Order66 Posted February 24, 2012 #1 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Suppose there was really a huge demand for green energy, that there was as much demand for solar panels and electric cars as there is for iPhones ( for example ). Certainly the private sector would invest capital and make money trying to meet the demand. This would be a problem for Obama, however, because even if everyone were to use green energy, the industry would still be controlled by the small group of wealthy capitalists who get a foothold. This would be disastrous for Obama, because it would mean green energy has gone the way of Exxon-Mobile. The only way to avoid this is for the government to get a foothold in the market before it exists. The way to do this is simply to force people to buy the products, creating an artificial demand. Obama is trying to do this by pushing mandates such as requiring that some percentage of cars sold in the US be electric. Al Gore has tried to abuse his role on the Board of Directors at Apple to force other companies to follow green energy mandates which benefit Al Gore's green energy investments. The goal is to create an artificial demand, so that the government-subsidized industries will be the ones that benefit from it. They will force you to buy the government's green energy products just like Obamacare forces you to buy the government's health insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadude Posted February 24, 2012 #2 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Suppose there was really a huge demand for green energy, that there was as much demand for solar panels and electric cars as there is for iPhones ( for example ). Certainly the private sector would invest capital and make money trying to meet the demand. This would be a problem for Obama, however, because even if everyone were to use green energy, the industry would still be controlled by the small group of wealthy capitalists who get a foothold. This would be disastrous for Obama, because it would mean green energy has gone the way of Exxon-Mobile. The only way to avoid this is for the government to get a foothold in the market before it exists. The way to do this is simply to force people to buy the products, creating an artificial demand. Obama is trying to do this by pushing mandates such as requiring that some percentage of cars sold in the US be electric. Al Gore has tried to abuse his role on the Board of Directors at Apple to force other companies to follow green energy mandates which benefit Al Gore's green energy investments. The goal is to create an artificial demand, so that the government-subsidized industries will be the ones that benefit from it. They will force you to buy the government's green energy products just like Obamacare forces you to buy the government's health insurance. First of all there is a demand for energy green or otherwise. Green energy being more preferred because it doesn't wreck the environment and reduces dependency on foreign sources. The private sector IS investing in on the demand. This is not a "problem" for Obama but exactly what the stimulus was supposed to do. As for controlling by a weathly group of capitalists, that may be true, but it is a long long long way from a single company the size of Exxon. So not really comparable. Again this is not "disastrous" for Obama. The government is leading some demand in green energy. This will further stimulate what nearly everyone already believes is a good thing. It's not artificial. The government is one of the largest purchasers of products in the world. The government doesn't make green energy products. And it is nothing whatsoever like the Affordable Care Act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted February 25, 2012 #3 Share Posted February 25, 2012 If there were truly a demand then we would long ago have had solar, wind,geothermal etc. I can remember the lines for gas in '73 (**&$## Arabs) and distinctly remember people pushing wind and solar then. Fast forward 40 years and we're still talking about wind and solar. It hasn't happened because cost per unit of energy is far greater than it is for oil/coal/natural gas. Only an idiot would argue for dirty energy if clean were practical. But honesty has to enter the discussion somewhere. Like the people who praise the "clean" electric cars who's charge comes from a coal fired plant.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahzi_Dhaka Posted February 25, 2012 #4 Share Posted February 25, 2012 the whole roof of my house is covered in solar panels, and I dont do it for "Mother Earth" I do it to save cash on my light bill (and in case the Zombie Apocalypse finally gets here) not that I dont care about Earth, but everyone has their own motivations, and frankly its a bit expensive to install and maintain them since they only last so many years, and living in Mexico that time goes down a bit because of all the dust and the extreme heat we sometimes suffer here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadude Posted February 25, 2012 #5 Share Posted February 25, 2012 If there were truly a demand then we would long ago have had solar, wind,geothermal etc. I can remember the lines for gas in '73 (**&$## Arabs) and distinctly remember people pushing wind and solar then. Fast forward 40 years and we're still talking about wind and solar. It hasn't happened because cost per unit of energy is far greater than it is for oil/coal/natural gas. Only an idiot would argue for dirty energy if clean were practical. But honesty has to enter the discussion somewhere. Like the people who praise the "clean" electric cars who's charge comes from a coal fired plant.... I'm not sure what you're talking about. We do indeed have solar and wind. Already. It will never be a complete replacement for oil. If that's what you're thinking. That's impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Order66 Posted February 25, 2012 Author #6 Share Posted February 25, 2012 First of all there is a demand for energy green or otherwise. Green energy being more preferred because it doesn't wreck the environment and reduces dependency on foreign sources. The private sector IS investing in on the demand. This is not a "problem" for Obama but exactly what the stimulus was supposed to do. As for controlling by a weathly group of capitalists, that may be true, but it is a long long long way from a single company the size of Exxon. So not really comparable. Again this is not "disastrous" for Obama. The government is leading some demand in green energy. This will further stimulate what nearly everyone already believes is a good thing. It's not artificial. The government is one of the largest purchasers of products in the world. The government doesn't make green energy products. And it is nothing whatsoever like the Affordable Care Act. The government is the only one making green energy products by subsidizing these loans to invest not in demand, but on the supply, flooding the market with crap nobody wants. You are right about the stimulus, however, this is what it was designed to do, to hand out government loans to Obama's campaign donors because they know Obama will force people to buy the products it whether they want it or not. If there were truly a demand then we would long ago have had solar, wind,geothermal etc. I can remember the lines for gas in '73 (**&$## Arabs) and distinctly remember people pushing wind and solar then. Fast forward 40 years and we're still talking about wind and solar. It hasn't happened because cost per unit of energy is far greater than it is for oil/coal/natural gas. Only an idiot would argue for dirty energy if clean were practical. But honesty has to enter the discussion somewhere. Like the people who praise the "clean" electric cars who's charge comes from a coal fired plant.... Green energy is to fossil fuels what Wile E. Coyote is to the Road Runner, it always looks good on the blueprints, but it is never as fast and always ends up blowing up in Obama's face, yet he keeps wasting more money on new ACME products like ocean algae. the whole roof of my house is covered in solar panels, and I dont do it for "Mother Earth" I do it to save cash on my light bill (and in case the Zombie Apocalypse finally gets here) not that I dont care about Earth, but everyone has their own motivations, and frankly its a bit expensive to install and maintain them since they only last so many years, and living in Mexico that time goes down a bit because of all the dust and the extreme heat we sometimes suffer here. I'm not saying nobody uses green energy products, but the fact is the government has wasted billions of dollars on interesting science projects that may never be practical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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