psyche101 Posted November 17, 2011 #51 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Turtle shell gap? The more I look at it, the more it looks like a man in a suit. I don't know why I ever entertained the idea that it could be real. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt121 Posted November 17, 2011 #52 Share Posted November 17, 2011 (edited) Not every expert costume designer believes the PGF film is real. In fact check out the 2007 episode of Best Evidence where legendary special effects and make up designer Dick Smith not only says the Bigfoot suit is fake he even calls it amateur at best, he even gives his reasons, one of which was the way the fur looks he doesn't think it looks like real fur. Rick Baker who is also a special effects and make up expert also believes that it is just a suit. So where are all these make up designers that believe the film is real? Edited November 17, 2011 by Matt121 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
River Posted November 17, 2011 Author #53 Share Posted November 17, 2011 When I was researching the film, I found only one proponent of the films authenticity that worked in the makeup/suit industry. I found 10 well known makeup/suit guys that thought it was a guy in a suit. (i made a list of them at some point, but it escapes me at the moment and i got tired of the he said she said stuff a long time ago lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted November 18, 2011 #54 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Not every expert costume designer believes the PGF film is real. In fact check out the 2007 episode of Best Evidence where legendary special effects and make up designer Dick Smith not only says the Bigfoot suit is fake he even calls it amateur at best, he even gives his reasons, one of which was the way the fur looks he doesn't think it looks like real fur. Rick Baker who is also a special effects and make up expert also believes that it is just a suit. So where are all these make up designers that believe the film is real? Exactly. One person (Bill Munns) claims it is not a suit, so the rest suddenly do not exist. The word Verne Langdon used to describe it was "crappy". When I was researching the film, I found only one proponent of the films authenticity that worked in the makeup/suit industry. I found 10 well known makeup/suit guys that thought it was a guy in a suit. (i made a list of them at some point, but it escapes me at the moment and i got tired of the he said she said stuff a long time ago lol) That would have to be Bill Munns, I do not know of another suit proponent from the business. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
River Posted November 18, 2011 Author #55 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Exactly. One person (Bill Munns) claims it is not a suit, so the rest suddenly do not exist. The word Verne Langdon used to describe it was "crappy". That would have to be Bill Munns, I do not know of another suit proponent from the business. Correct. I speak with him fairly often via email. Very nice gentleman and well educated. You might might not expect to hear that from me but just because myself and him have differing opinions about the film doesn't mean I don't like him or have a lot of respect for his work in the film industry. I've found him to be very approachable and willing to engage in thoughtful dialogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kratos of War Posted November 19, 2011 #56 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Patterson isn't in front of where the other track is. That is what the diagrams are for. There is one showing a single frame that has both prints in it - showing their spatial relationship in the scene. The following track (the 4/4 in the 4 track footage) was not there during the footage of Patterson making the cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted November 21, 2011 #57 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Correct. I speak with him fairly often via email. Very nice gentleman and well educated. You might might not expect to hear that from me but just because myself and him have differing opinions about the film doesn't mean I don't like him or have a lot of respect for his work in the film industry. I've found him to be very approachable and willing to engage in thoughtful dialogue. Not at all, I too greatly respect Mr Munn's and his expertise, and I have read his extensive threads at the BFF. I found his prose excellent, great attitude, and his information mostly helpful, I just found a couple of small, but crucial discrepancies. That is about all I could say about the man. I certainly could not fault his character, and it is obvious that his experience is plenty, it is just there are more ways to skin a cat than the instructions in Bill's thread at the BFF cover. Thoughtful is an excellent description IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
River Posted November 27, 2011 Author #58 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Here's a quick sketch I made outlining how I feel the suit could have been made. (pure speculation of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
