The Tassili Paintings -- ancient alien pics?

[bouncer]

Are these cave paintings and the like proof of ancient contact?

Quote: "The paintings should be grist for serious examination, as they provide some kinds of seminal truths about early man and early attempts at social civilization, maybe even something about contact with the Tassili humans by externals – externals from outside the Earth or externals from other areas of the Earth -- externals who were extant in 4000 B.C"

Or... are they just proof of autistic ancient man... chewing the wrong toadstools and having a paint session?

http://ufocon.blogspot.com/2012/02/tassili-paintings-what-do-they-tell-us.html

actually I do like this subject of ancient man and....visitors....

Edited February 21, 2012 by bouncer

[George Ford]

That horned demon with the penises growing on his inside elbows is pretty disturbing.

[BiffSplitkins]

[bouncer]

That horned demon with the penises growing on his inside elbows is pretty disturbing.

haha, youve just increased the amount of hits that site will now be getting

at least porn may also be an ancient concept...(or its those halluconogenic toadstools again)

but nonetheless, Penis Arms are a fact... see here :

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=penis%20arms

[zenfahr]

man back then was not so different from man today. We have always been fascinated by stories of supernatural powers and beings. We love to tell stories to each other that place man beneath a higher power. Call it God, or Aliens or Obama whatever. I think these cave paintings are incredible by themselves. No need to jump to aliens at every turn tho. I mean for F's sake... cant Man, and Woman be just as amazing???

[bouncer]

man back then was not so different from man today. We have always been fascinated by stories of supernatural powers and beings. We love to tell stories to each other that place man beneath a higher power. Call it God, or Aliens or Obama whatever. I think these cave paintings are incredible by themselves. No need to jump to aliens at every turn tho. I mean for F's sake... cant Man, and Woman be just as amazing???

I think man was totally different, in all ways, but I guess it depends how far back exactly. Cave men just needed to survive so hunted.. continuously, so a total different mind set from a mind not focused on survival, day to day.

Typical ancient cave paintings have been about: deers.. buffalo, things they hunted or needed to record on a cave wall for whatever reason. Im not saying these are or are not real depictions of ET...we will never know anyway as we cant exactly ask them!

But why would they, if they can paint something that to this day can be easily recognised as deers and such like, suddenly detour into strangeness? If they can render a decent impression of a deer, surely they can render an accurate image of fellow tribesmen? But these images dont seem to show recognisable humans, and there is the rub!

[Cassea]

Some of them look like they are wearing space suits

[bouncer]

Some of them look like they are wearing space suits

then theres this one:

Quote: "Down below is cave painting is c.10,000 BC and is from Val Camonica, Italy.It appears to depict two beings in protective suits holding strange implements"

whats this all about then? http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2011/12/alien-italy-cave-painting-10000-year.html

[zenfahr]

I think man was totally different, in all ways, but I guess it depends how far back exactly. Cave men just needed to survive so hunted.. continuously, so a total different mind set from a mind not focused on survival, day to day.

Typical ancient cave paintings have been about: deers.. buffalo, things they hunted or needed to record on a cave wall for whatever reason. Im not saying these are or are not real depictions of ET...we will never know anyway as we cant exactly ask them!

But why would they, if they can paint something that to this day can be easily recognised as deers and such like, suddenly detour into strangeness? If they can render a decent impression of a deer, surely they can render an accurate image of fellow tribesmen? But these images dont seem to show recognisable humans, and there is the rub!

lol

ok as an art teacher.... I would say that to depict something realisticly is very difficult for many... especially when it comes to the human figure. And I would agree that man was different, but not as different as we would like to think. Yes they hunted... but they also loved, dreamed, warred and created art, music, and stories. Who really knows the reasons why they would depict deer or buffalo, its speculative that they did it in order to show other hunters in the area what animals were around. But then again... tribal people have many stories in which they place an animal on a sacred level... (does not mean they would not kill and eat these animals)and many of their stories of creation included the involvment of animals. So given just that, these renderings of people, could be of people who shared qualities of these animals, So they were rendered being part human and part animal. Also larger than the other people, as to show importance of that person while they taught the people of the tribe.

really I do love to dream that these paintings could be renderings of Aliens or visitors. But before I conclude anything like that I would rather explore more down to earth possiblities.

[zenfahr]

then theres this one:

Quote: "Down below is cave painting is c.10,000 BC and is from Val Camonica, Italy.It appears to depict two beings in protective suits holding strange implements"

whats this all about then? http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2011/12/alien-italy-cave-painting-10000-year.html

This image you refer to looks more like childbirth. you have the mother and child in the center and around them are the people of the tribe, and animals that are sacred to that tribe.

