Britain's Horrendously Murderous Role In The

[hetrodoxly]

lol higher classes you have just made my point.what the hell is a class and why the hell do people think because there ancestors worked kids to death for profit .or they came from an inbread genetic line believe they are in a higher one than me.

as for the toxic culture that comes from living in a low wage unfair "class" driven society and the ability to think for ones self without having culture "instilled"in me by a bunch of self loving chinless idiots who call themselves the goverment.

also to clear something up it isnt negativity its hatred utter hatred of the people who have no respect for those in this country who have done all the labour, all the fighting and have never owned anything .so the rich and priviliged can continue in there carefree world and look down there noses at the very people who allow them to exist

Your politics don't sound as if they come from the hard working, doing all the fighting class (me) more along the lines of the skiving, hiding, benefit, envy, class, i might be wrong? no mater what country you live in there's rich and poor, that's one heck of a big chip you're carrying.

[smurf0852]

Your politics don't sound as if they come from the hard working, doing all the fighting class (me) more along the lines of the skiving, hiding, benefit, envy, class, i might be wrong? no mater what country you live in there's rich and poor, that's one heck of a big chip you're carrying.

you are wrong i come from a line of people who have for (at least 3 generations) fought and died for our messed up nation 4 great uncles in the great war died one uncle in ww2 died 2 others fought in ww2 one commando one in the long range desert group .my father fought in korea my brother in the falklands.myself in the gulf and bosnia and im now a prison officer who has never had a penny i didnt work for.

do you assume that anyone with a job and any sense of social justice should be a right wing narrow minded "damn immigrants" type of person .if you do you are wrong.

i grew up in the 80's in thatchers north east with 40% unemployment while the rich partied .without a thought for the people in our own country that were getting food parcels from the ukrain because they were starving.suicides were a weekly occurence and pride of the working man was taken away from him .do i hate the class system in our country yes .do i hate handed down privilage yes.do i hate our political system which in reality unless ur born into it you aint going to get anywhere yes .if that makes me a bad person in your eyes im proud of myself.

[Mr Right Wing]

lol higher classes you have just made my point.what the hell is a class and why the hell do people think because there ancestors worked kids to death for profit .or they came from an inbread genetic line believe they are in a higher one than me.

as for the toxic culture that comes from living in a low wage unfair "class" driven society and the ability to think for ones self without having culture "instilled"in me by a bunch of self loving chinless idiots who call themselves the goverment.

also to clear something up it isnt negativity its hatred utter hatred of the people who have no respect for those in this country who have done all the labour, all the fighting and have never owned anything .so the rich and priviliged can continue in there carefree world and look down there noses at the very people who allow them to exist

You see theres the 'us and them' mentality.

Instead of being negative towards others try being positive and you'll discover it will get your further in life. You should also adopt a 'can do' attitude, get yourself an education and make it happen yourself.

One of the greatest skills you can learn in life is how to follow. The state is setup so you have to jump through certain hoops if you want a decent job. To cut things short you need to obey the laws and get yourself an education. Sitting there criticising everything and spitting venom at others isnt going to change a thing for you.

Try following the way of the state instead and you'll get somewhere.

Edited February 25, 2012 by Mr Right Wing

[smurf0852]

You see theres the 'us and them' mentality.

Instead of being negative towards others try being positive and you'll discover it will get your further in life. You should also adopt a 'can do' attitude, get yourself an education and make it happen yourself.

One of the greatest skills you can learn in life is how to follow. The state is setup so you have to jump through certain hoops if you want a decent job. To cut things short you need to obey the laws and get yourself an education. Sitting there criticising everything and spitting venom at others isnt going to change a thing for you.

Try following the way of the state instead and you'll get somewhere.

the soviet union came into existence because of people like yourself.as for being negative i told you before im not,im positive i hate your kind and everything they stand for.

[Mr Right Wing]

the soviet union came into existence because of people like yourself.as for being negative i told you before im not,im positive i hate your kind and everything they stand for.

Some people think the world revolves around them and want everything to be handed to them on a plate.

When they discover it doesnt they become hate filled creatures spitting venom at those they see as successful.

So, how long did they give you for your part in the London Riots?

[smurf0852]

Some people think the world revolves around them and want everything to be handed to them on a plate.

When they discover it doesnt they become hate filled creatures spitting venom at those they see as successful.

So, how long did they give you for your part in the London Riots?

no once again you have me all wrong.i in no way would consider a selfish, moraly bankrupt, narsissistic bigot like yourself successful.

[skookum]

Can't the OP just vote for independence in the referendum (if Salmond ever has the balls to call one)?

[Mr.United_Nations]

what the hell has London riots got to do with Post WW2 Britain?

