Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood [Part 2]

[The Puzzler]

Thanks Abe.

I was just reading up on some astronomy history and found this on Wiki, which I think is worthwhile to add here, just so we know that Bronze Age Europe still has a lot of secrets to spill yet...

In the last couple of decades our understanding of the prehistoric Europeans has been radically changed with the discoveries of ancient astronomical artifacts in Central Europe. Bronze Age Central Europeans had a sophisticated grasp of mathematics and astronomy. According to Berlin archaeologist Klaus Goldmann, "European civilization goes further back than most of us ever believed." ^[2]

Among these recent discoveries is the world's oldest observatory. Located in Germany, it is known as the Goseck circle, and discovered in 1991. The enclosure is one of hundreds of similar wooden circular Henges built throughout Austria, Germany, and the Czech Republic during a 200-year period around 4,900 BC. While the sites vary in size--the one at Goseck is around 220 feet in diameter--they all have the same features: A narrow ditch surrounds a circular wooden wall, with a few large gates equally spaced around the outer edge. While scholars have known about the enclosures for nearly a century, they were stumped as to their exact function within the Stroke-Ornamented Pottery culture (known by its German acronym, STK) that dominated Central Europe at the time. The Goseck Henge is currently the oldest official 'Solar observatory' in the world. On the winter solstice, the sun can be seen to rise and set through the Southern gates from the centre.

Goseck circle Germany 4900 BC

Being on the same latitude as Stonehenge means that 'astronomers' would have also benefited from viewing the extremes of the sun and moon at right angles to each other. It is also sitting on one of two unique latitudes in the world at which the full moon passes directly overhead on its maximum Zeniths. ^{[3] [4] [5]}

The Nebra sky disk Germany 1600 BC

The Nebra sky disk dates from 1600 BCE. Found in 1999, not far from the Goseck circle, it is one of the most important archaeological finds of the past century. It displays the world's oldest known concrete depiction of astronomical phenomena ^[6][7] and was used as an advanced astronomical clock.

According to astronomer Wolfhard Schlosser of the Ruhr University Bochum, the Bronze Age Europeans already knew what the Babylonians would describe a thousand years later.^[8]

Also in Germany is the Magdalenenberg moon calendar discovered in 2011, under the Royal Tomb at Magdalenenberg, in Germany’s Black Forest. It is the largest Hallstatt tumulus grave in central Europe, measuring over 320ft (100m) across and (originally) 26ft (8m) high. Its central grave was robbed in antiquity. More recent excavations have recovered the locations of numerous secondary burials placed around the edges of the mound and of various timber structures, including rows of wooden posts. There is nothing random about the secondary graves, which might be those of relatives or retainers, buried as they died during the years that followed their leader’s funeral. The order of the burials around the central royal tomb fits exactly the pattern of the constellations visible in the northern hemisphere at Midsummer in 618 BC, while the timber alignments mark the position not of the sunrise and sunset but of the moon, and notably the Lunar Standstill. It is the earliest and most complete example of a Celtic calendar focused on the moon, and that following Caesar’s conquest of Gaul, Gallic culture was destroyed and these types of calendar were completely forgotten in Europe, to be replaced by the Roman sun-based calendar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_astronomy

[Abramelin]

Yes, the Goseck circle:

http://www.unexplain...60#entry3392925

But nothing similar to an OLB type of 'citadel' ; that is a circular inclosure including houses, gardens, a watchtower/observatory with an 'eternal' fire, longhouses arranged around this tower in the form of a 6-spoked wheel. And all made of bricks.

EDIT:

This was Overwijn's representation:

Edited April 23, 2014 by Abramelin

[The Puzzler]

Yes, the Goseck circle:

http://www.unexplain...60#entry3392925

But nothing similar to an OLB type of 'citadel' ; that is a circular inclosure including houses, gardens, a watchtower/observatory with an 'eternal' fire, longhouses arranged around this tower in the form of a 6-spoked wheel. And all made of bricks.

EDIT:

This was Overwijn's representation:

Many of these citadels were described as being destroyed by the sea.

