Antediluvian Amerikha

[AMARUKHAN111666888]

ANTEDILUVIAN AMERIKHA, THE MOTHER OF CIVILIZATION

For most people heard about an universal deluge for the first time from the bible,Tanakh, and the Qur'an, According to some people such story came out from the Sumerians' myth, The Sumerian deity Enlil "Lord of rain, wind, and air. Invents tools of agriculture". Created the deluge or "amaru" to destroy mankind. In the Andes mythology "amaru" is a dragon that was born after the destruction of the world by fire to cease the fire the dragon "Amaru" flooded the world.

These actions commemorate events that occurred in the mythic first world. At that time a formless water serpent,

Amaru

, was the first female being. Her female followers stole ritual flutes, kuai, from the males of that age and initiated

Amaru

by placing her in a basket while they blessed food for her.

Mass Migration from the Amerikas:

In many places on the earth, clusters of humans survived the great flood. But the vast majority of survivors had their asylum on the American continent, those who live in the crest of the Andes and the high land of meso-amerika. Many of these survivors later migrated to other parts of the world. European, Asian and Middle-Eastern cultures had appeared suddenly, without the indispensable logic of evolutionary development; these cultures were transported from the Americas, where their evolutionary antecedents are simple to identify.

The Andean Amerikans were primarily responsible for the post-diluvian dispersion of knowledge and culture; After the Deluge, the so-called New World of the Americas became the mother of civilization . In the cultural complex of our planet, it is most important to understand and restore the American continent to the ancient role it played in the migrations of settlements which has brought the world to where it is today.

The high crests of the Andes Mountains reveal the remains of an extraordinary culture that, because of their location and their cultivated fields situated in practically inaccessible areas today, there is much evidence that a remarkable civilization survived the unfortunate days of the universal flood, in the cities and strongholds that crown the high summits of the Andes Mountains.

7.000 – 8.000 years B.C., an Andean settlement arrived by balsa raft, and reed boats in the terrotory what we called the Indian continent(India, Pakistan, Sir Lanka) from there populating various sites in the area. Soon these settlement spread over a larger area and were absorbed by other settlements until they arrived to the lower Mesopotonia. The Andean migrants shared their advanced knowledge with all the others in this region. This general region then became known as Sumir, Shumir and/or Sumer. The local people were instructed in an ideographic and cuneiform type of writing and also were taught about human history. Their origins are currently unknown and therefore, are attributed to the great Eastern deserts where medieval documents suggest. The settlement of Sumer had its origin in South America. The Amerikans migrants arrived in Lower Mesopotamia by way of oceanic navigation. In the Ecuadorian Provinces of Azuay, Canar and Loja, evidence of Mesopotamian roots can be found in artifact designs and in place names such as Sumer, Zumer, Shumir, Sumir and Zhumir.In northern Peru, in the Department of Libertad, a city exists in ruins, covered in desert sand; it is Chan Chan. It covers an approximate area of 20 square kilometers. In spite of its antiquity and erosion, as well as damage caused by looters, the old city with its water channels and wall decorations remains, giving us an example of advanced urban development that many times you won’t even find in our own modern cities. Chan Chan and the culture that prevailed there, are Sumerian. Their extraordinary ornamental wealth, the ceramics, the embossed gold and jewels, the sophisticated burials, the print stamps and paintings, the urban development of the city and their concept of life, are all faithfully reflected in Lower Mesopotamia.The Sanskrit, the Aymara and Runa Simi is the same language.

Another Ancient Amerikans entered the so called "old world" by the strait of Gibraltar, some of them settled in the Britain's Islands, Iberia, Lybia, Greece but a vast of Amerikans settled in the north of Italy, Egypt, Turkey. The work of Dr. Rosi, an Italinan linguist,(

America fourth dimension, the

Etruscans

left from the

Andes) it

have discovered a comparability with Etruscan and Runa Simi and Aymara Lenguage. She provied 200 cognates words Etruscan and Runa Simi and Aymara Lenguage.

more to post.......