[MichaelW]

what the hell has London riots got to do with Post WW2 Britain?

Everything and nothing. Obviously acts of random violence and civil disobedience3 are an entirely English phenomenon.

[keithisco]

You see theres the 'us and them' mentality.

Instead of being negative towards others try being positive and you'll discover it will get your further in life. You should also adopt a 'can do' attitude, get yourself an education and make it happen yourself.

One of the greatest skills you can learn in life is how to follow. The state is setup so you have to jump through certain hoops if you want a decent job. To cut things short you need to obey the laws and get yourself an education. Sitting there criticising everything and spitting venom at others isnt going to change a thing for you.

Try following the way of the state instead and you'll get somewhere.

I have seldom seen such a self - serving, pompous, and totally obnoxious reply on UM as this represents

You have the Gall to tell someone else to get an education, when the only result of your education is the gleeful exhortation to use a nuclear arsenal against any nation that dares to cross the UK Govts point of view in Policy decisions??

You now are saying that anybody with a contra - opinion to yourself is not "obeying" the law - incredulous at that one.

I think that there is somebody here that REALLY needs to get an "Education" and I dont think it is Smurf0852

[Mr Right Wing]

I have seldom seen such a self - serving, pompous, and totally obnoxious reply on UM as this represents

You have the Gall to tell someone else to get an education, when the only result of your education is the gleeful exhortation to use a nuclear arsenal against any nation that dares to cross the UK Govts point of view in Policy decisions??

You now are saying that anybody with a contra - opinion to yourself is not "obeying" the law - incredulous at that one.

I think that there is somebody here that REALLY needs to get an "Education" and I dont think it is Smurf0852

If Argentina invades the Falklands again we would be well within our rights to use our nuclear detterant.

I said that to get a decent job in our society requires an education. Spitting venom at the successful because you dont like the state of your own life is out of order.

[Ealdwita]

I served in both the Yemen and Indonesia (Borneo), and by looking at your interpretations of those actions I have to come to the conclusion that your knowledge of modern British military history has been gleaned mainly from material published behind the Iron Curtain!

Belong to the SWP by any chance, do you?

[keithisco]

If Argentina invades the Falklands again we would be well within our rights to use our nuclear detterant.

I said that to get a decent job in our society requires an education. Spitting venom at the successful because you dont like the state of your own life is out of order.

No... you specifically aimed your vitriol at a poster. That is unacceptable. I actually am very, very happy with the state of my own life (not that you would understand such a sentiment), you would probably even call me "successful" in accordance with your pre-concieved notions of "successful". I actually "Walk the Walk" you, I suspect only "Talk the Talk".

You still "blather on" about using our Nuclear deterrent, that is just the talk of the playground (Primary School). You appear to have no insight when it comes to International Diplomacy, you also do not seem to understand the consequences of unleashing Nuclear terror where it is not required, nor of the repercussions that would ensue...

UK would become THE International pariah, make no mistake. We would have no friends left in this world (apart from 2000 / 3000 Falklanders) and that would become a serious "crock" of trouble overnight for UK.

[Mr Right Wing]

No... you specifically aimed your vitriol at a poster. That is unacceptable. I actually am very, very happy with the state of my own life (not that you would understand such a sentiment), you would probably even call me "successful" in accordance with your pre-concieved notions of "successful". I actually "Walk the Walk" you, I suspect only "Talk the Talk".

You still "blather on" about using our Nuclear deterrent, that is just the talk of the playground (Primary School). You appear to have no insight when it comes to International Diplomacy, you also do not seem to understand the consequences of unleashing Nuclear terror where it is not required, nor of the repercussions that would ensue...

UK would become THE International pariah, make no mistake. We would have no friends left in this world (apart from 2000 / 3000 Falklanders) and that would become a serious "crock" of trouble overnight for UK.

Now hang on a minute, this thread is about slandering my people and my nation. Certain members are attempting to revise history to paint Britain as being corrupt and morally bankrupt. Even worse than that a certain member is spitting venom at the successful in my society because he feels bitter over how his own life has gone.

Britain will not be bullied by Argentina and will not engage in Diplomacy when the country has no claim to the Falkland Islands. We arent going to tolerate Argentina murdering our citizens and soliders again. Argentina is like Nazi Germany (not surprising as many escaped to there). If it wants something it thinks it has the right to send the troops over and take it.

Argentina is a danger to world peace and is trying it on with a nation that would easily crush it like an elephant standing on an ant.

Edited February 27, 2012 by Mr Right Wing

[keithisco]

Now hang on a minute, this thread is about slandering my people and my nation. Certain members are attempting to revise history to paint Britain as being corrupt and morally bankrupt. Even worse than that a certain member is spitting venom at the successful in my society because he feels bitter over how his own life has gone.

