White Crane Feather Posted May 10, 2015 #1251 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Are you sure you are moving your physical and not your astral? It doesn't feel any different. At least it hasn't in my experience It dosnt. Not until you make a reality check or you have done it so many times you can just tell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor T Posted June 9, 2015 #1252 Share Posted June 9, 2015 ? Had a curious transition from normal dream to Astral last week.. In the dream I stepped into an elevator that was small and dark.. There was a 3 dimensional pale electric blue spiral or corkscrew image inside that I ended up standing inside of.. inside the lift... well, it's hard to describe, but I was in a world that was neither one or the other.. It was where solid and shadow were one and the same, and the best analogy I can come up with is that it was like Virtual Reality.. There was even a flash of a rectangular (white i think) corkscrew in a rectangle symbol that flashed before me like a (out of range) text box appears in an Oculus Rift headset when your camera is out of range of the sensors.. I recognized the symbol as a heads up that I'd stepped into a transition zone.. Has anyone else had similar?? BTW, the other side was super freaky.. I walked strait into something of a looting or robbery in progress.. Astral cops and Astral robbers.. lol... Ironically the main perp looked a lot like the Entity that attacked me a few years back.. I Think I posted that here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted June 9, 2015 #1253 Share Posted June 9, 2015 ? Had a curious transition from normal dream to Astral last week.. In the dream I stepped into an elevator that was small and dark.. There was a 3 dimensional pale electric blue spiral or corkscrew image inside that I ended up standing inside of.. inside the lift... well, it's hard to describe, but I was in a world that was neither one or the other.. It was where solid and shadow were one and the same, and the best analogy I can come up with is that it was like Virtual Reality.. There was even a flash of a rectangular (white i think) corkscrew in a rectangle symbol that flashed before me like a (out of range) text box appears in an Oculus Rift headset when your camera is out of range of the sensors.. I recognized the symbol as a heads up that I'd stepped into a transition zone.. Has anyone else had similar?? BTW, the other side was super freaky.. I walked strait into something of a looting or robbery in progress.. Astral cops and Astral robbers.. lol... Ironically the main perp looked a lot like the Entity that attacked me a few years back.. I Think I posted that here... Do tell PT. Id love to hear about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor T Posted June 10, 2015 #1254 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Do tell PT. Id love to hear about it. Page 66 on this thread.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted June 11, 2015 #1255 Share Posted June 11, 2015 during nap times usually (either when I go to sleep or when I wake up from nap time already relaxed) or in the end of the afternoon when I have some time to try a new attempt. It's 6:15pm now. I took a nap at 2pm, tried and fail then fell alseep. Then I woke up at 5pm and since I felt VERY relaxed just waking up from the nap I put myself on my back (my comfortable sleep position is on my belly) and focused on my breath counting from 0 to 100. Then I focused on the blackness of my eyelids. I arrived to a point where I didnt feel my body at all. Attempt lasted more than 1 hour and nothing. I dont understand since that waking up from a nap my body is already relaxed and I dont have any wandering thoughts, so it should be a shortcut and I should get to the treshold ! Seriously this is getting ******* boring because I put a TON of hard work every ******* day ! It's been 2 months now. I'm uber p***ed. This is not fair. I've a good soul. I'm a good person. I have important spiritual projects hence my hard work and reason why I dont give up. I asked help to spirits in these endeavors while showing good will and hard working behaviour (so I'm not asking something to spirits without putting effort in the task). My efforts should get granted and I dont progress ! I guess you are not around here anymore, but I just wanted to say for people who might be experiencing the same problems. When I first heard of this, I tried real hard for like 6 months with almost no results. Id get a very small vib feeling from time to time, but that was it. So I gave up trying. Then about 6 months later, I used one of the meditations to help relax my muscles in my back, and BAM I got a very powerful vib out no where, and was able to have a very cool AP experience that night. Point is, It didn't happen for me till I stopped trying. After that I tried really hard again, cause I saw results. And again I had very limited results. It can be funny that way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted June 11, 2015 #1256 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Page 66 on this thread.. Wow that must have been crazy. I had a attack myself a few months ago. 3 shadow things chased me outta my house. I flew out through the ceiling and just as I got through one of them grabbed my ankle. Like your experience, it actually hurt. Ive only been able to get out a couple times since then, and they were really quick. Only a few seconds, and I get sucked back in. I just started a iodine detox to remove heavy metals, and fluoride from the pineal gland. I