Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood [Part 2]

[Abramelin]

bastarður - icelandic

The Icelandic language does not accept loanwords.

Why would it borrow from the Franks anyway?

It was never conquered by them as we have been.

We were never conquered by the Americans either.

Now look at the number of American loanwords in the Dutch language.

[Ott]

We were never conquered by the Americans either.

Hell yes we were.

But we always took loanwords.

Not the Icelanders.

http://en.wikipedia....sm_in_Icelandic

"The first signs of the Icelanders’ pre-occupation with their mother tongue dates back to the mid-12th century..."

The concept of the 'basterd' (illegitimate child or mixed blood) must be much older than a 1000 years, so why would all of northern Europe adapt a Frankish word?

You are just stuck in your belief that the oldest source defines where a word originated.

Edited April 13, 2013 by gestur

[Abramelin]

Hell yes we were.

But we always took loanwords.

Not the Icelanders.

http://en.wikipedia....sm_in_Icelandic

"The first signs of the Icelanders’ pre-occupation with their mother tongue dates back to the mid-12th century..."

The concept of the 'basterd' (illegitimate child or mixed blood) must be much older than a 1000 years, so why would all of northern Europe adapt a Frankish word?

You are just stuck in your belief that the oldest source defines where a word originated.

We were??

=

And the word could have entered Old Norse before the Norse settled Iceland. You do know the Franks were around for some time, right?

[Ott]

A study of various words that might be etymologically related (some more obviously, others less).

SKÁM, SKÔM

shame - english

schamen - dutch

schämen - german

skamme - danish, norwegian

skämmas - swedish

skammast sín - icelandic

[037/12]

THA MUSKA FOLGATH THENE SÉJAR.

THA FOLKA HJARA GODA FORSTA.

THÉRVMBE ACHSTV TO BIJINNANDE

MITH THIN SELVA ALSA RÉN TO MÁKJANDE

THAT.STV THINNA BLIKKA IN ÀND UTWARD MÉI RJUCHTA

SVNDER SKÁMRÁD TO WERTHANDE TO FARA THIN AJN MOD.

[O-S p.55]

De musschen volgen den zaaijer,

de volken hunne goede vorsten,

daarom betaamt het u te beginnen

met u zelven alzoo rein te maken,

dat gij uwe blikken naar binnen en naar buiten moogt richten

zonder schaamrood te worden voor uw eigen gemoed.

The sparrows follow the sower,

and the people their good princes,

therefore it becomes you to begin

by rendering yourselves pure,

so that you may look within and without,

and not be ashamed [:shame-red] of your own conduct.

[106/08]

SKÁM.RÁD WÀRTH THEN MÀN

ÀN HI DRUPTE STOLKES HINNE

[O-S p.145]

De man werd schaamrood [werd de man]

en [hij] droop stil af.

The man blushed for shame [shame-red wereth the man],

and slunk away [silently].

[136/15]

VMB SKÔM TO VNKVMA

MOSTEN HJA HJARA ÀJEN BLOD VNKVMA

[O-S p.185]

Om de schaamte te ontkomen

moesten zij hun eigen bloed verzaken.

In order to hide the shame

they were obliged to renounce their own blood.

[to 'uncome' shame, they musted 'uncome' their own blood]

[137/01]

MITH DROVENESE IN VRDELVEN

OVERA FALXE SKÔM SINRA ALDRUM

GVNGER OMME DWÁLA

[O-S p.187]

Met droefenis overstelpt

over de valsche schaamte zijner ouders

ging hij omdwalen.

Overcome with sorrow

at the false shame of his parents,

he wandered about.

[137/08]

ALOMME HWÉR ER FORTH HINNE TÁCH

LÉRDI AN THA LJUDA

THÀT HJA NÉNE RIKA NER PRESTERA TOLÉTA MOSTON.

THÀT HJA HJARA SELVA HODE MOSTON

ÀJEN FALXE SKÔM.

THER ALLERWÉIKES KVAD DVAT AN THA LJAVDE.

[O-S p.187]

Alom waar hij voorts henen trok,

leerde hij aan de menschen

dat zij noch rijken noch priesters moesten toelaten;

dat zij zich moesten hoeden

tegen de valsche schaamte,

die allerwegen kwaad doet aan de liefde.

Wherever he went

he taught the people

not to tolerate rich men or priests,

and that they must guard themselves

against false shame,

which everywhere did harm to love and charity.

