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Govt. Activating "Fema Camps" Across U.S. A.

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DieChecker

Infowars.com has received a document originating from Halliburton subsidiary KBR that provides details on a push to outfit FEMA and U.S. Army camps around the United States. Entitled "Project Overview and Anticipated Project Requirements," the document describes services KBR is looking to farm out to subcontractors. The document was passed on to us by a state government employee who wishes to remain anonymous for obvious reasons.

Services up for bid include catering, temporary fencing and barricades, laundry and medical services, power generation, refuse collection, and other services required for temporary "emergency environment" camps located in five regions of the United States.

Maybe their just making some places for the Occupy people to go after their kicked out of their respective cities??

Yep, read about this yesterday. Look for an economic collapse probably in the next 6-10 months, the government already knows it's coming, hence the camps.

So who's going to the camps? Troublemakers? The Unemployed? The Homeless? Gypsys? Jews?

You believe you could defend yourself with your private gun against the Army, National Guard or whoever would arrest you? I doubt you could resist for very long.

Yes. Definately. The military follows an organized pattern. I was in the Army for 4 years. Any local resistance would be hard to tamp down, as no one would wear uniforms and anyone could be carrying a pistol or explosive device. I trained a bunch of national guard, did range safety dutys also. The National Guard might be better trained these days, but they were stupid bad back in 1992. We did training exercises with laser gear, where my squad (8 guys) snuck up on a company (near to 100) and wiped them out to about 50% strength and scattered the rest into the night.

Also. Many soldiers only serve 2, 3 or 4 years, right? Thus we have to conclude that there must be five or ten times as many citizens trained up to 4 years in the military, as there are soldiers currently under arms. Thus, all these people would need to do is organize (Can you say smartphone?) and gain military equipment (Raids?) and the war would stalemate pretty quick.

I think those military men and women will follow orders if it means not earning a paycheck to feed themselves and their families, well...most of them. Military may be some of the only actual jobs left that are viable after an economic collapse. There will probably be some staged event, or something that will make people willingly surrender their weapons due to some draconian law being passed as a result, you watch.

That is ridiculous. I've never meet a Servicemen who said they would fire on American citizens on purpose, or that they would fire on unarmed civilians. Paycheck or not. It is a standing order that soldiers are to disregard immoral and unlawful orders.

Well, I could see that scenario, but a bunch of civilians holding up against trained soldiers? No way.

But you have to take into context that soldiers are also trained to follow orders, especially those they do not like personally. I am pretty sure in a situation like this, there would be many deserters, and the reaction of lots of soldiers will be about how will be delt with those 'traitors'. It will also be ensured that these soldiers are made to believe they do the right thing. In times like that, it's always about what you believe.

I suspect it would go something like Libya, where a large percentage of the national military would surrender, or switch sides. I don't think Obama would go as far as bringing in Mexican, NATO or UN soldiers to enforce his Will, so the civil war would be over quickly.

You also have to take into account foreign armies and mercenaries. Also the use of foreign nationals in the military. Doesn't look or sound like a problem now. But when they can pluck people out of 3rd world nations and offer them a paycheck more than they could ever earn in a lifetime...

When I was in the Army, you did not need to be a US citizen to join. You only had to have proof of a high school level education. I knew a lot of guys that were not citizens. One was from Columbia, one Guiana, one Costa Rica, I think even one guy was Cuban. Maybe that has changed, but I don't think so.

Citizenship Requirements

U.S. citizens or Permanent Resident Aliens (people who have an INS I-151/I-551 “Green Card”) may join the U.S. Military. For more information about citizenship, visit the U.S. Immigration and Nationalization (INS) website.

Noncitizens may enlist. However, each Service has its own enlistment requirements for noncitizens. Contact a recruiter for more advice on a specific situation.

http://www.todaysmilitary.com/before-serving-in-the-military/military-entrance-requirements

why would they be inviting contracts for stocking food, manning the camps, laundry, clothing, security services, etc. think about it.

Why does the government pay 200 dollars for a hammer? Pork spending my friend. If they don't spend it, they don't get it again next year. Thus they have to spend it. When I was in the Army, I was a range safety for rifle training. We would very routinely stay several extra hours after the training was done, firing off tens, or hundreds, of thousands of rounds, because if we didn't we'd not get that much next year. It was pretty cool to do at the 50 cal range. Sometimes we'd make entire belts of nothing but tracer rounds.

