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hello everyone. I was reffered here by the MD.

Hows everyone doing?

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Hi The Dreamer hybrid.. how are you doing?

I've been messing around a bit with Geometry in my mediation states lately, but not intentionally because I've had flu.

In one session I was making geometric square seeds that grew into trees and bouncing all around them, like bouncing 30 feet high. Was brief & dreamlike, I had control though, but it was a very numb experience... (I guess this could be seen as projecting?)

@ seeker. I think see what you mean about labelling issues & boxing up or explaining these things away.. Calling these events 'Hypnagogia' or 'phosphenes' for me is labelling them as events at different scales I guess. That's not taking away the fact that these events are part of deeper layers of consciousness.

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Well i had one of my strangest experiences with Time while LD'ing.

It started off as an average dream but i traversed time into parralel world twice, then woke up. One of the strangest and most realistic ive had to date.

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Okay guys so early this morning i randomly woke up. After i woke up i wasn't really awake, but i wasn't a sleep either, i was just laying there not really thinking of anything just staring into the woodwork of my bed, and then all of a sudden i started seeing symbols, and images started to manifest on the woodwork for my Bed. I believe that i was still in a dream like state even though i was able to move, and my eyes were awake. Is this still Hypnagogia, or something else? Because last night before i lost consciousness i remember i heard a loud "Bang/POP" like dishes falling on the ground and breaking, inside of my head. From what i have read this is one of the signs that a OBE is about to occur. What do you guys think?

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Okay guys so early this morning i randomly woke up. After i woke up i wasn't really awake, but i wasn't a sleep either, i was just laying there not really thinking of anything just staring into the woodwork of my bed, and then all of a sudden i started seeing symbols, and images started to manifest on the woodwork for my Bed. I believe that i was still in a dream like state even though i was able to move, and my eyes were awake. Is this still Hypnagogia, or something else? Because last night before i lost consciousness i remember i heard a loud "Bang/POP" like dishes falling on the ground and breaking, inside of my head. From what i have read this is one of the signs that a OBE is about to occur. What do you guys think?

Sounds like you were drifting along the continuum of conciousness. I have heard both of those things before. See of you can draw one if the symbols.

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Am wondering now if other folks out there have been seeing sacred geometry & changes within it lately?

Also, & it is related, experiencing flu-like symptoms & or a temporary disconnection or disorientation from the spatial world?

Reason why I ask is because I've found some interesting synchronicities / breadcrumbs & experiences regarding this lately.

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Am wondering now if other folks out there have been seeing sacred geometry & changes within it lately?

Also, & it is related, experiencing flu-like symptoms & or a temporary disconnection or disorientation from the spatial world?

Reason why I ask is because I've found some interesting synchronicities / breadcrumbs & experiences regarding this lately.

Can you go into more detail about each of your points here?

The thing about experiencing flu like symptoms and periods of either disconnection or hyper connection ( where all my sensory perceptions are more sensitive or more out of control) is real for me. I call it energy flu and am going through it atm. It tends to happen when shifts locally or universally are going on, its connected to influxes of energy or 'downloads' - energy flows like waves, like a giant ocean so i like the analogy of the high and low tides/waves, as the ocean is the closes thing we have in physical form that allows us to 'see' what mass energy is like.

Its hard work on the physical part of ourselves to receive these incoming source energies at times, hence the "energy flu", esp to our neuro / endo systems but so much is being worked on and shifted thru the process of it from cellular level to energetic in your bodies. I find the best way to deal with it is to meditate on releasing blockages and energy congestion in your body, for example at the moment my back is affected, holding a lot of congestion there so i am working on releasing the congestion from my back. It might be i have to go in deep and find out why I'm congested there rather than just clear the energy on the surface level. In meditation ask to connect to your physical body awareness and have a conversation about the pain and flu symptoms you are feeling. Tell your body that it is a energetic process and that it will be ok. Drinking lots of water helps too.

Still i would like to hear more details about what your brought up there.

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Not long after I saw the big geometric shapes (actually it may have been the same or next night) I got something of rude awakening as in a strong feeling that someone ran two fingers down the centre of my spine.. Is interesting that you've mentioned that your back is effected, because I've had a tight/heavy feeling in the center of my spine since.. Then the flu came, and have had that for about 5 days, but am still recovering..