Edited May 12, 2012 by AMARUKHAN111666888

[Robbie333]

Oh, this is indeed a good morning for me to read this one, LOL I am so confused. You guys fiqure it out,LOL

[questionmark]

Oh, this is indeed a good morning for me to read this one, LOL I am so confused. You guys fiqure it out,LOL

No need to figure out anything, out of mythical occurrences only myths can surge...

[Bella-Angelique]

Umm, no dear, but you are on the correct track about ancient intercontinental mass migration.

Most native American ancient legends stated that they came from the east, across the Atlantic ocean.

Historians and archeologists stated they crossed the Bering Strait during the ice age from Asia.

Then geneticists found one particular group that marked a path recorded in DNA.

It is the X haplos group. The oldest is traced to an area of southern Russian, where it is almost extinct now.

The second to largest group of this ancient DNA still left is in Scotland, with native Scots at 9 to 12% X haplos if I remember correctly, but you can run a check on it.

The largest surviing group of this DNA type with a massive amount of 24 to 27% being X haplos, are the Algonquin natives of North America.

So basically science is telling us that there is very little doubt that a group of people followed a path from eastern Europe, across the Atlantic by way of Scotland, to North America.

This does not mean all native Americans came across the Atlantic or that Native American groups did not travel to other continents. It does mean that you are correct in that ancient groups did travel across the oceans, but check the DNA record to follow theories. It is not perfect and their is certainly some bias there in interpretation as well, but it is not nearly as biased as historians and archeologists are in taking a little information and writing an entire novel from it.

Edited May 12, 2012 by Bella-Angelique

[cormac mac airt]

Umm, no dear, but you are on the correct track about ancient intercontinental mass migration.

Most native American ancient legends stated that they came from the east, across the Atlantic ocean.

Historians and archeologists stated they crossed the Bering Strait during the ice age from Asia.

Then geneticists found one particular group that marked a path recorded in DNA.

It is the X haplos group. The oldest is traced to an area of southern Russian, where it is almost extinct now.

The second to largest group of this ancient DNA still left is in Scotland, with native Scots at 9 to 12% X haplos if I remember correctly, but you can run a check on it.

The largest surviing group of this DNA type with a massive amount of 24 to 27% being X haplos, are the Algonquin natives of North America.

So basically science is telling us that there is very little doubt that a group of people followed a path from eastern Europe, across the Atlantic by way of Scotland, to North America.

This does not mean all native Americans came across the Atlantic or that Native American groups did not travel to other continents. It does mean that you are correct in that ancient groups did travel across the oceans, but check the DNA record to follow theories. It is not perfect and their is certainly some bias there in interpretation as well, but it is not nearly as biased as historians and archeologists are in taking a little information and writing an entire novel from it.

You might want to do a little more research Bella-Angelique since the mitochondrial haplogroups involved in the migration into the Americas are A2, B2, C1, D1, X2a and X2g. The latter two of which are members of the X haplogroup but not directly related to the X1 group found in Eurasia. So no, genetically there is no evidence that any Native Americans migrated east to west via the Atlantic. If you take a closer look at the Algonquin haplogroup you will find it is X2 and not X1 which never made its way into the Americas.

cormac

[Swede]

Umm, no dear, but you are on the correct track about ancient intercontinental mass migration.

Most native American ancient legends stated that they came from the east, across the Atlantic ocean.

Historians and archeologists stated they crossed the Bering Strait during the ice age from Asia.

Then geneticists found one particular group that marked a path recorded in DNA.

It is the X haplos group. The oldest is traced to an area of southern Russian, where it is almost extinct now.

The second to largest group of this ancient DNA still left is in Scotland, with native Scots at 9 to 12% X haplos if I remember correctly, but you can run a check on it.

The largest surviing group of this DNA type with a massive amount of 24 to 27% being X haplos, are the Algonquin natives of North America.

So basically science is telling us that there is very little doubt that a group of people followed a path from eastern Europe, across the Atlantic by way of Scotland, to North America.

This does not mean all native Americans came across the Atlantic or that Native American groups did not travel to other continents. It does mean that you are correct in that ancient groups did travel across the oceans, but check the DNA record to follow theories. It is not perfect and their is certainly some bias there in interpretation as well, but it is not nearly as biased as historians and archeologists are in taking a little information and writing an entire novel from it.