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Little Fish
Why does the government pay 200 dollars for a hammer? Pork spending my friend. If they don't spend it, they don't get it again next year
this is not the military or government contracting out, this is a private corporation Kellog Brown and Root subcontracting out to other private contractors to man the camps. read the document.

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zenfahr

I believe the 2 media individuals mentioned on this thread - Alex Jones and Glen Beck - would be 'right-leaning', if not outright 'right-wingers'?

So this 'information' about FEMA camps could be politically motivated hype to drum up fear of the 'left-leaning, socialist, commie' Obama Administration. Especially considering we are heading into 2012 - an election year.

This makes much more sense.

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If it operates like any other department of the military, or 'quasi-military', then contracts for supply are of fixed-duration and are then re-put out to tender. Likely this is what has happened, and people are either fear-mongering or have not bothered to avail themselves of the facts.

Well sure if you want to bring logic and rational thought into the mix :angry:

so why did you make that leap?

fully stocked, is there evidence from an official source for this?

I didn't. You however did in post 41.

And no there's no official source on the stocking of FEMA camps because the whole thing is nothing more than paranoid foolishness.

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Little Fish

This makes much more sense.

are you claiming the document is faked by alex jones and glen beck?

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Paracelse

You also have to take into account foreign armies and mercenaries. Also the use of foreign nationals in the military. Doesn't look or sound like a problem now. But when they can pluck people out of 3rd world nations and offer them a paycheck more than they could ever earn in a lifetime...

And then of course you have Blackwater the largest private army haliburton can buy.

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Corp

are you claiming the document is faked by alex jones and glen beck?

Or faked by someone else and they just decided to believe it. Or they know it's fake and they're just using it to get attention and make money.

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I didn't. You however did in post 41.
read it again.

I was saying that germans in the 40s (and some until their dying days decades later) denied the concentration camps, just as some here seem to be denying these FEMA camps are real. it was a commentary on some peoples capacity to deny evidence they don't want to believe.

it is you that made the leap to suggest I was saying the FEMA cams are death camps.

And no there's no official source on the stocking of FEMA camps because the whole thing is nothing more than paranoid foolishness.

so you are saying this KBR document is a fake?

http://static.infowars.com/2011/12/i/general/kbr-doc.pdf

Or faked by someone else and they just decided to believe it. Or they know it's fake and they're just using it to get attention and make money.

do you have any evidence it is fake?

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FLOMBIE

You aren't from around these-here-parts, are ya copmpadre? :w00t:

The US is FAR from ready to be militarized as Alex is implying. There would be out-right civil war.

Yu are right, I am not US American, but German. I used to live in the US, though.

Please mind that I do not believe the US is, or will be, getting militarized. I simply don't know, but it's possible.

In this whole agenda, I think that the most difficult part is pulling up these camps without the population getting worried about what's going on. IF (big if) they are on Alex' road, this task was marvelously accomplished. Eventually taking control will be much easier as you think it will be, since they will be expecting major civil outbreaks.

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zenfahr

are you claiming the document is faked by alex jones and glen beck?

Fake, maybe not. Having compounds that are ready at a moment’s notice seems reasonable. But the fact that these two individuals are fear mongering about this fact does seem suspious. I know... dont shoot the messenger. But I’m paranoid enough to ponder that messengers agenda.

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DieChecker

this is not the military or government contracting out, this is a private corporation Kellog Brown and Root subcontracting out to other private contractors to man the camps. read the document.

Doesn't matter. The bills are paid by the Government... FEMA, right? Then government rules apply, if they don't spend it they don't get it again next budget. So they have to spend it.

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Little Fish

Fake, maybe not. Having compounds that are ready at a moment’s notice seems reasonable.

are you suggesting that these camps are going to be voluntary? in which case what would be the need for barricades?

"Subcontractor will mobilize, transport, erect, install and demobilize temporary fencing, barricades, and associated equipment"

or are you suggesting that these detention camps are reasonable? in which case you would not mind if your family was detained in one of these camps?

But the fact that these two individuals are fear mongering about this fact does seem suspious. I know... dont shoot the messenger. But I’m paranoid enough to ponder that messengers agenda.

if I tell you get off the train track because there's a train coming and it turns out there is a train coming, am I fearmongering? am I the bad guy?

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Little Fish

Doesn't matter. The bills are paid by the Government... FEMA, right? Then government rules apply, if they don't spend it they don't get it again next budget. So they have to spend it.