The flu was something strange, and it there was no coughing or runny nose, but a general if not deep disconnection/dreamlike state of just not really being part of the outside world.. It took me about two days of bashing my elbows on door-frames and stubbing my heals and toes on steps and damn near anything and everything before I realised that what I was experiencing was a disconnection of where my body ended and where the outside world began.. Once I realised this a started a process of, err, I guess it was centering, or re-defining or re-learning my boundaries. Not sure how to explain it, but I felt the need to re-define my physical boundaries.

The Geometry I saw, one part in particular, sent me off in a search to try and find some meaning behind it. It was a circle, four lines, and a circle in between. The closest match I could find on the internet was something called the CAT system of education. http://www.johnbritto.org/publications/2009/11/28/children-and-the-desired-education-system/

Ironically, this is something I had mused about in another thread here at UM, I didn't know that someone had actually put it together. The symbol basically shows a discovery based means of educating, rather than our current flawed system. The next closest symbol that resembles this is that of the deathly hallows..

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(This is roughly what I saw, but all lines apart from the bottom one were coming together)

(Also bare in mind this was only one point of a mandella like compass that was moving and changing and way to complicated to remember)

At any rate, I did feel that my illness was directly related to my meditation to the point where I even started goggling to try and find out if meditation can be detrimental to your health. Which according to some articles, deep transcendental meditation can cause spacial dysplasia. I've also touched up and delved a bit deeper into what I know about sacred geometry, and was surprised to find this.. http://www.thecamino.com.ar/the_platonic_solids_and_sacred_g.htm Which explains how when there are shifts/changes in our specific geometric patterns the physical manifestation of flu, headaches, diarrhea, rashes, muscle and joint aches, chest pains, all matched what I was experiencing..

TBH It's been a rough ride.. I even questioned weather I should stop meditating altogether, but doubt I could now because It's so engrained in my being.. Hell I even do little 5 second micro meditations at work.

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Not long after I saw the big geometric shapes (actually it may have been the same or next night) I got something of rude awakening as in a strong feeling that someone ran two fingers down the centre of my spine.. Is interesting that you've mentioned that your back is effected, because I've had a tight/heavy feeling in the center of my spine since.. Then the flu came, and have had that for about 5 days, but am still recovering..

Sounds like an activation (kundalini or hara alignment) burning through some sort of major blockage or binding. These channels run up along the spine and run on beyond your physical body on both ends, connecting your multi dimensional bodies. In a non developed non awake person these channels are mostly blocked and binded, which plays the role of keeping consciousness and perceptions locked down in linear 3d/4d mode.

Ironically you called it a rude awakening, because it is an awakening of sorts. Your experience provides clear clues as to what was activating since you felt the need to redefine your physical boundaries and trouble feeling where your body ends and the world begins. Your going through a growth spurt, and your body does go through a sense of rewiring and connecting to a higher level of sensory perception.

Centering is vital, being unbalanced can cause so many issues, but also do not fear the process. If grounding the normal way is not enough for you anymore try grounding both top and bottom ( to the centre of the universe and centre of the earth ) and google the hara line and work on hara alignment instead of chakras. I learned a lot about misalignment and the hara line when mine was out of line ( it was a lesson for me to go through because i always felt I couldn't ground properly, and man did they make it hard for me ) I learned that if that one thing, your hara line, is in a state of distortion or out of line, then everything else becomes so too. Even the way your life unfolds. Energy can't flow properly and fears, blocks and congestion move in causing all sorts of issues and leaks. I learned that when the hara line is 'healthy straight', all of the chakras function as they should and merge into their appropriate positions without having to do anything. Now adays i focus mainly on hara alignment and making sure all is centred - which to me makes more sense of how grounding should be than just running a cord to the earth. Because when a hara line is distorted, you can run as many cords to the earth as you like and it won't make a damn difference if there is a kink or break in the pipe work so to speak.

This is something that doesn't seem to be talked about much at all, I mean you can stumble across things to do with the hara if you specialise in energy work like reiki and so on, but the importance of it is not readily broadcast in my opinion.