But on another note you could add in.... the snake with the sun and moon around it or behind it.

The snake or serpent was often a symbol for our milky way galaxy.

[bouncer]

But before I conclude anything like that I would rather explore more down to earth possiblities.

Great point and me too!

Like this one:

and this one:

and defo, this one!

what were they thinking.....

[zenfahr]

Great point and me too!

Like this one:

and this one:

and defo, this one!

what were they thinking.....

yeah what were they thinking!!! With out any historical reference those images could be anything... the UFO? or a cloud with rain. Aliens? or people. Even in later religious paintings.... Patrons, Saints, and gods were shown to be more important than others by the addition of a halo. Where did that concept come from in the first place? Charismatic people have always seemed to be godlike by they way they were able to capture the attention of the masses.

[bouncer]

yeah what were they thinking!!! With out any historical reference those images could be anything... the UFO? or a cloud with rain. Aliens? or people. Even in later religious paintings.... Patrons, Saints, and gods were shown to be more important than others by the addition of a halo. Where did that concept come from in the first place? Charismatic people have always seemed to be godlike by they way they were able to capture the attention of the masses.

yep sorry i didnt include image refs so they're found here:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=strange%20ancient%20cave%20paintings&hl=en&prmd=imvns&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=640&bih=365&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=vi&ei=eOxDT8f6D4mP0AWj6byPDw#um=1&hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=alien+cave+paintings&pbx=1&oq=alien+cave+paintings&aq=f&aqi=g1g-m1g-mS1&aql=&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=182192l182984l0l183418l5l5l0l0l0l0l135l524l3.2l5l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=be05c3eff0e54f23&biw=640&bih=322

and on the subject of religious people being portrayed differently, see the below religious painting, and wonder what that symbolizes? and why that specific thing was painted!!!

souce and many more images:

http://www.ufocasebook.com/ancients/ancientastronautsphotogallery.html

[Cassea]

yeah what were they thinking!!! With out any historical reference those images could be anything... the UFO? or a cloud with rain. Aliens? or people. Even in later religious paintings.... Patrons, Saints, and gods were shown to be more important than others by the addition of a halo. Where did that concept come from in the first place? Charismatic people have always seemed to be godlike by they way they were able to capture the attention of the masses.

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I think so too. The Halo was a depiction of the head gear of the alien. Also the wings are depictions of the aurus behind aliens.

[zenfahr]

yep sorry i didnt include image refs so they're found here:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=strange%20ancient%20cave%20paintings&hl=en&prmd=imvns&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=640&bih=365&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=vi&ei=eOxDT8f6D4mP0AWj6byPDw#um=1&hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=alien+cave+paintings&pbx=1&oq=alien+cave+paintings&aq=f&aqi=g1g-m1g-mS1&aql=&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=182192l182984l0l183418l5l5l0l0l0l0l135l524l3.2l5l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=be05c3eff0e54f23&biw=640&bih=322

and on the subject of religious people being portrayed differently, see the below religious painting, and wonder what that symbolizes? and why that specific thing was painted!!!

souce and many more images:

http://www.ufocasebook.com/ancients/ancientastronautsphotogallery.html

Being that I am not Aert De Gelder I can only speculate on the meaning of that image.... Given that it was called the baptism of john? I would simply conclude that, that is an image of god. Who by the way had a base on the dark side of the moon!!!

[bouncer]

Being that I am not Aert De Gelder I can only speculate on the meaning of that image.... Given that it was called the baptism of john? I would simply conclude that, that is an image of god. Who by the way had a base on the dark side of the moon!!!

and that's the worst of it really, we can all speculate, tho sadly never know! Bummer... so its a justifiable Unexplained Mystery!

[spud the mackem]

That horned demon with the penises growing on his inside elbows is pretty disturbing.

Just as well you didnt see him the other night when your typing was pretty grott.ha.cheers.

[karmakazi]

My first question when looking at the paintings is why does it look airbrushed? I don't know what the generally accepted idea is on how cave paintings were originally created, but I thought that it was crushed pigments mixed with an available liquid medium and brushed on the walls, not so unlike working with paint and canvas today. These look airbrushed not just in the way the color is laid down but a lot of them look like they were masked when they were painted too.

Maybe it's just because of their age and that I'm looking at photographs and not the real deal. Did anyone else notice this?

[bouncer]

My first question when looking at the paintings is why does it look airbrushed? I don't know what the generally accepted idea is on how cave paintings were originally created, but I thought that it was crushed pigments mixed with an available liquid medium and brushed on the walls, not so unlike working with paint and canvas today. These look airbrushed not just in the way the color is laid down but a lot of them look like they were masked when they were painted too.

