Astral Projection FAQs & Techniques Thread

[bLu3 de 3n3rgy]

Greetings,

If you are interested in the subject of Astral Projection, whether it is for learning more or sharpening your skills up, then this is the thread for you.

Purpose of this thread:

The purpose of this thread is to serve as a guidance and information hub for anybody interested in learning, developing or sharing their Astral Projection skills and techniques. This is a collective community effort that is being kick started by the members here who are diversely experienced with the Astral Realms, Dimensions, Travel and Projection.

Each will be contributing in their own format their knowledge, tips, techniques and skills which will hopefully help you become more successful with achieving astral projection or in overcoming the common pitfalls. This will create a place of reference for easier learning, collaboration and exchange for info and techniques. Frequently asked questions will also be covered and the thread will evolve alongside the existing popular Astral Projection thread as a support supplement. (See links below)

Who is this thread for:

Anyone can contribute to this project if they have a method/technique they would like to prepare and share here for teaching others.

Anyone from complete beginner to advanced level who is interested in learning or sharing info/tips about astral projection is welcome to share.

What this thread is not for:

Please respect that this is not a debate thread. A pinned thread such as this is for compiling information and collaborating techniques as a support thread and is not subject to anyone wishing to argue, garbage post or debate the material posted or the existence of. There are other areas on the forum which you can debate on.

Please do not post any techniques or advice which involves drugs, or substances such as vitamin mega dosing, human growth hormones, prescription drug abuse, white powder of gold, psychic experience inducing drugs or anything similar.

What to be aware of:

The subject of astral projection is a highly diverse one which is reflected in the many and various techniques that people often talk and write about. We find people often become confused as to what's happening when they start feeling a sensation or cue, but never get past that. It is probably one of the most frequent things which bring people here to talk about.

What to know is there is not a wrong or right way to use a technique, and there is not one technique which is better or worse than another. Astral projection Techniques should be viewed like metaphors which simply communicate and train the psyche into accepting and registering what the implied intent is. Put another way, techniques are a tool to work with your own expressed intent in a way that "your mind" can understand --- what it is to astral project.

This is ultimately the purpose behind techniques and knowing this as well as putting aside any preconceived ideas, beliefs etc. is the first step before anything else. Most people, who experience difficulties with Astral Projection are experiencing difficulties not because of a technique, but because of their lack of comprehension of said technique or a block to this consciousness process, be it sub conscious, fear related, or something else. Many astral projectors agree that it is something we have most probably experienced in our sleep at some time; difference being projected in a unconscious state as opposed to being in a conscious "connected" state.

This is why this thread will be so useful in compiling different experiences, insights and techniques from a host of different experienced people. In the case of using the thread for the FAQs function, expect the responses to be diverse in reflection of this too.

Policy of this thread

*To repeat and make clear again, this thread is for submitting techniques, guides, tips, and for sharing experiences from your unique perspective and experience of what has worked for you. The thread offers the chance to ask any questions or give any answers from your perspective - it is NOT FOR comparing techniques or debating over who is better than who or who is wrong or whatever etc. It is NOT FOR criticising or judging other techniques or bad mouthing techniques just because they didn't work or agree with you or your beliefs.

The understanding is that astral work is a highly personal journey and while we may be able to share and learn to a certain extent, what is right for one person may not be right for the next and this has to be respected for this thread to remain on a open and comfortable level. Because it is a library of sorts it will be operating through this 'no debate, no judgement policy.' If you wish to debate certain things please start a new thread with in the dreams forum for the purpose. Thanks.

So from here on out it is over to the contributors!

Thanks for reading.

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Edited to add on the 15th Jan 2014 --- My Guide

For Shielding and grounding - Before I begin any form of training or work I connect with my 12d pillar of light / shield. Please take a moment to watch this video, it is far easier to learn from this demonstration than describing it in steps. This kind of shielding is best I find for any kind of work because it trains us to connect through our own higherself stream which is pertinent to establish first before attempting to hold authentic connections to anything else, including anything you think may be a guide. The golden rule is that if anything approaches you or tries to guide you and you are not sure about it or their intention, request that the being only engages with your higherself and that your higherself will engage with you. It's like making sure that your higherself is the middle man, as your higherself can see the bigger picture always. I believe one has to be very careful about channelled material ingeneral or anything that wishes to use you as a channel for their own agenda, or approaches your 3d self for the purpose. An analogy being it is rather like a kid snatcher trying to by pass the parents in order to speak directly to the child. The kid being your 3d self and the parents being your higherself. Know that benevolent beings respect universal law and so won't interfere with your freewill, guides have to be invited to come forward and will only work with you when you are ready. Anything which doesn't abide by universal law isn't benevolent. 90% of channelled info is 'hacked' garbage or spam junk. I believe there is a difference between a medium who channels connections through their highself over a medium who doesn't and this is why. If you wish to have a good spam filter and fire wall set up then get familiar with the 12 d shield.

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For the more advanced -

I have written this as a sort of guide covering several things that keep popping up over and over as popular FAQS. So if things seem to be appear in a strange order it is because I quite frequently update this post with tibits, and any helpful FAQS that have occurred mid thread or through out. However to gain the most from this thread it is highly recommended you read and expose yourself to everything as what you won't get from this post is everybodies dialogue and conversations and style that this thread takes. This post is just being continuously edited too for more of a reference point.

Sharing

Yes you can share your experiences here, sharing accelerates growth as those with more experience will reflect you, allowing you to bounce off them, and when done authentically it encourages more to be unlocked, comprehended and shared. Everyone benefits as we are all information exchanging machines on some level.

Expectations

The next thing -- do not let expectations on what to expect by reading others experiences mould yours. Drop all expectations. It is very difficult to do as we tend to learn things by watching and mimicking others performance and techniques which is fine when we are doing something external. But on this occasion when the techniques relate to waking up the inner you and the inner gateways (astral) for you, it becomes a very personal and unique journey. The techniques that are shared are at best metaphors and analogies designed to help your mind connect the ‘action’ from the ‘intention’. So the best way to approach techniques is to pick the ones which communicate the intention best to you. Then modify if needed to make it even more personal. The more personal the better chance it has of working.

The metaphor / analogy needs to convince your mind and ego to bypass its survival programming, and tell your ego all is ok and safe to project, that it is not death. Once your ego learns this is true, it will be onboard to work with you, rather than against you. The next stage of ego work is to then keep ego from wanting to control everything all the time

Next step -- The analytical part of your mind ( ego ) needs to stay out of the process completely. This is the part of your mind that chatters away 24/7, giving the running commentary on everything. You have to develop the discipline of your mind first through meditation and make it habit that your “analysis session” comes after teh session not before and not during. That includes resisting the temptation to analyse or get fixated on body sensations , you have to keep your mind and perceptions focused on a distant spot ‘beyond’ here, beyond this level, beyond this physical body and be thinking of your need/reason for projecting. Turning your attention to your third eye is to me, the best way to do this like you do in meditation. When I am focused on projecting, all my attention it is focused on my heart centre, third eye and crown area and opening that I will expand like a pillar of light ( hara line ) and ground all the way through me. I personally connect and project via my 5d self (higherself) also known as the energy body, which is why I go through these steps to activate my energy body and 5d consciousness awareness. I don't really think of this as a exercise or outing for my physical body, but rather for my energy body/ 5d self.