I was on the brink of giving up trying to find a suitable way to ground /shield, as i been struggling to cope with it for quite a while and suffering from a lot of psychic attacks. Then one day I was meditating in the bath when the information came to me and I saw a "healing master" being/guide start to work on me in my third eye. I was given specific hand positions to hold over certain parts of my body and instructed on how long to hold each point as i was worked on and was told that my hara was distorted and that they were realigning it and teaching me how to do this.

After the energy session, I researched everything and found that the specific positions they had given me were in fact related to the hara centres, the one at the naval just below the belly button, and the one at the thymus/heart centre as well as one below the feet and above the crown. I then understood why these points were important and why whenever i worked on the heart/thymus centre that it would merge into the throat / neck and activate the arms/hands and everything else. I had always felt and seen that happen before, and understood the importance and difference between working from the heart centre and not - but I didn't quite know how it tied into alignment or hara alignment. When the hara is not aligned it can block you from accessing your heart / higher awareness too.

So the revised version of hara work i do now to replace "chakra work" although it still incorporates the chakras, is all about the hara line and hara centres. Any hara diagram will show where the centres are, but basically you want to achieve a straight line that is actually a channel for energy/life force and connection from centre to centre starting from between the naval and thymus/heart centre. Then down through the root to about a foot below your feet. This centre is sometimes called the earth chakra. Then from the thymus/heart centre straight up thru the crown to a couple of feet above the crown, this is connected entirely to your higher dimensional self. Link all of these centres up so there is no breaks or disconnects, and then u can shield and ground from that alignment and point of centredness 20 fold.

The Geometry I saw, one part in particular, sent me off in a search to try and find some meaning behind it. It was a circle, four lines, and a circle in between. The closest match I could find on the internet was something called the CAT system of education. http://www.johnbritt...ucation-system/

Ironically, this is something I had mused about in another thread here at UM, I didn't know that someone had actually put it together. The symbol basically shows a discovery based means of educating, rather than our current flawed system. The next closest symbol that resembles this is that of the deathly hallows..

68agxx.jpg

(This is roughly what I saw, but all lines apart from the bottom one were coming together)

(Also bare in mind this was only one point of a mandella like compass that was moving and changing and way to complicated to remember)

At any rate, I did feel that my illness was directly related to my meditation to the point where I even started goggling to try and find out if meditation can be detrimental to your health. Which according to some articles, deep transcendental meditation can cause spacial dysplasia. I've also touched up and delved a bit deeper into what I know about sacred geometry, and was surprised to find this.. http://www.thecamino...nd_sacred_g.htm Which explains how when there are shifts/changes in our specific geometric patterns the physical manifestation of flu, headaches, diarrhea, rashes, muscle and joint aches, chest pains, all matched what I was experiencing..

TBH It's been a rough ride.. I even questioned weather I should stop meditating altogether, but doubt I could now because It's so engrained in my being.. Hell I even do little 5 second micro meditations at work.

I think the symbol you were shown is no coincidence, nice little synchrony there! sacred geometry is a language and you are clearly finding a great connection to it. The symbol given to you feels like it could be communicating something that will involve you or comes from something you were involved with in another life, a skill or knowledge behind all that which you have.

Since we are talking about symbols and geometry, and energy flu I though this would be cool to show -

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This sacred geometry is the code for the multi dimensional body. It's called the tree of life and this diagram attempts to overlay it to show how the geometry represents the charka and hara and meridians /energy channels and systems of the body and soul. The diagram is not completely accurate, but it gives an idea of how far geometry can illustrate meaning as literal building blocks, more than what "3d language in words can ever do.

I have still to read the other link about how changes in our geometric pattering can cause 'energy flu' - looks interesting and taking things to a very deep level, i will post my thoughts on it in a bit. :tu:

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The guide doesn't state whether it's a linear or cyclical process, but from my experience it is more of a cyclical process and will be until all layers have been sifted through. I think that info is pretty spot on though and is useful to help one see that energy flu is part of the process. At the moment and for some time i have been having issues with food/water and my metabolism/digestion, so i can see that this stage is one that i am repeating again. Been there and through that part a few times. To me it's a pretty blatant clue that your body is giving you, that an upgrade or growth spurt is in progress when that happens. Weirdly during this bout of energy flu, i went thru a 24 hrs of purging literally, including vomiting multiple times.

