DC09 Posted September 5, 2004 #1 Share Posted September 5, 2004 An extremist Islamic cleric based in Britain said yesterday that he would support hostage-taking at British schools if carried out by terrorists with a just cause. Omar Bakri Mohammed, the spiritual leader of the extremist sect al-Muhajiroun, said that holding women and children hostage would be a reasonable course of action for a Muslim who has suffered under British rule. In an interview with The Sunday Telegraph, Mr Mohammed said: "If an Iraqi Muslim carried out an attack like that in Britain, it would be justified because Britain has carried out acts of terrorism in Iraq. "As long as the Iraqi did not deliberately kill women and children, and they were killed in the crossfire, that would be okay." Mr Mohammed, 44, who lives in Edmonton, north London, but is originally from Syria, also claimed that the Chechen rebels were not responsible for the deaths of more than 350 people - at least half of them children - who are so far known to have died in Beslan. "The Mujahideen [Chechen rebels] would not have wanted to kill those people, because it is strictly forbidden as a Muslim to deliberately kill women and children. It is the fault of the Russians," he said. The father of seven came to Britain in 1985 after being deported from Saudi Arabia because of his membership of a banned group. He has since been given leave by the Home Office to remain in Britain for five years but the Government is reviewing his status. He gave an interview yesterday to promote a "celebratory" conference in London next Saturday to commemorate the third anniversary of the September 11 attacks. Andrew Dismore, the Labour MP for Hendon, was infuriated by Mr Mohammed's comments. "That sounds to me like incitement and I will report him to Scotland Yard," he said. "It is an insult to most moderate Muslims, who are sick of people like this claiming to represent them." Article Oh-My-God. Deport him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnSide Posted September 5, 2004 #2 Share Posted September 5, 2004 Deport him? SHOOT him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC09 Posted September 5, 2004 Author #3 Share Posted September 5, 2004 Deport him? SHOOT him. 255903[/snapback] That works too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnSide Posted September 5, 2004 #4 Share Posted September 5, 2004 "As long as the Iraqi did not deliberately kill women and children, and they were killed in the crossfire, that would be okay." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snuffypuffer Posted September 5, 2004 #5 Share Posted September 5, 2004 This guy is free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zukie&jim Posted September 5, 2004 #6 Share Posted September 5, 2004 shoot him--thats too good for um--get a rope !!! wheres the hot tar and feathers ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted September 5, 2004 #7 Share Posted September 5, 2004 Why has this man and his followers not been arrested by the Secret Police and been sent to a Secret Military Prision for torture and interegation kept secret from the bleeding hearts who'll demand they have a fair trail; only, after we got ever scrap of information out of them, for them to be secretly executed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zukie&jim Posted September 5, 2004 #8 Share Posted September 5, 2004 yeppers--- this is outrageous. i'm sure somebody over there is watching though-- i just can't imagine that there hasn't been something done about it (yet). maybe he will win all expense paid tropical island vacation of a lifetime in cuba---LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing_Dumplings Posted September 5, 2004 #9 Share Posted September 5, 2004 how...how the hell does this make ANY sence in that crazy mans mind...i mean how can he think that?! and agree?!? is he insane?! does he have 1/2 of his flippin brain missing?! did his pop drop him on his head or feed him mercury pumped tuna his whole life?!!?!? you ever hear of those "murder pits" back in the middle ages? where the enemy would cross the draw bridge..and walk through the gate...only to find them selves being drenched in boiling oil or tar??? yeah...bring those back...pour boiling tar over his head! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted September 5, 2004 #10 Share Posted September 5, 2004 yeppers--- this is outrageous. i'm sure somebody over there is watching though-- i just can't imagine that there hasn't been something done about it (yet). Eh? Of course nothing will be done look at Hamza, he did this kinda stuff for two years, and they only made a move when the US demanded they get him for terrorism charges. See, under mutli-culturalism, if he beleives its okay to kill children to make a point, we have to respect and value that as a cultural asset. ... despite the fact that what we should be doing is sending the secret police round to the house of every person he ever spoke to and do searches for guns and bombs or extremist propoganda, arresting those individuals whose premises contain thus, and torturing them for their sources, and then going and doing the same to each person they name. And so peice by peice, the whole web begins to come untangled, so it can be crushed into the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zukie&jim Posted September 5, 2004 #11 Share Posted September 5, 2004 man--that is a depressing thought--- if that is the case-- you got to live with him --untill he blows up a kindergarden or elementary school ! don't you just love "multicultralism "-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted September 5, 2004 #12 Share Posted September 5, 2004 you got to live with him --untill he blows up a kindergarden or elementary school ! pretty much, oh MI5 will probably demand he be deported, like they Hamza, but the Home Office will just ignore them, or if he is deported, give him tax payers money to put up appeals lasting for years. don't you just love "multicultralism "-- Indeed, that and our 'criminals are victims too' court system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lottie