If any sensations are going to be helpful for me, it is the sensation of my energy field expanding (heart centre) and maybe some crown activity that I associate with higher energies / guides/ higher self, connecting. See the difference between the sensations I pay attention to and the ones I don’t? The sensations I pay attention to have purpose and I understand what the sensory is communicating at all times. This is the advantage of understanding energy and having the knowledge and ability to perceive and feel my energy field and use that awareness as a base for everything else I do. Something I will go into later.

Journalling

Journal after every session and after you wake up from sleep time, even when you think nothing has happened is part of developing the discipline of your mind and your recall rate. It is true that it gets bothersome at times but it is well worth it if you can stick in with it for at least several months or more, then it becomes part of your routine. You will actually miss it when you don’t do it, a bit like the gym lol. Journaling is writing everything down without judgement or interpretation at first. You just write from observer mode freely, as that is primarily what your stance should be during projections and meditations. In time you will hone your own inner voice in these writings and perceptions as you see it, this helps develop you into a neutral being who can respond rather than react– this is a big big deal / lesson in the kind of control you need to master to be able to astral travel.

Meditation and Reason / Need

Meditation in short can be used to astral project, absolutely. I use a mediation technique for directing my "projections" on a need to be basis. Doing it this way is faster, quicker and requires less energy overall. It is the way to allow your awareness to be connected to 2 places at the same time.

Using the meditation method for projection is better if you are doing something specific like ‘healing’ or carrying out a specific task as it offers more control over what you are doing. My perceptions are that i am projected 24/7 -- i am aware of my 5d self, my higher sensory perceptions and my energy field at all times - i can feel anything which is not me and around my field, i can feel energy and consciousness running through me. I can feel and see my environment energetically and so on. Every single thing has an astral / energy body imprint/ signature and that includes humans. Even weather currents and storms and the land you sit/walk on all have an astral presence and awareness. This is what it means to be in your astral sensory perceptions. You are already there as is everyone and everything that exists, the training is about gaining the control for switching and shifting your awareness to the astral level so you can perceive it.

Meditation and Abilities

I think meditation is a good productive way to start out, meditation is the groundwork for doing everything else. Even the techniques with lying down and altering consciousness are still meditation. First you need to get to know yourself and know what your strengths and weakness are. Are you more of a clairvoyant (visual orientated person) I am, and so visuals anchor me in very powerfully - i can shift my awareness with visualisation alone and have some special ones that my guides gave me. If i wasn't so clairvoyant but more clairaudient then tones, frequencies and sounds would anchor me in. People use sound in a very powerful way to alter consciousness and journey with. But if you are clairaudient then this is going to be your ticket to focus on. Like visuals can be powerful for the clairvoyant, sounds and frequencies are going to tune and align a clairaudient in very quickly.

Maybe you are more of an empath or clairsentient? if so then your ticket is going to be via energy work and understanding your awareness of the energy / astral body, that is something you can feel like i do, i feel with my energy field 24/7.....a lot of people find their psychic empathic skills develop or awaken more potently as a result of getting into meditation - everyone has something be it their empathy or clairvoyance that begins to develop with meditation, but this is why you need to take the time to get to know yourself and what your tendency is, so we know the best direction to come at in honing it.

If you are not aware of having any of these skills or tendencies yet and are a beginner to this, then forget being able to project and perceive the dimensions like we do straight out of the box...at the moment that is.....I'm not saying it is impossible but there is no such thing as someone who has the awareness, comprehension and perception levels for astral travelling without any hint or sign of the abilities in the psychic/ empathic spectrums. It just doesn't happen, as there is a cause and effect relationship between developing your core strengths with activating your higher sensory perceptions, and the ability to perceive and move with ease between the levels of consciousness. When you can move between your own levels of consciousness and develop a relationship with your own guides and higherself , then you can begin to move between the planetary levels and then even the galactic, which is what astral travelling is.

Guides and contacting them

Lastly, never carry other people’s expectations as your own; instead use other peoples methods for learning with and then for constructing and creating your very own version. I started out with my guides and i have always kept my team around me. Guides can come and go and some only come in for a specific time. The team I know now is not the same team i started with for example. After you have read this post find some quiet time and talk to your guides about where to go from here. You might feel silly thinking you are talking to nothing at first, but then you are going to have to get over these fears of feeling or appearing crazy or 'what will people think omg' -- it’s an inner process and an inner conversation and even the most dynamic, successful, creative people in the world know how to do this. You would be surprised at how many people do this.

Anyway, your guides will show up when they are ready to work with you. They make that decision based on you. Universal law states that no being shall interfere with the freewill of another. Only benevolent beings, energies, entities, guides, people respect this law. Your guides will stand in the background until you officially invite them in and that is why.

We are not really raised on how to state ourselves appropriately in spiritual terms/ communication because for the most part we ignore that level of consciousness and being which makes it rather difficult at first to slot into. To be heard as a spiritual divine being you need to speak with pure intention and certainty. So actively inviting your guides to help and assist you is the first step. The second step is knowing that from then onwards you cannot sit passively and just expect things to happen. Your guides will always have to be asked (never ordered) it’s only in very extreme or complex circumstances that they will intervene with something.

When your guides are ready to work with you, which really means when you are ready to work with them, they will show up in a way that leaves you in no doubt. It will be in a way which is tailored suited to you so that includes the appearance they may choose to have. It will trigger some kind of inner knowing / familiarity in you when it happens as on some level you already know who it is.

That’s all I can say. I get a lot of questions about how to contact guides or how to know if a being is your guide or not. The deal is that there are low lifes everywhere right?, just like in life. Some beings are not benevolent and so don’t care about your freewill or anyone elses. But thankfully they make that pretty clear and when you know what to look out for it’s blatantly obvious when one is at it and trying to coax you to do something so they don’t have to breach theirs. The only people who tend to have major issues with this and with discerning such activities are those who are already on the fine line or wrong side of the pitch themselves. If a person is of a self-serving nature or leans towards that way then they are going to be easy to manipulate for all the wrong reasons, power / ego driven etc. But sadly that is just a part of life, some people do choose to be that way and take that path because perhaps they are meant to.

So anything which comes across as a little shady probably is and that is a general life rule that applies universally. If you find yourself feeling pulled around by one, either emotionally or energetically or with the kind of messages that leave you feeling down or hypo egocentric, then you are not on an equal and respectful footing with that being. It’s all about learning to discern the true intention behind every action and word of what is around you. I wouldn’t worry about something coming along to pretend to be your guide though. It’s unlikely to happen once your intention for your guides to come in is set and you’re actively working on your connection to your higherself, doing your ego /shadow work and practising healthy boundaries in your meditations and in life in general.

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Technique added 26th Jan 2014

Being a clairvoyant this is visual based -

Activate your 12d shield before you start if you haven't already.

1. In your minds eye see your energy body or your 3d self - whichever way your mind wants to put it.

2. Then from the top of your head ( crown ) see yourself clasp a zip and unzip yourself from head to root.

3.As you unzip your outer layer you see it collapse around you and fall off you like one of those onesie suits or a shell of armour.