Frethorik and Wiljow description of the destruction of them... (Apollonias description is just prior to this, describing the same area with houses, citadel etc)

At the beginning of the Arnemaand (harvest month) the earth bowed towards the north, and sank down lower and lower. In the Welvenmaand (winter month) the low lands of Fryasland were buried under the sea. The woods in which the images were, were torn up and scattered by the wind. The following year the frost came in the Hardemaand (Louwmaand, January), and laid Fryasland concealed under a sheet of ice. In Sellemaand (Sprokkelmaand, February) there were storms of wind from the north, driving mountains of ice and stones. When the spring-tides came the earth raised herself up, the ice melted; with the ebb the forests with the images drifted out to sea. In the Winne, or Minnemaand (Bloeimaand, May), every one who dared went home. I came with a maiden to the citadel Liudgaarde. How sad it looked there. The forests of the Lindaoorden were almost all gone. Where Liudgaarde used to be was sea. The waves swept over the fortifications. Ice had destroyed the tower, and the houses lay heaped over each other. On the slope of the dyke I found a stone on which the writer had inscribed his name. That was a sign to me. The same thing had happened to other citadels as to ours. In the upper lands they had been destroyed by the earth, in the lower lands by the water. Fryasburgt, at Texland, was the only one found uninjured, but all the land to the north was sunk under the sea, and has never been recovered. At the mouth of the Flymeer, as we were told, thirty salt swamps were found, consisting of the forest and the ground that had been swept away. At Westflyland there were fifty. The canal which had run across the land from Alderga was filled up with sand and destroyed.

[Van Gorp]

In English you have "to bulge" which has the same meaning.

The "Fir Bolg" were the "people of the sacks".... But I think it simply meant "Belgae", because they had migrated from presentday Belgium to southern England, and then on to Ireland. Like the Chauci and Menapi, as I mentioned a year or so ago.

Btw, "fir" (Irish Gaelic) means "men".

Or the Fir Bolg could have been the Vuur Balg -> Fire Bellows

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellows

Infuriated, blowing on a fire of revolt (both root BLG)? See Belgae as a bond of uprising against dominance of Rome and Fir Bolg trying to get out of slavery.

[Van Gorp]

Or the Fir Bolg could have been the Vuur Balg -> Fire Bellows

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellows

Infuriated, blowing on a fire of revolt (both root BLG)? See Belgae as a bond of uprising against dominance of Rome and Fir Bolg trying to get out of slavery.

In that sense you can link Vir (men), Virile (potent) with energetic, furious -> having the fire to resist or passionate in endeavour.

[Van Gorp]

In that sense you can link Vir (men), Virile (potent) with energetic, furious -> having the fire to resist or passionate in endeavour.

More in that sense, there is also to find a meaning in flaming Flemmings (Vlamming-en).

[Abramelin]

Or the Fir Bolg could have been the Vuur Balg -> Fire Bellows

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellows

Infuriated, blowing on a fire of revolt (both root BLG)? See Belgae as a bond of uprising against dominance of Rome and Fir Bolg trying to get out of slavery.

The sword of the mythical hero Cuchullain was called Gae Bolg(a), and meant something like "belly sword" (because in those times it was kind of fun to see someone watching his bowels drop out...).

[Abramelin]

Many of these citadels were described as being destroyed by the sea.

Frethorik and Wiljow description of the destruction of them... (Apollonias description is just prior to this, describing the same area with houses, citadel etc)

At the beginning of the Arnemaand (harvest month) the earth bowed towards the north, and sank down lower and lower. In the Welvenmaand (winter month) the low lands of Fryasland were buried under the sea. The woods in which the images were, were torn up and scattered by the wind. The following year the frost came in the Hardemaand (Louwmaand, January), and laid Fryasland concealed under a sheet of ice. In Sellemaand (Sprokkelmaand, February) there were storms of wind from the north, driving mountains of ice and stones. When the spring-tides came the earth raised herself up, the ice melted; with the ebb the forests with the images drifted out to sea. In the Winne, or Minnemaand (Bloeimaand, May), every one who dared went home. I came with a maiden to the citadel Liudgaarde. How sad it looked there. The forests of the Lindaoorden were almost all gone. Where Liudgaarde used to be was sea. The waves swept over the fortifications. Ice had destroyed the tower, and the houses lay heaped over each other. On the slope of the dyke I found a stone on which the writer had inscribed his name. That was a sign to me. The same thing had happened to other citadels as to ours. In the upper lands they had been destroyed by the earth, in the lower lands by the water. Fryasburgt, at Texland, was the only one found uninjured, but all the land to the north was sunk under the sea, and has never been recovered. At the mouth of the Flymeer, as we were told, thirty salt swamps were found, consisting of the forest and the ground that had been swept away. At Westflyland there were fifty. The canal which had run across the land from Alderga was filled up with sand and destroyed.

