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Chickens lay better is a stress-free environment.

This is patently not true; if battery chickens didn't lay eggs, their owners would improve the conditions for them. The body of the chicken is programmed to produce eggs. As soon as it stops doing that or the egg production goes down because of their age, the farmer gets rid of them ....... one way or another.

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Michelle

Ha ha sorry for laughing, it's just normally people who break into cars is to pinch their stereos or cash...this bear breaks into your sisters car for a few breath mints lol.....Poor ole Yogie, always seeking those picnic baskets ha ha .......Again, sorry for laughing, its just funny to read a real life story of a bear trying to break into a car for mints or a house to most likely hoke around for food :P I am however glad no one got hurt...as I am sure it could be a bit of a fright seeing a bear breaking down your door eh?

I think this little one is cute though..

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I know...I laughed too. Maybe it had a date and figured it could use a few mints. :D But it ripped the car seats apart, tore out the console and there were big claw marks in the dash. Her husband bought a gun after the one tried to get in the house to at least try and scare them off. Or in a worse case......

Bears are cute when they are about the size of the one in the video but momma is never too far away. I love having a diversity of wildlife around, but it can be a hazard to your health if you aren't careful.

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Beckys_Mom

. I love having a diversity of wildlife around, but it can be a hazard to your health if you aren't careful.

If we had the same, it may well encourage more young kids into learning more about wild life...My daughter is one of those kids that will see something and question it...She asks me about birds she see's in the garden...I know nothing... about birds...I feel terrible that I cannot answer her,. so I get her a book on them...But birds or the odd squirrel is all she can see knocking around our garden.. oh and some frogs..that our cats seem to play with..

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Michelle

This is patently not true; if battery chickens didn't lay eggs, their owners would improve the conditions for them. The body of the chicken is programmed to produce eggs. As soon as it stops doing that or the egg production goes down because of their age, the farmer gets rid of them ....... one way or another.

Do you also believe chickens won't lay eggs without a rooster?

From the animal's point of view it's the (appropriate)attention that's important, not the naming. The naming part seems to be important for the humans involved ....... which is interesting to me because, much further back in this topic, several people were scoffing at PETA for re-naming baby seals 'sea kittens'(I think I've got that right), in a desperate attempt to mobilise people into doing something about the brutal seal culls that are carried out each year. PETA knew that the majority of people are more likely to respond to a familiar,cute, cuddly creature(the kitten), than them simply telling it like it is. And here we have the human habit of naming animals, which means absolutely nothing to the animals themselves, but makes them more 'human' to their 'owners/carers', and therefore the owners find it easier to connect with and be more responsible for their pets(hopefully!).

Renaming an entire species is one thing and naming individual animals is another. Animals that have been socialized enough to respond to a name have had the attention they need to be content in their surroundings.

I've taken care of more than 30 animals, at one time, not to mention the dozens of others over my lifetime, and they respond positively in response to the name they have been given. They also respond negatively if you don't address them personally.

Have you ever taken the responsibility of caring for an unwanted, abused or injured animal?

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Do you also believe chickens won't lay eggs without a rooster?

Renaming an entire species is one thing and naming individual animals is another. Animals that have been socialized enough to respond to a name have had the attention they need to be content in their surroundings.

I've taken care of more than 30 animals, at one time, not to mention the dozens of others over my lifetime, and they respond positively in response to the name they have been given. They also respond negatively if you don't address them personally.

Have you ever taken the responsibility of caring for an unwanted, abused or injured animal?

I tip my hat to you.. Just think what could have happened to any of the animals if you had not have taken them in? I dread to think...

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Michelle

If we had the same, it may well encourage more young kids into learning more about wild life...My daughter is one of those kids that will see something and question it...She asks me about birds she see's in the garden...I know nothing... about birds...I feel terrible that I cannot answer her,. so I get her a book on them...But birds or the odd squirrel is all she can see knocking around our garden.. oh and some frogs..that our cats seem to play with..

That may be something you would have fun learning about together. :tu: I was sitting in the yard, not too long ago, and a baby wren that was learning how to fly crawled up my leg and jumped into my hand. It's still so amazing to me when something like that happens. They seem to instinctively know when someone isn't going to hurt them.

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Michelle

I tip my hat to you.. Just think what could have happened to any of the animals if you had not have taken them in? I dread to think...

I'm still grieving over the dog I had to put down a few weeks ago. He was such a big Alaskan Malamute for his age and had been so badly abused that people were scared of him. He had been transferred from one adoption center to another and this one was going to put him down within a week if no one adopted him. I have to take solace in the fact that he wouldn't have had the twelve years as a spoiled rotten, yet well behaved friend and protector that he became.

It always breaks my heart to lose one.