4. Take a moment to see the layer that is now exposed. What does it look like ? is it still a physical representation of you or is it a glowing energy version of you. maybe its a patchy multicoloured version, if its your energy body how bright is it, do think you can go brighter ?

5. Unzip yourself again, take a moment to observe what you see. Repeating the steps before.

6. Keep repeating this step until you reach a layer you feel content and free with. ( I went through 4 layers before i got to feeling this stage )

7. Now step out of your layers that are laying on the ground around your feet and walk away as a brightly glowing free light being. get used to seeing yourself now as this light form. The layers you just shed are your old layers, your old defences, your old perceptions that couldn't separate your bodies and that were keeping your light energy body contained and concealed / hidden.

8. Now that you feel released from your body, just will where you want to go and see your light form enter a new landscape. If you got this far you are already projected, now just focus on your landscape.

Added 24th march 2014 - A list of helpful support / discussion threads for Astral Projection and related practices

Professor T's Visions, Insight, Pre&Post Cognition thread - http://www.unexplain...pic=248251&st=0

White Crane Feather's Blog: A man awake - http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?app=blog&module=display&section=blog&blogid=2493

Ziggy Stardust's Astral travel thread - http://www.unexplain...opic=60199&st=0

bLu3 de 3n3rgy's Astral Dream Atlantis thread - http://www.unexplain...pic=223357&st=0

Edited April 18, 2014 by bLu3 de 3n3rgy
added a list of helpful discussion threads for Astral projecting, travel and related practises

[White Crane Feather]

I will start off. I will post my tutorial here. It's helped a few people. Then I will post links to some excellent material. Then latter I will post a string of FAQs and their answers. Hopefully early in this thread we can cover most of the basics.

My tutorial. ( please remember that every one is different if you have trouble I will be around to help you trouble shoot)

Shamanic Journey / Astral Projection

Spirit travel has been used for all of human history by shaman, monks, mystics, martial artists, saints, prophets, and spiritual seekers since the beginning of mankind. Most prophecies, encounters with spirits, angles, and higher beings occur in this altered state of conciousness and reality.

Below is a basic guide to achieve spirit travel. These methods are designed to by pass hours of meditation and spiritual ritual so that you can follow a daily practice and fit it into your schedule.

Personal Conditioning

There are some basic things you can add to your lifestyle that will make your more successful in your spirit

Travel endeavours.

•Extension to others

•Body awareness

•Meditation & Prayer

• Thanks giving

• Control and Elimination of fear

• Physical fitness

• Extension to plants, animals, and the earth

Things you will need

• Journal

• Comfortable quiet place to recline and meditate.

•Some form of music player if you are going to use auditory aids.

Conditioning the mind

A relaxed, non-anxious, calm state of mind is important for spirit travel. Daily problems and short term memory need to be erased and stored in long term memory so that your mental capacity for new information is clear. This is most naturally done while you sleep. A huge part of your success with spirit travel will depend on if you can get presleep. This is the part of the process that is most often skipped because people mistakenly believe that projection is a form of sleeping. It's not. It's an altered state that is most easily obtained if your mind is rested. If you just try when you go to bed without presleep you will probably just fall asleep.

Presleep methods

• Late Nap Method

Take a Late nap from about 5pm to about 8. Then make your projection attempt at about 11 or 12.

• 3am method

Go to bed normally. Wake up at 3am or 4am ( set your alarm). Read something or do something relaxing. Don't read a good book. Something like a magazine. Do this for about half an hour or until you feel groggy.

Auditory aids

-Some people like to use these. I have had success using them, but honestly headphones are a distracting for me. I do still however listen to them during presleep. Experimentation is best to discover what works for you.

• Shamanic Drumming-- I use these occasionally

•Binaural beats-- (basically a high tech form of drumming) these work for some people, and scientific research has shown that they synchronize the hemispheres of the brain. ( I find them a bit soulless and unnatural, but others don't)

•Tibetan meditation music-- I absolutely love to listen during presleep.

•Native American spirit flute--- another that I love to listen to during presleep or meditation in general.

Vibration Induction/meditation

There are many different meditations for this. This is what works best for me.

•Before you start designate a specific place across your room that you will walk to latter. You also should not have a full stomach or a full bladder, nor should you be hungry or thirsty.

• Lay back on your back. There should be a slight recline. You should be warm and comfortable . Put your hands at your side and relax fully.

•Take a few deep breaths and ask the spirits to help you in your efforts.

•Close your eyes and notice the blackness behind your eyes. Look off into the blackness as if it were three dimensional space. Look slightly up.

•You should be able to see neural discharges. ( blueish purple swirling lights) everyone has them. Watch these with solitary focus.

•If any errant thoughts or scenarios start running through your head gently wipe them away and stay with an empty mind.

•If any pictures come into your field of vision, focus intently on them.

•Hold on to your hat!! With practice and a little luck at first, what happens next might blow you away. Your body is going to start vibrating. It feels like a mild electric shock running through your body. It's not painful, but at first it can startle you. You will also begin to hear a massively Loud noise. It will sound like a jet engine or a water fall. It could have a buzzing quality to it or a whooshing helicopter like sound. These are your exit signs.

•When you have these sensations, it's time to exit..... But not before.

•Exit. The two most easy exits are to simply get up as fast as you can or to roll hard to roll off your bed. Upon feeling the vibrations, simply get up or roll out. As if you were doing it physically. Don't worry your physical body should be paralyzed by natural processes. But your spirit body is not. As soon as you get up or roll out. Immediately walk to your designated spot and turn around to see yourself.

Three are also a many other exit techniques give this link a look.

http://shopofenlight...ntechniques.pdf

When you manage to make your first exit it will probably shock you. This will make your first journey not very long. As you continue to practice you will be able to stay longer and longer. In time you will learn to walk through walls, fly, develop spirit tools, travel Inter-dimensionally, even speak with spirits.

Remember that every person is a little different. Some people are naturals and it comes very easy. Others may take years of training before their first OBE. Don't be discouraged and allow yourself a regular practice. Also remember that once out learning to operate in spirit is like learning to walk all over again. There are stumbles and dry spells, but every journey you get a little better even if it seems like a set back.

Also remember that the spirit world will mirror what's in your mind. Wipe away any fear, anxiety, or stress before travelling.

Good Luck and keep us posted on your results. I'm happy to answer any of your questions.

The seeker's prayer

"Divine wind of the great mystery guide me to overcome the illusions of humanity. Fill me with the ability to give up selfishness and persue the good of all in my presence. Remind me to thankful and mindful of all things, and to respect a charish all moments of existence. Allow me humility and pride in wonderful abundance and allow me to experience the world as though I have the eyes of a young child."

[White Crane Feather]

Right... Ok.. Any other suggestions which you might have??

I went through the pinned post... With regard to projection signs-- the only thing i`ve felt is the vibrations... these die down after about 10 secs or so... The pinned post suggests a "roll out" technique or to just get up... Will give that a shot today... But could you also suggest how i might find a technique that suits me best? An exit technique...