I have to keep tweaking my diet to find out what is causing the off balance. For a short time i found it helpful to eat stodge and sugary things because i needed the grounding, but that doesn't serve me anymore - i have this theory that when we crave sugar and high carb things, alcohol included, that we are really subconsciously seeking to feel more grounded, i believe that is one reason why people become dependant on alcohol. It does work for a short time, but that kind of diet can also begin to dull you over time.

What do you make of it? maybe we can all start recording our energy flu symptoms here as and when we get it.

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Just had my first successful AP... I don't mean to derail the conversation, as it's quite interesting.

I was laying on the couch, taking a nap. I wasn't particularly interested in sleeping, just relaxing/meditating. As I was laying down, I was focusing on aligning hara, and connecting to earth/universe. After a few moments of this, I continued relaxing, and was just laying there and simply "being". I started to hear the 1000 waterfalls, and the sinking feeling, right as I did I slid my leg over the edge of the couch. I thought I had physically moved, so I opened my physical eyes, and I saw my physical legs right where I knew they would be, but then I saw my astral leg popping out of my real leg. It was as if when I opened my real eyes, it activated my third eye, simultaneously. All I did was sit up and shift myself down to the opposite edge of the couch, to sit. When I was moving, astrally, I could see out of my physical eyes, and my third eye. I could see the coffee table from my physical eyes, but could also see the rest of the room, from my astral location.

While I was out, and sitting at the opposite end of the couch, I looked at my hands. What was weird, was that I couldn't see them. I knew they were there, but they were "invisible". As I moved them, I could see the energy of them, kinda like a "heat-wave" that dissipates from the top of a hot car hood. (a good analogy is the movie predator, when the predator goes invisible... you can still see the general outline, but has that "heat-wave" look to it.

There was a dog, while I was out. His head was nuzzled right next to where my physical body's head was. I knew the dog, and while it was going on, I thought it was my dog, but am now realizing that it's my friends dog(same bread). While he was sitting there with his head perched next to my physical head, he started leaving out "warning growls". My dog does them, too, when the cat starts playing too close to him when he's sleeping. I wasn't afraid of him, they are not a display of anger, just a general "I'm bothered with this right now". He never made a move, or anything, he just sat there and let out those unsettled growls. After this, I decided I need to wake up, so I can write this stuff down!

One other thing to add, is that my movements were very sluggish. As if my whole body was numb, and it was very hard to control my motor functions.

Any thoughts? Personally, just sitting here, writing this down, and thinking about it has really opened my eyes to the symbolism behind these things.

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I think it's awesome, and it sounds like you are on your way. Nothing sounds out if the ordinary there with first experiences. Like I say it's like learning to walk again.

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Just had my first successful AP... I don't mean to derail the conversation, as it's quite interesting.

I was laying on the couch, taking a nap. I wasn't particularly interested in sleeping, just relaxing/meditating. As I was laying down, I was focusing on aligning hara, and connecting to earth/universe. After a few moments of this, I continued relaxing, and was just laying there and simply "being". I started to hear the 1000 waterfalls, and the sinking feeling, right as I did I slid my leg over the edge of the couch. I thought I had physically moved, so I opened my physical eyes, and I saw my physical legs right where I knew they would be, but then I saw my astral leg popping out of my real leg. It was as if when I opened my real eyes, it activated my third eye, simultaneously. All I did was sit up and shift myself down to the opposite edge of the couch, to sit. When I was moving, astrally, I could see out of my physical eyes, and my third eye. I could see the coffee table from my physical eyes, but could also see the rest of the room, from my astral location.

While I was out, and sitting at the opposite end of the couch, I looked at my hands. What was weird, was that I couldn't see them. I knew they were there, but they were "invisible". As I moved them, I could see the energy of them, kinda like a "heat-wave" that dissipates from the top of a hot car hood. (a good analogy is the movie predator, when the predator goes invisible... you can still see the general outline, but has that "heat-wave" look to it.

