AztecInca Posted September 6, 2004 #26 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Right now, Ive packed a bag full of medieval torture devices and am planning on visiting this cleric for a nice long chat. What the hell are you talking about bathory, which people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikl Posted September 6, 2004 #27 Share Posted September 6, 2004 (edited) ... Even the outlawed Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt's biggest Islamic group, condemned the bloody siege in Beslan. Its leader, Mohammed Mahdi Akef, said that kidnappings may be justified but killings are not. He added: 'What happened is not jihad [holy war] because Islam obligates us to respect the souls of human beings; it is not about taking them away.' Yet they did the same thing in Israel back in 1974 - took control over an Israeli school and murdered 21 innocent little children ! Hypocryts!!! Edited September 6, 2004 by Erikl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted September 6, 2004 #28 Share Posted September 6, 2004 'we admit the scandalous facts... Our terrorist sons are an end-product of our corrupted culture. The picture is humiliating, painful and harsh for all of us.' This is closest thing that article had to condemnation. The rest was its not us, someone's trying to frame us, these people were criminals and had nothing to do with Islam, and this was UnIslamic and so Islam had nothing to do with it and we can effective turn a blindeye. And so forth and so forth. An talk about respect for the soul and this wasn't Jihad, get bent! It doesn't matter if Jihad actually means struggle or whatever, the fact is its now used to describe going out and killing non-muslims, and is the result of the funamental aspects of your ideology, and your refusal to even admit that shows that you'll do nothing to try and stop it happening again. Even the outlawed Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt's biggest Islamic group, condemned the bloody siege in Beslan. Its leader, Mohammed Mahdi Akef, said that kidnappings may be justified but killings are not. He added: 'What happened is not jihad [holy war] because Islam obligates us to respect the souls of human beings; it is not about taking them away.' Yet they did the same thing in Israel back in 1974 - took control over an Israeli school and murdered 21 innocent little children ! Hypocryts!!! Of course their hyprocites, because they would have done the exact same thing if they could have. And all that crap about Islam respecting souls, when its a terrorist group iself does kill people is an absolute joke. The only reason their saying anything, is because their scared that this is only going to further bring the world down on the heads of fascist b*stards like themselves. I hope the governments of the world take the correct attitude, that its to late for groups like this is distance themselves from mass murder committed by their fellows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted September 6, 2004 #29 Share Posted September 6, 2004 4 more years to bring their world crashing down on them heheh my first piece of stupid campaign whoring:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted September 6, 2004 #30 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Or four more years for Bush to do something which will make people lose symapthy for its case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunarmdscissor Posted September 6, 2004 #31 Share Posted September 6, 2004 How this man can get away with saying things like this in public after the weekend i appaling. Well you know what? They want be so loud when the BNP (god forbid it) take power. And do u know what muslims will have themselves to blame, for allowing these idioots to speak on their behalf. you know there is only so many threats about our children we can take before enough is enough. Its gonna end up with mass deportations. One school siege in the UK and their roof will collapse on them. They have no idea of the hatred they are allowing to be stirred up just now in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted September 6, 2004 #32 Share Posted September 6, 2004 One terrorist attack on the UK, and I think their would blood on the streets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunarmdscissor Posted September 6, 2004 #33 Share Posted September 6, 2004 This is what i mean about muslim's not really standing against terrorism. They allow these men to speak out on their behalf. DO you think the catholic or protestand faith would allow a man to get such high exposure saying such hateful things??? I dont think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted September 6, 2004 #34 Share Posted September 6, 2004 DO you think the catholic or protestand faith would allow a man to get such high exposure saying such hateful things??? No, I think they'd throw him out of the church and excomunicate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunarmdscissor Posted September 6, 2004 #35 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Exactly and this would happen in any other faith. Simply im begining to really doubt that the moslem faith is as peace loving as they say. I dont even care how bad that sounded, because if they allow their clerics to spout evil verbal diaorrhea like that then they deserve all the hatred we can surmount vack. They could easily stop this guy, they could put an end to his hate mongering crap. They are allowing him to creat suicide bombers and kidnappers, we should be allowed to stop them ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted September 6, 2004 #36 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Well at work we were all taking about how evil the terrorists were, tempers ran high, two even proposed wiping the Chechnyan race off the planet. Others talking about going into ever house and killing any with weapons etc etc. However, Hassan, the single Muslim in Asda however just kept eating and tried to change the subject to Cricket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunarmdscissor Posted September 6, 