Another doubt that i had... When you astral project?? Are the perceptions similar to a dream like state?? Or similar to what we percieve in the physical world?? I know these are probably covered in the FAQ`s.. But it does make a difference when you interact with someone with the experience... Sorry for all the bother...

Thanks

Go back to my tutorial. There is a link there for a PDF that has 66 exits. Many different ways to exit. You should pick one close to the way you learn things best. I am very tactile. For me an exit is a very "physical" thing. For the most part Its just like moving in normal reality minus flying and floating of course.

Perceptions.....well here is the deal it's about memory. Yes the memory of your OBE may have a dream like fuzziness. And your memory is reality of an event for you.... But. But. But. During the OBE you experience everything as crystal clear even more so than normal reality. It's a simple matter of noticing the quality of reality during your OBE... So that you can latter recall your feeling of clarity even though your memory is starting to fuzz. It's kinda like tring To rember something from a few days ago. Makeing a mental note to remember something anchors it better. I can't be sure, but my guess is that astral experiences download straight to long term memory completely bypassing short term memory in our brains.

[White Crane Feather]

Also, I think you should simplify your awareness meditation. Yours seems complex. Creating the proper space is simply about holding your awareness. Thinking about a bunch of chakras and such and shifting my awareness around would probably hold me back... But that's just me,

[PoPsIcLeS-LaDy]

I find this very helpful, so I want to thank all the members before aking a little question.

My utter desire is to be able to astral project, however, fear is holding me down like it is usually.

You have all been speaking about the benifits of Astral projection, yet never mentionned the dangers. Is it because there are none ?

I've seen a lot of websites that claims that the dangers of Astral projection are very deadly. Like this one women here

If you read through, you'll find that what she has faced (if its' all not fake) is probably very dangerous.

I will excited to hear your responce. >:3

[White Crane Feather]

I find this very helpful, so I want to thank all the members before aking a little question.

My utter desire is to be able to astral project, however, fear is holding me down like it is usually.

You have all been speaking about the benifits of Astral projection, yet never mentionned the dangers. Is it because there are none ?

I've seen a lot of websites that claims that the dangers of Astral projection are very deadly. Like this one women here

If you read through, you'll find that what she has faced (if its' all not fake) is probably very dangerous.

I will excited to hear your responce. >:3

You can't be hurt. That website in my opinion is plain silly. Of course people think I'm silly to.

Dont listen to the junk about demons and possession. There are some nasty occurrences out of body, but this is a result of fear manifestation. Fear is your demon. It's a self perpetuating one at that. But it has no power other than what you give it.

Don't get me wrong. There is an ecology of sorts in the depths, but nothing like angles VS demons. This is an entirely human concept.

The biggest risk you take under common methods is disturbing your sleep cycle a bit.

Some will disagree with me, but I don't beleive in spiritual evil. I do beleive in human evil, and you do take it with you into the spirit world. In the depths thoughts are instant realities evil is an ultimate expression of fear. An evil being would be completely useless. Fear causes chaos there.

I recently meditated my way into a very intense place. I learned that the human mind is capable of self torture bringing every insane fear to manifestation. The trick is simply to give it all up. Surrender any kind of reaction to fear. Adopt an I don't care attitude and whatch how these "demons " fall away and the universe opens up.

Sorry to rant. I severely dislike the fear mongering out there.

[PoPsIcLeS-LaDy]

You can't be hurt. That website in my opinion is plain silly. Of course people think I'm silly to.

Dont listen to the junk about demons and possession. There are some nasty occurrences out of body, but this is a result of fear manifestation. Fear is your demon. It's a self perpetuating one at that. But it has no power other than what you give it.

Don't get me wrong. There is an ecology of sorts in the depths, but nothing like angles VS demons. This is an entirely human concept.

The biggest risk you take under common methods is disturbing your sleep cycle a bit.

Some will disagree with me, but I don't beleive in spiritual evil. I do beleive in human evil, and you do take it with you into the spirit world. In the depths thoughts are instant realities evil is an ultimate expression of fear. An evil being would be completely useless. Fear causes chaos there.

I recently meditated my way into a very intense place. I learned that the human mind is capable of self torture bringing every insane fear to manifestation. The trick is simply to give it all up. Surrender any kind of reaction to fear. Adopt an I don't care attitude and whatch how these "demons " fall away and the universe opens up.

Sorry to rant. I severely dislike the fear mongering out there.

Thank you very much for your help; I am sure as hell going to try this tonight. Maybe use different techniques and see which one fits the most with me.

A lot of imposters are crazily running around the net claiming all kind of things, from possessions to "Astral Vampires".

It's reassuring to see someone with actual experience.

Thank you again.

[bLu3 de 3n3rgy]

Hello,

Good to see that you have got it started Seeker.

I will be adding my Astral Projection segment soon. Been busy with xmas/family.

PoP, it's good to know that everyone has their own experience of the astral realms, and how they 'perceive' is down to their own unique filters on life. Filters being our perceptions which are shaped by our beliefs and experiences. That is what makes us unique and that is what produces such a diverse range of 'astral accounts and encounters'. However this effect at the level of the primitive/ego mind introduces a serious flaw to how we process what our many filters try to cope with in making something fit our realm of understanding. That means there is always going to be an element of distortion to the truth in every story and account.

When one lacks the raw experience, then the belief or dogma they have taken on either sub consciously or consciously will fill in the gaps and create an understanding which comfortably fits said belief system and ego. Or if 'a' belief system is so heavily ingrained into the being then even their raw experiences will be influenced in the way their belief system shapes their perceptions. There is great value in learning to understand this flaw if you do intend to get into astral projection and learning to discern for yourself what is true.

When you said, and let me quote - "Imposters running crazily around the net claiming all kind of things, from possessions to "Astral Vampires" --know that they probably believe their experiences are valid and that they will have their reasons for perceiving and labelling those things as they do. Fear is most likely the number one reason, but it doesn't mean that there is zil nothing to it.

It of course doesn't mean they are right either, but they experienced 'something' and there could be xyz million amount of reasons as to why they did. Maybe it's their path to, or maybe they are lost and their reality is so out of control on other levels due to their actions and reactions here or on the astral levels (more this later)

Rejecting what doesn't sit with you as truth is fine, but rejecting the entire existence of the experience is equally closed minded. See, to call them imposters when you yourself lack the experience, is counter productive because what people interpret and label is relative to their level of understanding. A big part of developing your skills for astral project is also developing your own sense of discernment and elevating your level of consciousness (higher self)

Now i too equally do not like fear mongering. Those who do fear monger and spread fear are not coming from a balanced position and do not make good examples to learn from or for anyone to listen to. There is agenda in channelling fear it self. But i understand why it happens and some of the issues which make people that way. Think how misaligned they have to be, to be coming from such a place. But it doesn't mean whatever influence they are under is fake and it would be equally ignorant to pretend that nothing disruptive or chaotic exists, or beings with differing intentions/agendas than what the human race has. So you are right and best to ignore those who don't feel balanced in their approaches and accounts and that is all that matters. Go with what feels right for you.