- - -

SKANTHA, SKÔNDA

shame - english

schande - dutch, german

skam - danish, swedish, norwegian

skömm - icelandic

[010/06]

SVNDER FRYDOM SEND ALLE OTHERA DÜGEDON.

ALLÉNA GOD VMBE JO TO SLÁVONA TO MÁKJANDE.

JVWE OFKVMSTE TO ÉVGE SKANTHA

[O-S p.17]

zonder vrijheid zijn alle andere deugden

alleen goed om u tot slaven te maken,

uwe afkomst tot eene eeuwige schande

Without liberty all other virtues

serve [are only good] to make you slaves,

and to disgrace [eternal shame of] your origin.

[078/27]

NÉIDAM RIKDOM BY THÀT VRBRUDE

ÀND VRBASTERDE SLACHT FÉR BOPPA DÜGED ÀND ÉRE JELDE.

SACH MÀN ALTOMET KNÁPA

THAM HJARA SELVA MITH RUMA RIKA KLÁTAR SÍRADON.

HJARA ALDRUM ÀND FÁMNA TO SKÔNDA

ÀND HJARA KUNNA TO SPOT.

[O-S p.109]

Naardien rijkdom bij het verwende

en verbasterde geslacht ver boven deugd en eere gold,

zag men altemet knapen,

die zich met wijde prachtige kleederen versierden,

hunne ouders en de maagden tot schande

en hunne sekse ten spot.

Because riches were more valued

by this lost and degenerate race than virtue or honour,

one sometimes saw boys

dressed in splendid flowing robes,

to the disgrace of their parents and maidens,

and to the shame of their own sex.

- - -

SKÀDA, SKÁDA

(note: in German "schade" is also used as in English: "what a shame!")

(noun: damage)

schade - dutch

schaden - german

skade - danish, norwegian

skador - swedish

skaði - icelandic

[020/04]

TILTHJU THA ÀFTER.KVMANDE NÉN SKÀDA NAVT NE LYDA NE MVGE

[O-S p.31]

opdat de nakomelingen geene schade lijden mogen

so that posterity shall find it uninjured [shall suffer no damage]

[033/13]

DÁHWILA WI TO DVANDE SEND EKKORUM TO SKÁDANE

[O-S p.49]

Terwijl wij bezig zijn elkander te schaden,

while you [we] are injuring each other [doing each other damage]

[060/08]

VSA AJN SÉ.KÀMPAR TO SKÁDNE

[O-S p.85]

tot schade van onze eigene zeelieden [tot schade]

to the loss [damage] of our [own] seafaring people

[099/05]

THÉRVMBE KÀN HJU WEL THA MÀNNISKA SKÁDA.

WR.ALDA NIMMER

[O-S p.137]

Daarom kan zij wel de menschen schaden,

maar Wralda nimmer.

therefore they may well be injurious to [damage] men,

but never to Wr-alda

[101/14]

ALLÉNA THÉRVMBE THÀT HJA.RA NAVT SKÁDA NE SKOLDE

[O-S p.141]

alleen opdat zij hun niet schaden zouden

[only] in order to save themselves [that they would not damage them]

[124/10]

SÉKUR SKOLDE VS THÀT NÉN SKÁDA NAVT DVA

[O-S p.171]

[zeker] dat zoude ons [dat] voorzeker geen schade doen

that surely could do us no harm

[135/02] !!! significant correction

ELLA MOSTE THJANJA

VMBE THA FORSTA ÀND PRESTERA JETA RIKER ÀND WELDIGER TO MÁKJANE

HJARA SELVA TO SÀDENE [:SKÀDENE]

[O-S p.183]

alles moest dienen,

om de vorsten en priesteren nog rijker en geweldiger te maken,

om zich te verzadigen [zichzelf tot schade].

everything must [had to] serve

to enrich and make more powerful the priests and the princes,

and to satisfy them [while damaging themselves].

[159/29]

ÉVEN BLÍD BRENGTH TÍD THA SKÁDLIKA KRUDA AN.T LJUCHT

[O-S p.217]

even gemakkelijk brengt de tijd de schadelijke kruiden aan het licht

so time brings to light the evil seed [damaging herbs]

- - -

SKÀNTHA, SKÀNDA (to damage, rape)

schenden, beschadigen - dutch

schaden - german

skade - danish, norwegian

skador - swedish

[026/22]

SA HWERSA THÉR ÉNMAN IS.