Just a few points of clarification:

One of the largest Algonquin speaking groups that carries the mt X haplogroup (X2a1b to be specific) would be the Anishinabe (Ojibwe). Their oral histories have them originating in the west.

The reference to the "Russian" locale re: mt X is close. The location is actually the Altai (Altay) region including extreme south-central Russia, Mongolia, etc.

Lastly, the "Solutrean connection" as proposed by Stanford and Bradley has been highly critiqued on a number of levels including genetic divergence rates and various aspects of material culture. You may wish to consult Strauss (2000). In short, science is not telling us that there is "very little doubt".

Also bear in mind that for the Stanford and Bradley proposition to be viable, this "migration" would have occurred at a period in time when the current Scotland was under the the extensive glacial ice sheets of the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM).

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Edited May 12, 2012 by Swede

[AMARUKHAN111666888]

Thanks everyone for taking your time to read my post, I know what wrote for most people it sounds B>>>Sh>>, also my English is not helping me to express my idea. What I want to state is the ancients Amerikas' contribution to the world 9,000 to 10,000 years ago; as evidence to support my idea, The Aymara, and runa simi languages, that is spoken in the central region of the Andes near the lake Titicaca, which it left their trace in the ancient world, also the similarities of

the tools that were used in the central Andes region with other parts of the world.

[AMARUKHAN111666888]

All of us are descendants of the survivors of this flood. These survivors are often thought to be very few, in fact most flood myths accept a destruction of all human beings save the ark-builders and his ken. We see this in the Sumerian myths, in the Egyptian tales, and we see this also in the American native lore.

Mayan

The Mayans, a very popular study these days, and look into their “sacred book” the Popul Vuh. A story eerily similar to the Mesopotamian and Egyptian versions of a devastating flood by gods can be found there, in fact, at least two different versions:

1. “The Popol Vuh, the sacred book of the Maya, contains within its creation story a tale of the destruction of the first beings by a flood. This flood differs from others in that it is not a punishment, but rather a remedy for a faulty creation. The Feathered Serpent first created man from mud. These creatures were a failure; they couldn’t see, they dissolved when it rained, etc. So the god broke them up and tried again. “This time he made men out of wood. They were better than the mud-men. They could walk and talk; they had many children, built many houses, but they had no minds nor souls nor hearts. The Feathered Serpent – Quetzalcoatl was disappointed with what he had created, so he sent a great flood to cleanse the earth of his mistake.

2. “In the beginning was only Tepeu and Gucumatz another name for Quetzalcoatl. These two sat together and thought, and whatever they thought came into being. They thought earth, and there it was. They thought mountains, and so there were. They thought trees, and sky, and animals etc, and each came into being. But none of these things could praise them, so they formed more advanced beings of clay. But these beings fell apart when they got wet, so they made beings out of wood, but they proved unsatisfactory and caused trouble on the earth. The gods sent a great flood to wipe out these beings, so that they could start over. With the help of Mountain Lion, Coyote, Parrot, and Crow they fashioned four new beings. These four beings performed well and are the ancestors of the Quich…”

Yamana ( Chile, Argentina)

Lexuwakipa, ibis, felt offended by the people, so she let it snow so much that ice came to cover the entire earth. When it melted, it rapidly flooded all the earth except five mountain tops, on which a few people escaped. Signs of the floodwaters still show up on those mountains. In another version, the moon-woman Hanuxa caused the flood because she was full of hatred against the people, especially the men, who had taken over the women's secret kina ceremony and made it their own. A few people survived on five mountain tops.

The Mapuches

( Chile, Argentina)

they believe in a mythical snake called Kai Kai, the enemy of mankind, who lives in the sea with the sole purpose of destroying humanity.In their language, “Kai Kai Fulu” means “snake that beat the earth”;also they believe in an underground lizard called Trren-trren, a friend to mankind, who could produce earthquakes.

Once, Kai Kai Fulu wanted to drown mankind so it proceeded towards the coast, flooding the land. Then Tren-trren provoked a powerful earthquake in order to elevate great mountains so that people might climbed to safety.

Takota ( USA )

Unktehi, a water monster, fought the people and caused a great flood. The people retreated to a hill, but the water swept over them, killing them all.