Of course they would not be standing as though they were built yesterday, but at least of one or two the ruines should be found. They found the remnants of 7000 years old wooden houses in Elsloo (Netherlands). We find here lots of things thousands of years older than those citadels.

And.... In the upper lands they had been destroyed by the earth.

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Edited April 28, 2014 by Abramelin

[Van Gorp]

'Upper-lands' are not the 'Neder'-landen strictly spoken :-)

[Abramelin]

'Upper-lands' are not the 'Neder'-landen strictly spoken :-)

I know, and I wasn't suggesting anything like that.

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[Van Gorp]

Frethorik is describing events in 305 BC.

- "...with the ebb the forests with the images drifted out to sea".

- It is known that the tribe of the Morini, who lived on the North Sea coast, worshipped Nehalennia

- Cimbric Flood: Flood which according to tradition has caused

- the separation of Flanders and Zeeland

- breaking through the isthmus between Calais and Douvres

So, when combining one and another a conclusion could be

- Cimbric flood: 305 BC

- Worship Nehellenia: dates back at least to 3rd century BC

- Morini around Calais had statues made of Nehellenia (allready signs of influence of Magyars, contrary to earlier Frya's culture?)

- Statues taken by the sea when breaking through the street Calais-Dover, further into the sea

- Statues where unearthed in Zeeland many years later (seperation Flanders/Zeeland due to the same Cimbric flood)

If correct ->

Calais-Dover street and Flanders/Zeeland seperation in 305 BC !!!

[Abramelin]

Yes, the socalled Cymbric Flood was traditionally seen as the creator of the Strait of Dover and the North Sea.

We now know that that separation happened around 6250 BCE. Only "Dogger Island" (the later Dogger Bank) stayed above sea level for another 1000 years.

There have been other catastrophic floods in the North Sea area, like the one from around 1250 BCE which sent many northern European tribes on the move, the same ones who may have been one (or many) of the "Sea Peoples". It was a time of severe droughts, rivers falling dry (like the Rhine), earthquakes, volcanic eruptions (Iceland, Italy) and tsunamis (in the North Sea).

And... not a word about it in the OLB.

[Abramelin]

Yes, the socalled Cymbric Flood was traditionally seen as the creator of the Strait of Dover and the North Sea.

We now know that that separation happened around 6250 BCE. Only "Dogger Island" (the later Dogger Bank) stayed above sea level for another 1000 years.

There have been other catastrophic floods in the North Sea area, like the one from around 1250 BCE which sent many northern European tribes on the move, the same ones who may have been one (or many) of the "Sea Peoples". It was a time of severe droughts, rivers falling dry (like the Rhine), earthquakes, volcanic eruptions (Iceland, Italy) and tsunamis (in the North Sea).

And... not a word about it in the OLB.

Here is what Willem van Haren made of that event (post 719):

http://www.unexplain...05#entry4348097

And when you want to read about what happened in the 13th century BCE, read the 6th chapter of Gerhard Helm's "Die Kelten", available in Dutch and English.

You'll be amazed about his text being so very similar to the OLB's "How the bad time came". The problem is that what he describes happened some 900 years later than the OLB "event" of 2194 BCE.

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All we hear about that period (actually about a period a 100 years later) is that Ulysses arrived in the Low Lands. Not a single word about the Trojan War, not a single word about all the mayhem in Europe during the 13th century.

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Edited May 13, 2014 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

Now something that might 'please' the OLB believers....

Alewyn mentions the Pelasgians and the Philistines in his book about the OLB as being Fryans or descendents of the Fryans.

Well....

From Robert Graves, "The White Goddess - A historical grammar of poetic myth" (Faber and Faber Limited, London - Boston, 7th edition 1981. Fakenham Press), page 225/226 :

""(...) The Three Fates are a divided form of the Triple Goddess, and in Greek legend appear also as the Three Grey Ones and the Three Muses.

