jules99 Posted December 3, 2011 #26 Share Posted December 3, 2011 They've been covered with topsoil for as long as they've been known. Wikipedia cites references going back to 1914. cite We know they've been covered at least since 1947, 2 years prior to the establishment of the current communist rule. Definitely since the 70's when the terracotta army was found. Speaking of which, I don't know where you're getting this idea they're being hidden. The mound tombs of china and their contents, especially that of Qin Shi Huang Ti, have been the subject of enormous publicity and ongoing excavations for decades, and continue to be. I imagine they don't allow foreigners to investigate them for the same reason England doesn't allow any tom dick and harry with a mind to to ransack the tombs of their rulers as they will. In light of their more recent history, they might be permitted some reticence regarding the West. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_of_humiliation The plantings as far as I can tell are an attempt to restore earlier ones removed over the centuries. You'd think if they were trying to conceal them they've have done a better job then to leave nice squared-off sides. If these pyramids are earth mounds then they would be subject to erosion. Tree planting might have something to do with stabilizing the soil and preventing erosion and preserving the mounds. Im not certain, its just a suggestion.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Der Box Skeptisch Posted December 3, 2011 #27 Share Posted December 3, 2011 If these pyramids are earth mounds then they would be subject to erosion. Tree planting might have something to do with stabilizing the soil and preventing erosion and preserving the mounds. Im not certain, its just a suggestion.. That is something with substance to consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oniomancer Posted December 3, 2011 #28 Share Posted December 3, 2011 If these pyramids are earth mounds then they would be subject to erosion. Tree planting might have something to do with stabilizing the soil and preventing erosion and preserving the mounds. Im not certain, its just a suggestion.. I actually considered that. If you look at the overhead shot above, you can even see lines of erosion running down the side facing the entrance. Link I noticed earlier while googling showing what appears be the same mound from the front: http://www.minervaeducation.com/china/han/hanhistory.htm Looks like most of it's right along the path people would take if they were climbing to the top for sightseeing. Another reason people are being kept away from them? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted December 3, 2011 #29 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Stop making sense! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRW Posted December 4, 2011 #30 Share Posted December 4, 2011 (edited) nonsense guys its widely known that they are covering up the pyramids pull your heads out of your asses and wake up to the truth thats theres a massive cover up and don't believe everything u read in wiki, those morons lie all the time Edited December 4, 2011 by LRW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oniomancer Posted December 4, 2011 #31 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Um...question, If they're working so hard to cover them up, where are all these lovely tourist photos coming from? How is it that they're writing about them on officially sanctioned information and tourism websites? http://history.cultural-china.com/en/53History1925.html http://www.china.org.cn/english/features/atam/115005.htm http://www.visitourchina.com/guide/mausoleums_tombs_attraction.htm http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-09/03/content_371409.htm As diversionary tactics go, it seems somewhat lacking... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted December 4, 2011 #32 Share Posted December 4, 2011 I think the Chinese got inspired by what they saw in Egypt when they went there for trade. I agree:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRW Posted December 4, 2011 #33 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Um...question, If they're working so hard to cover them up, where are all these lovely tourist photos coming from? How is it that they're writing about them on officially sanctioned information and tourism websites? http://history.cultural-china.com/en/53History1925.html http://www.china.org.cn/english/features/atam/115005.htm http://www.visitourchina.com/guide/mausoleums_tombs_attraction.htm http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-09/03/content_371409.htm As diversionary tactics go, it seems somewhat lacking... The more they write about them, then the better, cause soon they will be invisible due to the top soil and freshly planted trees that chinese government obscures the constructions with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oniomancer Posted December 4, 2011 #34 Share Posted December 4, 2011 The more they write about them, then the better, cause soon they will be invisible due to the top soil and freshly planted trees that chinese government obscures the constructions with. The logic of this escapes me, as it's the Chinese doing the writing. I'm curious where the information about all this alleged fresh topsoil came from, since as shown, the mounds now covered all seem to have been so for at least a century. Notice the second link cites ancient sources describing the use of burial mounds. I also couldn't help but notice that so far, all the pictures showing planting seem to be of the same single mound. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damrod Posted December 4, 2011 #35 Share Posted December 4, 2011 There is little doubt of a common thread. I am, however, not hired for my scholastic thinking, I was hired to be a meat shield. I have a degree...but these folks really do't care and i see no reason to share it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRW Posted December 4, 2011 #36 Share Posted December 4, 2011 (edited) The logic of this escapes me, as it's the Chinese doing the writing. I'm curious where the information about all this alleged fresh topsoil came from, since as shown, the mounds now covered all seem to have been so for at least a century. Notice the second link cites ancient sources describing the use of burial mounds. I also couldn't help but notice that so far, all the pictures showing planting seem to be of the same single mound. The chinese government wanted the farmers to farm on top of the pyramids, its because they did not want the western world knowing about the pyramids through observation with satellites, as planting trees on top of them obscures them, makes them less apparent, they hide history because in china theres a legend that comes with the pyramids that says it was the sun gods who built them, these sun gods were blonde/red haired and blue eyed, the last thing the chinese government wanted is ancient european people being responsible for the historical architectural feats and historical knowledge in china, the ancient north african mummies are blonde,red haired blue eyed aswell, go figure, same as in south america their sun gods are light haired and blue eyed, go figure. deliberate farming with trees non asian mummie found in china, blond haired, blue eyed Edited December 4, 2011 by LRW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Link of Hyrule Posted December 4, 2011 #37 Share Posted December 4, 2011 nonsense guys its widely known that they are covering up the pyramids Define "widely known". Without citing sources, this statement means absolutely nothing! pull your heads out of your asses and wake up to the truth thats theres a massive cover upJust a note from a friendly Site Moderator - you know this attitude is just going to inflame the situation and turn people against you, right? It's this type of thing that is provoking people to see you as nothing more than a troll. If you want to be seen as more than a troll, it would be a good start to consider other people's points of view. Even if you end up disagreeing with those opinions, if you cite sources and don't abuse people for holding a difference of opinion, it can do wonders for your site image (and have the added bonus of being less likely to incur Moderator wrath). The more they write about them, then the better, cause soon they will be invisible due to the top soil and freshly planted trees that chinese government obscures the constructions with. That makes absolutely no sense. If tourism websites authorised and put out by the Chinese Governments include these pyramids as tourist attractions, then how can they be trying to hide them? Unless you are suggesting that they are waiting until the pyramids are totally obscured (a claim you have yet to prove, might I add) and then suddenly they take all the tourist information down, and hope that in a couple of generations people will have forgotten about them. As far as Occam's Razor goes, I can think of better explanations than this ~ Paranoid Android 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted December 4, 2011 #38 Share Posted December 4, 2011 ... the last thing the chinese government wanted is ancient european people being responsible for the historical architectural feats and historical knowledge in china, ... Wouldn't this have been revealed during the Cultural Revolution? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted December 4, 2011 #39 Share Posted December 4, 2011 In china they cover their pyramids with top soil and plant new trees on them to cover them up, and make it appear as though they never existed. These pyramids have always been built of earth. They might have stone chambers in them, but the mass of the pyramid is earth. Still a fantastic series of constructions. They've been covered with topsoil for as long as they've been known. Exactly! If these pyramids are earth mounds then they would be subject to erosion. Tree planting might have something to do with stabilizing the soil and preventing erosion and preserving the mounds. Im not certain, its just a suggestion.. That is what I thought. Clearly they have not tried very hard to cover the pyramids with trees, otherwise we'd not see them from the air at all. These are like 10 to 15 year old conifers, good for securing soil, bad at hiding the shape of the pyramid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christos krypto Posted December 4, 2011 Author #40 Share Posted December 4, 2011 The chinese government wanted the farmers to farm on top of the pyramids, its because they did not want the western world knowing about the pyramids through observation with satellites, as planting trees on top of them obscures them, makes them less apparent, they hide history because in china theres a legend that comes with the pyramids that says it was the sun gods who built them, these sun gods were blonde/red haired and blue eyed, the last thing the chinese government wanted is ancient european people being responsible for the historical architectural feats and historical knowledge in china, the ancient north african mummies are blonde,red haired blue eyed aswell, go figure, same as in south america their sun gods are light haired and blue eyed, go figure. deliberate farming with trees non asian mummie found in china, blond haired, blue eyed hey LRW do you know the name of the statue? or general infos? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLOMBIE Posted December 4, 2011 #41 Share Posted December 4, 2011 It's 'The superintendent Ebih-Il from Mari', currently an exhibit of the Louvre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christos krypto Posted December 4, 2011 Author #42 Share Posted December 4, 2011 (edited) It's 'The superintendent Ebih-Il from Mari', currently an exhibit of the Louvre. Thanks FLOMBIE --- this poll have close 666 views Edited December 4, 2011 by christos krypto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted September 4, 2021 #43 Share Posted September 4, 2021 On 12/1/2011 at 11:38 PM, Big Bad Voodoo said: Why you say that? I never heard that they traded (during Qin,Han and before). Or are you being cynical? Ancient Maritime Route Between India, Egypt, Africa, China (350 BC): https://www.booksfact.com/history/ancient-maritime-route-india-egypt-africa-china-350-bc.html Or: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MaritimeSilkRoad https://www.worldhistory.org/Silk_Road/ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted September 4, 2021 #44 Share Posted September 4, 2021 (edited) Recent updated essential trading port route included... Quote https://www.benarnews.org › news Malaysia's Sungai Batu Among Oldest Southeast Asian Civilizations 10 Jun 2016 — What used to be an ordinary piece of land in Malaysia's Kedah state is now creating a historical buzz, after experts recently certified that ... https://www.rollinggrace.com › sun... Sungai Batu Archaeological Site in Kedah, Malaysia - Rolling Grace 5 Nov 2019 — Southeast Asia's oldest ancient civilizations were made up of Buddhists and Hindus, and Sungai Batu is here to prove it. Sungai Batu is... https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki Sungai Batu - Wikipedia The discovery of the excavation sites within the area of 4 km2 (1.5 sq mi) in Sungai Batu, Kedah proves the existence of a prehistoric Malaysian civilization... Also known previously as Lembah Bujang... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bujang_Valley ~ Edited September 4, 2021 by third_eye Missing Link 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted September 4, 2021 #45 Share Posted September 4, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Abramelin said: Ancient Maritime Route Between India, Egypt, Africa, China (350 BC): https://www.booksfact.com/history/ancient-maritime-route-india-egypt-africa-china-350-bc.html Or: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MaritimeSilkRoad https://www.worldhistory.org/Silk_Road/ Accuracy matters in scholarship. Your link says: “Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name.” The actual link is here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_Silk_Road —Jaylemurph Edited September 4, 2021 by jaylemurph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted September 4, 2021 #46 Share Posted September 4, 2021 (edited) I am not the one here pretending to be a scholar. The link, btw., works just fine for me. Did the other links work for you? If you need help, just ask. Edited September 4, 2021 by Abramelin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Posted September 4, 2021 #47 Share Posted September 4, 2021 @Abramelin you have managed to resurrect an almost 10 year old thread, and the forum member you replied to has not been active since October 15, 2013. Just an FYI. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted September 4, 2021 #48 Share Posted September 4, 2021 I was watching a doco the other day that suggested that instead of “Silk Road” it should be called “the paper road” as that was what innovated society when it moved across the world. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted September 4, 2021 #49 Share Posted September 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: I was watching a doco the other day that suggested that instead of “Silk Road” it should be called “the paper road” as that was what innovated society when it moved across the world. Paper "Trail" Silk "Road" Even though paper was commonly available, it wasn't widely used till much later. ~ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted September 5, 2021 #50 Share Posted September 5, 2021 18 hours ago, Timothy said: @Abramelin you have managed to resurrect an almost 10 year old thread, and the forum member you replied to has not been active since October 15, 2013. Just an FYI. I know. And really: I don't care at all. I just found out something, and wanted to post it in an appropriate thread, the thread I posted in before. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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