As an added note, The higher you go in consciousness the more you can access in astral level/realms - as if the two are related (you can't go to a level that your consciousness is not elevated enough for) So astral level and level of consciousness fit together like keys. Anyway the higher you go the less the distinction exists between our human metaphors such as 'evil' and 'good', 'negative' and positive'. On the higher astral levels it becomes everything about 'awareness', 'intention', 'agenda', 'levels of tolerances' and 'influences' - it becomes truer to talk in terms of our actions, reactions, responses to the things we see, feel, emotionally feel and sense. It's truer to include the consequences of said actions and reactions of those we make and of those whom others impose on us. It's where we really get to take on the challenge of becoming a more heightened self aware being and extending awareness beyond ourselves to much more.

Anyway will stop there, There is much to learn for ourselves if we want to.

Edited December 29, 2011 by AnVil

[PoPsIcLeS-LaDy]

Thank you very much for your responce, it has been very useful to me.

There is a reason I've called them imposters; not just because I don't believe in what they saw. I've tried contacting many of them on several occasions, asking questions and wanting to learn, however, they either misguided me, claiming what they were saying is the truth; or, they told me I didn't have what it takes to be a succesful person in Astral Projection.

I do agree with you, I have to keep an open mind and try for myself to see the results. Everyone's experience differ; and as Seeker and you both pointed: Fear is the number one Enemy.

I can't describe to you how happy am I that I found a site like, with many kind and experienced people who are willing to help.

Thank you again.

[Ajay R]

Also, I think you should simplify your awareness meditation. Yours seems complex. Creating the proper space is simply about holding your awareness. Thinking about a bunch of chakras and such and shifting my awareness around would probably hold me back... But that's just me,

Alright... That makes sense...

How long did you practice before you had a succesful projection? Its probably a little too soon for me considering i`ve only been trying since 3 months... But it does get a little frustrating... So much so that i sometimes question the possibility of the phenomenon... Which i understand is a major block...

I know you`ve all probably gone through the phase too... right?? And i know each person is different and stuff... but yeah... thats whats going on in my mind right now... And wondering how to cope with the phase...

[Tia]

This is something I've never tried so will try tonight and keep going.....how long do you think would be a decent amount of time to get to the first step Seeker?

Also I feel while reading your details that while I didn't leave my body, well I've never looked back when I use to meditate a lot I would go to speak to spirits etc in different areas I would often get the light feeling etc. Is there a connection in the fact if you can meditate and like I said it's been a while the Astral travel may be easier?

Also thanks for putting this up Anvil, it's always been a topic I wasn't sure of but I am forever getting picked on for saying I've had contact with yowies so I've really been a hyprocrite.

I'll check in tomorrow and let you know how I go.

Edited December 29, 2011 by Tia

[White Crane Feather]

Alright... That makes sense...

How long did you practice before you had a succesful projection? Its probably a little too soon for me considering i`ve only been trying since 3 months... But it does get a little frustrating... So much so that i sometimes question the possibility of the phenomenon... Which i understand is a major block...

I know you`ve all probably gone through the phase too... right?? And i know each person is different and stuff... but yeah... thats whats going on in my mind right now... And wondering how to cope with the phase...

I totally understand ajay. I have been gutted for weeks not being able to journy and not knowing why. My advice for you is to consider it a practice and leave emotional attachments behind. I'm not the only one to note that people seem to get it when they least expect it.

It was not that way for me. Guiding spirits basically taught me to project before I even really new what it was. It's a long story. But the gist of it is that it was brought to me as a result of choices I was makeing. I would have considered it new age nonsense before. I did not understand anything. I learned technique and educated myself after I was already projecting so that I could have more control, and help others who were experiencing things and were scared and clueless like I was.

[White Crane Feather]

This is something I've never tried so will try tonight and keep going.....how long do you think would be a decent amount of time to get to the first step Seeker?

Also I feel while reading your details that while I didn't leave my body, well I've never looked back when I use to meditate a lot I would go to speak to spirits etc in different areas I would often get the light feeling etc. Is there a connection in the fact if you can meditate and like I said it's been a while the Astral travel may be easier?

Also thanks for putting this up Anvil, it's always been a topic I wasn't sure of but I am forever getting picked on for saying I've had contact with yowies so I've really been a hyprocrite.

I'll check in tomorrow and let you know how I go.

I can't say. There have been times I have meditated for hours to get to vibration and nothing. And there are times when I can instantly create vibration and exit within seconds. The latter happens when something is urgent or I my emotions are highly charged about something. Usually when I sense a visitor or prematurely come back from something very exciting.

[Ajay R]

I totally understand ajay. I have been gutted for weeks not being able to journy and not knowing why. My advice for you is to consider it a practice and leave emotional attachments behind. I'm not the only one to note that people seem to get it when they least expect it.

It was not that way for me. Guiding spirits basically taught me to project before I even really new what it was. It's a long story. But the gist of it is that it was brought to me as a result of choices I was makeing. I would have considered it new age nonsense before. I did not understand anything. I learned technique and educated myself after I was already projecting so that I could have more control, and help others who were experiencing things and were scared and clueless like I was.

Just want to share what happened about a 2 hours ago... At 3 PM local time I decided to take a nap....

With the thought as you suggested to just relax and take it as a practice session which may get me closer to achieving the first projection....

So while i progressed with the relaxation and reached a phase where i was only aware of the energy body and minimal background noises etc, I decided to just try out the technique that involves a "Switch in awareness" from my physical body to a point outside my body.. I visualised myself about 2 feet away in the same posture.. on the same bed... with the thought that once i fall asleep my consciousness would switch to the new position assumed by the astral body... However, i kept switching thoughts between being in front of the door of my room and to the position 2 feet away from the physical body.... While doing so i felt vibrations twice... after they died down i didnt know if i was out or not... Not wanting to lose the trance after the first vibrations died down id dint want to open my eyes knowing that such an action was not necessary given that the astral body`s eyes are always open... I hence ruled out a succesful projection.... I continued for a while and when i got the vibrations again ( of milder intensity ) i decided to just get up... In doing so the session ended because i moved my physical body....

I then decided to lie in for a bit before getting about my work again... I assumed a comfortable postion and fell into a light sleep and started to have a dream... I then realised it was a dream and came back to what i thought was the real world... I then remembered a text that said the sleep-wake transition was a good time to project.... Knowing this i decided to just roll out of my bed... I experienced something really different... At that moment i thought it was a real projection... Once i rolled out, I really couldnt see anything... I then used my hands ( astral/dream.. dont know which) to just rub my face a bit after which I could see stuff clearly.... BUT... I didnt see myself on the floor... Didnt see any silver cord... My bed looked very different... My house wasnt the same though it did look similar to the real world house that i live in ( for some reason i broke the law of not stepping out on the first projection )..... I flew around a bit with little control and then woke up in the real world thanks to the phone ringing...

The above is what I`m convinced is a lucid dream at least... I probably just dreamt of having a projection... But the sensation of separation from the physical body was something i havent felt ever even in a dream... Probably my mental projection of what a projection would be like...

So... Just thought I`d share this with you in the hope that you could guide me further...

Thanks

[Tia]

Ok, I'm having really bad problems with sleep atm. Like I can crash straight away several times a day.