Thus, the first two statements made by Hyginus account for the 'thirteen letters' which, according to some authorities (Diodorus Siculus says) formed the 'Pelasgian alphabet' before Cadmus increased them to sixteen. Diodorus evidently means thirteen consonants, not thirteen letters in all which would not have been sufficient. Other authorities held that there had only been twelve of them. Aristotle, at any rate, gives the numbers of letters in t6he first Greek alphabet as thirteen consonants and five vowels and his list of letters corresponds exactly with the Beth-Luis-Nion, except that he gives Zeta for H-aspirate and Phi for F- but, in the case of Phi, at least, early epigraphic evidence is against him.

This is not the only reference to the Pelasgian alphabet. Eustathius, the Byzantine grammarian, quotes an ancient scholiast on Iliad, II, 841, to the effect that the Pelasgians were called Dioi ('divine') because they alone of all the Greeks preserved the use of letters after the Deluge - the Deluge meaning to the Greeks the one survived by Deucalion and Pyrrha. Pyrrha, 'the red one', is perhaps the Goddess-mother of the Puresati or Pulesati, the Philistines."

I don't think that I have to stress to similarity between "Pyrrha" and "Frya", knowing that the F (or PH ) and P, and L and R appear to be interchangable in the eastern part of the Mediterranean, several thousands of years ago..

Same thing with these "Puresati" or "Pulesati", the Egyptian "Peres" or ""Perset", one of the Sea Peoples....

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EDIT:

Arnold van der Merwe in his "Het bedrog dat Christendom heet" (The Deceit called Christianity), states on page 32 an 33 and in the note on page 28, that the "Pheres, Sakar & Danan", three of the Sea Peoples that invaded Egypt, were no one else but the Frisians, Saxons and Danes.

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Edited May 13, 2014 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

Nicoline van der Sijs, "Taal als mensenwerk: het ontstaan van het ABN" (2004 / about the origin of Standard Dutch, a 'must-read' for several of those participating in this thread)

Page 44:

"This Lower Saxonian (Nedersaksisch) was also called "Eastern" or "Overlandish"

(This is about the lingua franca as used during the Hanze, and still being used during the 16th century).

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From the OLB:

"Okke min svn

(...) vp wrlandisk pampyer wrskreven

(...) op overlandsch papier over(ge)schreven

Translated into English as "copied on foreign paper". But not just "foreign paper", but paper from "Overland", or Lower Saxony (DU: Nedersaksen).

I have mentioned this before, but I remembered Knul's remark about Stadermann, the German book printer and friend of Over de Linden, the owner of the MS.

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Edited May 13, 2014 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

In part I of this thread I said the Arabs from Spain called the Vikings "Maju" or magicians because they were fire worshippers ( and quoted from online source).

As you can see, the Arab "Maju" (maahdzyoo) is close to the OLB "Magi" (maahkhyee).

The OLB Fryans had a lot of action going on with their new neigbours in Scandinavia, the Magi (and Magyar is the plural of Magi, being nothing but the priest caste of the Finnar)

I think that during the 9th or 10th century CE some Arab from Spain asked some Englishman about the meaning of the name "Viking" (pronounced as 'Wiking'). That Englishman may have said that the word is related to the Old English "wicca", which means "sorcerer", "magician" or "wizard". Plural": "wiccans".

[Abramelin]

About the name "Nehalennia" which shows up in the OLB in a somewhat distorted form:

Nicoline van der Sijs, "Taal als mensenwerk: het ontstaan van het ABN"

Page 88:

"(...) and Verwer in 1708 considered the name as proof of the Dutch language being derived from Gothic, because according to him the name went back to Nekhelline, the Swedish name of Neptuninne, the wife of Nek or Neptune."

And many times a votive altar dedicated to Nehalennia was found/dredged up, statues of Neptune were found nearby. Often Neptune was also depicted on the sides of those votive altars or whatever it is called in English).

Edited May 13, 2014 by Abramelin

[Ott]

Thank you Abramelin for trying to rivive this thread.

I don't have much to say to it myself for now, but will posts some finds from the Chronicles of Eri soon (Gaal/ Gael - GOLA; Priests of Sydon; children of Feine (FINDA?)/ Phoenicians --- I haven't finished those 1000 pages yet).

From your posts, this was most interesting to me:

"(...) Eustathius, the Byzantine grammarian, quotes an ancient scholiast on Iliad, II, 841, to the effect that the Pelasgians were called Dioi ('divine') because they alone of all the Greeks preserved the use of letters after the Deluge (...)"