2004 #37 Share Posted September 6, 2004 And that is typical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lottie Posted September 6, 2004 #38 Share Posted September 6, 2004 (edited) One terrorist attack on the UK, and I think their would blood on the streets Better believe it. Today again I have been speaking to people and these people are getting mad! I was in a location today where many many Muslims live and I noticed as I was sitting in a traffic jam the pure hatred that was showing on the street to these people. I was glad to get out! There is no way that if what happened in that school happened here people would sit back and let the law/goverment decide...it would be a bloody mess and unfortunately I would support it all the way. To add to this i never thought I would feel like this. I mean this is what it has come to. Many people in that location are normal people who lead normal lives but when our country is threatened like this and not one Muslim will stand up and say NO this is wrong...what do you do? Edited September 6, 2004 by Lottie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikl Posted September 6, 2004 #39 Share Posted September 6, 2004 So, Talon, are you willing to bet that next elections in Russia the neo-Fascists get elected if Putin doesn't revange those children's death in a way that will satisfy the russian people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted September 6, 2004 #40 Share Posted September 6, 2004 So, Talon, are you willing to bet that next elections in Russia the neo-Fascists get elected if Putin doesn't revange those children's death in a way that will satisfy the russian people? no, I know your obssessed with this idea that Russia is about to turn Nazi, but I don't. Oh, and speak of the devil Terror Alert just started on Sky One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikl Posted September 6, 2004 #41 Share Posted September 6, 2004 no, I know your obssessed with this idea that Russia is about to turn Nazi, but I don't. I'm not obssesed at all - I'm just afraid of what is to come. All the conditions are there: poverty, young and inexperience democracy, corruption, dislike of the democratic system, need of a strong leader to take care of a threat, threat comming from a local hated minority. And to add it all - the rise of neo-Nazism in Russia. If these problems won't be faced with - there's not much of a future to a democratic and non-facsist Russia. And returning to Communism is unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted September 6, 2004 #42 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Indeed they have all the elements which usually bring about a fascist state, but considering how long they went under dictatorship, I doubt they would willing vote one into power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikl Posted September 6, 2004 #43 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Well Putin's way of governing is far from being a democracy - with all juristictions in the hands of the president, and the cancellation of the right to protest in public places, and also the not-so-democratic-elections - Russia is a quasi-dictatorship already... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted September 6, 2004 #44 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Oh nobody said it was perfect, but its no USSR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikl Posted September 6, 2004 #45 Share Posted September 6, 2004 (edited) considering how long they went under dictatorship, I doubt they would willing vote one into power. This must have been said by someone about the Weimar republic some 70 years ago - being that Germany before being a republic was a monarchy, Germany was a democracy for only 15 years, then the public voted a dictatorship into power.... Edited September 6, 2004 by Erikl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted September 6, 2004 #46 Share Posted September 6, 2004 True, but the Kaiser didn't murder 50 million of his own people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikl Posted September 6, 2004 #47 Share Posted September 6, 2004 (edited) Who knows? With the monarchy rulling Germany for a 1,000 years, then another 50 years, many peasents must have died from starvation because the nobles took all the money to build new palaces or to fund their wars with their brother-in-blood nobles of a neighboring kingdom... maybe it all adds to 50 million Edited September 6, 2004 by Erikl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoPar Posted September 7, 2004 #48 Share Posted September 7, 2004 One terrorist attack on the UK, and I think their would blood on the streets Better believe it. Today again I have been speaking to people and these people are getting mad! I was in a location today where many many Muslims live and I noticed as I was sitting in a traffic jam the pure hatred that was showing on the street to these people. I was glad to get out! There is no way that if what happened in that school happened here people would sit back and let the law/goverment decide...it would be a bloody mess and unfortunately I would support it all the way. 256889[/snapback] What stops those people from doing something about the cleric who wants to target your children? Is therea need to wait for a school to be attacked in the neighborhood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted September 7, 2004 #49 Share Posted September 7, 2004 What stops those people from doing something about the cleric who wants to target your children? Is therea need to wait for a school to be attacked in the neighborhood? Its called the law. Vigilantism is illegal over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted September 7, 2004 #50 Share Posted September 7, 2004 (edited) Apparently they are thinking of kicking him out the country, however he has 7 children who will apparently be allowed to remain living on tax-payers money each. GET BENT! Throw them all out! Edited September 7, 2004 by Talon S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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