was actually using a iodine supplement for a couple weeks back when had my first AP experience. At the time I didn't realize that may have been relevant to why I was able to do it. if it ends up working I'll let cha know. Oh, I wanted to ask ya. What is a Reiki session? And how do I go about doing that? Sounds pretty cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted June 11, 2015 #1257 Share Posted June 11, 2015 After reading through the last 30 pages or so, I decided I should probably stop telling people how to do this. Im not preparing them enough to face the experiences they might have. Till I have worked through these potentially bad experiences, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor T Posted June 12, 2015 #1258 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Wow that must have been crazy. I had a attack myself a few months ago. 3 shadow things chased me outta my house. I flew out through the ceiling and just as I got through one of them grabbed my ankle. Like your experience, it actually hurt. Ive only been able to get out a couple times since then, and they were really quick. Only a few seconds, and I get sucked back in. I just started a iodine detox to remove heavy metals, and fluoride from the pineal gland. I was actually using a iodine supplement for a couple weeks back when had my first AP experience. At the time I didn't realize that may have been relevant to why I was able to do it. if it ends up working I'll let cha know. Oh, I wanted to ask ya. What is a Reiki session? And how do I go about doing that? Sounds pretty cool. Cool experience.. Being chased out of your house sounds like you weren't protected.. Having some form of protection is pretty important. Having none is how I got stung.. Reiki is energy work, where a practitioner clears, balances and heals the chakras.. Google helped me find one locally.. There's plenty about.. All you do in show up, lay down, and... er, TBH I don't know what else they do because I was eyes closed throughout the whole thing. But basically they send healing energies through your body.. It's subtle, I guess they waves their hands about.. Lot's of people say it's all a hoax.. but the results speak for themselves as far as I'm concerned.. After reading through the last 30 pages or so, I decided I should probably stop telling people how to do this. Im not preparing them enough to face the experiences they might have. Till I have worked through these potentially bad experiences, Experiences are just that.. That attack was harsh, but a lot of good came from it that couldn't be seen at the time. Hindsight teaches us that every experience, good or bad, is merely an opportunity to grow if only we are courageous enough to grab it, admit our faults, and use the experiences for positive change in our lives.. I'm definitely no expert in this kind of thing, but have been practicing long enough now to sometimes have a vague kind of sense about why these things happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted June 13, 2015 #1259 Share Posted June 13, 2015 Cool experience.. Being chased out of your house sounds like you weren't protected.. Having some form of protection is pretty important. Having none is how I got stung.. Yea I figured it would be enough to not be afraid. To be confident. I guess that's still possible. Problem is they caught me totally by surprise. I was neither unafraid or confident. I woke up during a midday nap to the vib. Once I got out I was really excited cause I hadn't been out in forever. So I go walking into my living room thinking about the possibilities before me when I see the three of them standing in my kitchen. Even though I was totally shocked to see them, I knew sooner or later I was gonna have to deal with something like that. Everything I said to prepare myself for this in weeks/months past went right out the window. I tried to stand firm. But they didn't care. They came walking right towards me. Once I saw that my weak defiance meant nothing to them, I decided it was time to run. Reiki is energy work, where a practitioner clears, balances and heals the chakras.. Google helped me find one locally.. There's plenty about.. All you do in show up, lay down, and... er, TBH I don't know what else they do because I was eyes closed throughout the whole thing. But basically they send healing energies through your body.. It's subtle, I guess they waves their hands about.. Lot's of people say it's all a hoax.. but the results speak for themselves as far as I'm concerned.. Experiences are just that.. That attack was harsh, but a lot of good came from it that couldn't be seen at the time. Hindsight teaches us that every experience, good or bad, is merely an opportunity to grow if only we are courageous enough to grab it, admit our faults, and use the experiences for positive change in our lives.. I'm definitely no expert in this kind of thing, but have been practicing long enough now to sometimes have a vague kind of sense about why these things happen. I just talked to a friend I went to high school with. She is in to all this stuff. She said she could do a session for me. Im gonna take a whack at it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarah_444 Posted June 16, 2015 #1260 Share Posted June 16, 2015 ? Had a curious transition from normal dream to Astral last week.. In the dream I stepped into an elevator that was small and dark.. There was a 3 dimensional pale electric blue spiral or corkscrew image inside that I ended up standing inside of.. inside the lift... well, it's hard to describe, but I was