Maybe it's just because of their age and that I'm looking at photographs and not the real deal. Did anyone else notice this?

Yeh I did notice that, but theres better links available and better pics, I just picked any quick link to provide the info from memory. But how do you get a sharp photo of a faded dull painting inside a presumably dark cave... on dark rock tho?

Not that all the paintings are in caves of course.. not to mention your screen resolution!!!

Edited February 21, 2012 by bouncer

[Wookietim]

Are these cave paintings and the like proof of ancient contact?

Quote: "The paintings should be grist for serious examination, as they provide some kinds of seminal truths about early man and early attempts at social civilization, maybe even something about contact with the Tassili humans by externals – externals from outside the Earth or externals from other areas of the Earth -- externals who were extant in 4000 B.C"

Or... are they just proof of autistic ancient man... chewing the wrong toadstools and having a paint session?

http://ufocon.blogspot.com/2012/02/tassili-paintings-what-do-they-tell-us.html

actually I do like this subject of ancient man and....visitors....

I think trying to apply modern ideas to very ancient cave paintings might end up being quite misleading.

[psyche101]

Are these cave paintings and the like proof of ancient contact?

Quote: "The paintings should be grist for serious examination, as they provide some kinds of seminal truths about early man and early attempts at social civilization, maybe even something about contact with the Tassili humans by externals – externals from outside the Earth or externals from other areas of the Earth -- externals who were extant in 4000 B.C"

Or... are they just proof of autistic ancient man... chewing the wrong toadstools and having a paint session?

http://ufocon.blogspot.com/2012/02/tassili-paintings-what-do-they-tell-us.html

actually I do like this subject of ancient man and....visitors....

I do not think they are proof of anything from the skies at all, but are quite historically important by way of helping us understand how and when hunting stopped and farming started. Also the depictions of dowsing shows that we were starting to worry about keeping water reservoirs. Very important pictures, they may tell the right person much about ourselves. Aliens? Nah.

The others are not alien that you posted further down the page either, a cloud with rain, what is highly likely to be a shipwrecked european, and lets just not go near the Wondjina. The Western reinterpretation of that dreamtime legend makes my blood pressure rise. The next one a bit further down the page is the gaze of God. Not a UFO. It's quite a common artifact in early Christian art.

No aliens to see here.

Edited February 22, 2012 by psyche101

[DONTEATUS]

IF the Cave painting were actually of Aliens and There hardware they used to get here there would be thousands and thousands of accounts of such things,world wide ! And Books ,upon Books written about it ?

ANd then we would of by now found at least a few bits and pieces of hardware laying around !

Right ?

[Englishgent]

My first question when looking at the paintings is why does it look airbrushed? I don't know what the generally accepted idea is on how cave paintings were originally created, but I thought that it was crushed pigments mixed with an available liquid medium and brushed on the walls, not so unlike working with paint and canvas today. These look airbrushed not just in the way the color is laid down but a lot of them look like they were masked when they were painted too.

Maybe it's just because of their age and that I'm looking at photographs and not the real deal. Did anyone else notice this?

I watched a documentary showing how certain cave and rock paintings were created, I think, showing Austalian Aboriginals but I may be wrong on that one, whereby they actually use their mouths to spray the pigments onto the rock. The documentary showed how they did this to create 'hand' shapes by placing their hand onto the rock surface then blowing the pigment in fluid form from their mouths, over their hand. Removing the hand then (obviously) left the image of a hand on the rock surface.

If they were able to use this technique, maybe they also learned how to use reed 'straws' or something similar to create thinner lines/drawings. Possible I suppose

[psyche101]

IF the Cave painting were actually of Aliens and There hardware they used to get here there would be thousands and thousands of accounts of such things,world wide ! And Books ,upon Books written about it ?

ANd then we would of by now found at least a few bits and pieces of hardware laying around !

Right ?

As early people had not transport, we would know eher to look as well - in the general vicinity of the paintings.

[psyche101]

I watched a documentary showing how certain cave and rock paintings were created, I think, showing Austalian Aboriginals but I may be wrong on that one, whereby they actually use their mouths to spray the pigments onto the rock. The documentary showed how they did this to create 'hand' shapes by placing their hand onto the rock surface then blowing the pigment in fluid form from their mouths, over their hand. Removing the hand then (obviously) left the image of a hand on the rock surface.

If they were able to use this technique, maybe they also learned how to use reed 'straws' or something similar to create thinner lines/drawings. Possible I suppose

You are not wrong

Indeed, sticks were used for the dot paintings. Long lines symbolise walkabouts.

Edited February 22, 2012 by psyche101