Last night I got all comfortable focused on what I use to think of as galaxies (I use to love watching them behind my eyes when I was a child)it only lasted about 40 secs before my brain unleashed the days events and I crashed for the night.

Today I just lied down and I actually focused on my galaxies for a few minutes then drifted quietly off to sleep at least my brain shut off for a while lol.

Another question so if you get to the vibrating state and lift up are you awake, asleep or in-between? Also does your body automatically always pull your essence back before waking or are you meant to head back yourself?

[PoPsIcLeS-LaDy]

Hello, I just thought I'll drop in and let you know how much good your advices has been to me.

Yesterday, after half an hour of meditating and relaxation, I thought it was time to try for the first time. It was exactly 8:30 in the morning, and since I didn't have school, I guessed it was the perfect time. After 3 or 5 minutes of laying down, I started feeling a tightness in my muscles and several Electric jolts snapped on my skin. For sometime, I couldn't actully feel my hand, it was like it wasn't there anymore. I decided it was time to stop since I felt that it is better to start slowly, so I finished my session and recorded everything in details in a small dairy that I consacred for Astral Travelling alone.

That is all, I am going to try again tonight. Your advices has been very helpful, thank you

[White Crane Feather]

Just want to share what happened about a 2 hours ago... At 3 PM local time I decided to take a nap....

With the thought as you suggested to just relax and take it as a practice session which may get me closer to achieving the first projection....

So while i progressed with the relaxation and reached a phase where i was only aware of the energy body and minimal background noises etc, I decided to just try out the technique that involves a "Switch in awareness" from my physical body to a point outside my body.. I visualised myself about 2 feet away in the same posture.. on the same bed... with the thought that once i fall asleep my consciousness would switch to the new position assumed by the astral body... However, i kept switching thoughts between being in front of the door of my room and to the position 2 feet away from the physical body.... While doing so i felt vibrations twice... after they died down i didnt know if i was out or not... Not wanting to lose the trance after the first vibrations died down id dint want to open my eyes knowing that such an action was not necessary given that the astral body`s eyes are always open... I hence ruled out a succesful projection.... I continued for a while and when i got the vibrations again ( of milder intensity ) i decided to just get up... In doing so the session ended because i moved my physical body....

I then decided to lie in for a bit before getting about my work again... I assumed a comfortable postion and fell into a light sleep and started to have a dream... I then realised it was a dream and came back to what i thought was the real world... I then remembered a text that said the sleep-wake transition was a good time to project.... Knowing this i decided to just roll out of my bed... I experienced something really different... At that moment i thought it was a real projection... Once i rolled out, I really couldnt see anything... I then used my hands ( astral/dream.. dont know which) to just rub my face a bit after which I could see stuff clearly.... BUT... I didnt see myself on the floor... Didnt see any silver cord... My bed looked very different... My house wasnt the same though it did look similar to the real world house that i live in ( for some reason i broke the law of not stepping out on the first projection )..... I flew around a bit with little control and then woke up in the real world thanks to the phone ringing...

The above is what I`m convinced is a lucid dream at least... I probably just dreamt of having a projection... But the sensation of separation from the physical body was something i havent felt ever even in a dream... Probably my mental projection of what a projection would be like...

So... Just thought I`d share this with you in the hope that you could guide me further...

Thanks

Good job!!!!! Sounds like progress. Yes I like to be awake when I separate.... But that does not mean you did not project. It's like learning to walk. Astral spaces in real time is more like a shadow/mirror world of this one. Remember out of body you are not seeing things with your eyes. There is not light stimulating your brain, nor are you touching with your hands or hearing with your ears. It takes a while to understand your environments without really using your bilogical senses. Your awareness is your only sense. and there are some increadible things you can do when you finally understand this.

Oh, I have never seen that cord. But I have certainly felt the body connection. It's no fun to be out of body when a five year old jumps on you. It's like instant vertigo and being flung across the room.

Keep it up... You are on the verge of a breakthrough.

[White Crane Feather]

Ok, I'm having really bad problems with sleep atm. Like I can crash straight away several times a day.

Last night I got all comfortable focused on what I use to think of as galaxies (I use to love watching them behind my eyes when I was a child)it only lasted about 40 secs before my brain unleashed the days events and I crashed for the night.

Today I just lied down and I actually focused on my galaxies for a few minutes then drifted quietly off to sleep at least my brain shut off for a while lol.

Another question so if you get to the vibrating state and lift up are you awake, asleep or in-between? Also does your body automatically always pull your essence back before waking or are you meant to head back yourself?

You can do it either way. Only a few times did I actually go back and get back in my body, then I realized I don't have to.

Your body is asleep but your mind is awake. When you cone back from a successful journey it does not feel like waking up. It just feels like you opened your eyes.

Tia, are you using presleep or morning methods. It sounds like you are not. If you are attempting to do this at night without presleep you are going to have trouble. You should be trying early in the morning after your mind is rested.

[White Crane Feather]

Hello, I just thought I'll drop in and let you know how much good your advices has been to me.

Yesterday, after half an hour of meditating and relaxation, I thought it was time to try for the first time. It was exactly 8:30 in the morning, and since I didn't have school, I guessed it was the perfect time. After 3 or 5 minutes of laying down, I started feeling a tightness in my muscles and several Electric jolts snapped on my skin. For sometime, I couldn't actully feel my hand, it was like it wasn't there anymore. I decided it was time to stop since I felt that it is better to start slowly, so I finished my session and recorded everything in details in a small dairy that I consacred for Astral Travelling alone.

That is all, I am going to try again tonight. Your advices has been very helpful, thank you

Good job. That sounds like a productive session.

[Ajay R]

Good job!!!!! Sounds like progress. Yes I like to be awake when I separate.... But that does not mean you did not project. It's like learning to walk. Astral spaces in real time is more like a shadow/mirror world of this one. Remember out of body you are not seeing things with your eyes. There is not light stimulating your brain, nor are you touching with your hands or hearing with your ears. It takes a while to understand your environments without really using your bilogical senses. Your awareness is your only sense. and there are some increadible things you can do when you finally understand this.

Oh, I have never seen that cord. But I have certainly felt the body connection. It's no fun to be out of body when a five year old jumps on you. It's like instant vertigo and being flung across the room.

Keep it up... You are on the verge of a breakthrough.

Thanks so much...

Have you actually seen yourself when you project?? Can you see yourself?? I kinda have it in my head that when i get out and look at my own physical body its a sign that i`ve succeeded in a conscious projection and not a lucid dream about projecting....

Considering my previous post what is your opinion?? Was i right about the lucid dreaming or do you feel i might have had a conscious projection...??

Thanks again... I really appreciate you taking time off to speak to us and motivate us...

[White Crane Feather]

Thanks so much...

Have you actually seen yourself when you project?? Can you see yourself?? I kinda have it in my head that when i get out and look at my own physical body its a sign that i`ve succeeded in a conscious projection and not a lucid dream about projecting....

Considering my previous post what is your opinion?? Was i right about the lucid dreaming or do you feel i might have had a conscious projection...??

Thanks again... I really appreciate you taking time off to speak to us and motivate us...