Unktehi was turned to stone; her bones are in the Badlands now. A giant eagle, Wanblee Galeshka, swept down, saved one girl from the flood, and made her his wife. (In another version, the thunderbirds fought and defeated Unktehi and her children before the waters washed over the highest mountain.)

Tiwanku ( Bolivia)

There exists in Bolvia a legend in which the gods decide to punish a city on the edge of a lake by submerging it in a day of earthquakes and floods. The principal god, Tunupa, a god of the sea who had tried to persuade the people to amend their degenerate ways is cast by the people adrift on the lake in a reedboat which is then carried southwards to crash against the southern shores of the lake. A great aperture opens up in the side of the lake, carrying the god southwards in a great flood of water until he reaches Lake Poopo where he disappears into the waters in the region of Pampa Aullagas. Other versions say the waters continued south in a great wave even reaching Chile where a giant petroglyph representing Tunupa can be seen in the Atacama desert.

To my point of view, The Tiwanaku's myth hold evidence of a great cataclysmic event that took place in the world 9.000-10.000 years ago.

point to consider.

1. In the region of Pampa Aullagas there are debris of an architectural complex, around the area there are polished and cut rocks EMBEDDED on ancient Coral.

2. There are ruins in side lake Titicaca. the only possible answer to this event is the sudden rise of the Andes mountains from sea level.

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3. the site of Tiwnaku was cover by 2 to 3 meter of earth, the probable cause was water a lots of water

Edited May 13, 2012 by AMARUKHAN111666888

[AMARUKHAN111666888]

AMAZON DELUGE

The January 13th, 2001, SCIENCE NEWS reported a new study of theAmazon River in Brazil, showing that a huge flood of water poured outof the Amazon basin into the Atlantic ocean precisely at the time ofPlato's sinking of Atlantis, the same date we have determined was theDeluge of Noah in Genesis when the Sabbatical cycle is used (as willbe explained below). British scientist Mark A. Maslin and colleague Stephen J. Burns of the University of Berne in Switzerland presented their discoveries inthe journal SCIENCE [Dec 22, 2000]. Prior to the Amazon's gushingc. 11,800-11,700 years ago [Plato's date: 11,600 BP; ours: 11,549 BP]by their dating, it had discharged barely half the flow it now bearsout to the Atlantic for roughly a thousand years prior to its flooding.Then, "for a century or so," there was a doubling of the flow, as theyfound in a sediment core showing "a brief yet substantial spike" in the data. This "substantial spike" coincided with the sudden melting of the Andean ice sheet, but it was far more than can be explained by the melting alone: A sudden, short burst of increase rain occurred at the same time, they concluded.

Edited May 13, 2012 by AMARUKHAN111666888

[hooko22]

AMAZON DELUGE

The January 13th, 2001, SCIENCE NEWS reported a new study of theAmazon River in Brazil, showing that a huge flood of water poured outof the Amazon basin into the Atlantic ocean precisely at the time ofPlato's sinking of Atlantis, the same date we have determined was theDeluge of Noah in Genesis when the Sabbatical cycle is used (as willbe explained below). British scientist Mark A. Maslin and colleague Stephen J. Burns of the University of Berne in Switzerland presented their discoveries inthe journal SCIENCE [Dec 22, 2000]. Prior to the Amazon's gushingc. 11,800-11,700 years ago [Plato's date: 11,600 BP; ours: 11,549 BP]by their dating, it had discharged barely half the flow it now bearsout to the Atlantic for roughly a thousand years prior to its flooding.Then, "for a century or so," there was a doubling of the flow, as theyfound in a sediment core showing "a brief yet substantial spike" in the data. This "substantial spike" coincided with the sudden melting of the Andean ice sheet, but it was far more than can be explained by the melting alone: A sudden, short burst of increase rain occurred at the same time, they concluded.

Ok if I hadn't know what this thread was about when I opened it up for the first time I might have mistaken that second image as the latest future ooper dooper firefox updated logo ya know!

Come one come all and download firefoxSuper!