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That may be something you would have fun learning about together. :tu: I was sitting in the yard, not too long ago, and a baby wren that was learning how to fly crawled up my leg and jumped into my hand. It's still so amazing to me when something like that happens. They seem to instinctively know when someone isn't going to hurt them.

Yes indeed this is true..I have seen animals react when approaching a person ...if they shy away..or hide.. it is as if they know something.... Babies are the same to a degree... Overall I think it is like a vibe.. a sense that can be picked up... A quick example of this.. My two cats are curious of strangers entering our home, but will warm up to them if they feel ok.. One time Garys aunt May arrived.. she hates all cats... I tried to call the cats over as Mays daughter wanted to see them... They creped past May and slowly rubbed up against her daughter ( the animal lover ) They avoided May....

I'm still grieving over the dog I had to put down a few weeks ago. He was such a big Alaskan Malamute for his age and had been so badly abused that people were scared of him. He had been transferred from one adoption center to another and this one was going to put him down within a week if no one adopted him. I have to take solace in the fact that he wouldn't have had the twelve years as a spoiled rotten, yet well behaved friend and protector that he became.

It always breaks my heart to lose one.

Is that the dog you mentioned before... I think you and I were talking about how hot it was..I mentioned looking for a cool pillow? Anyhoo I am so sorry you had to put your dog down...I know exactly how it feels.. We had to put our old dog ( springer spaniel ) Charlie down after having him over 14 years.. He took real sick...Saddest day was taking him to the vet and..I wouldn't go..I couldn't bare saying goodbye...he had a good 14 year run with us though...and we have a good few pictures of him...

You had him for 12 years and that's AFTER he had been passed around.. well if you spoiled him over 12 years.. like me you can smile a little and say - Well he got to love life for as long as possible with me...

My daughter is yapping looking a pup.. I said no.. Until she learns more about responsibility of taking care of animals...She insists she will write to Santa.. but I know Santa will write her back * winkity wink* saying.. Not until you learn responsibility ..a puppy is not just for Christmas. it's for life....Well that is true.. lol :P The only time we were allowed to keep pets is when we proved we could take care of them.. walk them, feed them.. bath them..make sure their bedding is clean and warm..and their bowls are clean and to clean up after them... Becky started to wash out the cats dishes to prove it.. but I still said NO...because she needs to do a lot more and learn more...

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As for the sea kittens, thats an entire species, when you name an individual the animal will respond likely due to the positive reinforcement and the reward of positve attention and contact (food probably the biggest incentive :lol: ). This reduces fear and the otherwise negative effects of the stess response.

This is patently not true; if battery chickens didn't lay eggs, their owners would improve the conditions for them. The body of the chicken is programmed to produce eggs. As soon as it stops doing that or the egg production goes down because of their age, the farmer gets rid of them ....... one way or another.

It has been found in hens and other species that productivity, growth, ferility, immunity and longevity, with reduced sereotypies all improve with reduced stress. With the battery hens the eggs are still laid but with lower quality than in the lower stress environments. With other less specialised breeds you see more eggs laid with less stress. You now find that there is a greater shift towards lower stress environments by introducing enrichment an lower density housing.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00071669208417510

http://www.pjbs.org/ijps/fin100.pdf and countless other studies.

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Thanks. They are still chickens. I have noticed through several new hatchlings, that if they are held they will grow up to be more receptive of attention. We had one batch that we didn't interact with much at all. The 2 we have left from that group will not come up to us at all. All the others will come up and allow us to pet or pick them up. We also get almost an egg a day from our chickens. I know folks who cannot get many eggs. Chickens lay better is a stress-free environment.

I keep a few hens myself. Most were bought and are a tad wild around people, but I have had some that would follow you to hell and back. One got that way because she had a dodgy leg and couldn't walk for a few weeks. I stuck with her feeding her by hand then when she could walk ( like a peg legged pirate :lol: ) she wouldnt leave me alone lol.

I have cows like that. We rear them from calves in sheds with 3 calves each and all given the same treatment. You'll find that the odd few in the batch are daft and would jump out the window at the sight of you..... then you get the odd few that are greedy and follow you about trying to eat your clothes, face, hand, hair etc :lol:

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Is that the dog you mentioned before... I think you and I were talking about how hot it was..I mentioned looking for a cool pillow? Anyhoo I am so sorry you had to put your dog down...I know exactly how it feels.. We had to put our old dog ( springer spaniel ) Charlie down after having him over 14 years.. He took real sick...Saddest day was taking him to the vet and..I wouldn't go..I couldn't bare saying goodbye...he had a good 14 year run with us though...and we have a good few pictures of him...

You had him for 12 years and that's AFTER he had been passed around.. well if you spoiled him over 12 years.. like me you can smile a little and say - Well he got to love life for as long as possible with me....

Yup , that was him. I usually kept the air conditioning on about 80 degrees but I broke the bank keeping it on 70 for his last year. He never got used to the cooling pads I bought him.