Yes I have. But at first I didn't. I wasn't sure if I was projecting or dreaming either. So I went to my bed. Nothing was there. But as I looked at it, I could sort of see an impression then I sort of materialized right there. After that I could see myself. This is like my problem with walls. As you start to understand your mind, you are going to find out that sponsoring thoughts are stronger and more real than the other thoughts that they lead to.

By purposely looking for yourself as a check the sponsoring thought is actually one of disbelif. Remember in these places we are no longer in physical reality. Thoughts are very powerful. Now, I am not going to tell you the fluffy excuse of you have to beleive... Indeed this will have the opposite effect. Instead cultivate a purely observational and indifferent state of mind. This is why people that spontaneously project often see themselves. They are simply trying to understand without prejudgments so their expectations are pure... Or rather non existant.

Another thing you will learn is that concousness is a continuum. Eventhough we experience traveling during AP as movement it's actually an expansion of awareness. Internal and external separation is an illusion. Anvil would be much better at explaining this than me. I still need the visuals and Human sensations.

Do lucid dreaming VS AP. How do you tell? one it's all on the continuum of awareness, but dreams are almost always scenerio driven. Normal Dreaming is your minds way of keeping your awareness busy because it's impossible for it to be truely Unconcous. If things are happening to you characters and story's will occur. Usually AP... Nothing is happening unless you make it happen. Just like physical reality. For the most part with some exceptions you can just sit down on your sofa. That dosn't mean that your mind didn't travel during dreaming though.

Consider your awareness ( you) a one dimentional point. It can get wraped up in the processes of your brain, physical reality, or it can slip into the substrate dimentions and zing to any part of reality in an instant.

I don't mean to be cryptic but often often the things we learn do not have language equvlents.

[Ajay R]

Yes I have. But at first I didn't. I wasn't sure if I was projecting or dreaming either. So I went to my bed. Nothing was there. But as I looked at it, I could sort of see an impression then I sort of materialized right there. After that I could see myself. This is like my problem with walls. As you start to understand your mind, you are going to find out that sponsoring thoughts are stronger and more real than the other thoughts that they lead to.

By purposely looking for yourself as a check the sponsoring thought is actually one of disbelif. Remember in these places we are no longer in physical reality. Thoughts are very powerful. Now, I am not going to tell you the fluffy excuse of you have to beleive... Indeed this will have the opposite effect. Instead cultivate a purely observational and indifferent state of mind. This is why people that spontaneously project often see themselves. They are simply trying to understand without prejudgments so their expectations are pure... Or rather non existant.

Another thing you will learn is that concousness is a continuum. Eventhough we experience traveling during AP as movement it's actually an expansion of awareness. Internal and external separation is an illusion. Anvil would be much better at explaining this than me. I still need the visuals and Human sensations.

Do lucid dreaming VS AP. How do you tell? one it's all on the continuum of awareness, but dreams are almost always scenerio driven. Normal Dreaming is your minds way of keeping your awareness busy because it's impossible for it to be truely Unconcous. If things are happening to you characters and story's will occur. Usually AP... Nothing is happening unless you make it happen. Just like physical reality. For the most part with some exceptions you can just sit down on your sofa. That dosn't mean that your mind didn't travel during dreaming though.

Consider your awareness ( you) a one dimentional point. It can get wraped up in the processes of your brain, physical reality, or it can slip into the substrate dimentions and zing to any part of reality in an instant.

I don't mean to be cryptic but often often the things we learn do not have language equvlents.

I kinda get what you`re trying to say... Will try just being an observer... For a start...

I guess you`re also trying to say that a lot of answers come via experiencing things first hand..??

So... yeah will work on it...

I dont think the perceptions during the lucid dream/projection were what is actually described by people who consciously project as hightened though...It was kind of dream like... Maybe there`s a lot on my mind right now that could cloud my perceptions/sensations on that plane?? Caught up too much in the various stressors of day to day activities..

I`m starting to understand things a little more clearly now.. Thanks

Will let you know my progress as it goes on...

[Burning]

Hello everyone, good information on the techniques being used they've worked great for me in the past. I have some questions..

My whole life I’ve experienced sleep paralysis so I’m comfortable enough to discern this from actually lucid dreaming. Regarding my perceptions and preconceived ideas at the time, from my own personal experience at that time when I was first messing around with astral travel I hadn’t found that many sources so I didn’t have much to go on.. so not to many pre conceived idea’s. I was researching how the military was using remote viewers since they conducted a lot of research and money toward this, which gave it some validity for me.

I started practicing, one night I was just starring at my body, the next night I wanted to try and separate from my body and try to read something on my desk, (to prove to myself if this was accurate or If I was just dreaming..) The next night when I finally successfully separated from my body I was going up, stoked on the fact that it was actually working, then an entity (archon?) confronted me (appearing as if it came from a different realm…dimension..i don’t know or from behind a veil, a lot like the classic powell peralta logo). Maybe this entity could be considered one of those Astral Vampires?

Well after that encounter I just started reading a lot trying to figure out what this thing was, I came to the conclusion that it was an archon by the descriptions I’ve read. It looked a lot like LAM, the entity that Aleister Crowley encountered but skinnier with a smaller forehead.

For the past two years I’ve been researching occult material so I feel a little more comfortable practicing, so I started again. However recently I’ve been running into difficulty separating from my body, I lie stuck in sleep paralysis. One night I awoke in sleep paralysis mode (I was sleeping on my stomach) and was viewing my body where I then came under attack I guess you could say… pretty much was getting molested … so currently I’m just wondering why that happened, what was doing it,and how I can prevent this.

As for the previous encounter, this is the best explanation for what i saw concerning the Archons.

"The Archons may be regarded as progeny of Sophia, but not in the same sense as species born and sustained in Gaia's womb, the terrestrial biosphere. In fact, they are called Archons (from the Greek archai, "primordial, first, antecedent in time") because they arise in the planetary system before Earth was formed into a habitat for life. Sophia's unilateral Dreaming produced a power surge from the cosmic center, and the Goddess, shooting forth like a torrential current, impacted the inert fields of primordial matter in an unusual way. Gnostic texts use the term "aborted fetus" to describe the results of this impact..

A veil exists between the world above, and the realms that are below; and shadow came into being beneath the veil. Some of the shadow became matter, and was projected apart. And what Sophia created became a product in the matter, like an aborted fetus.

(The Hypostasis of the Archons, 94: 5 - 15) "

Anyone know anything in depth about these archons?

[White Crane Feather]

Hello everyone, good information on the techniques being used they've worked great for me in the past. I have some questions..

My whole life I’ve experienced sleep paralysis so I’m comfortable enough to discern this from actually lucid dreaming. Regarding my perceptions and preconceived ideas at the time, from my own personal experience at that time when I was first messing around with astral travel I hadn’t found that many sources so I didn’t have much to go on.. so not to many pre conceived idea’s. I was researching how the military was using remote viewers since they conducted a lot of research and money toward this, which gave it some validity for me.

I started practicing, one night I was just starring at my body, the next night I wanted to try and separate from my body and try to read something on my desk, (to prove to myself if this was accurate or If I was just dreaming..) The next night when I finally successfully separated from my body I was going up, stoked on the fact that it was actually working, then an entity (archon?) confronted me (appearing as if it came from a different realm…dimension..i don’t know or from behind a veil, a lot like the classic powell peralta logo). Maybe this entity could be considered one of those Astral Vampires?