Britain will not be bullied by Argentina and will not engage in Diplomacy when the country has no claim to the Falkland Islands. We arent going to tolerate Argentina murdering our citizens and soliders again. Argentina is like Nazi Germany (not surprising as many escaped to there). If it wants something it thinks it has the right to send the troops over and take it.

Argentina is a danger to world peace and is trying it one with a nation that would easily crush it like an elephant standing on an ant.

It os NOT about "slandering your people and nation"... where do you get that from?

No member here is spitting venom about being "successful" in Britain, again I challenge you to back up that ridiculous claim. i am "successful" according to your criteria, I am a UK Citizen with "Right to Abode" in the UK, I do not feel that any UM Member is spitting venom at me.

How many Falklanders did the Argentine "murder" in 1982,? NONE!! Argentina is nothing like Nazi Germany - it is a democracy, founded on Democratic principles. It does not declare anywhere in its Constitution that it will take Las Malvinas back by force, it says it will respect the rights of the Islanders to not be affected in their Daily Life, if sovereignty is given to Argentina. IN THE CONSTITUTION no less.

You keep making ridiculous jingoistic statements such as "crush it like an elephant standing on an ant" playground Bully talk is all that is...

If you are sure that the UK has a watertight claim to Las Malvinas then describe that claim here, because the UK Govt does not believe it has a watertight case in the least!!

Edited February 27, 2012 by keithisco

[smurf0852]

Now hang on a minute, this thread is about slandering my people and my nation. Certain members are attempting to revise history to paint Britain as being corrupt and morally bankrupt. Even worse than that a certain member is spitting venom at the successful in my society because he feels bitter over how his own life has gone.

Britain will not be bullied by Argentina and will not engage in Diplomacy when the country has no claim to the Falkland Islands. We arent going to tolerate Argentina murdering our citizens and soliders again. Argentina is like Nazi Germany (not surprising as many escaped to there). If it wants something it thinks it has the right to send the troops over and take it.

Argentina is a danger to world peace and is trying it on with a nation that would easily crush it like an elephant standing on an ant.

i have not and never will spit venom at the successful in our society and how did you gather that im not happy with my life ?.is it perhaps that you think that anyone with an opinion contrary to yours must be unhappy? .what i hate is the class system that looks down its nose at working people and assumes that if you didnt come from a certain gene pool you really are not worth anything.you talk about war as if its a game OH LETS NUKE PEOPLE thats all well and good when you are sat at home waving your union flag and singing god save the queen but understand something.soldiers dont fight for flags or queens they fight for the lad to the left of them and the lad to the right of them and while you are willling to throw (in your eyes) peasent lives away so you can brag about how great britain is .the familys of those soldiers and the soldiers themselves are not so keen .

i would suggest if you are as narrow minded as you appear it is you that should go and get an education .not in a school or a university but by going to afganistan and doing some aid work to see the impact that flag waving imbeciles can have on the real world.

[smurf0852]

No... you specifically aimed your vitriol at a poster. That is unacceptable. I actually am very, very happy with the state of my own life (not that you would understand such a sentiment), you would probably even call me "successful" in accordance with your pre-concieved notions of "successful". I actually "Walk the Walk" you, I suspect only "Talk the Talk".

You still "blather on" about using our Nuclear deterrent, that is just the talk of the playground (Primary School). You appear to have no insight when it comes to International Diplomacy, you also do not seem to understand the consequences of unleashing Nuclear terror where it is not required, nor of the repercussions that would ensue...

UK would become THE International pariah, make no mistake. We would have no friends left in this world (apart from 2000 / 3000 Falklanders) and that would become a serious "crock" of trouble overnight for UK.

thank you for the support keithisco

[Flibbertigibbet]

It os NOT about "slandering your people and nation"... where do you get that from?

No member here is spitting venom about being "successful" in Britain, again I challenge you to back up that ridiculous claim. i am "successful" according to your criteria, I am a UK Citizen with "Right to Abode" in the UK, I do not feel that any UM Member is spitting venom at me.

How many Falklanders did the Argentine "murder" in 1982,? NONE!! Argentina is nothing like Nazi Germany - it is a democracy, founded on Democratic principles. It does not declare anywhere in its Constitution that it will take Las Malvinas back by force, it says it will respect the rights of the Islanders to not be affected in their Daily Life, if sovereignty is given to Argentina. IN THE CONSTITUTION no less.

You keep making ridiculous jingoistic statements such as "crush it like an elephant standing on an ant" playground Bully talk is all that is...

If you are sure that the UK has a watertight claim to Las Malvinas then describe that claim here, because the UK Govt does not believe it has a watertight case in the least!!