When I got him he cowered in corners from almost everyone for about six months. Within a year we took him on road trips and I was so proud to see him look at people like "Aren't I so pretty...don't you want to pet me?" :P He also knew his mommy was there to take care of him if anyone was mean to him. :yes:

Becky isn't satisfied with having the cats? You'd better reign her in before she starts bringing home any strays she finds...unless you want to become a homeless shelter. That's where it starts. :lol:

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Yup , that was him. I usually kept the air conditioning on about 80 degrees but I broke the bank keeping it on 70 for his last year. He never got used to the cooling pads I bought him.

When I got him he cowered in corners from almost everyone for about six months. Within a year we took him on road trips and I was so proud to see him look at people like "Aren't I so pretty...don't you want to pet me?" :P He also knew his mommy was there to take care of him if anyone was mean to him. :yes:

It's like having a child in a way...You gave him a life he most likely never knew existed...For that, you did yourself and him most proud.. 12 years is a long enough time for a dog... ( I am unsure how old he was when you first took him in )...For the 12 long years. living with you were his glory years.......

Becky isn't satisfied with having the cats? You'd better reign her in before she starts bringing home any strays she finds...unless you want to become a homeless shelter. That's where it starts. :lol:

Becky prefers dogs more... Reason being is because Charlie followed her all over the house and at times outside.. He would have slept in her room too.. Becky would believe he was guarding her from the monsters lol...She would have said - Charlie will bite the monsters in the butt if they dare come to my room...She no longer believes in monsters... During his last year, he still would not leave her side... When he was gone and later we looked at the pictures of him...She cried .....Kids can be like that at times too...I explained to her about the life span of a dog..and why he was sick at the end...it took a while for it to sink in why dogs don't live as long as we do... She just misses him.....She takes comfort in thinking he is in a doggy heaven...Yet Wallie follows her around too...But she said he is not the same as Charlie... I asked why? She said.. Wallie cannot bite the monsters butt ha ha . She was joking around as per usual...

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Michelle

It's like having a child in a way...You gave him a life he most likely never knew existed...For that, you did yourself and him most proud.. 12 years is a long enough time for a dog... ( I am unsure how old he was when you first took him in )...For the 12 long years. living with you were his glory years.......

Becky prefers dogs more... Reason being is because Charlie followed her all over the house and at times outside.. He would have slept in her room too.. Becky would believe he was guarding her from the monsters lol...She would have said - Charlie will bite the monsters in the butt if they dare come to my room...She no longer believes in monsters... During his last year, he still would not leave her side... When he was gone and later we looked at the pictures of him...She cried .....Kids can be like that at times too...I explained to her about the life span of a dog..and why he was sick at the end...it took a while for it to sink in why dogs don't live as long as we do... She just misses him.....She takes comfort in thinking he is in a doggy heaven...Yet Wallie follows her around too...But she said he is not the same as Charlie... I asked why? She said.. Wallie cannot bite the monsters butt ha ha . She was joking around as per usual...

Malamutes usually live between thirteen and fourteen years old. Nobody was exactly sure how old he was when he came to live with us, but it was estimated between one and two. I, nor the vet, thought he would live a long life because of the obvious abuse he had endured. He lived the full lifespan for his breed it seems.

There is nothing like a good dog to ward off monsters. :D I love cats, but I don't think they can compare to the loyalty of a dog. Maybe Becky has picked up on that.

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Malamutes usually live between thirteen and fourteen years old. Nobody was exactly sure how old he was when he came to live with us, but it was estimated between one and two. I, nor the vet, thought he would live a long life because of the obvious abuse he had endured. He lived the full lifespan for his breed it seems.

There is nothing like a good dog to ward off monsters. :D I love cats, but I don't think they can compare to the loyalty of a dog. Maybe Becky has picked up on that.

I think when a dog is well looked after, it can prolong its life..

Yes...a dog is more reliable for biting monsters in the butt... Dogs are more loyal, I have to agree...... I used to hate bathing our dog...he shook himself when he was lifted out of the bath..it's like they knew to do that... I would have rinsed him off then wait for him to shake himself dry..but no...he tricked me ..shook a little.. I lift him out and the git would have went for the big finish of shaking the water off him..and had the cheek to wag his tail after all pleased with himself..lol

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This is patently not true; The body of the chicken is programmed to produce eggs

You should educate yourself before spouting drivel. When a raccoon invades the coop and scares the chickens, they will not lay as much for weeks. If they are not stressed, they will lay more often. Most backyard chicken owners (2-25 chickens) don't know for certain which chickens are laying at any given moment. I have 2 that lay green eggs and that makes it easy to know when they are laying well. When a rooster (or aggresive hen) is beating up on a hen, the hen will lay less.

Of course the body of a chickin is programmed to produce eggs. Did you have to look that up? It's how they are treated that determines how often they lay.

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