THÉR.MÉTA ÀRG THAT HI VSA SWETSAR BIRAWATH.

MORTH.DEDUN DVAT. HUSA BARNTH.

MAN.GÉRTHA SKÀNTH

HOK THÀT.ET SY. THÀT ÀRG SY.

[O-S p.39]

Zoo wanneer daar een man is

dermate boos, dat hij onze naburen berooft,

doodslagen pleegt, huizen in brand steekt,

maagden schendt,

wat het ook zij dat boos is,

If [there is] any one

should be so [as] wicked as to commit robbery [rob our neighbors],

[does] murder, arson [burns houses],

rape[-s girls],

or any other crime [whatever it is, that is bad],

[033/15]

KVMTH.ET NIDIGE FOLK FINDA.S

MITH HJARA FALSKA PRESTERUM

JVW HÁWA TO RÁWANDE

JVWA TOGHATERA TO SKÀNDANE.

JVWA SÉDA TO VRDVA

ÀND TO THA LESTA KLÀPPATH HJA SLÁVONA.BANDA

OM JAHWELIKES FRYA HALS

[O-S p.49]

komt het nijdige volk Findas

met zijne valsche priesteren

om uwe have te rooven,

uwe dochteren te schenden,

uwe zeden te verderven,

en ten laatste sluiten zij slavenbanden

om een ieders vrijen hals.

the spiteful Finda's people

with their false priests

come and attack your ports [steal your goods],

ravish your daughters,

corrupt your morals,

and at last throw the bonds of slavery

over every freeman's neck.

[073/21]

ÉN SALT.ÁTHE HÉDE AL EN BUKJA SKÀND

[O-S p.103]

Een soldaat had reeds een meisje geschonden

one [soldier] had already ravished a girl

= = =

possibly related (???) :

SKÁDE

shadow, shade - english

skaad - frisian

schaduw - dutch

schatten - german

skygge - danish, norwegian

skugga, skadda - swedish

skuggi - icelandic

skodde (mist, fog) - norwegian

sceadu - old-english

scāth - old-irish

skado, scato - old-saxon, old-highgerman

skótos (darkness) - greek

[138/18]

VRAL HWÉRER GVNG

FOLGADON HIM SINA LÉTHA

LIK SINE SKÁDE NÉI

[O-S p.189]

overal waar hij ging

volgden hem zijne vijanden

als zijne schaduw

wherever he went [...]

his enemies followed him

like his shadow

[Abramelin]

From

Altnordisches Etymologisches Wörterbuch - Jan de Vries (2000), 374 pages.

(Old Norse Etymological Dictionary)

http://www.scribd.co...2000-Compressed

< afrz = Old Frankish/French

"saumsattel" = pack-saddle

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Edited April 13, 2013 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

That name must originally have had a meaning too.

I'd rather think that this name is derived from BAST too.

I'd like to see you derive the Old Egyptian Bastet from the Old Germanic bast.

Bastet is the name commonly used by scholars today to refer to a feline goddess of ancient Egyptian religion who was worshipped at least since the Second Dynasty. Her name is also spelled Bast, Baast, Ubasti and Baset.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastet

The Second Dynasty of ancient Egypt (notated Dynasty II) is often combined with Dynasty I under the group title Early Dynastic Period. It dates approximately from 2890 to 2686 BC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_dynasty_of_Egypt

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Edited April 13, 2013 by Abramelin

[Ott]

Edit in red:

[010/06]

SVNDER FRYDOM SEND ALLE OTHERA DÜGEDON.

ALLÉNA GOD VMBE JO TO SLÁVONA TO MÁKJANDE.

[O-S p.17]

Without liberty [freedom] all other virtues

serve [are only good] to make you slaves,

[NO-ID-EA]

BASTET........Stephen quirke (ancient egyptian religions ) explains Bastet to mean "she of the ointment jar " .. her name is written with the heiroglyph of the "ointment jar "as the goddess of protection against contagious diseases and evil spirits , she gave protective ointments ......when Anubis became god of enbalming , bastet who was goddess of ointments was thought to be his wife , and was also assoc with perfumes , having the name Perfumed Protectoress.

BASTIS......is an ANCIENT Indian Ayurvedic medical process for the introduction of medical oils, and herbal concoctions , sometimes mixed with milk , to treat mostly womens vaginal/urinary and anal infections , this natural oil therapy then used heat to sweat (called swedan therapy ) infections out of patients , the many oils used were obtained from the flowers , leaves and wood of various trees and plants. with Anuvasana bastis , uttar bastis and mutrashaya bastis being the most common.

