take care if it's citizens health care and has no guaranteed vacations.

We need to quit the blame game and come up with real solutions to our problems. Quit spending money on BS bureaucracies and social programs, make our country business friendly again, so corporations will start hiring people and our country can start collecting revenue from the proudly employed again. Quit rewarding politicians for pandering to special interests and let's quit treating war as a lucrative business and get out of it.

"blame game"? What "BS bureaucracies and social programs" do you refer? Specifically? The real solutions according to you - dictator? The solutions involve compromise. Something that our congress is supposed to do. Having the TEA PARTY say they will NOT compromise anything is EXACTLY what is wrong.

Our problems have been mounting for a long time. Quit blaming a party of brand new enthusiastic American politicians, that weren't even around for most of them. Like the Tea Party or not, at least they're trying!

They are not trying. They are REFUSING. That's not trying. It's abdicating their responsibility.

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