in a world that was neither one or the other.. It was where solid and shadow were one and the same, and the best analogy I can come up with is that it was like Virtual Reality.. There was even a flash of a rectangular (white i think) corkscrew in a rectangle symbol that flashed before me like a (out of range) text box appears in an Oculus Rift headset when your camera is out of range of the sensors.. I recognized the symbol as a heads up that I'd stepped into a transition zone.. Has anyone else had similar?? BTW, the other side was super freaky.. I walked strait into something of a looting or robbery in progress.. Astral cops and Astral robbers.. lol... Ironically the main perp looked a lot like the Entity that attacked me a few years back.. I Think I posted that here... Your experience just reminded me a little bit of a dream I had a couple of years back. In mine, It's night and I'm going inside of an elevator. There is a key inside that I have to use to start it. Once I start going down, gravity sort of lets go and I can float around - this is where I became lucid. I then felt the air around me start to change, it's warmer and humid. When the doors open up, I came out at a beautiful tropical beach. It's bright, but sunset, and my parents are there. I don't think I stayed too long, or my recall ends soon after though. I remember being shocked at where I was and how I got there though, and standing around talking with my parents, that's it. I've had two other dreams where I remember having to use a key and soon after becoming lucid interestingly. Not every time, but I guess it's a trigger for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Crane Feather Posted June 17, 2015 #1261 Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) I guess you are not around here anymore, but I just wanted to say for people who might be experiencing the same problems. When I first heard of this, I tried real hard for like 6 months with almost no results. Id get a very small vib feeling from time to time, but that was it. So I gave up trying. Then about 6 months later, I used one of the meditations to help relax my muscles in my back, and BAM I got a very powerful vib out no where, and was able to have a very cool AP experience that night. Point is, It didn't happen for me till I stopped trying. After that I tried really hard again, cause I saw results. And again I had very limited results. It can be funny that way. "Trying" is an act of not being. I suspect you are close to this revelation. Sorry if I sound like Yoda, but trying is no good. This tiny psycological construct is important, and you are beginning to see it. Edited June 17, 2015 by White Crane Feather 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Crane Feather Posted June 17, 2015 #1262 Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) After reading through the last 30 pages or so, I decided I should probably stop telling people how to do this. Im not preparing them enough to face the experiences they might have. Till I have worked through these potentially bad experiences, No... Your take on it is important. People need perspective and to see your honest conclusions and experiences. We should not shy away from faceing these things. I don't know about anyone else, but when I was trying to figure it out I woukd not want flowers and rainbows presented. Only the truth as the person giving it can reveal. Edited June 17, 2015 by White Crane Feather 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted June 17, 2015 #1263 Share Posted June 17, 2015 No... Your take on it is important. People need perspective and to see your honest conclusions and experiences. We should not shy away from faceing these things. I don't know about anyone else, but when I was trying to figure it out I woukd not want flowers and rainbows presented. Only the truth as the person giving it can reveal. Yeah, I tend to find I tell people my better experiences, as apposed to my scary ones. I don't want to scare them off. But that isn't really doing them any favors. I have a long time friend who after I told her has expressed interest, and seems to be pretty determined. So now I don't know how to tell her things might not end up as fun as I led on. I told her, just last night in fact, that the first sign she gets that she getting results to get ahold of me right then. Im not sure exactly what im gonna say to her though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted June 17, 2015 #1264 Share Posted June 17, 2015 "Trying" is an act of not being. I suspect you are close to this revelation. Sorry if I sound like Yoda, but trying is no good. This tiny psycological construct is important, and you are beginning to see it. I do get the concept, but haven't been able to apply it. Several times Ive just 'assumed the sale' and set my mind that this was gonna happen right now, then nothing. Guess im still trying, even when I try to look past it. Had another SP last weekend while camping again. I wasn't afraid this time, but I still didn't completely understand what was happening. Instead of relaxing, I was trying to fight the paralysis, to confront the guy looking in my tent. Gotta find a way to stop reacting, and think my way through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Crane Feather Posted June 17, 2015 #1265 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I do get the concept, but haven't been able to apply it. Several times Ive just 'assumed the sale' and set my mind that this was gonna happen right now, then nothing. Guess im still trying, even when I try to