BAST......comes from the bark of the Lime or Linden Tree ,the innermost fibre of which can be soaked in water for about a month to make a very strong fibre.... the dried flowers are sweet and sticky , and the fruit is sweet and mucilaginous , and they contain a volatile aromatic oil , these can be used in medical preparations for astringents and diuretics , they are also antioxidents and various tannins which can be used as anti-spasmodics and sedatives, the wood can also be used for liver and gall bladder complaints.............the double flowering species being very aromatic are also used in the production of many perfumes , scented oils , and rubbing lotions

according to OLB the fris were in India very early on , i think there are many jewish connections , and we know the jews were in egypt very early on, if the OBL is true the connection between the Bast , Bastis , Bastet is easier to make than if the OBL is false , and the fris would never have heard of Bastet and Bastis .

Edited April 13, 2013 by NO-ID-EA

[Mario Dantas]

Hello,

Could the word bast(ard) have anything to do with baston, in Old French and then probably meaning simply a phallic symbol, in the sense that the male genitalia could be compared to a cane or a stick? A bast from where "b*******s" come from...

Nevertheless, i think the OLB is talking (although not explicitly) about a different ancient sexual behavior, which ceased to function properly, supposedly, after Atland disappeared. Likewise, according to the BS, there were strict rules for conceiving babies.

They even had a especial time of the year to conceive, at festivalia (in the month of May, and thus the erection of the Maypole in the May Day holiday). The words (Fest i valia), according to the BS meant a party (fest) where women chose their "valiant" ones, the letter i standing for genitals...

val·iant

/ˈvalyənt/

Adjective

Possessing or showing courage or determination: "a valiant warrior".

Synonyms

brave - gallant - courageous - valorous - doughty

Curiously, the BS started to become known outside the Bockstrom family (according to IB, at Rhea Boxstrom's demand, in 1984) the moment when women, once again, had the freedom to chose the father of their child...

Regards,

Mario Dantas

Edited April 14, 2013 by Mario Dantas

[NO-ID-EA]

Hello,

Could the word bast(ard) have anything to do with baston, in Old French and then probably meaning simply a phallic symbol, in the sense that the male genitalia could be compared to a cane or a stick? A bast from where "b*******s" come from...

Nevertheless, i think the OLB is talking (although not explicitly) about a different ancient sexual behavior, which ceased to function properly, supposedly, after Atland disappeared. Likewise, according to the BS, there were strict rules for conceiving babies.

They even had a especial time of the year to conceive, at festivalia (in the month of May, and thus the erection of the Maypole in the May Day holiday). The words (Fest i valia), according to the BS meant a party (fest) where women chose their "valiant" ones, the letter i standing for genitals...

val·iant

/ˈvalyənt/

Adjective

Possessing or showing courage or determination: "a valiant warrior".

Synonyms

brave - gallant - courageous - valorous - doughty

Curiously, the BS started to become known outside the Bockstrom family (according to IB, at Rhea Boxstrom's demand, in 1984) the moment when women, once again, had the freedom to chose the father of their child...

Regards,

Mario Dantas

nice post Mario , i think you are on the right track there , also that the many mentions in OLB of the two letters IO ,or io is used as a god explained in the same way as a lingham and a yoni, and the word low , and/ or lov also use these two letters , that then makes you wonder about jove etc.etc .

[NO-ID-EA]

Hello,

Curiously, the BS started to become known outside the Bockstrom family (according to IB, at Rhea Boxstrom's demand, in 1984) the moment when women, once again, had the freedom to chose the father of their child...

Regards,

Mario Dantas

Please pardon my ignorance but what is the BS , and the IB

Edited April 14, 2013 by NO-ID-EA

[Abramelin]

Please pardon my ignorance but what is the BS , and the IB

Bock Saga / Ior Bock.

.

Edited April 14, 2013 by Abramelin

[Mario Dantas]

nice post Mario , i think you are on the right track there , also that the many mentions in OLB of the two letters IO ,or io is used as a god explained in the same way as a lingham and a yoni, and the word low , and/ or lov also use these two letters , that then makes you wonder about jove etc.etc .