LMAO

[Harte]

AMAZON DELUGE

The January 13th, 2001, SCIENCE NEWS reported a new study of theAmazon River in Brazil, showing that a huge flood of water poured outof the Amazon basin into the Atlantic ocean precisely at the time ofPlato's sinking of Atlantis...

I don't think so, scooter:

Link to that issue of Science News

Facts are facts, and crapola is crapola.

Your posts are the latter, if you didn't catch my inference.

Harte

[cormac mac airt]

And there's this as well:

Earlier than 12,000 years ago, they learned, the Amazon Basin was high and dry, with discharge at least 60 percent below current levels. Then, as the ice age drew to a close about 10,000 years ago, Maslin believes, the rain began to fall — lots of it. Throughout the soggy Amazon Basin, swelling wetlands produced more and more methane. In fact, the river’s total discharge jumped by 40 percent, a level that “corresponds to the rapid increase in the atmospheric methane record,” the Science paper concludes.

Today, the Amazon Basin is wetter still, according to Maslin and Burns.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3077499/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/solving-amazons-climate-riddle/

Since 10,000 BP is 8000 BC it makes any claims to Plato's dating c.9600 BC completely irrelevant.

cormac

[Mr Right Wing]

ANTEDILUVIAN AMERIKHA, THE MOTHER OF CIVILIZATION

For most people heard about an universal deluge for the first time from the bible,Tanakh, and the Qur'an, According to some people such story came out from the Sumerians' myth, The Sumerian deity Enlil "Lord of rain, wind, and air. Invents tools of agriculture". Created the deluge or "amaru" to destroy mankind. In the Andes mythology "amaru" is a dragon that was born after the destruction of the world by fire to cease the fire the dragon "Amaru" flooded the world.

These actions commemorate events that occurred in the mythic first world. At that time a formless water serpent,

Amaru

, was the first female being. Her female followers stole ritual flutes, kuai, from the males of that age and initiated

Amaru

by placing her in a basket while they blessed food for her.

Mass Migration from the Amerikas:

In many places on the earth, clusters of humans survived the great flood. But the vast majority of survivors had their asylum on the American continent, those who live in the crest of the Andes and the high land of meso-amerika. Many of these survivors later migrated to other parts of the world. European, Asian and Middle-Eastern cultures had appeared suddenly, without the indispensable logic of evolutionary development; these cultures were transported from the Americas, where their evolutionary antecedents are simple to identify.

The Andean Amerikans were primarily responsible for the post-diluvian dispersion of knowledge and culture; After the Deluge, the so-called New World of the Americas became the mother of civilization . In the cultural complex of our planet, it is most important to understand and restore the American continent to the ancient role it played in the migrations of settlements which has brought the world to where it is today.

The high crests of the Andes Mountains reveal the remains of an extraordinary culture that, because of their location and their cultivated fields situated in practically inaccessible areas today, there is much evidence that a remarkable civilization survived the unfortunate days of the universal flood, in the cities and strongholds that crown the high summits of the Andes Mountains.

7.000 – 8.000 years B.C., an Andean settlement arrived by balsa raft, and reed boats in the terrotory what we called the Indian continent(India, Pakistan, Sir Lanka) from there populating various sites in the area. Soon these settlement spread over a larger area and were absorbed by other settlements until they arrived to the lower Mesopotonia. The Andean migrants shared their advanced knowledge with all the others in this region. This general region then became known as Sumir, Shumir and/or Sumer. The local people were instructed in an ideographic and cuneiform type of writing and also were taught about human history. Their origins are currently unknown and therefore, are attributed to the great Eastern deserts where medieval documents suggest. The settlement of Sumer had its origin in South America. The Amerikans migrants arrived in Lower Mesopotamia by way of oceanic navigation. In the Ecuadorian Provinces of Azuay, Canar and Loja, evidence of Mesopotamian roots can be found in artifact designs and in place names such as Sumer, Zumer, Shumir, Sumir and Zhumir.In northern Peru, in the Department of Libertad, a city exists in ruins, covered in desert sand; it is Chan Chan. It covers an approximate area of 20 square kilometers. In spite of its antiquity and erosion, as well as damage caused by looters, the old city with its water channels and wall decorations remains, giving us an example of advanced urban development that many times you won’t even find in our own modern cities. Chan Chan and the culture that prevailed there, are Sumerian. Their extraordinary ornamental wealth, the ceramics, the embossed gold and jewels, the sophisticated burials, the print stamps and paintings, the urban development of the city and their concept of life, are all faithfully reflected in Lower Mesopotamia.The Sanskrit, the Aymara and Runa Simi is the same language.