Posted September 5, 2004 #13 Share Posted September 5, 2004 (edited) FFS!! This terrifies me and makes me friggin mad, angry, livid...wheres a shotgun when you need one! Why the hell have they not arrested him? Just adds weight to my argument that we need to gather these a$$hole$ together and ship them out! Get rid. Either that or I am pretty sure there will be alot of people in the UK will not stand for these kinds of threats anymore and do something themselves.. Edited September 5, 2004 by Lottie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted September 5, 2004 #14 Share Posted September 5, 2004 Why the hell have they not arrested him? Just adds weight to my argument that we need to gather these a$$hole$ together and ship them out! Get rid. Cause the UK government (be it under Labour or Conservatives) has no b*lls. They are incapable of doing something right, because they beleive he can say something as much as he likes, but they can only punish him when he actually does it. Either that or I am pretty sure there will be alot of people in the UK will not stand for these kinds of threats anymore and do something themselves.. Most of the people I work with are sure they'll be a revolt against the pathetic attitude of our country soon enough... just nobody seems to be doing anything about it. First Hamza declares all muslims should rise up and kill all white people in Britain. The government ignores it. Second, some b*stard rapes a 13 month old baby. He gets 5 years in jail. Third, the Asyulm issue is considered out of control by most of the population. The government tells us they'll get round to it later. Fourth, some sick peice of human waste says murdering children is okay for making religious and political points. The government waves it off. Fifth, - the people get sick and overthrow the bleeding-hearts and introduce someone who is in touch with notion of 'do unto others, before they do unto you'.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snuffypuffer Posted September 5, 2004 #15 Share Posted September 5, 2004 I'm torn, see, I'm all for civil liberties, and you should have the right to say any damned thing you want. But I also absolutely despise fundamentalist shitheads who advocate holding schoolchildren hostage to make some idiotic political statement. I say let him say whatever he wants, and deal with the consequences when he mysteriously disappears on his way to his rally and ends up found floating face down in a sewer system somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lottie Posted September 5, 2004 #16 Share Posted September 5, 2004 (edited) i know this sounds maybe crazy and radical and I cannot believe I am saying this...but maybe if it were ever possible.. electing the BNP just for the moment would not be such a bad idea right now. Edited September 5, 2004 by Lottie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted September 6, 2004 #17 Share Posted September 6, 2004 I rather not have those fascist Nazi b*stards in power. I mean barring white English people is their anyone they don't hate? Scots, Wlesh, North Irish, blacks, Asians etc would become second class citizens if they had their way. But I do hope they continue to get support to scare the major parties into actually doing something. Then we can exterminate them once the terrorist problem is over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lottie Posted September 6, 2004 #18 Share Posted September 6, 2004 (edited) I rather not have those fascist Nazi b*stards in power. I mean barring white English people is their anyone they don't hate? Scots, Wlesh, North Irish, blacks, Asians etc would become second class citizens if they had their way. But I do hope they continue to get support to scare the major parties into actually doing something. Then we can exterminate them once the terrorist problem is over Talon, don't get me wrong I absoloutely agree with you and my thoughts in my last post are extreme, not that I would want them in goverment but our goverment are fart arsing around and not doing anything. I also agree there will be a revolt, the more people I speak to about this the more I see how fed up they are with the whole situation. And then the problem is that if a minority of people do decide to take a stance against these animals they will be the one's in court facing charges and prison. The people in the UK are in a very bad and weak postion and these animals know it and are getting away with it!! It makes me furious! Edited September 6, 2004 by Lottie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted September 6, 2004 #19 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Talon, don't get me wrong I absoloutely agree with you and my thoughts in my last post are extreme, not that I would want them in goverment but our goverment are fart arsing around and not doing anything. Don't worry I know what your saying, I even thought it myself, but then I thought that getting fascists to fight fascists is good in theory (having them wipe out each other and we get a world left without either), but then I though that they'd take out to many innocents in the process. Personally, I'd rather find a way to get rid of the Islamic fascists threat without resorting to a government being placed in power, which although will do the job, will also make attacks on the indigenious Celts, and peaceful Chinese, Japanese etc The only good thing that would come out of the BNP gaining power is it might terrify in celts in breaking away from Britain and entering the European Superstate. I also agree there will be a revolt, the more people I speak to about this the more I see how fed up they are with the whole situation. Yeah, we need more left-wing politics in social issues, more right-wing politics in crime and punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted September 6, 2004 #20 Share Posted September 6, 2004 (edited) hey at least in the US, the gentelman would be in guantanamo quicker than you can say "mohammad", shame Australian liberals and their bleeding hearts seem to get in the way of catching the guys llike that