Well after that encounter I just started reading a lot trying to figure out what this thing was, I came to the conclusion that it was an archon by the descriptions I’ve read. It looked a lot like LAM, the entity that Aleister Crowley encountered but skinnier with a smaller forehead.

For the past two years I’ve been researching occult material so I feel a little more comfortable practicing, so I started again. However recently I’ve been running into difficulty separating from my body, I lie stuck in sleep paralysis. One night I awoke in sleep paralysis mode (I was sleeping on my stomach) and was viewing my body where I then came under attack I guess you could say… pretty much was getting molested … so currently I’m just wondering why that happened, what was doing it,and how I can prevent this.

As for the previous encounter, this is the best explanation for what i saw concerning the Archons.

"The Archons may be regarded as progeny of Sophia, but not in the same sense as species born and sustained in Gaia's womb, the terrestrial biosphere. In fact, they are called Archons (from the Greek archai, "primordial, first, antecedent in time") because they arise in the planetary system before Earth was formed into a habitat for life. Sophia's unilateral Dreaming produced a power surge from the cosmic center, and the Goddess, shooting forth like a torrential current, impacted the inert fields of primordial matter in an unusual way. Gnostic texts use the term "aborted fetus" to describe the results of this impact..

A veil exists between the world above, and the realms that are below; and shadow came into being beneath the veil. Some of the shadow became matter, and was projected apart. And what Sophia created became a product in the matter, like an aborted fetus.

(The Hypostasis of the Archons, 94: 5 - 15) "

Anyone know anything in depth about these archons?

I don't know much about that lore... There Is as much material like that as there are cultures. I do know that many including myself have experienced a similar entity. The phenomenon has been labeled the guardian. It's as much of a reflection of anxiety and lak of confidence as it may be an attacker because you may be weekend by those things. I have my own theories, but those that experience it ( and it's not everyone). The solution has two parts. 1) set a trap for it after it attacks. Pretend to sleep but really be in a position to Jump out of body and attack it furiously. It will come back while you are pretending to be asleep. Then fight with it furiously and try to pinn it somhow. You will succeed.

2) during your Next journey or right after, go looking for it on purpose, you be the hunter. When you find it. Stomp it out of existence. When you come back from this a huge weight will be lifted. You will feel all anxiety leave you forever.

Personally I think it's either 1) a mifestation of fear itself 2) a guiding spirit that challenges you to the point of action and sets you on a process to rid yourself of fear. An initiation off sorts.

Trust me I was shocked to find out that I was not the only one who went through these exact sequences before gaining knowledge out there.

Good luck

Let me know how I can help.

Edited December 30, 2011 by Seeker79

[bLu3 de 3n3rgy]

My house wasnt the same though it did look similar to the real world house that i live in ( for some reason i broke the law of not stepping out on the first projection )..... I flew around a bit with little control and then woke up in the real world thanks to the phone ringing...

The above is what I`m convinced is a lucid dream at least... I probably just dreamt of having a projection... But the sensation of separation from the physical body was something i havent felt ever even in a dream... Probably my mental projection of what a projection would be like...

Right this is a good one to discuss. I have followed the discussion between yourself and Seeker, but wanted to track back to this part to offer my perspective.

First of all i want to say don't convince yourself of anything just yet. Hopefully this comes out in a way which makes sense and if not, please do say so as this can get complex and quite long.

It is not uncommon to project and perceive your everyday surroundings as a slightly distorted version of what you 'know' as being structured in 3d reality - 3d is what we call the physical plane.

One of the greatest eye openers for me was learning how things structurally exist and 'share space' in other dimensions. We may assume and expect that once we are comfortable with accepting 'multi dimensions' that everything is an exact replica, rigidly stamped upon every dimensional layer and space between, but it is not the case. When we experience distortion of our surroundings, is a sign of a couple of things.

1. External reasons:-

• Dimensional layers overlapping in that particular spot. Everything energetically speaking is always vibrating, layers do shift around and dimensions are not all on the same level or 'quality' - lower/higher. When i am aware of this happening I call it criss crossing. It's like experiencing 2 places say on earth, 2 places that in 3d have 150 miles or 6000 miles distance between them, but become criss crossed for whatever and so become aligned within the same 'space'. Meaning when you are projected or just sensitive enough you may be able to perceive this criss cross. This also ties into the subject of portals and vortexs which are naturally centred around the earth. And this also explains i feel some kinds of hauntings and ET experiences people have.
  
• Time. Time is a subject on it's own right for the astral projector, but sometimes overlaps and distortions are time line related and once you get your head around time as energetic flow, it can affect areas on a local level. Past, present, future, time and distance does not serve to the same rules they do in 3d. Time and distance is completely irrelevant. For instance for a period of time every time i projected and was aware of my local area I saw how an existing building which i knew inside out was now looking completely different. It was rebuilt, refurbished and extended in size. And it was not a one off to see this. It had extra rooms and floors and stairwell. A year or so later it was announced the existing building was to be extended and refurbished. And the work was carried out to completion. So, what i was seeing was how structurally it had changed energetically on the astral level before it was physically altered at another time.
  

2. Internal reasons:-

• Your own perceptions. Sometimes perceptions can be 'off' skewered or just not able to comprehend the reality of what is there, making things appear in away which only you can interpret and if there is not a sufficient true way to interpret (lack of experience) then what i call your "nonsense filter" is triggered to fill in the gaps. This being your ego and where belief systems/societal programming is attached. Not to go off topic but this is why you will come across the good advice time and time again of working through your issues, fear issues and putting ego aside. The more you can shed and empty of your "nonsense filter" the less influence it has on you and the less influence other things can have on you. What you see is relative to what you understand and this grows as you develop and experience more. It is why the same entity may appear to one person as a demon but to someone with no nonsense filter influencing, they simply see another being and will have a clearer picture of the beings intentions.
  
• Level of consciousness. It would be wrong to ignore this part at this stage but won't be something you have to worry about at the moment. I wrote briefly in my second post about this also. Just like with the concept of mulit dimensions, ie astral levels/realms, we our selves are multi dimensional beings as far as our different levels of consciousness goes. We can use astral projection to explore the higher aspects of our consciousness and true being - "higher self" - to me that is the true goal of astral projection.
  
• However our ego consciousness and what seeker describes as our 'animal mind' can be a level of consciousness which if engaged will affect profoundly the level of astral experience.
  

1. your running with your most primitive set of filters and blinkers on at this level. so how you perceive your environment, entities, things will alter.

2. if this is the level of consciousness you are holding and energetically being (most people are in ego-consciousness constantly in their day to day being and never shift) then your astral experiences will reflect this. Again this is why the good advice of dealing with any major emotional issues is well heeded.

Anyway back to the next point:-

Probably my mental projection of what a projection would be like...

Mental projection still counts as astral projection. Projection is projection whether one is awake or in a sleep state. Conscious projection is projection with the intention to consciously project in real time, again either mentally or full body. Mental projection is less work, takes less energy and allows one to project while awake/multi tasking etc. Just something to consider.