Another Ancient Amerikans entered the so called "old world" by the strait of Gibraltar, some of them settled in the Britain's Islands, Iberia, Lybia, Greece but a vast of Amerikans settled in the north of Italy, Egypt, Turkey. The work of Dr. Rosi, an Italinan linguist,(

America fourth dimension, the

Etruscans

left from the

Andes) it

have discovered a comparability with Etruscan and Runa Simi and Aymara Lenguage. She provied 200 cognates words Etruscan and Runa Simi and Aymara Lenguage.

more to post.......

and yet genetics reveals this to be complete bs

[Abramelin]

I don't think so, scooter:

Link to that issue of Science News

Facts are facts, and crapola is crapola.

Your posts are the latter, if you didn't catch my inference.

Harte

And here's the original article (without having to pay for it, lol):

Amazon basin is wetter now than in the past

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1200/is_2_159/ai_71191524/

(...)

The cores also indicate a brief yet substantial spike in the river's flow rate about 11,800 years ago, when the Amazon almost doubled its flow for a century or so. This period coincides with a major warming that partially melted an Andean ice sheet, the scientists note. The rise in temperatures probably also triggered more precipitation across the Amazon basin because the increased river flow during the warming spell is more than can be explained merely by the amount of ice that melted during that period.

[AMARUKHAN111666888]

The Central Andes region have the greatest evidences to support my theory; this place holds the key to find, our past; the really meaning for; whom we are.

The Andean Amerikans were primarily responsible for the post-diluvian dispersion of knowledge and culture; After the Deluge, the so-called New World of the Americas became the mother of civilization.

These are the evidences that, I am going to offer to make my point. They come from the Central Andes region ( Eastern part of Bolivia, Northern of Chile and Argentina, and the Southern Peru)

1. Things from the old world were done first in the so called new world.

2. A proto-language spoken in the area, a language invented by the sound of mother nature,Its descendant the Aymara language and Runa Simi. Their simplicity could open to the origin of human speech.

3. Tools used in the Central Andes region in remote times, were used as the same way in the so called old world.

4. Ancient Amerikhans' engineering modified their new home land.

5. finally, Amerikha's iconography present in ancient cultures.

I will show, these points for every location that the ancient Amerikhans settled in or passed-thru. during 7.000 – 8.000 years B.C.

These are the location;

Group A

Southern India. Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Tibet, Burma

Group B

Lower Mesopotamia and vicinity

Group C

Egypt, Ethiopia and Lybia.

Group D

Northern Italy and Magyar Koztarsasag

Group E

the British islands, and Iberia.

Group F

The Pacific Islands

Group G

The Amerikhas.

I knows it sound crapola, but let see what comes, after i present you the evidences.

Edited May 18, 2012 by AMARUKHAN111666888

[cormac mac airt]

1. Things from the old world were done first in the so called new world.

Considering that anatomically modern humans (HS) originated in the "Old World" c.200,000 BP and there were no humans in the "New World" until well after the Last Glacial Maximum, then no.

2. A proto-language spoken in the area, a language invented by the sound of mother nature,Its descendant the Aymara language and Runa Simi. Their simplicity could open to the origin of human speech.

Except that the study of linguistics has already shown that language developed in the Old World as well as the oldest human hyoid bone, necessary for speech, being found in Israel c.60,000 BP.

cormac

[Sensible Logic]

The Andean Amerikans were primarily responsible for the post-diluvian dispersion of knowledge and culture; After the Deluge, the so-called New World of the Americas became the mother of civilization.

You do know there was no world deluge that destroyed all civilizations don't you?

[questionmark]

You do know there was no world deluge that destroyed all civilizations don't you?

Well, I guess he is talking about the "world delusion" that was engendered by fantasy

[Mr Right Wing]

Well, I guess he is talking about the "world delusion" that was engendered by fantasy

How about the simple question for him.