River Posted November 27, 2011 Author #59 Share Posted November 27, 2011 (edited) The weird sideways looking knee. X marks the spot. Like nothing in nature. Edited November 27, 2011 by River Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted November 29, 2011 #60 Share Posted November 29, 2011 The weird sideways looking knee. X marks the spot. Like nothing in nature. I think the quality of the film is hard to determine much from, it is so grainy that one can read almost anything into it. Bt there s no getting around the butt diaper. Large enough to see it is patently a ridiculous rear end. That is fake as fake can be. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agishe Posted August 4, 2017 #61 Share Posted August 4, 2017 More than once I saw attempts to reconstruct the gait of "Patty", in all cases except one (Best Evidence: Bigfoot 2007), the experimenters recognized the non-reproducibility of the gait. In my opinion, no one took into account the condition and type of soil, that significantly affect the gait. Also, the individual data of the actor in the gorilla-costume in most cases wasn't taken into account. I decided to try to find in real life a person, that behaves naturally and fit in the structure of a figure of Patty, and does not imitate anyone. Where to find Patty? (Debunk Patterson-Gimlin Film) 1080px 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agishe Posted August 8, 2017 #62 Share Posted August 8, 2017 21 degrees between You... and football player: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurzweil Posted August 10, 2017 #63 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Yeah but what's the score? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agishe Posted August 10, 2017 #64 Share Posted August 10, 2017 46 minutes ago, Kurzweil said: Yeah but what's the score? 21 degrees between Bigfoot and You Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted August 10, 2017 #65 Share Posted August 10, 2017 6 years between the start of this thread and now. Still we are no further in proving bigfoot is real. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted August 12, 2017 #66 Share Posted August 12, 2017 On 8/10/2017 at 4:51 AM, Myles said: 6 years between the start of this thread and now. Still we are no further in proving bigfoot is real. And only 3 pages to show for it.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agishe Posted August 24, 2017 #67 Share Posted August 24, 2017 On 10.08.2017 at 9:44 AM, Agishe said: 21 degrees between Bigfoot and You Repost (Photo bucket Concealed Photos) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted August 25, 2017 #68 Share Posted August 25, 2017 On 11/28/2011 at 6:04 PM, psyche101 said: I think the quality of the film is hard to determine much from, it is so grainy that one can read almost anything into it. Bt there s no getting around the butt diaper. Large enough to see it is patently a ridiculous rear end. That is fake as fake can be. I do agree with Psyche about the butt. That is a weird looking butt. Probably the most compelling bit to point at it being a suit. I think the white feet can be explained, and the saggy baggy can be explained, but not the weird looking rear end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted August 26, 2017 #69 Share Posted August 26, 2017 On 8/24/2017 at 9:16 PM, DieChecker said: I do agree with Psyche about the butt. That is a weird looking butt. Probably the most compelling bit to point at it being a suit. I think the white feet can be explained, and the saggy baggy can be explained, but not the weird looking rear end. I don't know there are billions of people on this planet, what are the odds of finding a couple of people that walk a certain way. jmccr8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agishe Posted January 20, 2018 #70 Share Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) Join scenes in PGF. "Patty" was shot not at once. Traces of editing in PGF At 18 sec (low speed) Edited January 20, 2018 by Agishe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldrover Posted January 20, 2018 #71 Share Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Agishe said: Join scenes in PGF. "Patty" was shot not at once. Traces of editing in PGF At 18 sec (low speed) Can't see it myself. Besides which, why would they need to edit that? It's an awful piece of film the bigfoot believers automatically edit in their own minds anyway. Edited January 20, 2018 by oldrover 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agishe Posted January 20, 2018 #72 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Quote Can't see it myself. Besides which, why would they need to edit that? Came to the right leg. Stand for a while, and started also with the right. This can only be a reference point for further editing. It also indicates that "Patty" was walking along a certain trajectory and filming not was the one-time event (for editing). Quote t's an awful piece of film the bigfoot believers automatically edit in their own minds anyway. We have never seen the original... anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Walker Posted January 20, 2018 #73 Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Agishe said: Came to the right leg. Stand for a while, and started also with the right. This can only be a reference point for further editing. It also indicates that "Patty" was walking along a certain trajectory and filming not was the one-time event (for editing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Piney Posted January 20, 2018 #75 Share Posted January 20, 2018 The person in the film doesn't move like anything or anybody that lives or works in the woods. Case closed! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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