[Van Gorp]

About the name "Nehalennia" which shows up in the OLB in a somewhat distorted form:

Nicoline van der Sijs, "Taal als mensenwerk: het ontstaan van het ABN"

Page 88:

"(...) and Verwer in 1708 considered the name as proof of the Dutch language being derived from Gothic, because according to him the name went back to Nekhelline, the Swedish name of Neptuninne, the wife of Nek or Neptune."

And many times a votive altar dedicated to Nehalennia was found/dredged up, statues of Neptune were found nearby. Often Neptune was also depicted on the sides of those votive altars or whatever it is called in English).

And a nekker is kind of water-demon.

If there is a connection between nekker-in (neckheline), it wonders me because nekker seem to have some pejorative aspect, in contrast with Nehellenia who was worshipped.

[The Puzzler]

Yes, the socalled Cymbric Flood was traditionally seen as the creator of the Strait of Dover and the North Sea.

We now know that that separation happened around 6250 BCE. Only "Dogger Island" (the later Dogger Bank) stayed above sea level for another 1000 years.

There have been other catastrophic floods in the North Sea area, like the one from around 1250 BCE which sent many northern European tribes on the move, the same ones who may have been one (or many) of the "Sea Peoples". It was a time of severe droughts, rivers falling dry (like the Rhine), earthquakes, volcanic eruptions (Iceland, Italy) and tsunamis (in the North Sea).

And... not a word about it in the OLB.

Hmmm, not much a word of any catastrophes circa 1250BC in the history books either...

Where's your citation for this 1250BC extreme climatic change, the same year Troy is devasted, the same time the Greek Dark Ages starts to creep in?

Or, did you get it from a somewhat less-than-scientific website, which is the only one I can find doing a good wrap on what might have occurred in 1250BC if we look really hard and tie it up together...?

Certainly, these had been covered quickly or they would not have lasted, which suggests more than merely "a storm." This event was one of the factors that sent masses of people (including the Sea People) migrating, or more accurately, fleeing for their lives.

Actually, it's a very interesting site with lots of info about what might have occurred circa 1250BC.

http://www.livingcosmos.com/1250-1050BC.htm

The north of Europe was densely populated before this period of upheaval began. However, it lost most of its population in the 13th Century BC. The archeological evidence indicates an almost total lack of finds on the Danish islands and the Scandinavian mainland. Furthermore, this situation lasts for 350 years, and was the result of widespread forces unleashed against civilization. Archeologists and historians see the events culminating in a mass migration away from the region.

Geologists' observations in a number of areas indicate that a huge wave overcame Europe. The West Coast of Germany was flooded by such an enormous wave that banks of silt were created that today stretch 25 kilometers (15.5 miles) and up to 10 meters high (35 feet), even after more than 3,000 years of weathering. On the south coast of the North Sea another excavation disclosed what remained of a "catastrophe of annihilating force": "With all its violent power, the North Sea [struck so hard] that trees were laid flat by the first rush of the water. The tops of these uprooted trees always point to the east, which supports the assumption that the catastrophe was caused by a storm from the west."

Also about 2.5 meters (8.2 feet) below the waves near the island of Memmert, ancient dryland was discovered. There, underwater, and in addition to other things, "the hoof marks of cattle and horses were also visible and wagon tracks [were] clearly marked in the soil."

In the previous cycle, the Old Hittite Kingdom had been so devastated that it took a century for the New Kingdom to merely surface again. Here, as in nearby Troy, is the evidence of a vast, intense fire that brought about its sudden end. It has been theorized that this devastation was done by the Sea Peoples, yet the newcomers to the area were people known to the Greeks as Phrygians. Another group, known to the Assyrians as Mushki, joined them later. Scholars are divided on the origin of the Mushki; some say they are a different wave of the same people, while others say they came from a region east of the Black Sea. Others envision the Hittites leaving Asia Minor to move to Northern Syria, which is a move that is usually attributed to famine. This seems possible since Egypt dispatched grain to them in times of famine during the reign of Merneptah (1236-1223 BC). However, such an interpretation does not explain the fire that was fatal to it. Regardless of what transpired, areas were abandoned and the Hittite Empire went into the obscurity of a "Dark Age," again, and this time it was two centuries long.

Consider this description of the capital, Hattusa, recounted by its excavator:

"The city was destroyed in a great catastrophe. Wherever we set our spades, we found unmistakable signs of a devastating fire that had consumed everything that would burn, reduced brickwork to reddened masses of slag, and made limestone blocks explode in fragments. Sometimes one got the impression that the materials that happened to be in the buildings could never have been enough to raise such a blaze, such a heat; no thing, not a house, not a temple, not a hut escaped the work of destruction."