Why dont Europeans, those of Middle Eastern origin or Africans look anything like native South Americans?

[questionmark]

How about the simple question for him.

Why dont Europeans, those of Middle Eastern origin or Africans look anything like native South Americans?

I suspect that he will turn then to his "King's evidence": The Book Mormon.

Edit: I hate auto-spelling correction.

Edited May 18, 2012 by questionmark

[Sensible Logic]

I suspect that he will turn then to his "King's evidence": The Book Mormon.

Edit: I hate auto-spelling correction.

That won't work for him. The Book of Mormon also has people going from the old world to the new world, exactly opposite of his belief.

[questionmark]

That won't work for him. The Book of Mormon also has people going from the old world to the new world, exactly opposite of his belief.

yeh, but antediluvian...

[AMARUKHAN111666888]

I knew that you guys would beat me up.

I am not talking about 200.000 year ago but 9000 years ago. I could give you proof of humans presence around the central Andes region circa 250.000 years old.

The Aymara

The Aymara was consider by the Italian linguist, Umberto Eco, as the perfect language, but at the same time the Aymara words are so simple. most of its vocabulary came from the sound of nature, per instance, when a baby cries makes the sound, "wawa", thus it become the word for baby in the Aymara language, when a rock is struck with other rocks it produces the sound

"KALA" so it became the word for rock, the birds got their name by the sound they produced.

Aymara means "the remote language" or "distant time" (etymology comes from the Aymara, the words' jaya mara ', meaning' distant time ').

In 1603 the Jesuit Ludovico Bertonio in the 'Art of the Aymara language' [1] described the Aymara as' endowed with immense flexibility and capacity to accommodate neologisms, particularly adapted to handle abstract concepts, so much so that it is an artificial invention.

The Aymara language is based on a trivalent system of logic, the positive, the negative and the perhaps.

Emeterio Villamil de Rada, Bolivian scholar who spoke 32 languages, after traveling around the world, he came to the conclusion that the Aymara language is the oldest of the world.

(1800's)

The engineer Ivan Guzman de Rojas, discovered the Aymara language trivalent system then it helped him to invent the 'Atamiri' an universal translators. He used the Aymara as the matrix

for the software to perform the translation from one language to another. The trivalent system of the Aymara language has the ability to act as the larger container that fits it any other language in the world, but no other language is sufficiently broad and elastic enough to accommodate the Aymara. The work of Guzman de Rojas seems to give a livelihood to Ludovico Bertonio and Emeterio Villamil de Rada. (1980's)

The Trinity concept was present in every life of the ancient Amerikhans in math,religion and law.social structure.

What civilization did speak this sophisticated language? It was Tiwanaku. According to Arthur Posnansky research makes the site of Tiwanaku 12000 years old.

Edited May 18, 2012 by AMARUKHAN111666888

[cormac mac airt]

I could give you proof of humans presence around the central Andes region circa 250.000 years old.

Let's see it. And by someone qualified to make that determination, not some unqualified opinion from a blog or some such. And what group of 'human' are you claiming existed as that far back in time they weren't us (HSS)?

BTW 9000 BP (7000 BC) is well after the time that Native Americans migrated from Asia into the Americas. Belonging to mtDNA Haplogroups A2, B2, C1, D1, X2a and X2g.

cormac

Edited May 18, 2012 by cormac mac airt

[AMARUKHAN111666888]

There are not genetic links or people from the amerikas don't look like middle eastern, European, African or Asian.

About 4 years ago, I was reading a report from a British newspaper about the project to map the humans' genetic of the whole world. per request of the the newspaper reporter, the company made a genetic test to 5 people with everyday looks in the street of London; The 5 people that were picked randomly were two Europeans a male and female, a gentlemen from the west indies, a young lady from the north of Sahara and a young man from India. out of the 5 person, 3 came with gene type of native amerikas, the European Lady, the Gentlemen of West indies, and the young man of India.

Japanese Geneticists traced the Ainus' DNA ancient Japanense of the to ancient Peruvians.

That is all have for genetics,

About the looks of ancient Amerikhans to rest of the world I have plenty of pictures to show the resembles.