I see you as rationaling away the import here. what would be your point of concern? when the chimneys start pumping smoke?

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Grey14

Here is the document on aptac-us.org server, so looks like its not a hoax.

http://www.aptac-us.org/new/upload/File/RFI%20for%20KBR%2011-16-11.pdf

Holy CRAP! This is your smoking gun?

There was nothing in that document that refered to permanant camps. From my reading of it I got that it was simply talking about camps that may be setup at the locations of natural disasters and the services they would provide and how many people that could handle. Nothing sinister. I think you need to get back on your meds if you think this is talking about internment camps.

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read it again.

I was saying that germans in the 40s (and some until their dying days decades later) denied the concentration camps, just as some here seem to be denying these FEMA camps are real. it was a commentary on some peoples capacity to deny evidence they don't want to believe.

it is you that made the leap to suggest I was saying the FEMA cams are death camps.

so you are saying this KBR document is a fake?

http://static.infowars.com/2011/12/i/general/kbr-doc.pdf

do you have any evidence it is fake?

Do you have any evidence it's real?

It's poorly written. Most QA reviews would have slammed that document. It's also vague and utterly and amazingly incomplete. No subcontractor would even hazard a wild guess at a bid on that 4 page document.

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zenfahr

are you suggesting that these camps are going to be voluntary? in which case what would be the need for barricades?

"Subcontractor will mobilize, transport, erect, install and demobilize temporary fencing, barricades, and associated equipment"

or are you suggesting that these detention camps are reasonable? in which case you would not mind if your family was detained in one of these camps?

if I tell you get off the train track because there's a train coming and it turns out there is a train coming, am I fearmongering? am I the bad guy?

Well consider this... if Mexico had a war, where would all those people flee too? If they came here would we just invite them into our homes and communities or would we round them up? How about a huge natural disaster? where would those people go? Large fences could be built not just to keep people in, but also to keep others out.

As for the train statement... same could be said true about someone yelling the end of the world was going to end because there is a comet in the sky... If you prediction is based only on speculation, then yes that is fear mongering. If your prediction is based on fact, then yes you would see that comet comming from far off surely as you would see the train.

There are millions of us here.... ask yourself this question. How would they get us in there? What excuse will be fabricated for our arrest? It would have to be big for everyone to agree to it and buy into it, and for those making the arrest to act upon it.

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i get dibs on a window bunk! .. seriously.. .. this economy is frightening .. If there is a major economic collapse , things could get very ugly.. and people could get very desperate. Herds of looters would not be ignored.

During the Great Depression people were a bit more self sufficient and more resources were localized.. We are more tightly bound to a huge interdependent system now. If the system starts to shut down... where might it end ?

.. KBR is evil.

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Michelle

Here is the document on aptac-us.org server, so looks like its not a hoax.

http://www.aptac-us.org/new/upload/File/RFI%20for%20KBR%2011-16-11.pdf

It clearly states it is a contingency project. There is also one for when little green men from outer space invade the country.

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Little Fish

contrary to what has been written on this thread, glenn beck did not promote fearmongering of fema camps, he in fact claimed he debunked their existence by bringing in the well known debunkers popular mechanics to "debunk" their existence as "railway repair shops". so why is the corporate media making out that these camps do not exist when they do exist. if the intention of these camps is innocent they would not deny the existence of these camps.

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DieChecker

I see you as rationaling away the import here. what would be your point of concern? when the chimneys start pumping smoke?

Absolutely, because I am looking for the horses, not the zebras. While you appear to be looking for the flying pink unicorns.

Who is going to kill whom? You have a conspiricy with no victims or targets.

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WoIverine

Guess we'll all see within the next 6 months to a year, exactly what will happen. It will be intersting to see how this plays out and how the current, or future administration(s) actually try to justify it.

Intersting reading here: http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/12/06/begins-occupywallstreet-labeled-terrorist-group-alqaeda-81051/

See any possible parallels?

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Little Fish

It clearly states it is a contingency project.

and Nazi germany claimed Auschwitz was a holiday camp, doesn't make it so.

contingency for what? you don't see the danger here?

why does the corporate media maintain they do not exist?

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and Nazi germany claimed Auschwitz was a holiday camp, doesn't make it so.

contingency for what? you don't see the danger here?

why does the corporate media maintain they do not exist?

I suppose you can show me where the media denies there are such a thing as Fema camps.

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