There was a dog, while I was out. His head was nuzzled right next to where my physical body's head was. I knew the dog, and while it was going on, I thought it was my dog, but am now realizing that it's my friends dog(same bread). While he was sitting there with his head perched next to my physical head, he started leaving out "warning growls". My dog does them, too, when the cat starts playing too close to him when he's sleeping. I wasn't afraid of him, they are not a display of anger, just a general "I'm bothered with this right now". He never made a move, or anything, he just sat there and let out those unsettled growls. After this, I decided I need to wake up, so I can write this stuff down!

One other thing to add, is that my movements were very sluggish. As if my whole body was numb, and it was very hard to control my motor functions.

Any thoughts? Personally, just sitting here, writing this down, and thinking about it has really opened my eyes to the symbolism behind these things.

You're lucky it comes so easy and natural to you. I have a hard time even getting vibrations, but I have a really hard time concentrating and meditating too. My thoughts seem to wander off to different things easily. I heard decalcifying your pineal gland could help with lucid dreamings and astral projection so that will be my goal for the next few months.

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You're lucky it comes so easy and natural to you. I have a hard time even getting vibrations, but I have a really hard time concentrating and meditating too. My thoughts seem to wander off to different things easily. I heard decalcifying your pineal gland could help with lucid dreamings and astral projection so that will be my goal for the next few months.

I wouldn't quite say that it "comes easy" to me... locating vibrations, for myself, comes easy... but raising them to the point of exiting is a whole different story.

The best advice that I've taken, in this persuit of AP, is not trying for it. Focus on meditation/energies/healing/etc, and AP will come with them. Honestly, this afternoon while napping, I had no intention of AP at all. It was only when I had the vibrations that I thought, "I might as well try".

Seeker, thank you for your thoughts. Definitely like learning to walk, and I didn't even try to walk! I merely crawled across the couch!... I guess you have to crawl before you can walk.

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Way to go B! :clap:

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What do you make of it? maybe we can all start recording our energy flu symptoms here as and when we get it.

I think it's a great idea that we all start recording these symptoms when they occur.. :tu: Another thing I've thought about is to start recording relevant hypnogogic images, perhaps in another thread. It would be interesting to see correlations in what the collective consciousness can see when the Ego is down.. It's something me and B Randomly have done before, and can be quite enlightening.

Initially what I made of it was that I received some sort of download and perhaps it was caused or initiated by my actions/experiences (such as cracking 6th dimension) because I was ready for it as opposed to being part of some mass upgrade.. The guide made a lot of sense because it's something I've experienced before, but failed to make the connection..

TBH I didn't think that the knot in my back was a blockage, or that the rude awakening was an awakening.. Yet after spending yesterday afternoon goggling hara lines & a good few hours of hara grounding, meditating and contemplating on this I've made a lot of those non-linear discoveries you hear about. My best meditation sessions & connections in the past, & dreams, have been made when I've had a lot of energy/feeling in the tan tien. So, yep, me thinks it was blockage that's been holding me back lately, especially after recording my first dream in over two months this morning.. Also, and I think this is a biggie for me, true intention rises from the tan tien, not the mind. I think, and I sure hope I'm not wrong, that the Tan Tien is the engine, the mind is the vehicle..

I didn't know much If anything about Hara lines before yesterday... Thanks..

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Just had my first successful AP... I don't mean to derail the conversation, as it's quite interesting.

I was laying on the couch, taking a nap. I wasn't particularly interested in sleeping, just relaxing/meditating. As I was laying down, I was focusing on aligning hara, and connecting to earth/universe. After a few moments of this, I continued relaxing, and was just laying there and simply "being". I started to hear the 1000 waterfalls, and the sinking feeling, right as I did I slid my leg over the edge of the couch. I thought I had physically moved, so I opened my physical eyes, and I saw my physical legs right where I knew they would be, but then I saw my astral leg popping out of my real leg. It was as if when I opened my real eyes, it activated my third eye, simultaneously. All I did was sit up and shift myself down to the opposite edge of the couch, to sit. When I was moving, astrally, I could see out of my physical eyes, and my third eye. I could see the coffee table from my physical eyes, but could also see the rest of the room, from my astral location.