3 Falkland Islands civilians were killed because of the Argentine invasion. That's 3 too many, I'm afraid. When up against the wall, the British will fight, as Hitler, and Galtieri, found to their cost.

[Space Commander Travis]

How many Falklanders did the Argentine "murder" in 1982,? NONE!! Argentina is nothing like Nazi Germany - it is a democracy, founded on Democratic principles. It does not declare anywhere in its Constitution that it will take Las Malvinas back by force, it says it will respect the rights of the Islanders to not be affected in their Daily Life, if sovereignty is given to Argentina. IN THE CONSTITUTION no less.

So you believe promises blandly made in political documents?

If Argentrina was founded on Democratic principles, they didn't do a very good job defending those principles, did they, so how are you so confident that they'll fulfil their promises to the inhabitants of Las Islas Malvinas?

Edited February 28, 2012 by 747400

[spud the mackem]

I can see your point but you and I and millions more are not going to change the world,its all a question of power and domination.Dont forget the Scots versus the English, we have both had our fair share in the past,but I am glad that we are friends now,and you should have home rule,but you havnt got a decent footy team so I cannot move up there,ha ha ..I once sailed with a crew of Scots lads,and I was the only English lad on board,but we all got on well,so I have no moans about the Scots except you have to listen carefully to understand whats going on,Best wishes,lang may yer lum reek,in the wee botha.

[keithisco]

3 Falkland Islands civilians were killed because of the Argentine invasion. That's 3 too many, I'm afraid. When up against the wall, the British will fight, as Hitler, and Galtieri, found to their cost.

3 Falkland Islanders Killed by British "Friendly Fire", not by the Argentine forces.3 too many? I agree wholeheartedly.

@747400: Post galtieri the Argentine Republic IS a democracy. In their constitution they declare that the people of Las Malvinas will be respected in accordance with their way of life.

No problem there I see.

If UK are so sure of their claim, then go to the International Courts - UK has always accepted their Judgments in every other case... Of course, they know that their claims are not solid enough to ensure a "victory", and so resort to Jingoistic Sabre - Rattling to garner a few additional votes at home from those too obsessed with "nuking" a sovereign nation over any sense of humanity or proportionality.

best thing: encourage the Falklanders to declare a Unilateral Declaration of Independence, but then they would lose all of the huge amounts of money going to the Islands from Military occupation defense allocations by the UK.

[A rather obscure Bassoon]

3 Falkland Islands civilians were killed because of the Argentine invasion. That's 3 too many, I'm afraid. When up against the wall, the British will fight, as Hitler, and Galtieri, found to their cost.

Oh please,I am a very proud Brit but in war everyone loses and the talk of nuking Argentina is well just ridiculous..

Edited February 28, 2012 by shaddow134

[Mr Right Wing]

3 Falkland Islanders Killed by British "Friendly Fire", not by the Argentine forces.3 too many? I agree wholeheartedly.

@747400: Post galtieri the Argentine Republic IS a democracy. In their constitution they declare that the people of Las Malvinas will be respected in accordance with their way of life.

No problem there I see.

If UK are so sure of their claim, then go to the International Courts - UK has always accepted their Judgments in every other case... Of course, they know that their claims are not solid enough to ensure a "victory", and so resort to Jingoistic Sabre - Rattling to garner a few additional votes at home from those too obsessed with "nuking" a sovereign nation over any sense of humanity or proportionality.

best thing: encourage the Falklanders to declare a Unilateral Declaration of Independence, but then they would lose all of the huge amounts of money going to the Islands from Military occupation defense allocations by the UK.

Respected until you start demonstrating that you are British and want the occupation forces out. Then you all get beaten and shot.

Britain doesnt need to go to the International Courts they are our islands end of story.

[hetrodoxly]

name='keithisco' timestamp='1330453999' post='4217905']

3 Falkland Islanders Killed by British "Friendly Fire", not by the Argentine forces.3 too many? I agree wholeheartedly.

@747400: Post galtieri In their constitution they declare that the

people of Las Malvinas will be respected in accordance with their way of life

No problem there I see.

If they're true to their word there is no problem "their way of life" is being part of Britain

If UK are so sure of their claim, then go to the International Courts

They're sure enough to know they don't have to go to court.

[keithisco]

Respected until you start demonstrating that you are British and want the occupation forces out. Then you all get beaten and shot.

Britain doesnt need to go to the International Courts they are our islands end of story.

You really have nothing to add to this thread do you? "Mr Right Wing Nuke Em Muppet". You have no grasp of International nuance or Diplomacy, no respect for International Law, you just want be the person that stands behind "The Bully" in the playground, shielded by The Bully in case you get hurt. That is a craven and cowardly stance to take. It takes real men / women to negotiate in place of conflict - where does that place you??

Edited February 28, 2012 by keithisco