over here. Edited November 16, 2004 by Kismit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted September 6, 2004 #21 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Thats why we have this problem in the first place, somehow our societies have lost the will to defend ourselves from criminals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtemperate Posted September 6, 2004 #22 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Bathory...who exactly are you referring to?? Who is it that hasnt been caught exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seraphina Posted September 6, 2004 #23 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Omar Bakri Mohammed, the spiritual leader of the extremist sect al-Muhajiroun, said that holding women and children hostage would be a reasonable course of action for a Muslim who has suffered under British rule. .... .... ............You know, it's scum bags like this that have just gotten me to the stage that I don't want them in my country. I don't want any of them in my country. I'm sick of being PC, I'm sick of being a second class citizen in my own home, I'm sick of children not being able to celebrate christmas in schools, I'm sick of FILTH like this being free to say any crap they like, and the government ***** footing around it. Arrest him, interrogate him, hang him. What happened in that school is, in my mind, the absolute worst terrorist attack there has ever been...It might not have the death toll of 9/11, but the fact that it was designed to deliberately target children....it's sickening. It's sinking to the an absolutely new low, and it's just gotten me to the point where I want to wall off the middle east, and tell them they can come out when they're human. And to think we have this kind of scum back at home too....just...no words whatsoever to voice how disgusted I am at this guy. None whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffybunny Posted September 6, 2004 #24 Share Posted September 6, 2004 [sarcasm] It would just be an awful shame if he and his buddies were to have an accident... [/sarcasm] As sick a b****** as this guy is; it is the best thing in the world to finally get many people to see how disturbed this bunch actually is. The guy is pretty much the poster child for scum that need to be wiped off the face of the earth in the most unpleasant fashion available. I think that the rest of the muslim world had better start being extremely vocal as to where their loyalties are; as I said in the other thread, the silence from the muslim world in regards the people like this and the b******* involved in the russian school incident is rather underwhelming at this point. While the rest of the civilized world looks on in disgust and fear at what has been happening lately(punctuated by the childrens death in russia), I see the lack of condemnation by the rest of the muslim world as something just shy of support of these methods. If I were the leader of a muslim nation I would be all over the news denouncing what the chechyan seperatist have done as disgusting and vile; I haven't seen that as of yet. It wont take too many more attacks of this caliber to cause a backlash against the muslim world that will be unlike anything that they could have ever expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtemperate Posted September 6, 2004 #25 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Islamic leaders in the Middle East yesterday denounced the slaughter of children in Russia as 'unIslamic', as commentators asked unusually soul-searching questions about the region and terrorism. Even the outlawed Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt's biggest Islamic group, condemned the bloody siege in Beslan. Its leader, Mohammed Mahdi Akef, said that kidnappings may be justified but killings are not. He added: 'What happened is not jihad [holy war] because Islam obligates us to respect the souls of human beings; it is not about taking them away.' While some Islamic fundamentalists in the Middle East have long supported fellow Muslims fighting in Chechnya, such was the barbarity of the hostage takers that few voices spoke in support of the actions in Ossetia. Egypt's leading Muslim cleric, Grand Sheik Mohammed Sayed Tantawi, was quoted as saying during a Friday sermon: 'What is the guilt of those children? Why should they be responsible for your conflict with the government? You are taking Islam as a cover and it is a deceptive cover; those who carry out the kidnappings are criminals, not Muslims.' Ali Abdullah, an Islamic scholar in Bahrain who follows the ultra-conservative Salafi stream of Islam, also condemned the school attack as 'unIslamic'. However, he insisted Muslims were not involved and revived an old conspiracy theory: 'I have no doubt that this is the work of the Israelis, who want to tarnish the image of Muslims.' But the reaction was overwhelmingly filled with revulsion. Abdulrahman al-Rashed wrote an article in the pan-Arab Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper under the headline: 'The Painful Truth: All World Terrorists are Muslims!' Al-Rashed said that Muslims will not be able to cleanse their image unless 'we admit the scandalous facts... Our terrorist sons are an end-product of our corrupted culture. The picture is humiliating, painful and harsh for all of us.' His extraordinary critique was echoed by Ahmed Bahgat, an Egyptian Islamist. Writing in the pro-government newspaper, Al-Ahram , he said hostage-takers in Russia and Iraq are only harming Islam. 'If all the enemies of Islam united and decided to harm it... they wouldn't have ruined and harmed its image as much as the sons of Islam have done by their stupidity, miscalculations and misunderstanding.' Horrifying images of the dead and wounded students 'showed Muslims as monsters who are fed by the blood of children and the pain of their families'. This is from all sorts of sources..... but mainly this... http://observer.guardian.co.uk/internation...1297664,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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