While I was out, and sitting at the opposite end of the couch, I looked at my hands. What was weird, was that I couldn't see them. I knew they were there, but they were "invisible". As I moved them, I could see the energy of them, kinda like a "heat-wave" that dissipates from the top of a hot car hood. (a good analogy is the movie predator, when the predator goes invisible... you can still see the general outline, but has that "heat-wave" look to it.

There was a dog, while I was out. His head was nuzzled right next to where my physical body's head was. I knew the dog, and while it was going on, I thought it was my dog, but am now realizing that it's my friends dog(same bread). While he was sitting there with his head perched next to my physical head, he started leaving out "warning growls". My dog does them, too, when the cat starts playing too close to him when he's sleeping. I wasn't afraid of him, they are not a display of anger, just a general "I'm bothered with this right now". He never made a move, or anything, he just sat there and let out those unsettled growls. After this, I decided I need to wake up, so I can write this stuff down!

One other thing to add, is that my movements were very sluggish. As if my whole body was numb, and it was very hard to control my motor functions.

Any thoughts? Personally, just sitting here, writing this down, and thinking about it has really opened my eyes to the symbolism behind these things.

Congrats! yay lol it reminds of that scene in avatar when he is first assimilating with his new body, and he wobbles and lurches all over the place as he breaks out of the labs. He has a whole new dimension to suss out.

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I think it's a great idea that we all start recording these symptoms when they occur.. :tu: Another thing I've thought about is to start recording relevant hypnogogic images, perhaps in another thread. It would be interesting to see correlations in what the collective consciousness can see when the Ego is down.. It's something me and B Randomly have done before, and can be quite enlightening.

Initially what I made of it was that I received some sort of download and perhaps it was caused or initiated by my actions/experiences (such as cracking 6th dimension) because I was ready for it as opposed to being part of some mass upgrade.. The guide made a lot of sense because it's something I've experienced before, but failed to make the connection..

TBH I didn't think that the knot in my back was a blockage, or that the rude awakening was an awakening.. Yet after spending yesterday afternoon goggling hara lines & a good few hours of hara grounding, meditating and contemplating on this I've made a lot of those non-linear discoveries you hear about. My best meditation sessions & connections in the past, & dreams, have been made when I've had a lot of energy/feeling in the tan tien. So, yep, me thinks it was blockage that's been holding me back lately, especially after recording my first dream in over two months this morning.. Also, and I think this is a biggie for me, true intention rises from the tan tien, not the mind. I think, and I sure hope I'm not wrong, that the Tan Tien is the engine, the mind is the vehicle..

I didn't know much If anything about Hara lines before yesterday... Thanks..

The tan tien in many philosophies is the seat of the soul or in qigong, where life force is pooled and stored. Energy meditation work or qigong, tai chi or yoga practices all aim to achieve the same thing in keeping that centre and others replenished and the hara lines aligned and strong by forming a strong core and channel. Whether people know that is what it is doing for them or not. Obviously those who have the perception and awareness of it can take it further and incorporate it into other things, like shielding, grounding, projection, healing.

It's possible to develop a sensitive enough sensory perception of your energy field and bodies to the extent that u can feel when energy stagnates or congestion builds up ( dense energy or energy that is to far out of 'align with you' either as neg or highly vibratory, can be felt as a pain or discomfort or even nausea) before it even becomes a physical problem. Yet the sensory perception of it will be relied to your awareness as if it is a physical issue, hence these kind of back or body aches and 3rd eye type headaches that are nearly always fixable by shifting / transmuting the energy congestion or block.

Feel free to start thread for recording stuff.

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Bro what you describe is called Remote Viewing

Just noticed someone said this, and I am horribly sorry for such a late reply.

The thing is, you call it remote viewing but we call it mental projection. If it does not fit in I would be more than willing to ask a moderator to strike that post.

Not intending to derail, or disrespect other's views as to what projection is or is not.

Just curious here, does anyone have a list of beings that are commonly used to communicate with?

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Sounds like you were drifting along the continuum of conciousness. I have heard both of those things before. See of you can draw one if the symbols.