Thanks! just read Lancelot wedded Guinevere in May...

http://en.wikipedia....lls_of_the_King

For thus it chanced one morn when all the court,

Green-suited, but with plumes that mocked the may,

Had been, their wont, a-maying and returned,

That Modred still in green, all ear and eye,

Climbed to the high top of the garden-wall

To spy some secret scandal if he might,

Idylls of the King : Guinevere, Alfred Lord Tennyson 1859

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Day

And that is perhaps the reason for the word Holiday, a (w)holy day for conception? According to IB's logic within the rot sound system, when you put P (pole) into one ring O, you get Q, which stands for Quadrat, the symbol for mathematics, thus the order O, P, Q... in the Alphabet.

Maibaum Ostfriesland

http://en.wikipedia....riesland967.jpg

Regards,

Mario Dantas

Edited April 14, 2013 by Mario Dantas

[Abramelin]

nice post Mario , i think you are on the right track there , also that the many mentions in OLB of the two letters IO ,or io is used as a god explained in the same way as a lingham and a yoni, and the word low , and/ or lov also use these two letters , that then makes you wonder about jove etc.etc .

Funny you say that, because -io- only shows up exactly ONCE in the OLB: in " biorloge".

And the OLB "JO" means "je" in Dutch and "you" in English.

[Abramelin]

BASTET........Stephen quirke (ancient egyptian religions ) explains Bastet to mean "she of the ointment jar " .. her name is written with the heiroglyph of the "ointment jar "as the goddess of protection against contagious diseases and evil spirits , she gave protective ointments ......when Anubis became god of enbalming , bastet who was goddess of ointments was thought to be his wife , and was also assoc with perfumes , having the name Perfumed Protectoress.

BASTIS......is an ANCIENT Indian Ayurvedic medical process for the introduction of medical oils, and herbal concoctions , sometimes mixed with milk , to treat mostly womens vaginal/urinary and anal infections , this natural oil therapy then used heat to sweat (called swedan therapy ) infections out of patients , the many oils used were obtained from the flowers , leaves and wood of various trees and plants. with Anuvasana bastis , uttar bastis and mutrashaya bastis being the most common.

BAST......comes from the bark of the Lime or Linden Tree ,the innermost fibre of which can be soaked in water for about a month to make a very strong fibre.... the dried flowers are sweet and sticky , and the fruit is sweet and mucilaginous , and they contain a volatile aromatic oil , these can be used in medical preparations for astringents and diuretics , they are also antioxidents and various tannins which can be used as anti-spasmodics and sedatives, the wood can also be used for liver and gall bladder complaints.............the double flowering species being very aromatic are also used in the production of many perfumes , scented oils , and rubbing lotions

according to OLB the fris were in India very early on , i think there are many jewish connections , and we know the jews were in egypt very early on, if the OBL is true the connection between the Bast , Bastis , Bastet is easier to make than if the OBL is false , and the fris would never have heard of Bastet and Bastis .

Most of the times the "bastar.ds" in the OLB are nothing but people of 'mixed blood'. Example:

Tha Fhonysjar send en bastred folk, hja send fon Fryas blod aend fon Findas blod aend fon Lyda his blod.

S: The Phœnicians are a bastar.d people of the blood of Frya, Finda, and Lyda.

Several other times it is used in a derogatory way:

6. Sâhwersa thêr aemman among jo fvnden waerth, thêr sin aejn frydom vrsellath, tham-n-is navt fon jvw folk: hi is en horning mith basterd blod.

S: 6. If ever it should happen that one of your people should sell his freedom, he is not of you, he is a bastar.d.

1. Hwa en ôtheris hvs ut nid thene râde hôn anstekt nis nên Fryas, hi is en horning mith basterde blod.

S: 1. If any man sets fire to another’s house, he is no Frisian, he is a bastar.d.

"Horning" also means 'bastar.d. I think the complete expression is "hoerenjong" (s.o.a.b.)....

http://koeblergerhar...eswbhinw.html

And for those who can read Dutch, enjoy:

http://taaldacht.nl/.../09/09/hornung/

But I see no connection with bark, or cats, or ointment jar, or medicinal oil, and whatnot.

.

Edited April 14, 2013 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

And that is perhaps the reason for the word Holiday, a (w)holy day for conception? According to IB's logic within the rot sound system, when you put P (pole) into one ring O, you get Q, which stands for Quadrat, the symbol for mathematics, thus the order O, P, Q... in the Alphabet.

Regards,

Mario Dantas

The Bock Saga is much worse than the OLB.

The OLB narrative is not insane, it could - in theory - even be plausible, in a way.