Palestine, too, shows "thick strata of burnt material" that could easily have occurred from ionizing radiation. Released into the atmosphere from the Earth (a fusion by-product), huge lightning-filled storms would be generated. Homer's works called them "thunderbolts" and he also attributes them to Zeus (Jupiter). An archeologist describes the character of the event that laid Palestine to waste: "These burnt strata are evidence of a major catastrophe which, shortly before the arrival of the Philistines in Palestine, destroyed the settlements of towns, such as Megiddo, Jericho, Lachish and others." As in so many other settlements, most devastation seems to have occurred around 1200 BC.

Both Syria and Palestine, as in other periods, are a picture of sheer chaos. For about three centuries (approximately 1200-900 BC) there are no writings, and the archeological evidence is unreliable for both places. The material evidence of disorder, and the change in the composition of the population were no less dramatic than that in Troy and Mycenae. Deserted, impoverished and demolished was the major city of Megiddo. The capital, Ugarit (Ras Shamra) was consumed by earthquakes, fire and famine. The Holy Bible says that Al Hazor and Jerusalem were also burnt to the ground (Joshua 8:28, & 11:11-13; Judges 1:8). These are but a few of the dozens of major cities that did not survive these times in this region alone. Both areas show signs of prosperity before their desolation; in fact, Palestine had just enlarged many of its towns. A stele erected by Pharaoh Merneptah tells the story: "Canaan is plagued by every evil. Ashkelon is carried off, Gezer taken, Yanoam is like that which is not, Israel is desolate, its seed is nought."

I often wonder if the whole story of Troy is just a metaphor for an event like this.

In Turkey, Troy was being mentioned in the Homeric epics, the Iliad and the Odyssey. Describing the reason for the charred remains of Troy is the following from the "Fifth Book" of the Iliad in which Jupiter is Zeus:

"Then terribly thundered the father of gods and men from on high; and from beneath did Poseidon cause the vast earth to quake, and the steep crests of the mountains. The lightning of great Zeus and his dread thunder, whenso it crasheth from heaven. [A] wondrous blazing fire. First on the plain was the fire kindled, and burned the dead, and all the plain was parched. Together then they clashed with a mighty din, and the wide Earth rang, and round about great heaven pealed as with a trumpet."

So yeah, where is mention? No idea, but do not see it as a reason to think it makes it a less truthful account of events at that time.

[NO-ID-EA]

....An interesting 26 pages ....Traditions connected with the pole shift of the early pliestocene.........W.Woefli and W Baltensperger.

Herodotus 5. vol 1.book 2. 142..............quoting the Egyptian priest.........." they say that the sun had moved 4 times from his accustomed place of rising , and where he now sets he had from thence twice had his risings , and from where he now rises had twice had his setting.

Pole Shift Event :Papyrus Ipuwer.......The land turns around as does a potters wheel, the towns are destroyed....Upper Egypt has become dry and all is in ruin...The residences overturned in a minute....The years of noise...There is no end to the noise .

"Geographically the pole moved in a spiral which started in Greenland , and ended in the Arctic Sea, the night skies , and the suns path moved. "The lands turned around" the climate changed, huge earthquakes followed on from each other, there was noise for years to follow.

The earth revolves West to East which makes it appear that the sun travels East to West........Up until circ the 7th C BC the dominant civilizations calenders

consisted of 360 days, only after the 7th C BC do most of them add days to their year......what happened to slow down the time it takes the earth to complete a circuit of the sun, was its speed of travel slowed down , or its distance to travel lengthened by distance away from the sun.

The story of the Ojibwa tribe of the American Algonquin peoples.....whose traditions they say go back to the American Ice Age, and who call themselves "the first people"

" Once long ago , Chimantou , the great spirit visited the Ojibwa tribe, who lived near the frozen lands, he warned the people of a dangerous star that was about to fall, and urged them to hurry to the bog , and to cover their bodies in the mud........most people did not listen, he is crazy they said , and paid no more attention, only a few hurried to the bog as suggested, before long, when the sun was high, the day suddenly grew brighter....the people looked up in panic and shouted "look a second sun is in the sky " the new star was growing larger, brighter and hotter as it hurtled towards them...it became so bright they had to shield their eyes.......