look past it. Had another SP last weekend while camping again. I wasn't afraid this time, but I still didn't completely understand what was happening. Instead of relaxing, I was trying to fight the paralysis, to confront the guy looking in my tent. Gotta find a way to stop reacting, and think my way through it. Yeah it's a very difficult concept. How do you try to do something without trying? I remeber when I first started to figure out how to exit my body. I actually would simply leap up as if mounting a surf board. And I had tonthink about that very thing. I had to actually pretend to mount a surf board and lie to myself. The other way was to roll hard to one side without thinking. I would just do it with all my might. It's an awkward feeling to roll off of your bed, then start laughing at yourself for falling off thinking you did it physically only to stand up at the shocking visage of looking at yourself still lying in bed then snapping out of it to the disappointment that your surprise ruined your succesful exit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Crane Feather Posted June 17, 2015 #1266 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Yeah, I tend to find I tell people my better experiences, as apposed to my scary ones. I don't want to scare them off. But that isn't really doing them any favors. I have a long time friend who after I told her has expressed interest, and seems to be pretty determined. So now I don't know how to tell her things might not end up as fun as I led on. I told her, just last night in fact, that the first sign she gets that she getting results to get ahold of me right then. Im not sure exactly what im gonna say to her though. I made that mistake early on. I sold it as a fun thing because I thought it important for people to know it realy can be done. Then their shadow would scare the heebe Jeebes out of them and that's it. The skill has to be something you are ready for. It's not a game. I beleive we have souls trapped in an Animal body. It takes a lot of work to tame that animal and it's instincts. One only has to read through my blogs to see my many struggles with my shadow. Even gaining the ability to control it, I forget some times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Naismith Posted June 17, 2015 #1267 Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) Hello fellow meditators and astral projectors! I read the first forty or so pages of this thread and felt like the experiences and wisdom included mirrored my own spiritual journey. It was profound to watch all of you help one another and ask questions and share experiences. I think it may have been blu3 who referenced Tron: Legacy in one of their posts about attempting to create the perfect world, and knew I would feel at home among you all -- I love that movie My experience with meditation began two years ago (I am currenclty 24, married, and expecting a child! Well, my wife is. I am both excited and a trifle mortified. Needless to say, I have been engaged in some serious soul-searching and personal growth, and like I said before, finding this thread was a blessing. I especially appreciated the comments about the Dark Night of the Soul earlier on (oh, say, 50 pages back) My first experience with chakra activation resulted in the telltale spinning and vortex feelings, and I had no idea what those were until reading through this thread. I guess I still don't know what they are, other than energy moving, but I at least know they are related to exiting the body. As a side note, I find that regular meditation helps me be more healthy, less stressed, and require less sleep--all very helpful to a busy college student (I graduate next month, yay!) Anyways, sorry for the long introduction, but I made an account to share with you that this morning, I had a partial exit! I won't go into too much detail here but suffice to say, I made it about halfway out, rubbed my hands together (an extremely pleasant and intense sensation, let me tell you) and was able to get some vision of my surroundings, before my wife woke up and jolted me back into my body. I am so excited to explore further and wanted to celebrate with you all. I know it sounds weird but after spending so much time reading your posts I have come to respect and admire many of you (looking at you White Crane Feather and Blu3) and others of course. Cheers! P.S. Attached is a guide including techniques that were very helpful for getting me to my first partial separation. It may have been shared before, and the authors are pretty....militant....about their techniques and aren't looking at AP as much as an avenue to self-discovery and enlightenment, but the techniques at least are very helpful. Edited June 17, 2015 by Admiral Naismith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted June 18, 2015 #1268 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Hello Admiral. Welcome to the boards. Looks like you have found the right place. This thread started me on a amazing journey some time back. Im still feeling my way down the rabbit hole. I cant say this for every section of with web site, but this section is full of great people, who are very helpful. Thanks for the link. Im gonna check it out soon as I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor T Posted June 18, 2015 #1269 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Anyways, sorry for the long introduction, but I made an account to share with you that this morning, I had a partial exit! I won't go into too much detail here but suffice to say, I made it about halfway out, rubbed my hands together (an extremely pleasant and intense sensation, let me tell you) and was able to get some vision of my surroundings, before my wife woke up and jolted me back into my body. I am so excited to explore further and wanted to celebrate with you all. I know it sounds weird but after spending so much time reading your posts I have come to respect and admire many of you (looking at you White Crane Feather and Blu3) and others of course. Welcome to UM Admiral. And congratulations.