Can you explain what you mean by the continuum of consciousness? I goggled it but i wasn't sure what to narrow my search results on. Also side note i toke a nap yesterday and when i woke up i saw something like a huge shell on my wall. I looked twice to make sure i wasn't dreaming but of course when i got up to go check it out it is no longer there.

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Can you explain what you mean by the continuum of consciousness? I goggled it but i wasn't sure what to narrow my search results on. Also side note i toke a nap yesterday and when i woke up i saw something like a huge shell on my wall. I looked twice to make sure i wasn't dreaming but of course when i got up to go check it out it is no longer there.

A continuum is like a rainbow. A range of something without any clear distinctions between transitions. Red and blue are quite different, but the transition is impossible to identify.

You saw a shell? Have you thought about takeing a trip to the ocean?

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Hello,

Good to see that you have got it started Seeker.

I will be adding my Astral Projection segment soon. Been busy with xmas/family.

PoP, it's good to know that everyone has their own experience of the astral realms, and how they 'perceive' is down to their own unique filters on life. Filters being our perceptions which are shaped by our beliefs and experiences. That is what makes us unique and that is what produces such a diverse range of 'astral accounts and encounters'. However this effect at the level of the primitive/ego mind introduces a serious flaw to how we process what our many filters try to cope with in making something fit our realm of understanding. That means there is always going to be an element of distortion to the truth in every story and account.

When one lacks the raw experience, then the belief or dogma they have taken on either sub consciously or consciously will fill in the gaps and create an understanding which comfortably fits said belief system and ego. Or if 'a' belief system is so heavily ingrained into the being then even their raw experiences will be influenced in the way their belief system shapes their perceptions. There is great value in learning to understand this flaw if you do intend to get into astral projection and learning to discern for yourself what is true.

When you said, and let me quote - "Imposters running crazily around the net claiming all kind of things, from possessions to "Astral Vampires" --know that they probably believe their experiences are valid and that they will have their reasons for perceiving and labelling those things as they do. Fear is most likely the number one reason, but it doesn't mean that there is zil nothing to it.

It's funny you mention Astral Vampires. Because one time when i was younger i was sick in bed, and it was a nice day outside. I could hear my friends outside playing and i wanted to join them so bad that i had a obe without knowing what a obe was at the time. I remember them playing hide and seek and i could actually see them counting i tried to get there attention but they wouldn't respond. I remember floating up past my neighboors house and i saw some "Creature" like entity that scared me so bad it woke me up. I am saying creature because i don't remember what it looked like.

But these Astral Entities are real. Because at the time i had no idea what an OBE was and had no "Fear" being little. But something i saw while out of body scared me back into my body.

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I have a hypothetical question that just popped into my mind:

What would happen/ what would you think would happen if while in an obe one would travel, say into a dark hole?

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It's funny you mention Astral Vampires. Because one time when i was younger i was sick in bed, and it was a nice day outside. I could hear my friends outside playing and i wanted to join them so bad that i had a obe without knowing what a obe was at the time. I remember them playing hide and seek and i could actually see them counting i tried to get there attention but they wouldn't respond. I remember floating up past my neighboors house and i saw some "Creature" like entity that scared me so bad it woke me up. I am saying creature because i don't remember what it looked like.

But these Astral Entities are real. Because at the time i had no idea what an OBE was and had no "Fear" being little. But something i saw while out of body scared me back into my body.

You would probably just go back into you're physical body. It's only the ether body that projects so nothing can happen to you physically.

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Seeker, have an interesting question for you(or anyone else who would like to add). You said, in the other thread, about opening your third eye while meditating. When you do this, you see your surroundings with the amber hue to everything.

When I meditate, I open my third eye for short intervals... but it's rarely my surroundings. I've only had 2 or 3 times that I've done this that it's my actual "real time" surroundings. They are usually just "random" images, or short snips of a person, place, nature, scenario, etc.

It's got me thinking, because when I had my obe, the other day, it was my surroundings that I was seeing/experiencing rather than something displaced from my immediate surroundings. Is this because of the "level" of focus/energy, or is there some other driving factor to this, like intention, etc? When I was oob, there was a clear intention that "I need to see", but I also recognize the fact that when I was oob, there is a marked difference in my level of focus/energy.

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