I can't say the same for the Bock Saga. It's the product of a delusional guy with fantasies of grandeur.

[NO-ID-EA]

then you are not using your imagination ,,,,,,Bastet was also a sex and fertility goddess , her festivals were full of drunkenness and sensuality , they were probably bacchic , orgiastic ................Bastis was probably not only to cure womens vaginal problems , it was probably also a service to treat sexually contracted diseases , and likely unwanted pregnancys............and probably the oils of the lime/linden tree had an astringent /diuretic nature that could cure the after- effects of attending Bastet type orgiastic festivals ......bluntly... trying to prevent the birth of babies conceived out of wedlock/b*******

Bast is also a Wiccan Goddess , whom they honored at Samhain , otherwise known as Halloween , November the 1st in the Northern Hemisphere , and May the 1st in the Southern Hemisphere . the name comes it is thought from either Celtic " Sow-en" or Gaelic "Saem- huin" summers end .

When the Catholic church came to these parts , they chose pagan days of worship to hold their festivals , to compel the people to celebrate catholic festivals and not be able to attend the pagan ones .they chose christmas day as the catholic festival rather than let pagans worship the first day that the days start to get longer again . and likewise Samain , was re-designated All-Saints day by the church , the day on which you celebrated to all the saints that had not had a specific day nominated to them .this became All-Hallowed day, and because some people counted a new day as starting when the sun went down , then all-hallows day started with all-hallowed -eve , and this got shortened to halloween.

i still think wiccandlik or wichandlik in OLB could refer to those that follow the wiccan religion

PS : There are 8 Sabats in the wiccan wheel of the year .

Edited April 14, 2013 by NO-ID-EA

[Abramelin]

The earliest AE mentioning of Bastet was around the 30th century BCE, many ages before Nep Teunis said he wanted to go work again for the Egyptian King.

NO, I do use my imagination: you should check the "Doggerland" thread.

But I used archeological finds to fabricate my fantasy, not mere words.

[Abramelin]

i still think wiccandlik or wichandlik in OLB could refer to those that follow the wiccan religion

PS : There are 8 Sabats in the wiccan wheel of the year .

That word has NOTHING to do with 'wiccan'. God, don't you know how to search part -1- of this thread??

"Wiccan" is a 20th century invention.

[NO-ID-EA]

The earliest AE mentioning of Bastet was around the 30th century BCE, many ages before Nep Teunis said he wanted to go work again for the Egyptian King.

NO, I do use my imagination: you should check the "Doggerland" thread.

But I used archeological finds to fabricate my fantasy, not mere words.

I was saying you are not using you imagination in this instance , not that you dont have one !! i am not sure i will live long enough to read all thread one and the Doggerland thread , and all this thread before i joined...........you are in an exceedingly bad mood today

[Abramelin]

I was saying you are not using you imagination in this instance , not that you dont have one !! i am not sure i will live long enough to read all thread one and the Doggerland thread , and all this thread before i joined...........you are in an exceedingly bad mood today

Huh?? My mood is very ok.

And the Doggerland thread is a mere 50+ pages long. Peanuts compared to this thread (part -1 and -2- ).

[NO-ID-EA]

From Layamons Brut - Chronicles of Britain.. Book 2

5 Kings came to court to plight their troth (treothen iplihte ) and pay their yearly Tribute for goods to the new king Constance , who was a son of the king of Bretagne ,whos ancestor was king Canaan ,Constance was a Benedictine monk before it was agreed he could be un-hooded and allowed to become Brutaines King .

they were the:- king of Norwaeze ( Norweie ) Desemone King (Dene Marche )King of Rusie ( Russie ) King of Gutlonde ( Scotlond ) King of Frise ( Frisye )

Edited April 14, 2013 by NO-ID-EA

[Ott]

I can't say the same for the Bock Saga.

He can not say one sensible word about the Bock Saga.

It's the product of a delusional guy with fantasies of grandeur.

Translation: "I do not know, nor want to know".

Time will humble him.

The subject is too big for this thread (and this forum).

[Ott]

they were the:- king of Norwaeze ( Norweie ) Desemone King (Dene Marche )King of Rusie ( Russie ) King of Gutlonde ( Scotlond ) King of Frise ( Frisye )

Interesting. Does it say more, like when this was and what their names were?

[Abramelin]

He can not say one sensible word about the Bock Saga.

Translation: "I do not know, nor want to know".

Time will humble him.

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So you believe in that one too, eh?

Why am I not surprised?