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Naismith Posted June 18, 2015 #1270 Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) Professor--I know from about 30 pages back or so you were still working on AP--not sure if you're still having trouble--but if you are, take a look at the guide I attached. It's not mine but has some really excellent techniques that seem very effective. I was having a lot of trouble and experiencing some frustration but those techniques seemed to work very well for me. I hope it isn't presumptuous of me to suggest it to you, I just empathize with your frustration, and I'm still such a novice! haven't had a chance to continue practicing (we had our first ultrasound today) but will definitely resume when I can. Cheers! Edited June 18, 2015 by Admiral Naismith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Crane Feather Posted June 18, 2015 #1271 Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) Welcome admiral. It's always nice to have another well adjusted exsplorer around. Edited June 18, 2015 by White Crane Feather 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted June 18, 2015 #1272 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Brother Crane, have you ever heard of indirect techniques found in the link Admiral posted? Seems pretty interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Crane Feather Posted June 18, 2015 #1273 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Brother Crane, have you ever heard of indirect techniques found in the link Admiral posted? Seems pretty interesting. I havn't looked yet. My first guess is that it will resemble things I have seen before like phasing, but really is a side shoot of the basic idea of relaxation and simple focus. Of course I don't know yet. I'll take a decent like latter, but all information is good if it works. This is not rigid science. It's like martial arts. If it works. It's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Naismith Posted June 19, 2015 #1274 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I havn't looked yet. My first guess is that it will resemble things I have seen before like phasing, but really is a side shoot of the basic idea of relaxation and simple focus. Of course I don't know yet. I'll take a decent like latter, but all information is good if it works. This is not rigid science. It's like martial arts. If it works. It's good. The authors of the resource I posted relate everything (lucid dreaming, sleep paralysis, meditation, Astral Projection, etc) to what they call the "phase" and put it all on a spectrum of sorts. Like White Crane Feather said, if the info is good it works. Whatever the exact process is behind what happens in "the phase" (or meditation, lucid dreams, OOB, AP, etc ad nauseam) I feel it is all intra-related, (Note, not inter-related, but intra) though I am curious to see what thoughts others have For White Crane Feather-- a few pages back I saw that you had sucess with a seated meditation into an OOB. I am extremely interested in this and would like to know more, if you would be willing to share 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor T Posted June 19, 2015 #1275 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Professor--I know from about 30 pages back or so you were still working on AP--not sure if you're still having trouble--but if you are, take a look at the guide I attached. It's not mine but has some really excellent techniques that seem very effective. I was having a lot of trouble and experiencing some frustration but those techniques seemed to work very well for me. I hope it isn't presumptuous of me to suggest it to you, I just empathize with your frustration, and I'm still such a novice! haven't had a chance to continue practicing (we had our first ultrasound today) but will definitely resume when I can. Cheers! Thanks. I've never properly consciously projected from a woken state, except once where I got hung up by the head, kind of half in & half out still connected at the head. Then there was one time where I projected from a dream-state. That was a weird one... I was about 2 or three feet tall, clinging to a reading lamp above my bed. Almost every other Astral experience I've had I've been taken along for the ride in a dream-state. Which is still pretty wild and exciting stuff, but still lacking the realism of a fully conscious state. All suggestions and ideas are welcome here, and thanks for the info. I've downloaded it and recall reading it before, but will again. Personally I've been at this for nearly 3 years now. I've had limited success, but learned a lot. Nothing but good has come from this. To me Astral Projection is just a small part of a greater reality I know I know next to nothing about. That's what's so exciting about it. Whenever I turn my attention towards projecting I am now guaranteed weird and wonderful experiences be them Crazy Astral dreams, False awakenings, or altered states. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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