The people who had not covered themselves in mud ran for shelter in terror..........But it was too late.

http://www.archive.o...age/n0/mode/1up

Edited May 15, 2014 by NO-ID-EA

[Mario Dantas]

Geographically the pole moved in a spiral which started in Greenland , and ended in the Arctic Sea, the night skies , and the suns path moved. "The lands turned around" the climate changed, huge earthquakes followed on from each other, there was noise for years to follow.

Amazing description, Greenland wasn't in the Arctic, according to him!

It is completely correct, imo. The sun's apparent movement changed (meaning our own trajectory changed), continental drifting events, earthquakes, climate changes, etc... such aspects were referenced by Plato to have taken place during the Atlantis demise event.

Thanks a lot for that info!

M

[Abramelin]

Hmmm, not much a word of any catastrophes circa 1250BC in the history books either...

Where's your citation for this 1250BC extreme climatic change, the same year Troy is devasted, the same time the Greek Dark Ages starts to creep in?

Or, did you get it from a somewhat less-than-scientific website, which is the only one I can find doing a good wrap on what might have occurred in 1250BC if we look really hard and tie it up together...?

Certainly, these had been covered quickly or they would not have lasted, which suggests more than merely "a storm." This event was one of the factors that sent masses of people (including the Sea People) migrating, or more accurately, fleeing for their lives.

Actually, it's a very interesting site with lots of info about what might have occurred circa 1250BC.

http://www.livingcos...1250-1050BC.htm

<chop>

I often wonder if the whole story of Troy is just a metaphor for an event like this.

In Turkey, Troy was being mentioned in the Homeric epics, the Iliad and the Odyssey. Describing the reason for the charred remains of Troy is the following from the "Fifth Book" of the Iliad in which Jupiter is Zeus:

"Then terribly thundered the father of gods and men from on high; and from beneath did Poseidon cause the vast earth to quake, and the steep crests of the mountains. The lightning of great Zeus and his dread thunder, whenso it crasheth from heaven. [A] wondrous blazing fire. First on the plain was the fire kindled, and burned the dead, and all the plain was parched. Together then they clashed with a mighty din, and the wide Earth rang, and round about great heaven pealed as with a trumpet."

So yeah, where is mention? No idea, but do not see it as a reason to think it makes it a less truthful account of events at that time.

I thought I had posted it, but anyway, another source was Gerhard Helm's "Die Kelten" (The Celts). If you ever find an English edition, then read chapter 6.... It's amazing how similar that chapter is to the part of the OLB called "How the bad time came". It only happened a 1000 years later.

"Hmmm, not much a word of any catastrophes circa 1250BC in the history books either..."

Actually, it is written on the temple of Medinet Habu. You'll remember the "Sea Peoples". I had found an interesting line from that inscription, a long time ago. It said that many of these peoples had fleed their homelands which had been devasteded, turned upside down, laid waste, sank, and so on.

The other sources are the archeological and geological ones.

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If you want to find other sources, use the search bar, top right. Then enter "Medinet Habu" and further on enter my name as author.

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My point was that all this mayhem in the 13th century BCE was unknown in the 19th century, and thus not mentioned or even hinted at in the OLB. All we hear is that several decades later a guy called Ulysses showed up in the Low Lands looking for a lamp, hah.

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Edited May 20, 2014 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

And a nekker is kind of water-demon.

If there is a connection between nekker-in (neckheline), it wonders me because nekker seem to have some pejorative aspect, in contrast with Nehellenia who was worshipped.

Well, as you know, often a god will be demonized by those who conquer the ones believing in that god.

And yes, "nekker" has come up as a possible etymology for the name "Nehalennia"; I had just never heard of that Swedish goddess, the wife of Neptune.

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Edited May 20, 2014 by Abramelin

[Ott]

which flood does your blog refer to?

Interesting footnote in the Chronicles of Eri, book 2/2 (p.50):

"It is observable that the figure generally presented for an hostile invasion is a flood, as you may hare seen in divers passages in these Chronicles, and in the Dissertation. Which instances could be given five hundred fold, was it necessary."

Fragment to which the footnote referred (p.48):

"What if a messenger be sent to Daire, to drive back the waves that threaten the land?"

Links to downloadable PDFs of the two parts (both 500+ pages):

part 1

part 2

Edited May 21, 2014 by gestur